ML20054A743
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| Site: | Shoreham File:Long Island Lighting Company icon.png |
| Issue date: | 04/13/1982 |
| From: | Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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JUDGE BRENNER:
Good evening.
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I'm sorry we are a little late.
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Problems with the electrical equipment.
4 My name is Lawrence..Brenner.
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11 Carpenter on my left, and Judge Peter A. Morris on my right.
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12 Judge Carpenter holds Doctorate and Master's degrees in 5
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22 JUDGE BRENNER:
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pause for these interruptions people will not have the oppor-24 tunity to speak.
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We can continue to delay while people from the
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who wish to present oral or written statements or both.
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Regulatory Commission Staff, or Suffolk County.
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1 With that purpose in mind, it will be most helpful f')
2 to us and therefore to you when you speak, if you regard this s-3 meeting as the adjunct to the legal proceeding which it is.
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facts will be more valuable to us than generalized statements.
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7:o 10 Tomorrow night we will be at the County's Legislative E
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In addition, as 22 I mentioned, you may present written statements tonight.
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JUDGE BRENNER:
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written statement to the Secretary of the United States Nuclear R
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Regulatory Commission in Washington, D. C. at Zip Code 20555.
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There was a partial answer, and I think a bondified 22 r~s attempt to resolve the dispute will solve it.
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structured along the lines that the contention is structured;
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Cohallan, who you all know is the Suffolk County Executive.
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9 MR. PETER COHALLAN:
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5 18 as a community to make certain that the Shorham Plant is liscenced E
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20 community which has learned the lessons of Three Mile Island 21 and intend to take every reasonable step to insure that a 22 nuclear accident does not happen here.
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in quality assurance and control requires a fresh and independent
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Just a few hours ago, the Suffolk County Legislature R
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physical inspection of the Shoreham Plant.
This action under-zo 10 scores the unified resolve of the County's elected leaders to E
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12 Tonight, at the conclusion of my statement, I shall 5
13 enthusiastically sign Resolution No. 1319.
I ask that O~' $14 copies of this Resolution, the related Resolution No. 1404, 2
15 and the related sense of the Legislature's Resolution be made 5
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ness in Suffolk County.
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20 topography and demography mandate both Suffolk County's leaders 21 and the NRC to proceed cautiously and without rushing to any 22 conclusions on emergency planning and preparedness.
23 The County has embarked on a planning effort with 24 the Consultants on national reputation.
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have designated my Deputy County Executive as Chairman of the
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2 Steering Committee to oversee development of the County's Emer-3 gency Plan.
We are committed to peritting the Shoreham Plant
{ 4 to operate only if the safety of the residents.of Suffolk e 5 County, including those in the East end, will not be compromised R9 6 in any way if an accident were to happen here. (Applause.) R 7 Thirdly, we ask that on each of the serious contentio ns M 8 8 in this proceeding, that the NRC look only to the evidence of d d 9 record in judging whether to license the Shoreham Plant. This [g 10 meeting is no place to attend to collateral questions of Utility 3 E 11 costs or administrative convenience or any other matter that g 12 does not touch squarely on the health and safety of our County's 5 13 population. h 14 Finally, I remain concerned with the Licensing Board's C 15 adherence to a hearing schedule that seems keyed to an arbitrary E j 16 deadline rather than exsclusively to the dictates of due process. e d 17 Suffolk County expects the Board to guarantee the County's right 5 18 to a fair hearing procedureally and substantively, just as the E 19 g County expects to live up to its own duty to live and participate n 20 forthrightly in accordance with the Board's rules. We are par-21 ticipating this proceeding to make certain that chance alone 22 O does not decide the safety of Suffolk County's residents. J 23 We ask that the Board be rigorous in its analysis 24 and fair in its judgment. We are skeptical because of what we O 25l have seen and heard about other NRC proceeding where intervenors l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
538 I have been allegedly denied their fair day in Court, and we are. O 2 aetermiaea to mexe sure enet due grooess is mot 1ose aere im 3 Suffolk County. O 4 rue =x vou verv muoa- <^getause > e 5 h 6 a w a j 8 e ci 9 io G 10 s j 11 a: y 12 s Oi' E 14 W 2 15 W j 16 us 6 17 m b 18 is" 19 8n 20 21 22 l 23 l l 24 l O 25 ' l l i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. l
539 I JUDGE BRENNER: Thank you, Mr. Cohallan. () 2 Next we will hear from Mr. Allen. Is Mr. Allen 3 ready? After Mr. Allen we are going to hear from Mr. Blass ( ') 4 and then Mr. Prospect. I'm goi'ng to call a few names off 5 g so that people can get ready and step up next. 9 6 Mr. Allen? R
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Thank you. My name is Wayne Allen. 8 8 7 m Deputy Supervisor of the Town of Southampton. I am d =; 9 here this evening representing Supervisor, Martin Lang and !F 10 the members of the Town Board of the Town of Southampton, o = 5 II who are unable to appear because of a previously scheduled B f I2 Town Board meeting. S (~N 5 13 On behalf of the Town Board and the residents \\) E 14 g of the Town of Southampton, we appreciate this opportunity x C 15 b to address our concerns directly to the Licensing Board. For x E I0 a number of years, Southamptom's elected officials and residents e h I7 have been greatly concerned about the safety of nuclear power I x 18 and the wisdom of locating nuclear plants on eastern Long H I9 Island. Several years ago, the Town of Southamptom intervened n 0 in the New York State Public Service Commission's hearings i 21 on LILCO's two proposed nuclear reactors at Jamesport, on 22 (, the north fork of Long Island. The Town of Southamptom (- l 23 l opposed the Jamesport nuclear plants, because they were not i 24 I l needed to meet Long Island's future energy demands and because 3 l %) 25 l the siting of two large nuclear reactors on the north fork i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
540 1 Presented unacceptabled risks to the residents of Long Island. r' 2 I might also add that in veiw of the substantial economic U) 3 troubles that have plagued the Shoreham Plant, the Jamesport (] 4 Plants appeared to be a very bad economic bargain as well. %/ e 5 Southamptom Town Officials and residents are b 6 equally concerned about LILCO's Shoreham nuclear plant. Like e Rg 7 the rest of the coutnry, we were sutnned by the near disaster Ml 8 at Three Mile Island Unit 2 in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. d d 9 Nuclear Regulatory Commission to become more diligent in its g 10 licesning and safety review of the nuclear plants in the future. E 5 11 In view of present developments concerning the licensing of g 12 Shoreham, we are far from convinced that that has happened. 5 d 13 As this Board is undoubtedly aware, the President's CE) E14 Commission on the accident at Three Mile Island, headed by 5e 2 15 John Kemeny, was deeply troubled by the NRC's licensing process 5 y 16 and the overall standard of safety applied to nuclear plants. W g 17 We share those concerns. As the Kemeny Commission stated E 18 in the beginning of its report to the President: E 19 "To prevent nuclear accidents as serious as Three g n 20 Mile Island, fundamental changes will be necessary l 21 in the organization, procedures, and practices - 22 and above all - in the attitudes of the Nuclear 23 Regulatory Commission and, to the extent that l 24 the institutions we investigated are typical, [~) 25 ' of the nuclear in,dustry." ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
541 1 A number of developments concerning the licensing }} 2 hearings for Shoreham suggest to us that the warnings of the 3 Kemeny Commission have been ignored. We are particularly r~S 4 concerned that the NRX may not intend to take a careful look V e 5 at the numerous safety issues raised by the Suffolk County E9 3 6 and citizen groups which have intervened in the Shoreham hearings R 7 Those parties have identified literally dozens of critical X] 8 safety concerns which may take many months to analyze fairly. Od 9 However, it seems to us that the Commission and the Licensing 7:o 10 Board are determined to rush to a decision by the end of this 3 ) 11 summer whether or not that provides sufficient time to investi-B j 12 gate each of these issues. On behalf of the residents of S 13 gs g Southamptom, we wish to stress the importance of a careful, \\_) l 14 deliberative investigation by this Board and if that requires 2 15 a more lengthy or deliberative hearing process, that additional 8 y 16 time must be taken. A b^ 17 Perhaps no single safety issue so affects the 18 residents of the east end as does the issue of evacuation. E 19 g To our knowledge, there is no nuclear plant in the country n 20 which is sited in an area with the unique geographic configur-21 ation of eastern Long Island. 22 The accident at Three Mile Island dramatized the 23 need for effective emergency planning and in particular, the 24 need to develop a plan to evacuate residents in the event ) 25 ;' of a serious nuclear accident. We are aware that the current ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
c 542 1 NRC regulations generally provide that evacuation should be (~} 2 planned out to a distance of 10 miles from a nuclear reactor. ~j 3 However, we cannot belive that those general regulations had 4 [} the Shoreham site in mind when.they were developed. m 5 Our concern is obvious. If a serious accident E9 6 were to occur at Shoreham and evacuation was required, those R d 7 of us who live east of the Shoreham plant would only have Z 8 8 one direction in which we could travel - towards New York d q 9 City and through the 10 mile emergency planning zone. Simply zo 10 stated, at Three Mile Island, the Commission itself was 11 considering evacuation of out to 20 miles. If there is any B j 12 chance of evacuation of people east of Shoreham and outside 5 13 the 10 mile emergency planning zone would be necessary, that fT (/ l 14 contingency must be addressed at this time. If the County g 15 and the NRC cannot demonstrate the feasibility of evacuating x j 16 residents who live east of Shoreham, then Shoreham should e d 17 not be permitted to operate. E { 18 The Town Board of the Town of Southamptom has E 19 g unanimously passed a resolution calling upon Suffolk County n 20 and the Federal Government to include the Town of Southampton 21 in any evacuation plans that are developed for Shoreham. A 22 copy of that resolution has been submitted to the Commission 23 and to this Board and we understand that it has been made 24 a part of the record of this proceeding. The Town of Southampton O 25 l intends to aggressively pursue the safety of its residents ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
543 i on the evacuation issue and we sincerely hope that this Board h 2 Perceives our concerns and takes appropriate action during 3 the licensing hearings. O 4 (^" '"er "$ r "" " " er" ' "r* e 5 and to our residents involves the quality of construction U 8 6 at Shoreham and the need for a full physical inspection of e 7 Shoreham's critical safety systems. During the past several 8 years, we have been literally bombarded with disclosures of r)c 9 poor construction practices and poor management at the Shoreham vi h 10 plant. Most recently, Long Island's daily newspaper, Newsday, 5 s 11 presented a 7 part expose on Shoreham's poor safety record d 12 and its poor management practices. 3o n d 13 We applaud the recent stand taken by the new NRC dS E 14 chairman, Nunzio Palladion. calling for independent verification 5 a: 2 15 of the qualify of construction and design at nuclear plants E g 16 throughout the country. .f there ever was a plant in need us 17 of a detailed design and construction review and a detailed 5 l;i 18 physical inspection, Shoreham is such a plant. 5" 19 To date, we are not aware that the NRC has required 8n 20 such an independent audit and physical inspection for Shoreham. 21 The recent problems which have surfaced at the Diablo Canyon l P ant at California underscore the serious safety defects 22 23 that may exist in other plants around the country but which 24 may go undiscovered unless strong action is taken by the NRC. 25 The Town of Southampton whole-heartedly supports, ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
544 1 initiatives taken by the Suffolk County Legislature calling (]) 2 for a full physical inspection and we urge this Board and 3 the Commission to require such a detailed independent audit (~Jl 4 and physical inspection for Shoreham. u e 5 There are literally dozens of other safety and Mn 6 economic concerns pertaining to Shoreham which I could recite e Rg 7 for the Board's consideration, but I believe that the numerous 3 8 8 safety contentions submitted by the intervenors in the Shoreham ti dc 9 Proceeding address the vast majority of Southampton Town's 10 concerns. The residents of the Town of Southampton and their E 5 11 elected officials feel very strongly that Shoreham must be B d 12 subjected to the most rigorous safety review possible and 3a 13 we will be carefully monitoring the NRc licensing hearings l 14 to see that this accomplished. The health and safety of the 2 15 People of Long Island are our paramount concern and we expect g 16 this Board to give them no less serious attention. M g 17 Thank you. E 18 JUDGE BRENNER: Thank you, Mr. Allen. You said E 19 you are interested in monitoring the hearings. It looks like 8n 20 we are going to have many, many days of extensive hearings, 21 mostly here in Riverhead and you and the other Officials of 22 Southampton are, of course, welcome to attend. l () 23 MR. ALLEN: Thank you. I have three statements 24 up there. 7-(/ l 25 I JUDGE ALLEN: Mr. Blass, a member of the Suffolk j ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC. l
545 i 1 Coutny Legislature. O 2 sa AttEN: Thenx vou. rhenx you, amage eremmer. 3 JUDGE BRENNER: One moment please. We are going 4 to change the tape. m 5 A9 6 R 7 3 8 8 d 6 9 10 E j 11 a p 12 9 O E 14 W l 2 15 g 16 res 17 18 = C 19 g es 20 21 O 23 O 25 I ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
546 I MR.. GREGORY-.BLASS ...Thank,you, Judge Brenner. Thank () 2 you members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and ladies 3 and gentlemen. My name is Gregory Blass. I am the Representative (]) 4 on the Suffolk County Legislature of the First Legislative DistrlcC. p 5 which is the East end of Long Island, which comprises north and 0 6 south forks, and that is what, I think, is the basis of the R 7 chief concern that I have to present to you tonight. M 8 8 the people of the East end of Long Island are going d y 9 to be required to go to the Shoreham Plant to get away from it Eg 10 in the event of any casualty. I think this reflects not only E 11 the poorest and most dangerous planning on the part of the Long k g 12 Island Lighting Company, but also the most serious oversight S /~h 5 13 of both the State and the Federal Governments over the last \\_) m 14 several years, but now the time is coming where the people are g 15 beginning to appreciate the mistakes that have been made. It m j 16 is not too late to take some action in relation to that M d 17 appreciation. E { 18 What I am trying to say is that the evacuation needs E 19 g of the Shorham issue are going to require careful attention to n 20 the growth and fluctuation of the population on the East end I 21 during certain times of the year. We have about one hundred 22 ten thousand residenta in the five East End towns. That popu-23 lation more than doubles during the summer months, and on some 24 weekends there are estimates that it almost triples. These 25 j are consisting chiefly of people who don't have stakes here, l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
547 I who would not be reluctant to flee at the first possible () 2 opportunity when any kind of problem would arise, or any Mind 3 of notification of the problems relating to the Shoreham Plant (]) 4 would arise. In that instance then you are going to--I am 5 referring specifically to a mass exodus from the East End at h 6 a number of times during the year which would drastically inter-R 7 fere with the evacuation standards that the NRC has honored in a j 8 other parts of the country and which it is considering here. d c[ 9 The standard which I am talking about most particu-zo 10 larly is the standard of a ten mile radius. That ten mile E 11 radius and that ten mile radius plan for evacuation might be k j 12 appropriate for other parts of the country, but it makes no E 13 sense for Long Island. (Applause.) l 14 The very fact that we are an island here, has been g 15 overlooked by countless Federal Agencies, and I can refer = g' 16 specifically to the Environmental Protection Agency and the w l d 17 policy that they have followed here with pesticides in our l 5 { 18 agricultural activities. E 19 g I strongly urge the NRC not to make that same 5 20 mistake. The mistake cannot be compounded providing a ten 21 mile radius only and ignoring the rest of Long Island, because 22 you can't do it that way. It is not going to work. (Applause.) (J~h l t 23 Another point that I would like to make reference 24 to is the point that really became a matter of policy of O 25 Suffolk County Government today in a Resolution that was .i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
548 1 sponsored by myself and1 Legislator Prospect, the next speaker. (') 2 That Resolution was also discussed by the County Executive and 3 it provides for a complete physical inspection of the safety (]) 4 systems and the other systems of the Nuclear Plant at Shoreham. e 5 We don't think that independent certification is E N 6 foreign to the way of doing business in the United States. R 7 Many a financial report, many a Government project, many an s j 8 operation, both in the Government and in the private sector, dd 9 cannot get off the ground unless it has independent certification; 10 therefore, why not apply that same common sense standard of E 'g 11 independent inspection to the Nuclear Plant at Shoreham? It s j 12 is the only thing to do and it should be done before any consid-5 13 eration is given to the issuance of a permit to operate that l 14 Plant. ( Applause. ) 2 15 It is also a concept that is not foreign to the g 16 Nuclear Regulatory Commission itself, or indeed the Chairman w d 17 Nunzio PaBadino has frequently stated that independent certi-5 M 18 fication similar to auditing statements that you find in = 19 financial reports are appropriate and ought to be considered g n 20 for future lisences. We, therefore, think it is more than 21 appropriate for Long Island and the Nuclear Plant, and in this 22 misadventure that we have going on here. I would suggest to i l V 23 you gentlemen that in your deliberations you make careful l l 24 consideration of the fact that the County is ready, willing, ( i 25 ' and able as a result of today's action to move ahead with ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
549 1 that physical inspection, and if ILCO will not open its doors (]) 2 to allow that to happen, then the Court's should order those 3 doors to be open themselves. (Applause.) ({) 4 In conclusion,. gentlemen, I just want to prevail 5 g upon you one final point; the decision that you are going to 2g 6 be making at these licensing hearings is going to be something R 7 that we, the people of Suffolk County, are going to have to a 8 8 live with for decades. Please make the decisions wisely. d q 9 Make them properly, and consider the points that are going to 10 e be made by the people here tonight. They are the ones who 11 are going to be affected by this; Thanks, very much. a y 12 (Applause.) 5 13 JUDGE BRENNER: I have not had an opportunity to {; 14 review or. read the Resolution yet. It was just provided to { 15 us. I imagine that we will be hearing about it by the m j 16 attorneys in the proceeding. There was a prior agreement w d 17 which was proposed but never reached the final fruition stage E { 18 between the County and the ILCO which also provides for an P" 19 l g independent audit inspection of the construction work, and n 20 I believe of the startup testing process. 21 How does the current Resolution differ from that? 22 (~s MR. BLASS: It differs in that the Settlement O 23 Agreement to which you refer provided for an independent 24 g inspection of two of the systems. This Resolution provides V 25 not only for an independent inspection of all the safety systems, ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
550 1 it also provides for the funding of it.and the County is ready, () 2 willing, and able, as I said, to go ahead with that, and if 3 it has to to seek reimbursement of that later, hopefully from () 4 the shareholders of ILCO who have gotten off the easy end as e 5 far as this whole problem is concerned. b h 6 JUDGE BRENNER: Does the Resolution include a veri-R 7 fication of the pre-startup testing process, which as you know, s 8 8 also goes on and is in fact partially in process already, as dd 9 I understand it? io 10 MR. BLASS : If we were able to secure the independent E h 11 inpsection--the Resolution does provide for locating an B j 12 independent engineer at the site of the plant as soon as 5 13 possible, and it authorizes the County Executive to proceed h 14 with setting up a contract with the assistance of the County's 2 15 Technical Association, technical consultants rather, MHB, l 5 l j 16 to assist him in setting up the specifications, bid specifications W b^ 17 in establishing that contract, and when that contract is ready, E { 18 the Legislature has stated today that it will pay for it E 19 g through County funds, to proceed as soon as possible. And if n 20 we can get to the stage that you refer to as early as that, we 21 will be prepared to do that. Yes, the Resolution would permit i;. 22 JUDGE BRENNER: We will hear more about that, I am 23, sure, in the proceeding. To some extent the County's consultant l g 24 MHB, are in the process of auditing the audits, if you will. t 25 MR. BLASS: Yes. I ( ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. w y y _,m ---_m
551 1 JUDGE BRENNER: That is the testimony that we will () 2 be hearing, also. 3 MR. BLASS: That would be helpful, but it is not (]) 4 enough. We want to have the assurance that ILCO has given us e 5 that the Plant is safe, that is was designed properly, that it A N 6 was constructed properly; all the working crews, all the people R 7 that they have hired, all the contractors, do the job there. M 8 8 If they indeed did their job properly, as they have assured d c[ 9 us that they have, then why would they be opposed to a reason-zo 10 able request which is to have an onsite inspection of the 11 design and the construction and the job. (Applause.) k j 12 I would suggest to you that,this is all the more c 13 important to the people of Long Island becuase of the geog-14 raphy, because of the national experience with this misadventure 2 15 called the Nuclear Power Generation, and because we in Suffolk 5 g' 16 county have a right to have a Plant that we know is safe M 6 17 before we are subjected to living with it. That is what { 18 good government and good commissions are all about. (Applausse. l E 19 JUDGE BRENNER: Thank you, ge l 20 MR. BLASS: Thank you. 21 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect? 22 MR. WAYNE PROSPECT: I hope you don't ask me to 23 spell anything. My namt is Wayne Prospect, and I am a Suffolk 24 County Legislator, and I reprensent the 15th Legislative 25 District in the Suffolk County Legislature. You should understaad i l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. l l
l 552 I that I represent the West End of Suffolk County, but yoa'should () 2 also understand that Suffolk County, the whole County is united. 3 The officials and its citizens are unanimously united to fight (]) 4 on this Shoreham question. We"are united as a County. 5 You asked some question about today's bill. I will h 6 say very, very, briefly before I get into my remarks, the bill R 7 authorizes the County Executive to sign a contract with Minor M g 8 Hubbard & Briddenbagh who would be the County's lead agent or d q 9 consultant. They would draw up the hid specifications; then' zo 10 send out those specifications; receive proposals from various 11 engineering firms and that MHB is assigned the task of putting B l 12 together.an engineering consortium, an engineering team, to 5 13 inspect to 32 or more critical safety systems of the Shoreham h 14 Nuclear Power Plant. { 15 We are not just talking here of paper audit. We e g' 16 are talking about a full physical inspection handled and W 17 directed by MH8. 5 M 18 Now, Mr. Chairman, I will read my prepared statement. 5 { 19 In order to assure public health and safety, the n 20 Nuclear Regulatory Commission is charged with the responsibility 21 of regulating the Nuclear Industry and the utilities that manu-22 facture Nuclear Power Plants. The people of Long Island have 7- \\~) l; known for a long time that they were living with a runaway 23 i 24 utility called ILCO, the Long Island Looting Company. (Applause,) O 25 What is news, however, is the knowledge that the LILCO leviathon ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
553 I has a kissing cousin in Washington called the NRC. (Applause.). () 2 This incestuous relationship between the regulator 3 and the regulated is revealed by the present NRC operating -() license hearing schedule, which is nothing less than draconian. 4 g 'S l With this hedring schedule, the NRC, it seems to me, demonstrates E 6 the utter contempt for the health and safety of every resident R ~$ .7 on Long Island. (Applause.) M j 8 You, the present members of the NRC, Atomic Safety d 9 and Licensing Board, appear to be violating the instructions zog 10 of your Chdirman, Mr. Nunzio Palladino. It was Mr. Palladino 3 11 who stated to the New York Times on December 5th, 1981, 5 N 12 "The NRC'will not cave in to the pressure from E /~w j 13 Utilities." %) m 3 14 In that story, Mr. Palladino acknowledged that the NRC oversight ea g 15 has not been sufficiently agressive, and he added: c: n' 16 "I am aware that we have a problem and that we w N 17 will acBress it." { 18 The Atomic Safety and Licensing Board is ignoring the advice E I9 ~ g of its own Chairman as it dances to a script written by the { 20 local monopoly. 21 Many of us on Long Island believe that Shoreham 22 g-Nuclear Plant is an accident waiting tc happen. Here is why. 23 The critical components of the Shoreham Nuclear Plant had 24 never the the subject of a thorough independent physical ) 1 25 ' inspection. This fact has been critical when one realizes ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
554 I that major components of the Shoreham Plant were designed (J~l 2 and procured in the 60's, built in the 70's for operation in ) 3 the 80's. Its construction has spanned nearly 20 years. (~) 4 Years which have seen major changes in the regulations of v e 5 the Nuclear Industry. h 6 The need for a complete independent physical R 7 inspection of all critical safety systems at Shoreham becomes Al 8 evident when one traces the history of the Plant's construction. Oc 9 In 1966, LILCO entered into a Purchase Order with General b b 10 Electric. A number of systems, including the turbine generatoy j 11 steam supply system and the emergency core cooling system. In k j 12 1967, LILCO arranged to purchase a reactor pressure vessel c 13 that was originally intended to be sold by GE to the New York h 14 State Electric and Gas Co. for installation in a nuclear 2 15 plant on Cayuga Lake. When plans for the Cayuga Lake Plant j 16 were cancelled, the reactor pressure vessel order was resold M 6 17 to LILCO. 5 18 In 1967, LILCO purchased the condenser, and in 1968 6 { 19 the feed water heater. It was not until 1970 that the old n ( 20 Atomic Energy Commission adopted QA regulations. The signifi-l 21 cance of this is that for four years, 1966 to 1970, LILCO I 22 purchased and partially fabricated many vital Shoreham Systems s _] 23 l before there were any Federally established QA requirements. 24 And before LILCO and its architect-engineer, Stone & Webster ( 25 ' had an AEC approved QA program, i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC. l l
555 1 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect, excuse me, we have O 2 sone over ene rive miautes. 1 wonder 1r vou cou1d som un 3 at this point. Q 4 A SPEAKER: Let him speak. He can have my time, e 5 A SPEAKER: He can have my time. b h 6 JUDGE BRENNER: Excuse me, but you are all taking R 7 away from each other's time. Ml 8 MR. PROSPECT: I will finish my statement. d .1 ci 9 A SPEAKER: Let him have it, b g 10 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect, please sum up at E 11 this point. is j 12 MR. PROSPECT: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 5 13 With your help I will finish this statement to its end. l 14 (Applause.) 2 15 w a: y 16 us 6 17 18 E 19 gn 20 21 O 23 24 AV 25 ' ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
556 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect, how much more do 1 2 you have? () 3 MR. PROSPECT: Well, I could have been half way /~s 4 through it if you let me finish. V e 5 JUDGE BRENNER: Could you answer my question? h A 6 MR. PROSPECT: I have three pages and I have another e 7 two and a half. M 8 8 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect, finish up in thirty n dd 9 seconds, please. i h 10 MR. PROSPECT: We have a practice in the County 3 s 11 Legislature that I would urge your to follow. That is, we d 12 also have a three or five minute rule. When members of the E b Public fill out cards to speak but they relinquish their time 13 () S E 14 to the speaker, that practice is followed. Ux 2 15 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Prospect, we have over sixty J 16 People who have signed up. E y 17 MR. PROSPECT: I think these people want me to 18 speak. = f19 JUDGE BRENNER: We are going to recess right now M 20 if you continue. 21 MR. PROSPECT: I hope you will not recess because 22 that will just prove what many of us already think that it f_V 23 is a Kangaroo Court so please let me finish. 24 It was not until 1970 that the old Atomic Energy O 25 Commission adopted Q.A. Regulations. For the audience that's ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
557 7 1 Quality Assurance Regulations. The significance of this is (]) 2 that for four years, from 1966 to 1970 LILCO purchased and 3 Partially fabricated many vital Shoreham systems before there []} 4 were any established Federal Quality Assurance Requirements, e 5 before LILCO and its Architect Engineer Stone & Webster had h 8 6 an approved Q.A. Program. In fact, by 1970 when the reactor e 7 pressure vessel, whose integrity is vital to the safe operation A 8 8 of the plant was already fifty per cent complete. That pressure N d c 9 has never been reviewed or inspected by the AEC or the Nuclear 10 Regulatory Commission. E 5 11 In addition, many of Shoreham's critical safety 12 systems were designed, procured, fabricated, put in place 13 before Federal Safety and Review Standards were further upgraded {) l 14 in the mid 1970's. 2 15 Towards the end of the 1960's another decision E j 16 with serious impact on the quality of the Shoreham designing w d 17 construction was made. LILCO decided to increase the capacity E M 18 of the Shoreham reactor from 440 megawatts to 820 megawatts 0 19 per day. R 20 However, the size of the Shoreham primary containment 21 structure which houses the reactor pressure vessel was not l 22 enlarged. Many experts believe that this management engineering 23 decision is a principal reason for construction flaws and 24 cost overruns at Shoreham. 25 ' Furthermore, Shoreham's plant containment has ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
558 1 made compliance with new safety requirements extremely difficult O 2 1r aot 1 vo==ibte, muttie1rias the cheaces for hiaaea ae isa 3 and construction. The wide ranging construction and management O 4 difficulties t Shoreham have been exhaustibly documented e 5 in a seven part series that appeared last fall in Newsday, 5l 6 our daily paper. That award winning series reveals the failure R 7 of LILCO's management to control the quality of construction s 8 8 or to adequately monitor a rapidly changing regulatory environ-O d 9 ment. Both of which create strong regions to require an [ 10 independent physical inspection of Shoreham before the plant E j 11 is licensed for operation. is j 12 In 1979, the near melt down accident at Three S O 13 Vg Mile Island prompted a re-examination of the NRC'c Regulation m 14 of Utilities and the Industry. Critical studies of the accident 2 15 lead to the NRC to issue many new safety requirements in an j 16 attempt to correct previously unforeseen projects. The Shoreham us ti 17 project begun more than ten years before the Three Mile Island 5 { 18 accident, has had to undergo numerous revisions in light of E 19 g the TMI Regulatory requirements, n 20 However, a number of those requirements remain 21 unresolved at Shoreham. In fact, in some case LILCO has refused 22 to comply fully or immediately with changes suggested by the 23 ; NRC. Since TMI the industry and the NRC have been confronted 24 with yet another development as serious as the accident, the 25 ' realization that design and construction at a number of plants ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
559 i around the country is seriously deficient. /~ 2 In September of 1981 a routine design review of V) 3 twin nuclear reactors at Diablo Canyon, California, revealed r^ 4 a serious error. Blueprints meant for structural supports V) e 5 at one reactor had been switched and used on the other. The 8 6 utility which had just been issued an interim license after e 7 exhaustive NRC hearings, was forced to give up the license 8 and submit to an independent inspection of designing construction, dd 9 At present more than one hundred deficiencies have been i h 10 discovered at Diablo Canyon. Ac' cording to the Utilities Project E 5 11 Manager, it may be several years before another license is o 12 issued at the plant, if ever. Q () d 13 In 1979, the Presidential Commission on the accident S E 14 at Three Mile Island concluded that neither the NRC nor the w W 2 15 nuclear industry could be trusted to police themselves. Both a g 16 are too tainted by their promotion of nuclear power to insure w d 17 the necessity of stringent and costly oversight of nuclear s 5 18 plant designing construction. E 19 In the interest of public health and safety, Suffolk 8n 20 County has initiated its own idependent physical inspection 21 of Shoreham's critical safety systems. The independent 22 inspection of Shoreham will address three areas. 23 1.) The need for a detailed review of Shoreham's 24 design to verify that the design meets current safety require-O %J 25 ; ments and that the plant can avoid serious accidents like a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
560 1 Class 9 accident. 2 2.) A detailed review of LILCO's Q.A. Requirements. 3 3.) A full physical inspection of all Shoreham's 4 critical safety systems to compare the design of those systems e 5 to the construction of those systems. Without such an inspection 5 h 6 conducted by independent engineers like MHB, the County will R 7 have no assurance that Shoreham will not endanger the health a g 8 and safety of its citizens. Suffolk County residents and d ci 9 their elected officials are willing to make the necessary 5 G 10 financial investment in order to bring about an independent 11 inspection of Shoreham's safety systems. In other words, is y 12 we are willing to do your job. 5 13 If the LILCO monopoly attempts to lock-out the O h 14 County's inspection team, the NRC, and this is what we want g 15 from you, the NRC must order LILCO to open its doors. Failure a: 16 g to issue such an order would be a further betrayal of the us d 17 public trust since the NRC would be participating with LILCO l t { 18 in a cover-up. E 19 g The people of Long Island are entitled to know n 20 the truth about the Shoreham plant. The truth will only be 21 known if there is a comprehensive, physical inspection of 22 that facility. The NRC has a responsibility to guarantee O I 23 that the County's inspection is not forwarded by a LILCO cover-24 up. The NRC has the further responsibility of not issuing O 25 an interim or operating license until the result of a physical ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
561 1 inspection is thoroughly reviewed. (]) 2 I will conclude by saying, the people of Suffolk 3 County will never allow an uninspected nuclear plant to operate. Q 4 Thank you. b e 5 JUDGE BRENNER: The next speaker we have is Sylvia M N h 6 Benton. After Dr. Benton we would call Nora Bredes. After R 7 that we call Dick Johnson. M 8 8 MS. JOHNSON: Good evening. My name is Sylvia d d 9 Benton and I live in St. James. 10 I'm here this evening to ask th Nuclear Regulatory 11 Commission if they are going to help the millions of people B j 12 like myself on this Island with an enormous problem. This 5 '? ) enormous problem is LILCO's nuclear facility at Shoreham. l 14 As I understand it, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission $[ 15 is suppose to be operating as a watchdog in the public's a j 16 interest but if it is, how come such an outrageous schedule w 6 17 has been set forth for these hearings? 5 { 18 The Nuclear Regulatory Commission knows that Suffolk E 19 g County is an intervener in the licensing of this plant and n 20 that the County Attorneys need enough time to prepare a thorough 21 case. Then why is the NRC speeding up the proceedings? Could 22 gw it be that it is attempting to manipulate the situation so V, 23 that that County as an intervener will do less than an adequate 24 job in its case preparation? Could it be that the NRC is 25 receiving pressure from the Bevill Committee in Washington ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
562 1 which monitors the progress of operationg licenses for nuclear 2 facilities? Is it possible that many in Washington are wondering 3 why it is taking so long for Shoreham to be licensed?
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4 is all this questioning a response to being squeezed by an (-) e 5 Administration in favor the profileration of nuclear power U h 6 and weaponry. R d 7 There are some other questions which also need Ml 8 asking. If the NRC cares about life on this island, how come d c; 9 it decided that its evacuation beyond the limit of ten miles 10 was not admissible as a contention in these hearings? Does E 11 the NRC believe that only a low level accident is possible a y 12 after the lessons of Three Mile Island? Why aren't you Judges 5 y 13 taking into account environmental and meteorological data (_) l 14 utilized in California which proposed a primary evacuation g 15 area of 18 to 35 miles. What is the purpose of writing history x g 16 and pursuing scientific inquiry if it is declared as inadmissible w 17 evidence? 5 { 18 What will happen to people out on the east end A { 19 of Long Island? How will these people get off of Long Island n 20 if there is a major accident at Shoreham? How will they get 21 through the magical Ten Mile circle? Will they travel four 22 or five miles south of it and avoid all radiation? What will 23 happen to all of those who are safe eleven miles west of the 24 facility? And those sixty miles further west in New York 25 l City who will all be heading away from our safe and radioactively ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
563 1 free environement? Does the NRC know the population of Queens (v~') 2 and Brookline Counties? Let's pretend for a moment that the 3 United States Government wanted to evacuate all of us off (~') 4 of this 120 mile Long Island. Where would be air lifted to? v e 5 Albany? How many planes would it take? Do we have that many? E N 8 6 Would there be showers in Albany where we would all wash away e Rg 7 our future malignancies? s 8 8 Apart from some of the above fantasies about who a dd 9 cares about us and what they will do, the NRC is also faced i 0 10 with gross flaws in the construction of the Shoreham Plant. a E 5 11 I think all of you can understand something simple like the <3 d 12 fact that this country operates under a mountain of regulations. E= CZ) :d 13 Everything must ultimately pass some form of inspection before E 14 it is presented for public consumption. You also know that $e 2 15 some level of quality control is operable even in the sleeziest y 16 of corporations. Because of great economic thought, you also e d 17 know that if such quality control is ignored, the public will 18 eventually reject the product or ultimately suffer because E 19 of it, causing the Government to intervene or the company 8" i l 20 to be sued in Court. 21 We all know unfortunately, that many times slip 22 shot approaches are involved in such inspections and because (_) 23 of this inadequate products are released to the marketing 24 public. There is evidence that inspections made at Shoreham pO 25 by NRC Staff Members who in many cases, just a cursory look i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
564 1 at paperwork and that physical observation was often ignored. 2 What are you going to do about this? } 3 Last year Newsday printed a series of articles O highlighting the flaws at the Shoreham plant. What are you 4 e 5 going to do about these flaws? You have claimed to operate U 6 in the public but you let Three Mile Island go on line. You R Q 7' also licensed every plant in New York State and everyone of sl 8 them has been shut down at one time or another due to malfunc-dd 9 tions. As a matter of fact, not one of them was in operation. io 10 Will you let Shoreham go on line as well? I g 11 I would think the very least you could do to assuage k j 12 a guilty conscience, would be to order a complete physical 5 j 13 inspection of the facility. After all, you wouldn't be turning n U ~ h 14 your back on LILCO. You would be aiding them to play the 2 15 game according to the rules, the American way. For the first j 16 time in the brief history of the AEC and NRC, some money might w d 17 be spent in the public interest. You would be doing your 5 5 18 job and there is nothing out of line about that. U { 19 There are just two other observations I wish to \\ n 20 make. These refer to two more blatent incongruities of these 21 proceedings. 22 One is we in Suffolk have noted the neutral position ) 23 j taken with respect to a physical inspection by Mr. Brown, 24 an Attorney supposedly representing the interest of this County. O 25 The second is the fact that former advisors to i i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
565 1 the nuclear industry often sit on your benches, Judges. Both (} 2 of these occurrences are characterized by conflicts of interest. l 3 If can borrow a word utilized by LILCO's Attorney, Mr. Revele, 4 are nothing less than cosmic. k = 5 JUDGE BRENNER: Ms. Bredes? En 8 6 MS. BREDES: I'm the Executive Coordinator of e Rg 7 the Shoreham's opponents Coalition and I would like to make 8 8 this statement tonight, d d 9 When the Shoreham Opponents Coalition was formed io g 10 two and a half years ago, we knew our intervention to stop 3 l 11 the Shoreham plant would be an uphill battle. We didn't know k d 12 the NRC was going to make the hill a glass mountain impossible 3ad 13 to climb. SOC began preparing its case in January of 1980 (1s) { 14 after we were admitted as a late intervener in the licensing 2 15 proceeding. At that time we trusted that the NRC would heed 5 y 16 its well advised critics, some in the Commission itself, who w g 17 were calling for a fundamental re-evaluation of NRC's Safety Y 18 and Licensing Procedures in the wake of the Three Mile Island h 19 accident. g n 20 The President's Commission on the accident at 21 Three Mile Island wrote that the NRC was "so pre-occupied 22 with licensing of plants that it had not given primary consider-ms 23 ation to the overall safety issues." 24 The NRC's own apecial inquiry group went further hs 25 in the Rogorin Report. It stated that, "Unless fundamental ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
566 1 changes are made in the way nuclear reactors are built, operated () 2 and regulated in this country, similar accidents, perhaps 3 with the potentially serious consequences to public health () 4 and safety that were only narrowly reverted at Three Mile e 5 Island are likely to occur." b 6 It seems that this year's NRC with the present R 7 Shoreham Licensing Board as a prime example, is ignoring these ] 8 warnings in a politically inspired to save a dime industry dd 9 and license nuclear power plants as quickly as possible without d 10 regard to even the meager rights we interveners still possess. E j 11 On October 20th, 1981, the House Government k y 12 Operations Committee recognized this new NRC drive is inappro-E []} 13 priate. It stated that, " Safety related NRC Programs and h 14 the inspection of operating nuclear reactors, the true mission g 15 of the NRC have remained behind schedule at the same time x 16 g the NRC's attention has been devoted to the supposed problem e 6 17 of licensing delays. This Board has stated that interveners 5 { 18 have no reason to complain about a schedule that sets hearings E 19 g from May through August that requires thirty day deadlines n ( 20 of direct testimony, since, afterall, the proceedings began 21 six years ago, we should have been ready. That attitude is r3 22 almost malicious. V 23 The Shoreham case was docketed in 1976 but the i I 24 g lighting company is the one to blame. It has taken six years g/ \\_ 25 I to get the plant to its present 2.5 billion dollar state of ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
567 1 questionable readiness. The Board must know that the NRC's ({) 2 unsafety evaluation report for Shoreham, the final review 3 that starts the hearing clock ticking was issued last April ({} 4 with a record number of items still open or unresolved. Last e 5 month the NRC Staff itself admitted that still other safety 5l 6 items are outstanding. The Staff could not predict when those Rg 7 items would be ready for interveners experts to study. M { 8 Of course, LILCO claims its plant will be set dd 9 to load fuel this September and perhaps the Board has been 10 persuaded to move things along by the Bevill Committee in E { 11 Congress. But who would a truly objective party believe? k j 12 A utility that claimed the plant would be ready five years 5 S y 13 ago at a cost of 271 million dollars or the NRC's resident (J u m h 14 inspector and NRC Staff who feel that December or later is 2 15 a more realistic date. E y 16 But really beyond these surface questions of a d 17 schedule, the deeper point is, so what if Shoreham is ready E M 18 to load fuel but is still unlicensed? l E { 19 If sounds reason exist for the prudent, thorough n 20 review, it's th NRC's job to see that review is done. It's 21 not clear unfortunately that this Board this should happen. l 22 This severe schedule makes it obvious the Board is courting 7, V 23 LILCo's favor. The only question is which is more threatened? 24 7-OUr rights as citizens in a democracy or the future safety V 25 of our families and communities. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
r 568 y For instance, SOC has just learned that the Board 2 may litigate emergency planning issues in a piece meal style 3 f r ing the County to release bit by bit its emergency plan. 4 Suffolk County, however, has said it wants the right to decide e 5 f r itself when its plan is ready for review. Suffolk County Ah6 w uld like to do a thorought study of the consequences of 7 an accident at Shoreham in order to determine the best possible 8 pr cedure to protect its citizens. N All it wants from the Board is the time to study, 9 ~i h 10 prepare, test, and then through legislative and democratic z j jj vote approve a comprehensive plan. <k d 12 The prudent respectful decision would be to allow Z-the County that time. If it is six months before the emergency 13 Q m V = P anning issues may be heard, that is six months for the County l E 14 W 2 15 and its people to study and democratically review plans for 5 B-16 a protective action. ~ rA p 17 The Rogarin Report thought highly of citizen inter-E g; jg veners. It stated, " Interveners have made an important impact ~ P j9 on safety in some instances. The promotion of effective i-8n 20 citizen participation is a necessary goal of the Regulatory gj system appropriate demanded by the public." If the Board 22 disagrees with Rogarin, if you persist in the schedule as 23 set, we can only conclude that your main concern, like the 24 concern of history, is to get the trains, the NRC Local Express O 25 running on time. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
569 1 Then you will be ready for this gift, a supporter {} 2 of the coalition, Bill King, has denoted for us. This is 3 a rubber stamp. We will be ready to supply it with you and () we as citizens will be ready for the Courts and the streets. 4 = 5 Thank you. A k 6 JUDGE BRENNER: After Mr. Johnson we will be calling fk7 Mr. Matthew Chachere, Mr. James Leotta, and Mr. Sailor. N 8 8 MR. JOHNSON: My name is Richard T. Johnson. I'm dd 9 President of Concerned Citizens of Montauk, which is an Mo G 10 organization of slightly less than 1,000 residents of Montauk. E g 11 My Board of Directors has instructed me to come here today B g 12 and make our experience with LILCO known to this hearing. E fg 13 We have a long history of coming into this room. V l 14 We have been questioning LILCO for twelve years. We should 2 15 probably pay to re-apholster some of the chairs here because 5 g' 16 we have really worked for twelve long years and worn them W 6 17 out. We are getting worn out too. { 18 We were here when anyone who questioned the viability E 19 g of nuclear power or the certainty of our local utility was n 20 considered a realy cuckoo. We are happy to have lived long 21 enough to be here in a more respectable capacity. 22 When we started, LILCO was talking seven nuclear 23 plants from Shoreham all the way out to Montauk. This was 24 very serious. This is what Montauk needed to survive economically O 25 I We go back to the day when LILCO assured us that nuclear power it ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
570 I would be too cheap to meet her. () 2 We really remember and we would like a comment 3 from LILCO, we most seriously suggest that LILCO comment to () 4 the NRC on this matter. We remember, it seems just like e 5 yesterday when we could not survive at least on Jamesport Mn 6 we're not permitted. We honestly thought many, many times, R 7 that in the Suffolk for Safe Energy Organization that even sl 8 Jamesport was lost. We figured, everybody said, Jamesport d c; 9 will be built. LILCO said Jamesport will be built. Now 10 Jamesport is just a big joke. Imagine if we had a 2 billion b 11 dollar joke in Jamesport today which is what we would have B y 12 if my organization and many others, many people like us had 3 s 13 not got in there and questioned what was going on-- l 14 2 15 E j 16 m i 17 M 18 E 19 20 21 CZ) 23, 24 O 25 I l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
571 1 We have one very serious question which is not too 2 often brought up and which we please want an answer to. If my (} 3 facts are not 100 per cent right, they are at least 80 per 4 cent right. It is our understanding from studies made by U-- e 5 qualified organizations and from what we have read in the An d 6 press that the moment LILCO opens the Plant in Shoreham, whether e 9 8 7 it works or not, whether it breaks down or not, because it will s 8 8 then be hot, it will cost us to dismantle this Plant, whether n dd 9 it be dismantled in 40 years or in one year or if it has no i h 10 use at all, whenever it is dismantled, please don't forget 2 s 11 that part of the cost of whatever electricity you get out of d 12 that Plant will be the 2 billion or more dollars it cost to z3 d 13 dismantle that Plant, and we hear very about the additional ) l 14 charge. 2 15 We hear about the 40 per cent increase in our 5 16 electrical rates when then open the plant, but we.may have a M b 17 another 100 per cent increase in our rates when they try to ~ 5 5 18 close the Plant. Thank you, very much. (Applause.) 5 19 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Chachere. 8n 20 MR. MATTHEW CHACHERE: Good evening. My name is 21 Matthew Chachere. I am on the Executive Committee of the 22 Opponents Coalition. I think I could come here and learn all (1) 23 kinds of technical arguements and all the usual nonesense 24 that we have all heard back and forth for all these years. 25 ' And I don't think it is going to mean anything whatsoever, ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
572 -d I because you and I know the whole purpose of this hearing is O 2 to defuse puh11c anger,nd anxiety so we can come here and 3 yell for a few minutes and feel like we did something, and ] 4 everybody here knows that these hearings don't mean anything 5 whatsoever; that you guys have your minds made up about what 3 6 you are going to do and you are going to do it come hell or .g
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high water; so what I would like to do for the remainder of a 8 8 my five minutes is have a couple of minutes of silence in d c; 9 memorium for the future generations of Long Island who are h 10 going to die from cancer, mutations caused by this plant which = II you guys are going to approve. is y 12 JUDGE BRENNER: We appreciate the sentiment, and-- 5 a 13 excuse me. We are going to go on to our next speaker. I would p g dm I4 like to make one point. We have permitted---if we recess we { 15 are going to lose more time. a: g 16 MR. CHACHERE: I still have the floor and I demand v5 h I7 my time. I demand silence and I demand respect. I am a { 18 citizen on this island. You guys are complicit in doing some-i:" 19 g thing which is going to kill us all, and it is not a laughing n 20 matter. It is not a matter for procedure. (Applause.) 2I I am sick of this nonesense. You guys are absolutely 22 intent on railroading through this plant, and I am not going 23 to stand for it. 24 JUDGE BRENNER: I would like to make the point that J 25 ! we have had three members of the Shoreham Opponents Coalition. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
573 1 Normally, parties who have the advantage of partici-O 2 settaa ia the forme 1 11e1 atioa, nica wi11 so oa for maar, 9 3 cany, days, and where we have heard these issues and will C 4 cont 3.nue to hear these issues, are not permitted a limited 5 appearance statement--- 6 MR. CHACHERE: I am speaking as a resident of Long R 7 Island, and I am a human being who deserves respect, which A 8 8 I am not going to get from the Lighting Co. or the NRC for d c; 9 my children, for my chromosomes, for this island. -I think 8g 10 that is contempt. E 11 JUDGE BRENNER: I understand your wanting to speak, is y 12 and you have spoken. c 13 (Many : people speaking out from the audience.) l 14 JUDGE BRENNER: If we recess now, you are going 15 to lose more time. Sir, please be seated. Sir, please be j 16 seated. vs 17 Mr. Leotta? Mr. Chachere, please leave the podium E y 18 so Mr. Leotta can speak. k 19 g MR. CHACHERE: I haven't been allowed my five minutes, n 20 JUDGE BRENNER: We are worried about getting to all 21 of the people here who want to make a statement. 22 MR. CHACIIERE : I want to tell you I am worried about 23, this plant being put on line, sir. I think you guys can spend 24 all night here and listen to every person on Long Island if O 25 ! they care to come here to speak about it. (Applause.) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
574 1 Don't put this thing on us. We are sick of it. (Applause.) O 2 aooGs eResssR, I am very concerned that we won.t 3 be able to get to everybody tonight and we won't fit them in O 4 tomorrow #1 ae, etener, wien ene oener geoeie wao are enere-9 5 Mr. Leotta, will you step up next, please. h 6 MR. JAMES LEOTTA: Good evening. My name is James GT 7 Leotta. I am Project Coordinator for the New York Public A g 8 Interest Research Group, NYPIRG. NYPIRG is New York's largest d 9 private research and advocacy organization and we operate about 8g 10 31 offices statewide. Four of these offices are here on Long E 11 Island. I work in one of them, and I live here also. is j 12 We have focused primarily on Emergency Preparedness, E 13 which will be the primary focus of our testimony. This Board l 14 should be aware of the growing anxiety of the people here on 15 Long. Island concerning the safety of Shoreham. I think you j 16 are aware of it now, if you haven't been before. vs d 17 Part of the anxiety stems from the excessive cost 5 { 18 of Shoreham. Another part of this anxiety is derived from E 19 g the gross mismanagement decisions made by the local executives n 20 which has undermined the public trust in the ability to build 21 a nuclear power plant and operate it safely. But by far the 22 largest part of this concern over Shoreham stems from the u) 23 history of accidents in the nuclear industry itself, an history 24 or an industry, I might add, that this Commission has been 25 I entrusted to oversee. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
575 1 Developing emergency plans that would reflect the O 2 neea of a reatotosice1 emerseacy enouta ea acciaent ee the 3 shoreham 11uclear facility occur during its lifetime is proble-C 4 matic at best. It is past time to stop construction, but n 5 better late than for Shoreham to ever go on line. Years ago bl 6 when Shoreham was just a glimmer in an executive's eye, the N 7 consequences of a major accident in a nuclear plant and the s j 8 limitations of emergency plans did not constitute a major d c 9 portion of the dialog on the cost benefits of such a venture. ,z h 10 Three Mile Island has changed all that. The adequacy b 11 of emergency planning is now considered to be a major is j 12 component of the licensing process, for this-- 3 13 "last line of defense fails, the public health and 14 safety cannot be protected. If the public health a g 15 and safety cannot be guaranteed, the nuclear power a:.' 16 plant should not be licensed." j as 6 17 This Board is holding this hearing to determine if 5 { 18 LILCO is fit to operate a nuclear power plant. You are empowered E 19 g to find out if LILCO can indeed boil water to produce electricity n 20 and protect the public health and safety at the same time. 21 While some observers and critiques may argue that 22 the overriding concern of your mandate is to find out if LILCO U-23 ; can boil water by spliting atoms, I submit to you that the 24 overriding concern of your mandate is b, that no matter how 25 LILCO boils--produces electricity, the health and safety of ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
576 I the millions of Long Island residents must be guaranteed, and O 2 a1so the many geog 1e thee come here during the summer to have 3 good times on our beaches. 4 It has come to NYPIRG's attention that the Atomic e 5 Safety and Licensing Board has decided to limit the intervenors h 6 case on emergency planning to an area within ten miles. NYPIRG R 7 feels it is a grave mistake. While it is true that most of the 8 8 early fatalities associated with the major radioactive release d ci 9 from the Shoreham Nuclear facility would occur closest to the 10 plant, this does not preclude the longer term health effects 11 to those who receive lower doses of radiation farther away is y 12 from the plant. E" q 5 13 You see, despite the great power that LILCO may as g b I4 wield on Long Island, the company cannot construct a magical h 15 lead wall which would contain the health effects within its a: 16 34 boudaries. Latent cancer and virth defects do occur beyond us N I7 the ten miles. These are the NRC's own conclusions and not 5 { 18 just anti-nuclear sentiment or rhetoric. is 19 g Emergency plans developed around nuclear plants i l 20 should not be limited to the minimum Federal Guidelines. l 21 Emergency planning should, instead be held to the highest 22 level of scrutiny. The plans should surpass the Federal i 23 regulations if needed to safeguard all who are in danger of 24 Shoreham, if Shoreham is to operate. California is already O 25 making plans along these lines. The State has commissioned ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
577 I a study of the consequense of an accident at all commercial (]) 2 nuclear power plants based on site specific characteristics, 3 and mandated that all emergency plans be prepared on those {]) 4 specifications. As a result, some of the evacuation zones e 5 have been extended to 35 miles from the site. 3 N 6 Certainly before issuing a license which NYPIRG R d 7 would strongly object to, the same type of consequense study 3 8 should be done as to the site specific characteristics of dd 9 Shoreham. 1: h 10 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Leotta, I wonder if you could E y 11 sum up now. ~ k N 12 MR. LEOTTA: Just a bit more. 5 13 JUDGE BRENNER: Okay. l 14 MR. LEOTTA: The possibility of evacuating the area { 15 within ten or 35 miles of Shoreham is extremely problematic, m y 16 given the New York City and its congestion to the West and the w 6 17 simple fact that the rest of Long Island is completely surrounded 5 { 18 by water. Given the unique site characteristics of Shoreham, E 19 g NYPIRG doubts that such plans could ever be compiled. M 20 Three Mile Island should have taught you to rethink 21 the assumptions of the nuclear industry. NYPIRG believes 22 that the Board should share this new skepticism until proven gs O 23, otherwise beyond a shadow of a doubt. Only with this type of 24 new approach will the Board truly examine the issues surrounding f_s V 25 Shoreham including emergency planning to the fullest extent, i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
578 1 and we hope it will determine that LILCO should be denied 2 a licensing permit. Thank you. (Applause.) 3 JUDGE BRENNER: The next speaker will be Mr. Vance 4 Sailor. After Mr. Sailor, we will call Mr. Van Howell, and 5 g after Mr. Howell, Miss Jean Tiedke, in that order. Mr. Sailor. c' 6 MR. VANCE SAILOR: Good evening, your Honor. My name R 7 is Vance Sailor. I live in East Patchogue, New York. I am E 8 8 a Senior Physicist on the Scientific Staff at BrookHanven G c; 9 National Laboratory. I cite my employer for identification g 10 purposes only. The statement I am making reflects my own 11 personal views and not necessarily those of my employer. B y 12 When I came to Long Island 33 years ago, my first 5 pj 13 assignment was to supervise the collection of nuclear data Vm m 5 14 for the first startup, for the startup of the first nuclear l g 15 reactor in Suffolk County. This reactor operated safely for x j g 16 17 years until it finally became obsolete for experimental m 17 purposes. x i h 18 Subsequently, I worked on various other reactors and l E 19 g I conducted physical research for the past 33 years. During n 20 this time, my pay has come entirely fron the Federal budget, 21 the taxpayer, the people. I feel compelled therefore to make 22 my professional judgment about some of these matters known to 23 the public to the Board. 24 I followed the Shoreham Plant with' considerable 25 detail, since the start of the AEC construction permits in 1970 i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
579 I and through the actual construction up to its present status. O 2 as a matter of fact, I served ee Cheirmen es e erivete citizen 3 of a group, Suffolk Scientists for Cleaner Power and Safer 4 Environment, which intervened in the AEC construction permits 5 y hearings in support of the application. We presented some c? 0 expert witnesses. We crossexamined a few witnesses. We filed R b 7 briefs and so on, but mainly we sat through the 90 or more ?. 8 8 sessions of those hearings in a state of shock and astonishment O 9 at the broad scope that the licensing board gave the intervenors o h 10 in opposition to this permit. They essentially set their = II boundaries, the discovery of radioactivity by Madam Curie, and is f I2 allowed practically any subject matter to be introduced into s S g 13 the hearings. Most of this was not relevant to the subject. 14 Most of the so-called expert witnesses that gave 15 testimony were testifying in fields outside of their professiona.L ij 16 competence. The delay of the Shoreham plant caused by those as h I7 three years of construction permit hearings has cost the a: IO citizens of Long Island dearly. We need only to compare with 19 8 the Millstone II plant just accross Long Island Sound about n 20 20 miles from here to get an idea of the economic penalty that 21 Long Island has payed because of the long drawn out hearings. 22 The Millstone hearings started at almost the same 23 time as the Shoreham hearings. They lasted for about a week. .24 The plant started commercial operation in 1975 at a capital 25 cost of about $435 million. Since then it has saved the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
580 1 electrical customer in Connecticut hundreds of millions of {}} 2 dollars in fuel costs. 3 The problem now is to get Shoreham started as {} q uickly as possible consistent with public safety. (Applause.) 4 e 5 I'll repeat, Mr. Chairman, I have been on the public b 6 payroll for the past 30 years and I feel deeply obligated to R 7 make my professional views known to the public. There have M] 8 been many sensational allegations that.the construction of d c 9 the Shoreham plant has been slipshod and careless. Each of 10 these allegations has been investigated by NRC inspection E g 11 teams and found to be without foundation. These investigations M y 12 have been very costly to the public who has to pay the bill. 5 13 Now Suffolk County is demanding the County make a full physical O 14 inspection of the plant. If implemented, the suggestion would g 15 be very expensive and serve no useful purpose. m 16 g The County lacks the resources to make a meaningful e 6 17 inspection or even to evaluate such an inspection if it i 5 { 18 hired a contractor to do the work. From what I heard tonight, E 19 the consulting firm which the County considers hiring is not g n 20 an independent reviewer. This is a company that earns its 21 income from anti-nuclear activities and that is its main function 22 in life. It is not going to conduct an independent review. (~V) 23, It would be a total waste of public money. l 24 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Sailor, we have reached 5 minutes OG 25 Could you sum up at this time. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 1
581 1 MR. SAILOR: It is my opinion that this plant has () 2 been constructed to meet the NRC safety standards and that it 3 can and will be operated without significant risk to the health (]) 4 and public safety. This, of course, is up to this Board to e 5 determine from the evidence which is to be placed before it. h 6 Thank you, sir. R 7 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Howell. A 8 8 MR. VAN HOWELL: My name is Van Howell. My area d c; 9 of professional expertise is that I am a cartoonist, which 10 might have as much to do with Shoreham as some of the professions E 11 around here. My main reason for being here at this point is a p 12 that for the last 5 years I have lived about one mile west of {)S 13 the Shoreham Nuclear Reactor, and I have been periphically 14 part of the Shoreham Community in giving art lessons. I 15 occasionally have an art student who works at the power plant j 16 and meet people that work there all the time, you know, from e d 17 time to tim e hitchhikers whose fathers work there, and I s { 18 started to hear a lot of things as soon as I moved there, and E 19 g before I moved there from a couple of people I knew who lived n 20 there that didn't go according to what I would have expected. 21 I would have expected that as bad as nuclear power might be 22 in some theoretical sense that at least the plant would be ) 23 ; put together right. 24 In fact, I think it was me and my wife who began f~ 25 l the process of putting the business of putting on the public V i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
582 i record the false rumors of bad construction, The first one C 2 that we heard was from a local realtor who knew plenty of 3 People who worked there that a lead shield for some, or near O 4 some highly radioactive stuff in the reactor didn't quite G e 5 fit, and they jammed it in anyway, even though there was still 8 6 air showing around the sides. That was about five years ago. e N 8 7 We didn't put a source on that too much. M 8 Soon we began, at around this time, with all due d d 9 respect to the previous speaker who said his BNL affiliation b 10 was for identification purposes only, we had a very close 3l 11 friend that worked at BrookHaven Lab that occasionally liked is d 12 to speak against nuclear power who was very severely reprimanded 35 m p d 13 although he only used BNL for identification purposes only. dS E 14 He has since left the lab. w s 2 15 With all due respect to the Millstone reactor, one s .j 16 of the first times that I came here to speak at the Legislature vi ([ 17 was right after a steam explosion at the Millstone which the s M 18 NRC didn't hear about for 12 hours. We began to hear things E 19 about some of the local long haired hitchhikers, kids hanging 5 20 out at the Shorehar s are saying that the reactor, saying the 21 Shoreham const/u t!t site, this was quite a few years ago, 22 was the best place in the County to buy any kind of drug. nU 23, We didn't buy any drugs, but we kept being told that if we 24 wanted to buy drugs that was the place to make the connection. O. 25 Another friend who is now involved in Alcoholic 3 I ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. i
583 1 Anonymous had a job at the reactor and swears that although (]) 2 she is pro-nuclear, she used to bring in a case of booze every 3 night. (]) 4 People that live across the water Wading River, have e 5 told us that there was a party going on every night. This was En h 6 a few years ago too. I haven'.t been hearing too much of this R 7 lately, but a few years ago it seemed to be coming pretty 3l 8 thick and fast. Somebody even told me, although I don't d d 9 remember the source, that the cement was being poured right io 10 over empty booze bottles somewhere in there. E h 11 Wanting to get a little more specific information k I 12 at one time, I asked someone to please track down from the c 13 construction worker who had told him about cracks in the m 14 pipe, they got as far as the specific. information that the 5 E y 15 N-ll system, which is something that you are probably more z y 16 familiar with than I am, it carries the very hot superheated A g 17 steam from the reactor vessel to the turbines--is that correct? 5 18 In any case, it was that there were hairline cracks in it P { 19 that were covered over with fresh cement which is one of the n 20 things that leads me to believe that an onsite physical 21 inspection might end up being, with all due respect to the 22 intervenors, someting like Nixon's secret end to the Vietnam 7, \\m) 23 War in terms of finding out what is really going on in there. i 24 A neighbor down the road had a daughter who worked .) 25 ' in the plant, knew a lot of the top management at the plant. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
584 1 She happened to recognize one of them in a restaurant saying O 2 that the more experiencea workers at the plant are pretty 3 terrified at the way it is being done, although the newer Q 4 workers that don't have the experience at the plant think that 5 everything is hunky dory and are very impressed with the paper 6 work and red tape. R 7 I heard the same from a hitchhiker whose. father works
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at several nuke sites and they are much more impressive than d c; 9 this one. What I kept hearing is that they were saying it y a g 10 was a joke. I heard it from a lot of people and they weren't 6 j 11 laughing, but when they turn that thing on, they are going to is j 12 be in another state. 5 m 13 I heard the same thing from another man who came U l 14 from nuclear submarine.. construction. He hadn't been involved g 15 in other commercial reactor projects, but he was horrified a: 16 g by what he saw at Shoreham. vs N 17 A man I knew who was working there, there was an E l 18 experienced welder who because of the constant Rube Goldberg P { 19 revisions in design was forced to weld while in sort of a n 20 Yoga contortion jammed among pipes using a mirror to see what 21 he was doing and quite his job No. 1, because.of the backaches 22 he was getting from being in this position and No. 2, because l i 23 ; he took some pride in his work and didn't have confidence in l 24 what he was able to do in that position and wanted to get or v 25 didn't want to be responsible for whatever would happen. l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
585 I JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Howell, you have used your O 2 rive minutes, ena 1 womaer 11 you cou1a sum u,et this time. 3 MR. HOWELL: Okay, I will leave it right there. O 4 e 5 d d 6 e N 7 sl 8 0 ci 9 io i G 10 E g 11 is ti 12 z E Oi' E 14 s a: 2 15 s j 16 us 6 17 18 E 19 8n 20 t 21 l 1 0 23, 24 O 25 I ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
58'6 1 as others have said, paper documents substitutes for a physical (]) 2 inspection of componenents or construction activities. 3 Referring to NRC's Action Plan, developed after the TMI accident, /~3 4 F.R. Mynatt who is Director of' Instrumentation and Controls (/ e 5 at Oak Ridge, says that the Plan "... has resulted in some A N 6 improvement and postponement of others, with debate over the Rg 7 degree of safety improvement afforded by any or all of the s] 8 measures." He further states that "research may identify d d 9 desirable backfit changes for present reactors...before the i h 10 midway point in their collective lifetime." Now Shoreham E E 11 has not quite started on its collective lifetime. <B j 12 In late March, D. L. Basdekas, a reactor safety 5 ('] y 13 engine'er with the NRc, cired the Rancho Seco accident and sj m { 14 said, " Control systems are not reviewed by the Nuclear Regulatory l 5 l 2 15 Commission. They are not immune to fire or power failure; g 16 they have no backups, so are prone to simple failure." He d i b' 17 further states that automatic controls which take over quickly 5 5 18 do not always take the right action, but that the agency has k l 19 not demanded the technical data necessary to assess the system's R 20 safety fully. 1 21 Alvin Weinberg believes that wholly new reactor 1 22 designs are needed to eliminate or minimize the vulnerabilities 23 of today's reactors. NUREG 0771 (1) states that the set of 24 accident sequences in any nuclear power plant is plant design 25 specific to some degree. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
587 1 As to the fifty mile injestion zone, almost all ({) 2 of Long Island and a substantial protion of Connecticut lies 3 within that zone. In fact the fifty mile zone for every nuclear f]) 4 Power plant along the northeast atlantic coastline overlaps e 5 or is tangential to one or more other nuclear power plant sites - Enj 6 from Maine Yankee to the Three Mile Island-Susquehena-Berwick R Q 7 plants in Pennsylvania, to the Salem site in New Jersey, What 8 8 attention has been paid to this phenomenon? dd 9 To sum up our emergency planning section, I would $g 10 like to say that the League urges that emergency planning 8 g 11 procedures for Shoreham be specifically tailored to the site B g 12 and include the following: ~a r~g 13 1. Long Island's unique geographical configuration V l 14 and erratic wind conditions. 2 15 2. Large seasonal variation in population, based E 16 on actual count. j w b' 17 3. Overlapping 50-mile ingestion zones. N 18 4. NRC's qualified definitions of EPZ's. E 19 5. NRC's admitted uncertainties about probabalistic g n 20 risk assessment technizques. 21 5. NRC's willingness to consider extending 10-mile 22 EPZ's. us 23 As to potential engineering problems, during the 24 NRC Jamesport hearings, the League was deeply concerned by 25 the evidence of the NRC's lackadaisacal QA/QC program, where ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
~ 588 1 JUDGE BRENNER: The next speaker after Jean Tiedke (]) 2 will be Dr. Grantham, Virginia Moore, and then Betty Hoye, 3 in that order. (]) 4 MS. TIEDKE: Gentlemen, I am Jean Tiedke and I e 5 represent the League of Women Voters of Suffolk County. The M9 3 6 League was an active intervenour throughout both the New York R 7 State Siting Board hearings and the NRC construction license s j 8 hearings on Jamesport. O c[ 9 The avalanche of studies, Regulatory Guides, z h 10 revisions to 10 CFR, etc. from the NRC since the Three Mile 11 Island accident has been gratifying but not entirely soothing a j 12 to those of us who have been involved over a long period of 5 13 time over the nuclear power plant. ) l 14 I was going to address you on the Ten Mile EPZ 15 but some many people have done so, I would only like to read 16 one paragraph. j M b~ 17 For this paper, however, I use NUREG )771 (1), { 18 NUREG/CR2504, NUREG CR1856 as well as other references which E 19 g are noted in my paper. n 20 The Pilgrim plant in Massachusetts, however, has 21 a seasonal population similar to Shoreham's. In preparing 22 its time estimates (Included in Volume II of NUREG/CR 1856) (-) s._- 23 it separated its transient population into two parts, seasonal 24 residents and seasonal transients and provided specific numbers O. 25l of each. Now we would recommend that this be done for Shoreham. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
589 1 What will Shoreham's operating future be? Has (]) 2 the backfitting resolved all safety questions or was that 3 backfitting simply an Action Plan bandaid to permit continued (]) 4 construction at Shoreham? 5 our concern is that it might be difficult or maybe e 3 N h 6 impossible to determine exactly what Shoreham's specific design R 8 7 really is, making it vulnerable to long and expensive outages a{ 8 if something~ever did go wrong. Even minor problems might 0 c 9 be difficult to untangle if something did go wrong. io 10 We appreciate the many changes that have been E 11 made by the NRC since TMI. We hope that the NRC never again j 12 becomes defensive or complacent. E 13 We thank you for permitting the public to take {} l 14 part in this meeting. 2 15 JUDGE BRENNER: Dr. Grantham? g' 16 DR. GRANTHAM: I am Dr. Carol Grantham and I live W g 17 on Sand Avenue in the Town of Riverhead. I was a formal { 18 intervener in the Article 8003 Case for the Jamesport reactors. E 19 I represented the only two civic organizations in the Town 5 20 of Riverhead. 21 When we first began the question of the Jamesport 22 plants in 1972, LILCO held an information meeting to which p%) 3 23 we were invited and our high school was packed. That meeting 24 was the firs't time that it had come to us, the possibility 25 of nuclear power in this Town. I had no feeling one way or ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
590 1 the other pro or con. The meeting was so structured that o r~s (_) 2 LILCO gave us at the end of a long evening, exactly five 3 minutes to ask questions. My interest immediately was peaked () 4 and I must say some of the conduct here tonight, I would like e 5 to speak for them. We've had a long and bitter battle, always 5 h 6 accused of being emotional, always accused of being unfactual, R 7 always accused of speaking not for the public. 8 8 I think also you will notice tonight that even N dd 9 yet, the Town of Riverhead because they were more concerned h g 10 about their tax base than they were really about the safety = g 11 and health of their citizens, that we really had to speak B j 12 for them and finally won it. a (]} 13 I also concur with my friend over here from h 14 Amagansett, how many times we have sat in this very room, 2 15 day after day, after day, and quietly asked to be heard for E 16 g our very deep concern. If you wonder of our lack of trust w p 17 in your credibility, I remember very well a day in October N 18 1973 in the theater of Southamptom College starting on a little U 19 g platform with spotlights on us, very few women there, all t n 20 the experts from the NRC, from the utility, from the County 21 State Agencies, Mr. Uhl who is now the President of LILCO l 22 got up and announced to us, you are indulging in an exercise 23 of utter futility. I do not presume to quote him directly. 24 g-) This very week we have signed the contract with Bokum Industries V 25 to supply both Jamesport and Shoreham. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
591 1 That was in the fall of 1973 and having said that, m(_) 2 for that reason I would like to let you know that the depth 3 of our concern and our hope that you will give this every () 4 consideration and care because'I was an intervener. I was e 5 not a lawyer and I know what it meant to face that administrative 3 Nl 6 procedure which went on for almost ten years. R R 7 Anyway, I would like to make it very brief as M 8 8 to say this, we live in a very unique area. This Island is dc 9 only a 110 miles long, it's not 120 miles. I do have a io g 10 doctorate and I think I know what I'm talking about. It's g 11 not very wide, at the most 25 miles wide. The wind patterns k j 12 are unpredictable. I live on the sound. It can be northwest 5 f-) j 13 on one shore, southwest from the other. If you can predict \\_- m 14 the wind patter under those circumstances, and my family is C 15 one of the founding forefathers here and I speak with some g' 16 conviction. We were told in other hearings that you could w 6 17 predict ice condtions. I don't know as you gentlement were 5 18 on this Island last Tueday and Wednesday. I live on Sound = l H { 19 Avenue, an historic corridor which had something to do with l n 20 getting that designation. We could not get out of the driveway 21 from about mid-day Tuesday until mid-afternoon Wednesday, l 22 over 24 hours, more like 36 hours. What in heavens name may 23 I ask you if we had had to have been evacuated? 24 We were the one Town whose roads were officially 25 closed. The snowplows were stuck, the police were unable ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
592 1 to come to our assistance. No way could we have had any help. () 2 I also want to subscribe to you the fact, come 3 out here in the summertime. Our population goes up by at (]) 4 least a factor of two, it may be three. When I was testifying o 5 in that Article 8 hearing before the State Signing Board, 34 6 I said, how do you think at that point they call it evacuation? R 7 My friends, it's not evacuation. You are talking about notifi-M 8 8 cation and you hope that will work. Evacuation for us is d c[ 9 impossible. Impossible! zo 10 May I tell you what happens on a Sunday afternoon? 3 11 JUDGE BRENNER: Yes, you may and Dr. Grantham B g 12 if you could sum up? 5 13 DR. GRANTHAM: Yes. What I said very briefly h 14 at that hearing was, we can't go north to Long Island Sound, 2 15 there is one little ferry from Orient Point East. On the g 16 south the roads are totally inadequate. On the west is the e d 17 LIE. I facetious suggested that they go straight up and that { 18 would be our only hope, believe me, or jump in the river. F' 19 g So anyway, I would make it short as to say, we n 20 are unique, believe me we are. You really should take a look l 21 at this geography and its people and you also should remember 22 ,f S that we are not expendable. l %) 23 l JUDGE BRENNER: After Virginia Moore we will call 24 Betty Hoye, and then Myles Hoye and then Ted Strickroth. 25 I MS. MOORE: My name is Virginia Moore. I'm a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. l 1
593 1 professional science writer and I'm representing two organiza-(]) 2 tions. Does it sound all right? 3 JUDGE BRENNER: Yes. (]) 4 MS. MOORE: The Norfotk Audibon Society with 400 e 5 members and the 100 member Shelter Island Southhole Branch A N 6 of the American Association of University Women. R R 7 Surely the most surprising thing about these things n 8 8 on the Shoreham plant is that they are still to be held. Do d d 9 you actually propose to consider giving us a 15 or 20 year $g 10 old vessel, first designed in the 1960's for another plant g 11 filled with uranium from God knows where. Certainly it won't 3 p 12 come from Bokum Mine in New Mexico to which LILCO has lent 5 (~} j 13 78 million dollars, most of it against PSC Stipulation, without s-m ,E 14 seeing a single pound of yellow cake. 2 15 Do you propose to consider still licensing a plant g 16 with a 1000 per cent cost overrun whose corporate body has e d 17 been called close to insolvency, about whose top management l 5 18 the New York State Attorney General said at a rate hearing, = C 19 that they should be fired, and whose rates have doubled to g n 20 the single highest in the nation because of charges for this 21 construction and progress. 22 The NRC itself, including your Chairman, has shown 23 increasing signs of its own responsibilities to the public. 24 Do you really feel comfortable then, in confirming the plant's 25 evacuation plan to a 10 mile radius? That boundary ignores ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
594 1 the fact, for example, that my own community on the Sound (- 2 only 20 miles northeast of the Shoreham site will be directly G} 3 in its wind path every spring and summer. 4 When the wind shifts as it does every fall and [} e 5 winter, all the Hamptons will be in its path. Yet for us, M9 6 all it takes at present to create a major traffic jam o. all R R 7 our routes of escape is one holiday afternoon. M 8 You propose to pass it over yet little seems to dd 9 be evolve from the nuclear industry but compounded problems. 10 Three Mile Island Unit 2 with a minor valve malfunction, g 11 proceeded to release millions of curies of radioacticity and a j 12 is still hundreds of millions of dollars away from decontamina-5 13 tion. No faulty steam generators have shut down its companion l 14 unit for a year. l l t i 2 15 No. 1, the steam generators at Indian Point 3 16 are pitted. Millstone 2's shutdown was extended. Radioactive g e d 17 steam recently leaked from Vermont at Ginna, the latter s 5 18 producing a site area emergency. 5 { 19 The vessels of many reactors have becomed enbrittled n 20 with age much earlier than expected, rendering the more dangerous 21 But you know this continuing litany better than we do. It 22 began when 49 plants were cancelled, even before Three Mile O V 23 Island. Now the NRC is predicting the indefinite delay or i 24 cancellation of 19 more, leading the Atomic Industrial Forum 25 itself to admit that the nuclear beacon flickers. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
595' 1 Do you in fact even propose to stay in the nuclear r') 2 business, Judge Brenner? t 3 JUDGE BRENNER: Excuse me one moment. Go ahead, () 4 I'm sorry. e 5 MS. MOORE: Do you even propose to stay in the b 6 nuclear business? LILCO's plea that these plants can escape R 7 the high cost of imported oil is invalid, certainly for now, M j 8 and the respit gives time to investigate other means of producing dd 9 energy, so does the flattened demand for electricity. Last i h 10 year use rose a mere 0.3 per cent nationwide and for New Jersey's g 11 PSE & G it fell almost 1 per cent. It's not too late to get out. B j 12 A recent study for the Legislature by Washington E 13 {} State University showed that terminating two nuclear plants l 14 on which 7.6 billion dollars had already been spent, and 2 15 investing in comparable measures of conservation and renewable 5 16 g energy would actually save money. M l d 17 JUDGE BRENNER: Excuse me. We've run over the 5 { 18 5 minutes. I wonder if you could sum up? E 19 MS. MOORE: Sir, I have two paragraphs. g 1 n l 20 If.this plant at Shoreham is needed at all, we l 21 urge you to investigate terminating it as a nuclear facility 1 22 so that other means of generation can be substituted. That 23 ; will not only be immeasurably safer, it will avoid a threatened 24 rate payer revolt in response to LILCO's planned yet further Ci 25 increases for Shoreham, something that would promote default. l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
596 g The current issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic () 2 Scientist says that only 8 per cent of the citizen rate want 3 to see nuclear power production expanded. The same issue () 4 gives this quote, "There is something profoundly stupid about = 5 continuing to multiply a series' of engineering marvels that 2 N d 6 contain 15 billion curies of radiation." e 7 Gentlemen, you may decide to license this plant 8 8 after all, although we furvently hope you will not, but you N da 9 are not doctors who can revive a dying industry. You will ~i h 10 be more like mortitions. Think about that. E 5 11 Thank you. d 12 JUDGE BRENNER: Ms. Hoye. Does the Reporter need 3m a break? I would like to go through if we can. (-) y 13 G x E 14 MS. HOYE: My name is Betty Hoye. I'm from Shelter w 2 15 Island. 5 16 After Three Mile Island, the Presidential Kemeny BW G 17 Commission called the accident a predictable outcome of known 5 5 18 deficiencies and blamed the NRC for general complacency for 19 permitting a plant with so many pronounced safety defects 8n 20 to go into operation. 21 It indited the Agency for failure to fulfill its 22 responsibility for providing an acceptable level of safety 23 for nuclear power plants and recommended the five member f, 24 Commission be abolished. () 25 ' Instead President Carter made limited job changes ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
597 i which President Reagan upon taking office promptly reversed, (]) 2 reinstating the discredited Hendrie as Chairman to June of 1981. 3 The current Chairman, Nunzio Palladion has yet (J') 4 to upgrade the Regulatory Program and the backlog of major e 5 unresolved safety problems will take years to implement. b h 6 The Kemeny Commission was prevented by Carter's R 7 Excecutive Order No. 12130 of April llth, 1979 from addressing s 8 8 the overall safety defects of operating nuclear power plants dd 9 due to the Government's committment to nuclear power. President io 10 Reagan is even more adamant in this respect. E l 11 Writing in the Wall Street Hournal August 1981, S j 12 Peter Bradford, one of the five Commissioners had this to 5 /"% d 13 say, the current desire in the Administration in parts of (/ @ l 14 Congress to curtail the licensing progress is more likely 2 15 to shield the industry from some difficult questions than 5 j 16 to reduce nuclear licensing time. W d 17 Even after TMI which was licensed without adequate { 18 evacuation plans and with 14 open safety items needing tehenical e 19 evaluation, including safety apparatus to control the loss g n l 20 of cooling accidents caused by valve stuck open, you went l 21 right on to license Diablo which is built backwards. Obviously 22 f-) you will license anything. ~s l 23 In February you published your proposed policy 24 statement on safety goals for nuclear plants which reveals 25 you are more interested in the public's perception of safety ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. l
i ,598 1 than safety itself. You now propose to disregard " risks from () 2 routien emissions, from nuclear fuel cycle, from sabotage, 3 or from diversion of nuclear fuel, all of which are legitimate O concerns of the public. You'll' set an acceptable risk for (_j 4 e 5 us and suggest a benefit course guideline for making decisions U 6 on safety improvements of $1,000 man rem reverted. ^nji 7 Obviously it is cheaper to irradiate us! n' 8 8 The National Regulatory Commission, Peter Bradford x d d 9 said, was never designed to be an effective Regulatory System 7:c g 10 but was constituted for the same thing out of nuclear power g 11 plant construction permits or operating licenses. Therefore, ? j 12 the Regulatory process is in disarray. I should think so, o 13 with 133 generic unresolved safety issues acknowledged by (]) 14 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 40 of which rank in the l 2 15 highest priority category are problems to be solved but the l j 16 licensing goes on. l A p 17 Before you stamp out a shoreham license, you might 5 5 18 give some thought to the unresolved safety problems that this m 19 Agency knows exist at this illstarred plan and consider the g n 20 moral repercussions of allowing this plant to go on line when l 21 the emergency you most assuredly you create will automatically 22 er. trap the people of the east end. } 23 On March 3rd an evacuation drill was held at Indian l r~s 24 Point. After three years of planning and at a cost of 2.5 0 25 I million dollars, it reportedly still needs work. In other ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
599 1 words, it was a resounding flop. So bad, in fact, that it (]) 2 was boycotted by the firemen and the EMT's of Rockland County. 3 If a 10 mile area with unlimited access around the Town of (]) 4 Buchanan could not be successfully evacuated, just how do e 5 you expect to evacuate Long Island using the four available A. e 6 escape routes, one of which is an antique. R 8 7 NRC's own special inquiry group directed by A 8 8 Mitchell Rogorin agreed with the Kemeny report and charged dd 9 that the Agency fails to carry out its basic mission to assure iog 10 nuclear plant safety. Rogorin said that the NRC has done El 11 virtually nothing to carry out recommendations made in 1980 B j 12 as it is pre-occupied with licensing plans faster by, " expediting 5 g-y 13 things that make us uncomfortable." He said, no one would (_- m h 14 question whether there would be another accident. It's merely 2 15 a matter of when. j 16 w d 17 18 19 8* 1 l 20 21 () 23 () 25 l l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
600 .m I JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Hoy. O 2 mR. soy, You rea11y gu11ed a soner when you okayed 3 this site. You fellas really pulled a job. When it came time Q 4 for LILCO to ask you for a license, I wonder if you already 5 knew that there were four reactors within 40 miles of this l 6 area. Within 40 miles we have four reactors. And didn't you R E 7 know that the two of them are notorious for problems, and M 8 8 come to think of it, the one at Millstone operated with dirty d ci 9 fuel. You fellas let them. They operated with no rad waste s 10 a filter for five years. You fellas let them do it. 11 They put out emissions that rival Three Mile Island. is N I2 Until Three Mile Island showed up, Millstone was the top of sa 13 the list. And you know that this island is a one way street. h 14 You know that from previous testimony. E g 15 Did you know that we have a sacred cow in the area l m (( 16 named Brook Haven National Laboratory. It's a small reactor, as f 17 but if you compared the DEC reports on this, the only place m 18 you will find a DEC comparable is in West Valley; in other E I9 g words, the Peconic River almost lights up the way that Cataracas n 20 Creek does. 21 l So, we have a facility over there that puts out l 22 more radioactive garbage than most of the reactors in the state. 23 I And did you know, here is something else, that the five Eastern 24 towns have a hundred points more on their cancer deat.h rates 25 than does the rest of Suffolk County. Take for example, the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
_, 601 I cancer death rate of Suffolk County was, lets say, 163; well, (m,) 2 if you take the five in the Eastern towns, it's 263, and in 3 some towns it is even more than that, because that is only () 4 an average. Incidentally, this is only the raw scores, so I 5 don't want to get into technicalities, but these are consistent h 6 year after year. R 7 And finally, I think you probably know this, if you 8 8 give them a license, you will bless the good people of this d c; 9 area with a cancer that will never cure, and that.is it. zo h 10 Thank you. (Applause.) E \\ E II JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Strickroth. After Mr. Strickroth k y 12 Miss Spates, Evelyn Voulgarelis, and June King in that order. oa 13 Mr. STrickroth. h 14 MR. STRICKROTH: I am a carpenter from Acabog and g 15 when I build a house in Suffolk County there are five separate e y 16 independent inspections that are required. Something is wrong w h I7 if you license Shoreham without at least one independent inspect ios e 5 18 (Applause.) I9 g JUDGE BRENNER: Miss Spates here? n 20 MISS GIGI SPATES: My name is Gigi Spates. I am 21 here representing myself as a citieen, taxpayer. I am also 22 representing Merchant's Bay Audobon Society on the South 23 Shore of Long Island and also going up to North Shore, and 24 among our members I would like to point out that we have a number l 25 of Brook Haven Lab. members. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1
_.602 1 Although they may not all be against the nuclear power plant, ({} 2 we have all of them collectively gotten together enough to say 3 that we insist on a physical inspection of the Shoreham Nuclear (} 4 Plant. We insist that you people on the NRC will back that if e 5 LILCO resists, and we insist that you not license that plant bl 6 if you find that it is not safe, as we thing it is probably R 7 not. Ml 8 I would like to thank you for letting me speak tonight. dd 9 I would also like to thank all of the people here who have io 10 worked hard for many, many years not only on this plant but g 11 also on the Jamestown Plant. I have learned a great deal here B j 12 tonight. It has been a history lesson for me, and I think the. 5 13 other people who are new to this movement. l 14 I ask in conclusion that you three judges really' $0 15 open your ears. Please listen to us. We may not be experts, 5 g 16 but we do live here, and we do have rights to live safely and w p 17 healthfully here. Thank you. (Applause.) E M 18 MS. EVELYN..VOUGLARELIS : My name is Evelyn Vougarelis. Y 19 I am just speaking for myself and my kids, and I guess the 8n 20 neighbors that I have spoken to. Nobody wants the Shoreham 21 Plant. Nobody that I know of wants LILCO to do it or trusts 1 22 them to do it safely, and we would like you to listen to the 23 intervenors and to give them every courtesy every time they l 24 need it because we think they speak on our behalf or our O 25 legislators. Please listen to them. We want a physical ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
603 i l inspection. Thank you. (Applause.) () 2 JUDGE BRENNER: June King? 3 MS. JUNE KING: Good evening. My name is June King () 4 and I am a member of SHAD, and"I am also here as a Long Island 5 g resident. n h 6 I have lived on Long Island all my life, and I would R b 7 like to stay here. I believe my children will live on Long s 8 8 Island, and I hope that in the future it will be liveable. Od 9 And I must go on record as stating that I am unequivicolly ,zo 10 e opposed to Shoreham Nuclear Plant. I firmly believe that E 5 Il there is no such thing as a safe nuclear plant. (Applause.) B N I2 Peoph designed the plant and the systems. People 5a 13 built it. People may be operating it. People may be " disposing l 14 the waste from it." People are human and people sometimes make h 15 mistakes, and I cannot accept someone trying to sell me an = y 16 energy system that could involve a radioactive mistake. W h I7 To me, for anytone to try and sell this technology which creates x 18 a waste problem which no one has shown can be handled or con-P" 19 g tained effectively, and which will result in extremely radio-n 20 active material hanging around for God knows how long, for 2I anybody to try to promote this to me is absolutely incredible. 22 fg I have one paragraph that I would like to read. I V 23 am sure that a lot of you are familiar with this article by 24 Demitrius Basdekas. O I 25 There is a high, increasing likelihood that some ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
604 I day soon through a seemingly minor malfunction at any of a (]) 2 dozen or more nuclear plants around the United States, the 3 steel vessel that houses the radioactive core is going to crack (]) 4 like a piece of glass. Now, this man says that there is a e 5 increasing likelihood, and this person is a reactor safety h 6 engineer with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Thank you. R 7 JUDGE BRENNER: Sophia Adler. After her we will _ M j 8 have Dave Markell and then Lynn Buck. d d 9 MS. SOPHIA ADLER: My name is Sophia Adler. I live io g 10 in the town of Southhold on the South Fork and I am a member 11 of the Suffolk Opponents of Nuclear Exposure. I would like k j 12 to give some idea of our area. 5 (-] ay 13 Stretching East from Riverhead are two little narrow %s h 14 peninsulas separated by the Peconic and Gardner's Bays. It 15 is know today as the East End. Walt Whitman, if you want to y 16 know, the Poet, termed this area the fishtail of the 120 mile w d 17 long fish shapedPaumonauk Island with its head near the island l Y l 5 18 of Manhattan. 1 = I 19 g The half tail which ends at Montauk Point is known t n 20 as the South Fork. A half tail which ends at Orient Point is 21 known as the North Fork. The Township of Southold, which 22 7s occupies most of the North Fork was settled in 1640 by a small \\_) 23 band of hardy colonists seeking religious freedom. 24 i 7,s Up until the present time, many of her descendents (J 25 ! have flourished on this fertile strip of land as farmers, l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
605 i fishermen, and seamen of repute. The area remians almost 2 untouched by civilization or urban ills. ('] 3 Still grounded in historic tradition in an epic of 4 staunch, self reliance, neighborliness, work skills, the small {} g 5 farms are meticulously groomed. The farmhouses and churches N 8 6 are lovingly maintained. e 7 over the past century, farmers and fishermen of 8 more recent European migrations have also enriched the North 0d 9 Fork. Beginning with early spring, the farms stands at the z' h 10 side of the roads offer the passerby first their bunches of 3 5 11 asparagas. Then sweet peas. Then strawberries. Later, the d 12 full gamut of fruits and vegetables through the summer until Ec d 13 the year is crowned with huge heads of cabagges, cauliflower, i<E E 14 bro:holi, pumpkins on the stands until hard frost takes the w 2 15 countryside. W 16 At its closest--excuse me. We who live here B M d 17 thank God that so precious a corner of thuworld exists. At 18 its closest, the Township of Southold is about 17 miles east b 19 of Shoreham. Last week the town board of Southold went on 8n 20 record to support the independent inspection of theShoreham 21 Nuclear Plant. We do not accept the view that we are serfs 22 in bondage to LILCO, Shoreham or the NRC. de were never O 23 consulted as to whether we wanted Shoreham. We are suffering i 24 from an intolerable tyrany in the imposit.. sn into our community 25 of this dangerous plant. (Applause.) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
.,606 1 We do not look forward to a future of cringing in O 2 ene enedow or suorenem'= me1ruactious, or tieteatas for the 3 announcement that tells us that we must flee. for our lives. 4 We do not want to be evacuated'. We do not want to leave our e 5 homes and the countryside, a countryside made unihabitable b 6 by radioactive fallout. After years of revelations of nuclear R 7 accidents and barely averted disaster at Three Mile Island a 8 and Rancho Secol and Diablo Canyon and Brown's Ferry and now d ci 9 the revelations of the reactor report some of which was read 10 to you a few minutes ago featured in the New York Times of 11 March 29th which warns of imminent core meltdown conditions is y 12 in some 40 nuclear plants and specified the Yankee plants E g j 13 nearby. After these kind of revelations, we believe it is V m l 14 criminal for the NRC to insist on foisting this deadly threat g 15 into our community. (Applause.) a: y 16 JUDGE BRENNER: Ms. Adler, I wonder If you would sum us l !j 17 it up. 5 { 18 MS. ADLER: I will. That plant must not be licensed E 19 g to involve us forever thereafter, our children, our children's n 20 children, in its deadly, sordid tentacles. In the name of 2I morality, stop Shoreham now. Put it to a vote. Give the 22 people a chance to choose. 23 We are not serfs or cattle going unreuisting to 24 the slaughter. We will fight for our lives. Thank you. (Appla ase L.) 25 JUDGE BRENNER: Is Mr. Martel here? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
607 1 Lynn Buck? (]) 2 LYNN BUCK: I am Lynn Buck of Hampton Bays. I 3 yielded my five minutes to Legislator Wayne Prospect who (\\ /'l 4 said it all far better than I could. thank you. (Applause.) e 5 JUDGE BRENNER: Fred Adler? h 6 MR. ADLER: My name is Fred Adler. I speak for R 7 myself, my children, my grandchildren and those among my n 8 8 friends who might agree with me. Od 9 The Resolution for an independent inspection of 10 the Shoreham Nuclear Plant which our Suffolk County Legislature y j 11 passed this moning implies a few lessons which you may want Bj 12 to think about. Lesson No. 1, after long exposure to the S 13 pros and cons of the record, it is not possible to
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14 and it was not possible for the legislators, and they did not { 15 agree with the sentiments expressed today until very recently e ] 16 it became impossible to avoid the conclusion that the NRC e d 17 and LILCO are bankrupt of credibility, regarding the need { 18 for the safety of the Shoreham plant and that or the safety E 19 g of Shoreham Plant, and it is now necessary for us the people n 20 to take it into our own hands in order to defend our lives, 21 property and piece of mind. (Applause.) 22 Lesson No. 2, after similarly long exposure to the G 23, pros and cons of the record, it is impossible not to see that 24 the condition of impotence and powerlessness which has been O 25 imposed on the people by the NRC and the utility is nothing i l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
608 1 less than tyrany. Our legislature by its action has restored /m ') 2 (_ our faith in democracy, and the power it gives us to put an 3 end to your oppressive nuclear domination. (Applause.) (]) 4 Lesson No. 3, the a'ction by our legislature is 5 y evidence that these men or any men of good conscience will 9 6 finally when confronted with the truth put aside narrow self R
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special interests and rise to a moral level needed to defend 3 8 8 the general good. In this connection we take heart that your d m; 9 colleague who has been quoted today, Dr. Demetrious Basdekas 5 h 10 an NRC reactor safety engineer like our legislature has indeed = Il faced the truth and his revelation is published in the New a f I2 York Times on March 29th, has indited you and the utilities a (~j) y 13 for what in sum are the charges of criminal negligence and ~ a E 14 g reckless endangerment. = { 15 We recommend that you follow the moral example of x E I0 our own legislators and your own colleague. When you return, W as I am sure that you will be anxtious to get away for a weekend = 18 or so, when you return to Washington, tell President Reagan = I9 8 that as men of good consciences you cannot return to your duties n 20 until your act has been cleaned up and until youcan announce 2I and implement in good faith a credible policy that public 22 {) safety and health takes precedence over all other considerations 23 that the burden of proof rests with the NRC and the utilities 24 that this proof must be open to the scrutiny of the people 25 l and their representatives and we really believe, and I think ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
609 1 4 today might be a turning point at least for Suffolk County, ({) 2 and the realization has dawned on many of us, that the time 3 has at last come that the proof which we require of you and (]) 4 the utilities be submitted for' approval to a ballot in a e 5 county in which the facility is to be licensed. @] 6 Because of the unique and inherent dangers to we G 7 the people presented by this technology, anything less than s j 8 approval by ballot is less than democracy, and the people will d c 9 oppose it. If you have an opportunity to speak to the Presideat i C g 10 you can sum it up in his own words, tell the president to get z= g 11 the government off our backs. ( Applause. ) k j 12 JUDGE BRENNER: Well on that note we are going to E 13 get off each other's backs for five minutes and take a brief ) l 14 recess. We will come back after five minutes. 2 15 W j 16 e 6 17 M 18 E" 19 8n 20 21 () 23 () 25 : ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
6 10 / ] JUDGE BRENNER: We are not going to use the same (} 2 list of names and just continue with it tomorrow night because 4 3 that would just be unfair with people closer to the other (]} 4 location who are going to come and sign up. m 5 Wha.t we will do is this. We are going to be in U 6 the evidenciary hearing for many, many days here as I said Rg 7 previously, in the Riverhead area, for most of the hearing, n 8 8 right here in this room, in fact. d d 9 Normally when we start the evidenciary hearing Mog 10 we don't continue the public appearance sessions but because 5l 11 of the large number of people what we do is the hearings will B j 12 be running Tuesday through Friday generally. They will be 5 13 in this room. They will be running the week of May 4th. There l 14 will then be a recess and we will then pick up the week of 2 15 May 25th, during the day, it's a Tuesday. E j 16 However, people who wish to make limited appearances e d 17 can simply come into the Hearing Room and make that known M 18 at about five o' clock or a few minutes before. We will be k 19 able to accomodate up to about four people a day. The hope gn 20 is since we will be there so many days, that not everybody 21 will come on the same day. 22 We'll start with May 26th which will be a Wednesday, 23 I hope. We won't take any appearances the first week of May 24 4th but starting May 26th, and the reason I say the 26th is V 25 that we will be in another room on the 25th. Starting on ( ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC. i
611 1 the 26th and thereafter through June on a Tuesday through (]) 2 Thursday schedule-- 3 All right, we won't be able to get to everybody (]) 4 tonight. Tomorrow night we are going to start with a new e 5 list for those people who sign up in Hauppauge. In order h 6 to accomodate people who make their public appearance statements R 7 who we cannot get to tonight and tomorrow night, during the X j 8 evidenciary which will be in this room and starting with d c[ 9 May 26th--The hearing will start before that but for public G 10 appearance purposes, starting with Wednesday, May 26th and 11 then thereafter Tuesday through Thursday, we won't have time { 12 on Fridays but Tuesday through Thursday, people who wish to S r~s g 13 have up to five minutes to make their statements and again (_) = h 14 I emphasize written statements of any reasonable length will 5 15 be accepted in addition to the statements. It's not either g 16 or, you can do both. If you will come into this hearing room e d 17 at approximately 5:00 or a few minutes before, we will ask { 18 whether there is anybody there to make a public appearance P } 19 statement. If so, we will take the statements. We will adjourn A l l 20 the evidenciary hearing a little early on days when there 21 are people here to make statements and we will take the statement. 22 g-) I don't know if we can take you exactly at 5 but at a convenient U 23 break, 5:00 or 5:15, perhaps as late as 5:30. It may vary 24 l from day to day. We will permit up to five minutes and we 25 I will permit a maximum of up to four or five people each day. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
612 1 We are going to do what we just announced and O 2 for n w that's as far as we will go. There will be many, 3 many, hearing days of opportunity. It seems that you will Q 4 be able to pick your own day and it will be easily accessible, e 5 Eena May Franz? h h 6 MS. FRANZ: My name is Eena May Franz and I'm R 8 7 here this evening as a tax payer and homeowner from Shoreham. A] 8 I live about two miles from Shoreham nuclear power plant. dd 9 I'm here also as a chemist. I work in the fields of nuclear b 10 and radio chemistry for twenty-two years. That means I've { 11 been dealing with radioactive materials, namely fishing products, is j 12 uranium, plutonium for a long time. S 13 I certainly have a healthy respect for radiation l 14 but I know that if dealt with properly it is nothing to be 15 afraid of. Having been in the field for such a long time, 16
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613 1 power production of Long Island and favor also Long Island's O 2 economy. 3 Judging by the peoples' comments made here tonight, Q 4 if people really want something to worry about, they should o 5 worry about and put their energies into doing something about h h 6 a matter much more dangerous than a nuclear power plant could R 7 ever be, namely the stockpiling of nuclear weapons. Nl 8 JUDGE BRENNER: Mr. Antenucci? d d 9 MR. ANTENNUCCI: I am Arthur Antenucci from Shelter
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We are one of the dead end people out there. In 11 case that lady doesn't know it, uranium produces plutonium is j 12 which is quite a bad thing. I think she ought to check out 5 13 her chemistry book again. 14 I heard a lot of testimony here tonight from a 15 lot of learned people and a lot of knowledgeable people. I've j 16 said the same thing because I'm not good in front of people, as d 17 audiences. j W { 18 The thing I would like to address the WASH 740 l E 19 g Update. The theoretical possibilities and consequences of n 20 major accidents in large nuclear power plants. This was the 21 official report made during the 1960's by the Atomic Energy 22 p Commission and prepared at the Brook Haven National Laboratories. U 23, It projects for a major nuclear accident, 45,000 deaths, 24 100,000 injuries. This is a Class 9 event according to you V i 25 ' people. An event is 45,000 deaths, 100,000 injuries. I can't ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
614 1 believe you were actually sitting here deciding upon whether O 2 to gue this thing on 11ne. Est1 meted grogerty eemeges very 3 anywhere from 17 billion dollars to 280 billion dollars. I ] 4 find this whole thing an afront'to my being a human being. e 5 That's all I have to say. U 6 JUDGE BRENNER: Kathy McGowan? R 7 MS. MCGOWAN: I would like to give my time to N 8 8 Jock McCrystal. d ci 9 JUDGE BRENNER: Fine. 10 MR. MCCRYSTAL: I would like to thank Ms. McGowan. 11 She's the Local Public Document Room Librarian. My name is is N 12 Jock McCrystal. 5 13 Gentlemen, I would like to go on record saying l 14 that the Shoreham Power Plant is unsafe. All of you Judges l { 15 are new to this hearing and have not had a chance to meet a: 16 to build the six or seven years of case load that has gathered g i I 6 17 around this hearing. There are significant problems with h 18 this plant including an artesian well directly under the primary E 19 g containment. n 20 In 1976 the NRC Staff asked LILCO if they could 21 obtain more data about this well and local refused to comply 22 saying that the well was directly under the primary containment 23 l wall which would prohibit setting up directly over the well l 24 and so obtaining new engineering data would not be feasible. U 25 ' The drywell head flange was cracked by bad labor ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
615 1 practices. It overheated in the post heat weld treatment. {]) 2 They had to take out a piece such that instead of being four 3 quarters, the piece ended up in five pieces. I have a picture 4 of it. [} It was noted in Inspection and Enforcement Report o 5 74-08. It was also mentioned in Inspection Report 75-01, b 4 6 75-04, and 75-08. m R l g 7 The history of the power plant contains many, s j 8 many defects. I'm going to look through a list real quick. Od 9 JUDGE BRENNER: Do you have the written list in g 10 addition? E g 11 MR. MCCRYSTAL: I do have the written list here. B j 12 JUDGE BRENNER: When you are done if you could 5d 13 leave that list with the Reporter. CE) h 14 MR. MCCRYSTAL: Yes, no problem. t 2 15 s j 16 ^ d 17 5 18 19 5 20 21 () 1 23, 24 () 25 ' f ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. l
616 i MR. MCCRYSTAL: So besides the plant's problems 2 illustrated by the well and the cracked drywell lead flange. 3 other problems include: 4 The thin walls in the main steamline pipes, I Q 5 & E Inspection 74-03. e h N 6 Extensive deep voids and honeycombs in reactor e etg 7 pedestal. I & E Inspection 74-06, 7407, 74-08. M 8 8 The concrete batch plant and the concrete, it dd 9 mode not adequately supervised and not conforming to ACI 301. i h 10 I & E Inspection 74-09. E { 11 That actual practices such as dropping the concrete is j 12 6 feet which resulted in some segregation is a violation of 5d 13 ACK # 301-72, Section 803 (c) which states in part that concrete fsGB 14 shall not be subjected to any procedure which will cause 2 15 segregation. I& E Inspections 73-03. s 16 I find that a lot of the problems around Shoreham j us (( 17 were resolved in a paperwork fashion. In other words, work n l M 18 was not done to standard and often resulted in a problem where E 19 instead of re-change the work as is, they changed the specifi-gn 20 cations for the work. I would like to see the independent 21 study which I hope you gentlemen will decide that needs to 22 be done. I can't understand why at this point in the hearing 23 process that has been going on for almost ten years, we have 24 to accelerate and sprint through it in the next six months. 25 It seems to me that this is what needs to be done. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
617 1 The list of what goes on at Shoreham and what (}) 2 has gone on through the years is open for anybody. It is 3 an absolute shame. I ask Judge Carpenter as a person that (]) 4 has a background in oceanography, Long Island is an island. e 5 Our water is already polluted. This is not the only problem 6 we have. We have insecticides in the water, we have an R 7 unbelievable problem with storage of drinking water. We have aj 8 problems with drought. The Shoreham Plant or the area nuclearized d d 9 by Shoreham will not help, not all. I think that because 10 of the well underneath the reactor building, this problem g 11 needs another identification. M y 12 Absolutely. things like..the.CRAC,1all of.this which 5 13 r} has.become available in the.last'few. weeks only needs to be 14 done. 2 15 You yourself, Judge Brenner, asked is it a probabili-E y 16 ty number, or a dose number, or a multivaluable function of w 6 17 dose overtime in March or what. s 18 JUDGE BRENNER: I asked that at the pre-hearing 19 g for the rest of the people here. n 20 Mn, MCCRYSTAL: That's correct. I would like l 21 to know myself if this CRAC Code includes a body camp because 22 I believe that Shoreham will now function. I believe that b(~, i l 20 all the problems that LILCO and the NRC have identified have 1 i 24 been taken as a single instance and assume that the engineering G 25 l in the rest of the plant was perfect, this single instance 1 l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
618 I will not be a weak link in the chain. However, there are 0 2 hundreds, end hundreds of week 11nx, in the chein end this 3 leads to a bad situation, whereas there has been no multiple Q 4 analysis of what could happen if multifunctions failed at 5 once at Shoreham. This has got to be part of the independent j 6 inspection. I would like to see all the DCO's, all the NR's, R 7 all the NND's, all the ENDCR's, all the FDDR's included in Al 8 this inspection. I would like to see the people at the plant d c; 9 have to be reviewed. I would like to know why there is such zo 10 an acceleration of the hearing at this point. 11 You, gentlemen, are all new to the hearing. All is j 12 of you are here not less than a year between any of you. I 5 13 feel that the NRC have shortchanged me. They took away the l 14 people familiar with the case who knew what was happening { 15 and given me new people. I think that's very unfair. x 16 J I find the NRC methodology very, very, unfair. as ,$i 17 I made several allegations in 1979. x { 18 JUDGE BRENNER: Excuse me, Mr. McCrystal. You've E 19 g gone over the five minutes. I wonder if you could sum it t a 20 up and then I want to ask you something when you are done? 21 MR. MCCRYSTAL: Okay. 22 My final summation is, sir, nobody else in this 23 room may hold you personally accountable but I tell you, Shoreham 24 goes on line, and there is a mistake, I will be at your back V 25 door. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
619 1 JUDGE BRENNER: Sir, if you culd get back here O 2 I would like to ask you something. You went through the 3 list of inspection reports too quickly for me to get it this O 4 time but will have the transcript available. m 5 MR. MCCRYSTAL: I made the list available to the 5l 6 Court Reporter. R 7 JUDGE BRENNER: As you may know since you were s j 8 at the last pre-hearing, we are going to hear extensive testimony d C 9 on the quality assuranco and quality control or lack thereof Eg 10 during the construction of the plant. I don't know if you E 11 have made your list available to the experts who are going is N 12 to testify for the County and for the Shoreham opponents' 5 13 Coalition-- h I4 MR. MCCRYSTAL: I'm well acquainted with SOC 15 Attorneys and Suffolk County people. j 16 JUDGE BRENNER: So to the extent they think your us li 17 testimony is worthwhile, we will be getting it in testimony N { 18 also, I assume. E l9 g MR. MCCRYSTAL: Also, I would extend my own n 20 experience observing the public record at the local public 21 document room which I think is extensive. I believe that 22 if you take a good look at the record, you will find that 23 not only has LILCo failed to comply, they have often dodged 24 the issue and tried to stay out of the eyes of the Regulators. 25 i JUDGE BRENNER: My point is that in order for ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
620 1 us to get it directly on the evidenciary record, it is helpful (') 2 when it can be channeled through the expert witnesses. You t-3 say you are acquainted with the Attorneys for those people? (]) 4 MR. MCCRYSTAL: Yes. e 5 JUDGE BRENNER: Next, Mr. William Campo. After h h 6 Mr. Campo we will here from Dorothy Wolosin and then Leah R 7 Seider in that order. M 8 8 Mr. Campo? dd 9 MR. CAMPO: Thank you. My name is Leon Campo g 10 and I'm Chairman of the People's Action Coalition, a coaltion 5 g 11 of civic, taxpayer, and community associations throughout B j 12 Suffolk County. 5 ("] 13 The basic question as we see it is how concerned V l 14 are you for the health'and safety of the people of Long Island. 2 15 How concerned are the private profit monopoly interests for E j 16 the health and safety of the people of Long Island. It's e p 17 a two barrel question. 18 A few years ago the Ford Motor Company produced E 19 an exploding automobile. Only after the loss of life were g n 20 millions of the those dangerous vehicles recalled. 21 Not too long ago, the Firestone Company, another 22 testimony to American Science as some others made reference ( 23, to earlier, built and sold an exploding tire. Once again, i 24 only after the loss of life were millions of these life taking fsU 25 devices taken off the market. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
621 1 Now the question is, how many lives must be lost (]) 2 before LILCO admits its error at Shoreham. 3 Jack Welch is the new chairman of General Electric. (]) 4 As you know, as we know, General Electric has supplied most e 5 of the obsolete equipment which comprises the Shoreham Plant. U 6 APParently he has arrived at his moment of truth for GE. GE R 7 will abandon the nuclear field in favor, and this is Mr. Welch's n[ 8 word, safer technologies. I quote directly from Mr. Welch, dd 9 "We, meaning GE, will phase out of nuclear except for service, i~ h 10 fuel, and R & D within the decade." You see Shoreham is GE's 3 5 11 last Edsel to role off the line. -I will not buy it. j 12 How concerned are you for the health and safety S (~) g 13 of the public of Long Island. We can judge you best by the \\/ m l 14 fruits of your actions. 2 15 Recently in the New York Times there was a story 5 y 16 and a reference to an NRC Report. The Times Article indicates W t' 17 the caption, Tubes at 48 Plants Assailed. Weak Steam Generator M 18 Tubes in 40 commercial nuclear units are virtually impossible E 19 g to fix and are causing higher operating costs and radiation I 20 exposure. The NRC Staff Report, this is dated February of 21 1982 says the tube problem in more than half the nation's 22 nuclear units is also repsonsible for about 23 per cent of 3 l s-) 23 nuclear plant shutdowns that are unrelated to scheduled 24 refueling. f-25 ! The report also raises the possibility that tube ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
622 1 ruptures in more than one generator at a plant could cause (] 2 inaffective reflooding of the radioactive core which in turn 3 could lead to melting, a melt down, of the uranium fuel. ] 4 If we are to judge you by your work, you licensed e 5 and approved these plants. We are going to judge you, not hl 6 by your words but by the fruit of your labor. We have every R 7 reason to believe that our safety and our welfare will be n[ 8 sacrificed for the benefit of the local monopoly. O c 9 Isn't it time that we begin to recall irreparable b 10 corroded, mutli-billion dollar nuclear fleet which represents E j 11 a hazard to every American. is y 12 The Suffolk County Legislature by unanimous vote 5 m, 13 declared its intent, we hope committment to secure a full V h 14 independent physical inspection of all major critical operational 2 15 and safety systems of the Shoreham Nuclear Plant. Such action i j 16 reflects the will of the citzenry who understand that the us d 17 local nuclear project in its faulty design and construction E { 18 represents a threat to the health and well being of the people P h 19 of Long Island. n 20 You, as Representatives of the NRC and as such l 21 of the Federal Government, are asked to withhold granting 22 g of a temporary or permanent license to operate Shoreham until i V 23 the results of this inspection have been tabulated. 24 Shoreham is a 65 million dollar project that grew O, l 25 I into a 2.5 billion dollar nightmare. A project which is ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
623 1 questioned from both economic and safety perspectives, a project 2 which has experienced to some public accounts, the grinding {) 3 of nuclear pipe, of implementation of contradictory construction 4 drawings, and of use of faulty plumbing stuffed into under-e 5 sized compartments. A9 6 The Federal Government in its accelerated schedule R M 7 of Shoreham Licensing hearings is dictating its nuclear will s l 8 to the citizens of this Island who insist in the same breath d c 9 that this Covernment was conceived to insure our right to 10 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and not to deprive E 5 11 the citizens of those rights. M J 12 JUDGE BRENNER: Just bind in the statement. 3= d 13 C)E 14
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bb doD._,. _f MS. DOROTHY WOLOSIN: dqrkors over the yo 's an7o s :tod 2.at Ihqrchan la a slopry job... StatemezQs about weldorc u <ild. 't s m to kn g what t.. v were coing, fo en who knew uheb @c URG incpect:rs were due o arrive \\ and simply pa 4ed up alread; pocr g eh are commen. 26 {}, ).ccording to the Newsd2v carie: en t'.ie plant, in the Spring of 1981, the NRC rated the plinta design and engineering quality as below average for atomic conccruction projects. 21 ({) Part of the problem with Shoreham was Lilco 's decision to employ the services of.Stp_nJp_& Vabs_ter as the design crchetects and overall managers of the project. Illco 's dealings with the firm is adequate covered by the Newsdav series so there is no need to repeat it here,17 Eowever, it should be noted that Stone & Webster 's history in the field of nuclear engineering, at times, (leaves much to be desired. In 1979, the NRC ordered five reactors including one vark I BVR) closed because they were designed with a faulty computer model used to determine stresses during earthquakes. This faulty model was designed by a subsidiary 9f Stone & Webster, Inc. The shocking thing is that while the comnanv droceed this faulty model in 1072 they,in failed to notil'y the NRC of the decisi' n until seven years 1ater ~~ ~ o ~~ YRTTras not V6Fy happy and' ' rdire'd Tn investigaticn' inEo~ 1979. The c cne matter. 60 t.hile the Newsday series is certainly the most comprehensive one on the plant,to cate, it is nog the only nedia commentary on the plant 's construction problens.>9 An article in the New Ycrk Daily Eeus seems to put it into concise perspective : (" Shoreham 's construc tion his tory is dotted ] with wiring and cable snafu 's and it 's plague of welding foulups seems even more astounish-ing. In January 1978 inspections of 408 welds on crucial plant safety systems revealed 82 that were unacceptable. These had still not been repaired in May, when the NRC ordered Illco to retrain all its quality control inspectors. L1 Augus t and again in Sep tember, the Commission found another rash cf poor welds. 22 A relatively common problem for many operating nuclear plants is that numerous cracks develoo in var.ious. pipe.s_and nozzles often at the result of cy_clic-the.rm.al_stresse_s.
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type of interim repair it qmphasizes that a relatively small amount of metal has been removed.43 However, the agency cautions taat: repair by welding buildup of the grindcut has not been demonstrated to be acceptable. 24 Cyclic-thermal s tre s s e n, are thene c reasec induced in metal as a result Of tempera tre chsncec. U 1cd40D\\DE = l dI
It che c d :. 2 nec;J. ;h:; fac rehr-ic, 'c rien opera:ing yot and accordin; :o en; :'s., s c. : - r, c r i e s - ....:cidin:,.'.a:crisi.ac at,d to build up pd . Clo ty pipe af tcr i ua. grocnd do:m ao thin it tic:. tad : afacy rules. O dith the discovery of the far:sd "Southold Town Ocmn uo cuments " p in lo70 cimilar concern uas expressed by co;.retent in'diciduals who reviewed scme of the invc1ved documents. v-the attitude through the documents is one of "Iet 's just sand it smooth and pass it on... " 6 0 It 's nore than a question of faulty welding and Shcrehan 's "re-manufactured-in-the-cellar" safety pipe which is in doubt. Rebars are reinfcrcement bars in concrete which are not su,pr:osed to be hit or cut since the tensile strength may be reduced nowever, one reviewer of the reports dealing with rebars at Shoreham dryly notes : In one document, in ten incorrect tries to make a hole, seven robars are hit. 60 k.d waera-pray toll-are Lilco 's quality control inspectors ? Ch, just stumbling around in the dark sonewnere... Last March /1070/, an inspector from the URC,stur. bled on a Lilco quality control p inspector shocking key wire connections v to the control room of the Shorehan plant. 2he Lilco inspector didn't seem to know what he was doing. After several questions, the NRC dnvestigator discovered the Lilco insuector didn't know the kind or size of the' wiring he was supposed to be checking. 26 In Mav o f 1078 the NRC ordered Lilco to retrain all its qualitv concr'oTin5c~ict'6i's,. Cne wonders what ;;:ood it did s ince three.onths ~ ^ ~later-in August and again in deutenber of that same year-the NRC found anotner rash of poor welds. 22 It should be remembered that this has cone from the NRC, an agency which itself has been strongly criticized in its $nspection l program by a. wide range of organizations -- including the rederal bovernnents own no-nonsense watchdog agency-- the General Accounting Office. 27 .f '". a nd j... ir.t$ ". 7rd" c d fd esined 4ren 5.'r. e r d s !..': 3.,M.
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hnr qa.? uch as it did the import-nnce of the previcualy unr.icc.e. "Sar-hc?.. Sm..p.q:p.fc..cumentq. " g O inese wers a ccrton cf c thoustni or so encineering recerts-- E00 or_,so.,h e [thesi~..layp.ci "':u :la c y sf ty deladd 7. which ws5 discovered, ~- __in the douthp2.d Dyp.W.::p..in th0 atrin o f ' 070 Anytino thor 3 is a problen, sven a minor O' one, an Insincer ng and Design Coordination Recort is filled out. Sene show that the plant is being built differently from the way it was designed on paper. Others indicate welds not tested, and pipe supports not ins-talled as designed. Most seem to describe the minor adjustments that must be made in any huge construction project. 20 Lilc_p__evertu.eng4_ ta_h.ay3_pr_o'olens Joing_b_a. sic,,and e.s sential :-- tests. One statement buried in an evaluation of a repaired weld done in 1975, states that: the evaluation of t$e subject report indic-ates potential Section XI preservice and/or service inspection difficulties considering that ultrasenic exanination is the basic 1 volumetric inspection method for utility compliance. 30 La 1c30 the NRC 'rinally did conduct an investigation of Shoreham after a ceries of allocations m.ade by a former worker at the site. ( dhile, the "inspectien" found all of the allegations without basis 31 several points need to be made. .; ut. pse 4 (.. dhu (Owedi) b Cne, reading the offical report glies a good indication of how the NRC inspection program " works " and why it has been severely crit-1 icized as incompe tent.'-I7he NRC condup_ tea this insp_ection_ by going over the c.ompanys _own cuality control record _s_, talking to various people in the company and at the site, and even made some visual inspection: an NRC inspector visually exanined all N-11 piping not covered by insulation and found no signs of " linear indications" but a large number of ground cut areas as expected... i lhe NRC determined that the " cracks " in the main steam line as reported in the allegation were in all probablity a misinterpretation of normally cccuring seams and laps... 32 "...no t cove red by insula tion...were in all probablity... " are 7g (,j certainly very reassuring statements from an agency which is entrusted tith the resronsibility.tc crotect nublic health and safety. () n% s,- l 83
Sacondly it baco7es apearant that a larga portion of this invost-igation cons,isted of the NRC reviewing the company 's cun quality control records. If Lilco has had its quality control incpectors stumbling around uncertain of enactly what they arc looking for /~3 (see quote on page k) one can't but c.uestien the validity of the (/ plcnc 's quality control records. Finally, it should be noted that similar allegations were made at abouc the same timo by a private investigator at Shercham 's sister O plant, Zimmer, in Ohio. 'Ihe NRC conducted a similar investigation nere and came up uith the same initial conclusion as Shoreham-- the allegations are uithout basis. 33 Un' like Shoreham, critics of Zimmer persisted and a second NRC investigation conducted last year found numerous faults and resulted in a pro ' time.... posed 3200,000 fine for the utility-- the largest at that hbybe, the NRC inspectors bothered to check under the insulation this time... 3h This is not to say that all of the defects at Shoreham are as a result of the workers at the site. Newsday's series detailed the oroblems encountered with defective nine celivered by the manufacturer. During 1972-3 two recirculation inle't nozzles (parts of the reactor ) were also found to have, defeat: and repai?cd. Prior to this, a recirculation outlet nozzle was also found to have a defect and it also una repaired. 35 Uo matter how one loo,ks. a_t_ib,_,Shoreham is already an "old," reactor casign and there have been difficulties bringing it up to I;acconcolv modern st_andards. A s ampler : ) /Shoreham/ cannot fully mee t the require-ments for two separate electrical systems to run the plant, ordered by the NRC af ter a $100-million fire in 1075 at the Browns Ferry plant in Alabama knocked out key safety controls. 36 Die olan t..ha s, als o. no t,.be.en.. able to ecmplotely meet une require-ments _.to eliminate certaip_cr.acks. discovered in_s.tainless s teel. pipe,s. In a letter from the NRC to Illco in 1978, the agency states that "... the s taff has concluded that steps should be taken to eliminate this condition. " 37 Ho wever, in the apparant rush to get Shoreham operating, in Sept-ember lo81, the NRC now states a somewhat different position : although it was not possible for the O applic an't to make all the modifications recommended...the applicant has taken significant action. 38 (m_) I 13 interestine te ncte that in the initial Safety Evalua tien .bport, dated april'1c91, the H.00 advises gilcothat "addi t iencl asticas may be epnreprinte...in rhis area. 3c 0, u (, [, iH
.I i decent 1;, the liC.w; axures.:.% y ne e ncer. Ove" incidents which have occured in e we opere.:ir4 c.u nt.ar pla..cz which 7cw indicate that the embrit tlenen: archlem (cr recc or matal boccming brittle O4 frca radiation exposuis'whi:h eculd 1:ud : tnc altimrct NRC night-mare - complete core meltdctn) it e.ert zoricus than cri-inally thought...hile ;he problem is nect rnar; is _miats it a concern for all reac tors._3hercham, however7..hns_ gj en panted.libertl exemptions,. in this area x Since Shoreham was built to earlier' pre-IMI standards some of the exemptions to current requirements are erobably justified. However, there are others which seem to be based on political expediency (ge t that plant operating... ) more than any other factor-- especially, when later NRC statements on the issue centradict earlier ones. NRC guidelines state that when a reactog_is cuerating_,there. arg certain crecautions (temuerature and cressurel which must be main- ~ ta _in e_d to ensure adequate ___ safety _ margin against such frac tune.E6~~ In other words, you don 't want the reactor to crack like a hot glass plunged into cold water. E11co asked the NRC for permission to operate Shorehams reactor according to different standards. It seems as if E11co would like to uso c standard ecuivalent to that of a 1c72 reactor, o ko lhe offical NRC response to the companys request on this natter was issued in April 1c81 and was as clear and explicit as possible : absolutely not... (~s) One applicants proposed method for oper-ation with the core critical is not permitted. 50 However, six months later-- in September the NRC, has _ sydd,enly, dee e idedJo_ gran_t_a_spee i.gl._exetppti.en_ for. Shor_eham, based on a. memo,, from 1c78 which it app. aran _tely_d. idn.',t,, rec _all. s ix months earlier ; / based on the neme dated /...hovember 13, C) lo78...the staff concurred that the pro-posed alternative...is ac cep tible...an exemption...is justified. 51 NRC regulations also state that the reactor vessel materials used to prepa.re tes t soec imens in determination of vessel toughness "shall be representative of the actual naterials of the P!nished components., EXCEPT Shoreham where the NRC found it necessary to grant still another exemption, dead carefully what the NRC states in its basis for exemption: ele conclude that the requirements... generally are nIot significantly different from tne earlier r-ccde requirements to which the vessel was built... ()3 because there are few sirnificant differences O be tween ecde rec.uirem ent a.../enphasis ndded/ 61 () . encrenams reacter vessel was origina1R cesigned and purchased to ASMi code, section III, Ic65 edition including addenda through winter 1c66, it was later utersded, to the extent pI_actical, Qdg & te O cenply with...lc68 edition... 52 g hD
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(]' the material used in these innertont valves (since they carry radioactive steam from the reactor to the turbino) also be subject to similar fracture standards... E::CIPT Shereham: i although the applicant has not CVN imp.act tasted the SIV materials, the applicant has supplied sufficient data from other similnr mntarin12 to demonstrate tnat the MSIV would moet the CVN impact requirements ...therefore, an exemption...is justified. 62 Critical testing via proxy...even more comforting. Not only do these important valves not comply with current fracture standards (or do they ? Since they have not been tested no one will know... ) but Lilco nuct have nurchased them at a nuclear industry " flea market" at a bargsin crice : ^ the main steam isolation valves were pur-chased to the Ic68 ASME Nuclear Pump and Valvo Code.../but/ valvos on 3horeham should have been turchaced to tha lo71... code due to the April 1k, Ic71 construction permit. 63 Current regulations also require that the reactor %elt-line" materials-- those materials directly opposite the radioactive core and, consequently, most susceptible to cracking-have a minimum established value (75 ft lbs ) to ensure conservatism against fracture. 6k However, uith Shoreham-- built to ancient nuclear standards as it is-- all reactor " belt-line" materials have not been adequately tested over a sufficient temperature range to adequately determine this important minimum value. 65 In Anril lo_81, Jhe UB.C__pxpresied_particular concern over foun submerced are welds which - when tested-- had values below the cu Gent 1j~aicentib1'e stan3ard. One weld, in particu1ar, nad T test 7 valne_well below t;hia_q. tesne t standard. Lilco was ordered to prove that an exemption was justified. 66 the anolicant has supplied sufficient information from other ninnts to demon-() strate that ene CYN impact under-shelf enerrie: fcr the Ihcrehsm reac:Or ressel beltfine material e :eci '5 f: lbs...an exert: tion ic justified. 67 C.) ( a hpA tb
b 1 A good and tcchnically competent description of hcu the GE design works-- yet clear eneuga for tha layman to understand-- can be g3 found in GE publication: NiDO 212c7, Rev.1, dated 3/78 (,) 2 Memorandum of 20 Sept 72 from Dr. Stephen Enncuer to other senior AEC officals. Cocnent regcrding ad/erse affec ca to nuclear indus-try made by A50 chairman Jose:n Hendrie of I4I fame. Memorandum obtained by UCS under the Freedcm of Information Act. p 3 "Snoreham : Want tent Irong ", Neusday, part II,16 Hov 81 \\ 4 "Repo r t Shoreham Workers Enposed to Carcinogen", 3ridgehampton SUN, 02 July 00 5 Shorenan stats from NUREG-Ch20, h/81 Zhener stats from CARE group in Ohio. There is apparantely sone roblem regarding the pool volume since telecen with NRC in p/82 placed volume at c5,762 gals-- somewhat short of the amnt 1 quoted by CARE and mentioned in NEWSDAY series for plant LaSalle stats from 1/82 telecon with NRC 6 0F CIT, Newsday, part II,16 Nov 81 7 The Silent Bomb, edited by Peter Faulkner, Vintage books (1o77). uood coverage of problems of GE design and MHB testimony before Congress. /specifically here item from p. 201/ 8 Eetter from AEC to Lilco, dated 26 Nov 73, p.5 9 NUREG-Ok20, suop1 1, c/81, p.3-1 10 NUREG-0420, h/81, pp. 5-6 & 6-lo 11 IBID, pp. 6-19 to 6-32 12 NUREG-Oh20, sunp1 1, c/81 NUREG-Oh20, h/81, p. 6-38, p. 6-2 13 1h IdID 15 "I.ilco OKs 11 Shoreham Changes ", Newsday, 05 Dec 81 16 NUREG-0737,11/80, p. 3-157 (]) 17 NUREG-oh20, h/81, pp. 5-5 & 5-6 lo as per 10 CFR part 50 19 NRC letter to E11co, dated 31 Aug 77 20 NUREG-Oh20, suppl 1, C/81, "pp. 6-9 & 6-10 "Shoreham : Wnat Went 'frong, Newsday, Part II 16 Nov 81 21 22 "Shoreham : Ihe First 32 Billion Plant ?", New York Daily News, 12 Feb 80 23 "Feedwater Noc=le Cracking in Boiling vater Reac tors ", NURIG-00co, Oct-Dec 76, p. 3-k 2h NUREG-Oh10, NRC Procram for the Resolution of Generic Is su e s Related to Nuclear Power Plan t s, Jan 70, p. 129 25 ce CIT, Newscay, le Nov ol 26 OP CIT, NY Daily News 12 Feb 80 IBID; a highly recomme,nded review of NRC inspection program can 27 27 also be found in Ecokine but No t se e in e, UCS publication, Cec 78 27 invironment, Energy, and natural nesources subcommittee of Government operations committee which investigated the Ind ian Point 2 water spill, was also very critical of NRC program, New York Times, ik July '81 28 0F CIT, NY Daily News 29 ISED /~ 30 Le tter and Final Report fren Lilco to NRC, dated 31 July 75, p.3 k-)' 31 da0 report number 50-322/7c-2h, v y Ic60 a alco :1100 Bulletin, fel 2, number 13 32 0? C II, lac report 3C-322/7c-2h, op. 15-16, allegation nc.1
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624-631 1 Ms. Seider. rs 2 MS. LEA SIEDER: My name is Lea Seider. I am (-) 3 President of New York State Coalition to Lower Our Unf air Taxes, 4 Inc. I have come here on behalf of many, many senior citizens e 5 who are greatly in fear of what will happen to them since they 5 6 are densely populated in two large communities very, very 2 { 7 close to Shoreham. A 8 8 Now, we know that it will be a detriment to all dd 9 people, but envision elderly people who are handicapped, also ~i h 10 children who are in school and whose parents who are at work, 6 { 11 and can you possibly tell me what will happen when senior 's y 12 citizens because of fright and stress start having heart attacks 5 13 and ambulances have to get t'o them when people are trying to ( mg 14 go from East to West and ambulances are coming from West to 2 15 East, will you tell me what will happen. s 16 What will happen to the children whose parents are j w d 17 at work and will not be able to get to their children because 5 { 18 gf the same situation coming from West to East and vice versa. E 19 All of these things are to be considered in this so-called gn l 20 evacuation plan which is such a farce as to make us all shrink 21 with ridicule. 22 The NRC is slated to be determined to give LILCO () 23 an operating license to play God with our lives. We hope 24 that after having heard a lot of factual testimony tonight 25 from people with actual evidence and never mind all of the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
632 1 hulabaloo that went about and the insults. You rated it, yes. O 2 I sey you reted 1e beceuse of the wey the groceedings toex g1ece 3 at the first pre-conference hearing. That-was really a farce, O 4 too. And we have to=e our concidence, and we hoge ehet you w111 e 5 help us now for your future actions to regain our confidence b h 6 in the job that you will do. R 6, 7 Now, there will be a great panic in people of all sl 8 ages trying to get from East to West, but the people on the d c; 9 other side of that Eastern ten miles, they might as well jump 10 into the sound or the Atlantic; they will have absolutely no E 11 place to go. is .j 12 I don't want to go into many things that have been ]9 13 said that I have in my talk. You have them all in the record l 14 there, but I will say one thing, you are the jury sitting 15 here and listening to the people of Suffolk County, and I j 16 think by what you are hearing, ifyour logic is operating correctly us 6 17 it will tell you that we are right and in a Court of law, when 5 { 18 there is reasonable doubt, there will be a mistrial and this E 19 g is the time when you the jury must exonerate and acquit the n 20 people of Suffolk County fron the punishment of Shoreham. 21 ( Applause. -)) You must also not allow LILCO to profuel that 22 plant for the very reasons that we will not be able to have 23 that independent inspection which will give you the evidence 24 with which to terminate Shoreham and also keep us from being 25 punished by the furtherence of our financial problems with ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
633 I WITII LILCO by allowing them because of that permission to put 2 the $2.5 billion in our rate base in order to keep LILCO 1 3 solvent because the bankers want it so. The people cannot C 4 take it. We cannot take it safety wise and we cannot take 5 it financially. It is up to you gentlemen to weigh all the 6 evidence, the factual evidence which we are sure is there, 7. 7 and as I said before, exonerate from further punishment. M 8 8 Thank you. .(Applause.) d6 9 10 E g ii a y 12 a p y 13 Om 14 a 2 15 s j 16 as ti 17 5 18 19 g n 20 21 22 4~ O 23, m O 25 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
634 1 only in a stable energy environment can the business community () 2 thrive. We are fighting for real jobs and real security with 3 our 2.9 million citizens. () 4 The important issueis the safety issue and the e 5 focus now seems to be on inspection. What makes the next b 6 inspection better than the last one? During the initial R 7 construction the work of each subcontractor was inspected M 8 by Stone & Webster, Project Consultants at the time. The d c; 9 utilities own engineers and the NRC also. Repairs and E 10 replacements were made as required and now we believe the E { 11 NRC is satisfied that the criteria are met. 3 l 12 Recently, LILCO offered to pay for the County's {)S 13 required evaculation plan in return for streamlined licensing h 14 procedures. This two edged. economy was rejected by the 15 County in favor of a lengthy costly total inspection the j 16 necessity for which had not been clearly demonstrated. e d 17 What more is there to be proven at Shoreham? 18 It is incumbent upon you the NRC to know what E 19 g more there is to be proven. There must eventually be a n 20 final authority and logically that authority will be the 21 NRC. I urge that you exercise your most stringent and cautious 22 ("N. judgment and if you find it prudent, help to prevent the O 23 expenditure of more taxpayers dollars that will increase the 24 already heavy burden borne by LILCO's ratepayers. 25 Thank you for your attention. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
635 I JUDGE BRENNER: Nancy Newell. O 2 mS. NANCY NEWELL: coed evening. av neme is Nency 3 Newell. I am from the People's Action Coalition on Long Island. ] 4 He have worked for about two years now very hard on lobbying e 5 the Suffolk County Legislature to be much more aware of the U h 6 problem of nuclear power and what it is going to offer us R 7 Long Islanders. And we have been very successful as was noted s 8 today where wer for the first time turned around the Suffolk r) ci 9 County legislature unanimously on a position that we thought
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We felt it should be inspected, every nick and corner 6 11 becuase it has been more than proven that nuclear power plant is j 12 do not work. It is very obvious they do not work. we would 5 13 not be here tonight if they did work. h I4 The NRC has several responsibilities at this point. 15 They are supposed to review the serious problems of the tubes j 16 and they haven't addressed that problem because there is a vs 6 17 great deal of financial responsibility involved in that. 5 M 18 JUDGE BRENNER: I am sorry, the problem of-- E I9 g MS. NEWWELL: Tubes. They have not addressed that. n 20 issue. It is critical. We have four out of five nuclear 21 plants in New York State that are not working. They have 22 been shut down; not by us, but by themselves, becuase they do 23 not work. 24 This is a licensing agency, appointed to protect 25 I the health and safety of the people that are living around ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
636 1 power plants. The same responsibilities are attached to the (]) 2 agency that licnese people to drive. When you are drunk, your 3 license is suspended. Well, nuclear power plants don't work. f~; 4 They do endanger people's lives. There is no doubt that V e 5 radiation kills people and you are responsible for stopping U 6 the killing of people and licensing the plant. G 7 I would like to see you to go to Three Mile Island N j 8 and clean up that place. You don't even know how to clean up dd 9 that place. You are using it as a research project. Solve $g 10 that problem and then tell us that you can license another s j 11 nuclear power plant. Solve the nuclear waste problem and then w j 12 tell us that you can license another nuclear power plant. S 13 (-) g You want to put the waste in space? You want to \\/ m 14 shot it up in planes. It may work. It may not work. Why 2 15 put it in salt mines that collapse. Where are we. going to put j. 16 this stuff? I don'c think that anybody has that answer, and e 6 17 until you do address those problems, and until you solve the { 18 problems of transport, you have no business licnesing another E 19 nuclear power plant in this country. l A 20 (Applause.) 21 You have heard testimony after testimony about 22 7s faults in that plant. If it is a question about economics, it U 23, is very simple. It is going to cost more if it doesn't work 24 when it is opened. And the ramifications of health problems ( l 25 is unlimited. Now, these are the kinds of issues that you ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
637 1 JUDGE BRENNER: Kathleen Latham. O 2 xS. xxTiitEEN taTuxM: My name le xeehteen tethem. 3 I am from orient, part of one of those fishtails. () 4 Everyone has spoke tonight so strongly and so well e 5 all the points I think 1 wanted to make. I would like to read E 6 something from a book review from the book Three Mile Island, G 7 Thirty Minutes to Meltdown by Daniel Ford. This review was n{ 8 just in this Sunday's paper. dd 9 The book carefully documented the case that utilities 10 cut costs on their billion dollar power plants by scimping on g 11 safety design equipment and staff and by pressuring the k j 12 government to circumvent physical safety reviews. () S 13 More accidents will occur, concludes the author. l 14 It is merely a matter of when. The Lighting Company is under 2 15 a lot of pressure for all the reasons that we heard of. It is a 16 g hard to say what to do to just through away.their $2.5 billion m 6 17 or maybe it would happen that way anyway, but to have a 5 { 18 thorough inspection is all I could ask now. E 19 But what I really want to say is that many people g n l 20 tonight have insulted the judges and said a lot of harsh 21 things, and said that you weren't listening. I have no 22 experience with you how terrible you might be, but what I 23 have seen of Judge Brenner is that you have handled a to 24 say it extremely difficult would put it mildly an occasion x 25 here very well, and Judge Carpenter and Judge Morris have l ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
638 1 fallen asleep or seem to be listening. Actually, strangely, ({]) 2 I feel encouraged instead of depressed. I really feel that 3 your job is thankless and almost hopeless, but it is your (]) 4 job and to do it will would take courage and more than human e 5 courage, but something beyond just what is called of from you 3 N 6 and I think that is what we are asking for. R 7 I feel confident that you will listen and you sl 8 will do the right thing. I thank you. (Applause.) do 9 JUDGE BRENNER: Well, thank you, Ms. Latham. I iog 10 wouldn't be gracious if I didn't say that. I said at the 5 g 11 outset, and you may recall, that the most important phase of B y 12 the proceeding is not the public hearing session, although 5 fg y 13 that may be most important to you here tonight, and I should \\_) m l 14 emphasize that so you realize that from our point of view. 2 15 It is the direct evidentiary proceeding that we j 16 will be hearing is the most important direct phase. The public w 6 17 appearance only indirectly is important, and when we get Y 1 I 18 the specific facts so that when we hear the experts so called P 19 do testify on behalf of all sides and in this case _ the Board n 20 is luckly and I think the record is lucky, in that we have i 21 competent, well trained parties on all sides of the issues, 22 attorneys and experts, so we are going to get very intensive 23 ; testimony from all sides and we will be focusing there in the 24 hearing. So, I again invite all of you in addition to these 25 public appearance sessions to attend the hearings from time ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. i
639 I to time when you can and perhaps get a flavor of the actual O 2 testimony on crossexamination which is again quite a bit \\_/ 3 different type of proceeding than the type of meeting that O 4 we have tonieht. 5 We are going to;run, as I indicated before, the 6 week of May 4th in this room. We will then recess for two R
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weeks and we will pick up on Tuesday, the 25th, in the s j 8 Riverhead Town Hall that one day, and then on the 26th, we d q 9 will be back here and thereafter we will be here Tuesday zo g 10 through Friday unless we change the room, so come and see us. 11 We are going to try to go fifteen minutes more. B Y I2 We won't cut you to less than five minutes, but if you could E 13 l (}) cut yourself to less than five minutes, it would be helpful. l 14 Mr. DiNicola? g 15 MR. KENNEDY!: Mr. Chairman, Mike had to go. I am x y 16 Bob Kennedy. I am on the speakers list and my guess is that w h 17 I would take his place if that is all right with you. I am x { 18 a steamfitter. I work at Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. You P" 19 l g all know who I am. No.,1, I am going to tell you gentlemen n 20 that I have no intention of prejudging you as some have done 21 here tonight, nor do I have the intention of being pre-judged 22 as a construction worker. ) 23 My famiig's heritage in steamfitting, and that is 24 what makes these turbines go, goes back to the 19th century. s L. 25 I We are not tranoients. We are Long Islanders. I was born and ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
640 1 and raised on Long Island. People think that Whitstone and () 2 Queens is not part of Long Island. It is. 3 My three grandchildren live on Long Island. I am () 4 also a very strong moral Christian person, and I would not, e 5 not jepordize the lives of my grandchildren or my neighbors. A N 6 Most of my neighbors, the way they spoke here toaight, I R 7 have respect for them even though I disagree with them. Ml 8 Gentlemen, you have a job to do. I don't think d 9 we should prejudge you, but I am going to say this for anybody zo 10 to stand..up here and say that you are automatically in cahoots 3 j 11 kith LILCO is unfair. For anybody to stand up here and to B j 12 slander them fine men and women that work in the building of 5 (" 13 shoreham Nuclear Power Plant because some farmer's daughter %.)3 g = 14 passed a remark at the General Store, I know you won't pay C 15 attention to. You will listen to the facts, receive written j 16 statements. If you have heard anything here tonight that makes e d 17 you uneasy, I am sure that you will look into it most carefully. 5 5 18 I am proud, very proud, to work in Shoreham, but 5 { 19 I have worked in other power plants and please keep in mind n 20 that we building power plants that are powered by coal, Arab 21 oil, Venezualan oil, gas, or dealy coal, so we will build them 22 if you want them, but I know that and I believe with all my 23 heart and soul that a team working together to do this job 24 g,) can do it right. When you look into this, when you decide \\_/ 25 if it is safe, do your job, license it and write it for full r ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1 641 I power because when Maine went down it cost those people a (3 \\/ 2 million dollars a day up there. We cannot have a modern 3 industrial society. We cannot expect an automobile at 55 miles A(_) 4 an hour and then live in the r'ememberance of the horse and 5 buggy age, but you can talk about Edsels, but Americans have h 0 built automobiles, we have settled a continent and we did it R 'd 7 by deciding what had to be done and making decisions. Ml 8 For ten years we have had indecision around here. d k 9 We have had hearings after hearings building the cost of the zo h 10 place up. This I will tell you, my experience, I have never = II seen a question of safety shovelled under the rug at Shoreham k g 12 If anything, it goes the other way. Some people want two bites a 13 f() at the apple. They want to complain about the astronomical cost l 14 and if somebody is in doubt about the safety of the system b IS and they have to redesign the whole system, and I have seen m d I0 it with my own eyes, they do that and they complain about w h I7 that cost. m M 18 Decision time is here. I think you have made E 19 8 the right decision in moving ahead at your schedule. I read n 20 in the papers that one of the attorneys in Suffolk County 2I said that we need 50 weeks to prepare. For God's sake we 22 (} have been building this place for ten years. Now give us 23 the chance to light if off and show you what nuclear power 24 can do. (Interruptions from the audic-ce. ) 25 ' I am almost finished. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
642 1 I have more patience with that character who slandered me O 2 under the tenth commendment, but 1 em te1xing ebout my conduc 3 out at Shoreham because I am one of them. I am a construction (m) 4 worker and we built power plants on long Island and we built / 5 New York City, and we built the bridges and the things that h 6 made Long Island good because we built the houses that you R 7 people live in and if you don't want electricity, we will A 8 8 build the roads that the kerosene trucks can run on, but you c3 c; 9 can't have it both ways, and I know you will do the right 10 thing, and if it isn't safe, bury it. And if it is safe, E 11 make your decision and light it off. Thank you. is y 12 (Applause.) E 13 JUDGE BRENNER: William Bond? Joseph Gramer? h 14 Not here either? Ronald Welebny? The next speaker after { 15 Mr. Helebny will be Nancy Newwell. a: y 16 MR. WELEBNY: Good evening. My name is Ron Welebny. us d 17 I am President of Aerographics Corporation and I serve on the 5 { 18 board of Directors at the Long Island Chamber of Commerce and E 19 g Industry. As a member of Long Island's business community n 20 and as a LILCO rate payer I wish to voice my dismay over the 21 unnecessary economic damage that a very vocal minority has 22 produced by severely delaying the completion of a facility 23 so vitally needed to help stabalize our economy, the Shoreham 24 plant. A relative handful of people using tatics that were 25 I frequently questionable have managed to add years to the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC.
643 I to the cost of this project. () 2 A relative small number of people using tatics that 3 were questionable have added years to.the cost of this project. O(_/ 4 Now they seek to add further c'ost by the delaying the license 5 needed to bring the Shoreham power station on line. While we h 6 ratepayers wait, they continue to operate several obsolete R
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As you undoubtedly know d c} 9 each day of delay costs us over a million dollars. With zc 10 no further setbacks, LILCO's latest projection is 2.4 billion 3_ 5 II will hold to complete. It is not in the best interest of the k j 12 public to allow any unnecessary escalation of already high 5 () 5 13 costs. \\ a b I4 The need for the facility is numberous. Although g 15 oil now seems to be abndant, the world situation could e y 16 quickly deal us a crushing blow. By regulation, Shoreham uses i l ^ h I7 nuclear fuel produced domestically keeping our dollars within m { 18 our borders. Our major business consideration is the economic P" 19 8 implication. Billions of dollars have been invested at Shoreham, n 20 Popular opinion to the contrary, notwithstanding and regardless 2I of who ultimately minds the energy store, there cannot be 22 (]) a free ride. Energy costs. The investors, and ultimately 23 the ratepayers need to realize the benefits of their invest- "T 24 ments. We need the 30 odd years of low cost energy that (J 25 Shoreham will provide. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
644 I should address. These are the kinds of issues that people of () 2 Long Island are going to press. They are not going to stop 3 pressing. We are not going to permit the safety to be O(_/ 4 jepordized by an.outside agency who is responsible to us and 5 ignores that responsibility, and we are going to continue to 6 make the public aware of these problens. Thank you. R 7 -(Applause.) M 8 8 JUDGE BRENNER: Thank you. O q 9 We are going to adjourn at this time. To you who xo g 10 have had to stand during this proceeding, I do apologize. 11 I thought that this room would be bigger. I am told that the k g 12 room tommorrow night is bigger. Thank you. 3 ({} 13 (The hearing ended at 10:45 p.m.) l 14 m 2 15 E j 16 e d 17 M 18 E" 19 8n 20 21 22 l (2) 23 ! O 25 ! ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the Nuclear Regulatory Commission W in the matter of L ng Island Lighting Co. Date-Of Proceeding: April 13, 1982 DCcket.Ilumber: No. 50-322 Place of PPCCeeding: Riverhead, Long Island, NY were held.as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript therecf for the file-of the Commission Robert E Maver Official Reporter (Typed) l D)Ld'iL./Vlop/ / Official Reporter Sigr.ature) .}}