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Commission Determination Releasing Portions of Commission 810617 Meeting in Washington,Dc Re SECY-81-170,Criterion I in Export Licensing.Pp 1-27.Meeting Closed Per Exemptions 7-10
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October 28, 1981 OFFICE OF T.NE SECRETARY COMMISSION DETERMINATION REGARDING PUBLIC DISCLOSURE UNDER THE GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNHINE ACT OF:

Briefing on SECY-81-170 - Criterion I in Export Licensing, June 17, 1981 s

Pursuant to the Commission's regulations implementing the Government in the Sunshine Act (10 CFR 9.108 (c)), the Commission, on the advice of the General Counsel, determined that the attached portions of the subject transcript should be made available to the public.

The remaining portions of the transcript have been withheld pursuant.to 10 CFR 9.104 as noted below:

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paper that we sent to the Commission.

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Has this gone to Stats?

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Has it come back?

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It is the date on the Ixecutive Order.

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May 23th.

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