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| Issue date: | 10/16/1976 |
| From: | Spangler W BABCOCK & WILCOX CO. |
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Deposition of William H. Spangler, dated October 16, 1976:
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Mr. Spangler, is your present position still maneger!
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I'm in sales in Docroit, Mic,higan.
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During 1977 and 197d were you canager of nuclear
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In that capacity, did B & W startup personnel l
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Yes.
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Was that a direct line reporting to you or did i 20 they have inter =ediaries between you?
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The site manager reported to ca.
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Who was the sito manager?
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Leo Rogers.
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As manager of startup services, Crystal Rivar, 2
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Yes.
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Is that a separate contract other than the supply 13 contract?
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Yes.
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How was that c'ontract like or different frem j
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I don't know the details of the various contracts, !
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20 from utility to utility.
21 It's a master service contract.
I'm sure there are 22 differences in verbiage becaase each one is negotiated with 4
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than every 90 dayn.
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Do I understand, then, that you didn't schedule visits with an eye toward the tests that would be perfor=ed 12 or specific points in the startup program that you wanted to i,
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I'd like to focus now on the information that you received from.the siter how often did you receive reports jy,
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We received reports -- well, first of all, we had,a policy in which we nad a daily morning telephone 40 conversation betwee'n the site and my office.
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Q And then of course we receivcc any nemher of special letters r whatever, copies of letters that Lee wrote to the 6
cucto=er, that sort of thing, special reports.
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hh.c is the usual type of conflict which exists?
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Now, are you aware of that conflict?
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in which you engaged, beginning on March 28th?
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Q Did you instruct Mr. Wandling, beginning on March 28,.
to maintain any kind cf log, diary, or record of cc=munications?
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He made records on a s'teno-type note pad, which is his usual practice, of the telephone conversations that
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No.
I knew Ken Wandling.
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Had he done this service of making a record 17 for you before?
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It's a standard practice of his.when he's involved 19 in something.
I knew he took iood notes.
J On March,28, did he work for you?
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Apart from the four telephone calls that you had with Mr. Schaedel and the two that you had with Mr. Rogers, 8
9 do you recall talking with anyone who was a B & W employee at 10 or near the TMI site during the day of March 28?
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14 day of the 28th with anyone else outside the 3 & W offices 13 in Lynchburg relating to th's TMI incident?
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No.
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.At this point, can you distinguish in your mind 13 anything about the four separate phona calls you ad with 19 Mr. Schacdel?
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No, I can't -- I can't discuss each telephone 21 call individually about the subjects and what was said, and 22 so forth.
It all runs together,.
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Can you distinguish any of the four calls with 24 Mr. Schacdel or the group of the '!our calls with Mr. Schaedel n.os as.anm. w.
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And that data was recorded at that point; so, yes.
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Af ter you received Mr. Rogers' e all in the morning, 9
what did you do?
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Hell, my -- the first thing I did -- there were 11 two things.
Number one, when Lee called, I. got Randling and 12 Don Hallman, and there may have been possibly one or so others 13
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15 They were very 'close to my* office.
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Let ma interrupt you if I may.
Did Mr. Wandling and Mr. Hallman participate in the 17 la phonecall with Mr. Rogers?
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They listened, yes.
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So you learned from Mr. Rogers on the phone that there was a problem at TMI and you called for Mr. Wandling and 21 72 Mr. Hallman to come rig.Nt away?
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You put the phone on a speaker box?
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What cice did you do after the phone call?
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on the blackboard in my office -- that Lee gave to us -- it's I
8 one of the attachments to this.
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For the re. cord, let's identify that.
Is that 10 Attachment A?
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Attachment A.
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As you understand it, when the phone call came in 13 and Mr. Rogers began descriving what he understood was taking 14 place or had taken place at TMI, someone began to write the 15 items of information on the blackboard.
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Yes.
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Who was that?
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I dor.'t know if it was Hallman or Wandling.
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Am I correct that subsequently Mr. Wandling, as part 20 of his note taking responsibility, wrote down from the blackboard 21 the items and those items became Attach =ent A to Exhibit 31047 22 A
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Okay. The next thing I did was to call Dr. Roy's 10 it office.
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Why did you do that?
A Well, we recognind this as e.omething other than 13 routine transient, that it was a very serious problem.
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13 And so I elected to let Don know first.
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Was it your understanding that Dr. Roy would be in charge of the B & W effort to respond to the incident?
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Well, I was -- yes, I was certain that Don would 22 pick up a leadership role as soon as he was aware of the 23 24 situation.
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up to lead a tiask force initially on this effort.
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0900 meeting to further pass on this information to the 8
people who had a need to know.
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Mr. Rogers which caused you to. conclude you had a very serious 15 16 problem?
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Was there anything.else then?
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cladding failure or something --
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When you spoke to Dr. Roy, did you tell him that 8
in your view there was a very serious problem?
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Ch, yes.
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Did you mention the high radiation levels to him?
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Yes.
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Did you make reference to the prospect or 13 possibility of fuel failure?
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I would be of the view he had come to the same 18 conclusion I did.
He's much smarter than I an.
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When you finished. the teleahone conversation with 20 Mr. Rogers, did you give Mr. Rogers any s.ggestions or 21 instructions as to what he should do?
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How many people attended the 9:00 o' clock metting, 12 approximately7 13 A
I'm guessing.' I'm guessing maybe 20.
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Who invited them?
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Did you speak to Mr. Womack -- Dr. Womack?
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Did you advise Mr. Olds?
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- 7 Who, as you understood it, was the person who would 18 be in charge of B & W's response to the incident?
39 A To the whole incident? 20 Q Yes, sir. l 21 As I read it at the. time, in the initial phases of A 22 this thing, basically the one respo..sibl-was the service ( 23 department, which would have been myself reporting to olds. 24 e.rsws neomore,Inc. 25 Now, it wasn't long into the thing, obviousif, where it became 'I ' ' ~ - -- w m n. w -
74 l 1 I phone call or later, as you recall it? i .j74 A In the first one. 2 MR. DIENEL': Off the record. 3 (Discussion off *he record.) 4 MR. DIENELT: Back on the record. '5 BY MR. DIENELT: 6 O As you recall it, did the telephone call with 7 Mr. Rogers last to approximately 8:00 e' clock? g A Yes. 9 10 0 And it was during that phone call that ha gave you 'information on the temperature at about 8:00 o' clock? }} A That's right. 12 0 Did he tell you whether the ' reactor coolant pu=ps 33 had been tripped automatically or intentionally? y A I don't remember specifically, but I read that 33 3 conversation to say that they were tripped manually. y Q Do you recall anything else, other than what you've 37 testified to and what appears on the Exhibit 3104, which you 18 have been referring to in your testimony, about the first 19 phone call with Mr. Rogers? 20 i A No. 21 Am I correct that at the 9:00 o' clock meeting you " 22 .Q essentially gave the group a briefing on your telephone call 23 with Mr. Rogers? 24 .*mera neaann. ses. 25 A. That's correct. l E p @pG W wb _ __
i i 75 i I sp7 5 1 0 During that =ceting, am I also correct that a 2; list of information which the group no:ded was ccapiled? 3 A Yes. () 4 0 Was that also written on the blackboard? 5 A I believe it was, t 6 Q co you know who wrote that on the blackboard? 7 A I think it was me. 8 O What discussion was there at the meeting, if any, 1 9 regarding the possibility of f eel f ailure? 10 A I recall virtually nothing of the particular 11 discussion: that took place at the meeting, other than the 12 data distributic'n and the discussion about what we would like 13 havi, information when Lee called. (]) 14 I wouldn't want to speculate on what else was 15 discussed at the beeting;'-I don't recall specifically any 2 16 discussion about fuel failure. I 17 0 Do you recall having told the group that, as you 18 understood it, there was a possibility or a prospect that there 19 was fuel failure or fuel da= age? 20 A Yes. 21 Q You also told the group about the high radiation ({} 22 levels? 23 A Yes. 24 Q Was there any discussion that you recall about the .F, Seres Aegytes, Inc. 25 high pressure injection? \\sjl I ~
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y-._...__.,.. I l 77 i to this hind of a situation. And it's part of the overall j l sp77 g' I conversation. I don't recall any big thing being made of it, i 7 l i !!cy, we've got to make sure -- make sure that when you talk l 3 O. to these guys that you say, hey, make sure this core is i 4: covered kind of. thing. 5 Q Do I understand correctly that although the matter 6 of core cooling or core uncovery was not, as you recall, a 7 the 9:00 o' clock specific or major item of discussion at 8 meeting, it was the first item listed among the informat'.on 9 I that you wanted or the information that you wanted to convey jo it to the site? A Yes. 12 8 c u== en e i= aiw v= es> fir e erio=ler7 O is o 34 A Yes. 'i'3 Q Do you recall +hether Mr. -- do you recall wicher ^ 2 said Mr. Kelly or Mr. Dunn, during the 9:00 o' clock meeting, 16
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A No, I don't recall. 13 19 Q Do you recall specifically whether either of them made any reference to or drew any ar.alogy to the prior Davis-20 Besse transients? 21 I don't remerber Davis-Besse being mentioned in this h A 22 meeting. 23 In connection with the first ite:n that wo have been 24 Q discussing, was there any information that group thought should s w w R.oo . iac. 25 - ~ = = = __ =_.
w~=.--..--.-... 1 I 73 l i j be conveyed 'to the site with respect to how we should o. sp73 2 how they should ensure that the core remained covered and 3 cooled adequately? I don't recall relative to that specific itam, () 4 A 5 no. L Is Attachment 2 to Exhibit 3104 a list of information 6 Q y ll shich the group desired to obtain from the site? 8 A YCS-9 Q How were the priorities that are indicated at the 10 left margin of Attachment 2 established? 11 A They wero established there by -- I don't want to call it consensus -- but the group established them as a 12 13 group. Q And I view Womack as providing at that time that 14 15 technical leadership. So,it was a group thing. I don't t 16 remember any big arguments about this should be one; that 17 should be two kind of thing. It just sort of seemed to fal'1 into place. The la 19 group pretty much agreed on what they needed. 20 0 Do you recall any discussion of prioritics among 21 priority number ene? 22 A No. ({} 23 Q Were you involved in the decision to dispatch Masrs. Kelly, Winks, and Twilley to the site? 24 ..r.4... a.oemri, ix. 23 A only in a passive fashions it wasn't ny suggestion, i 1 h ~~ ge N ' 9 ds*W gw,.,,,}}