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| Issue date: | 06/08/1967 |
| From: | Gray G BABCOCK & WILCOX CO. |
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Meeting per attached agenda began at 10:10 a.m.
1 John Logan opened by stating Jersey Central is now ready to move and that consequently he hoped PSAR would be concluded by late l
fall '67 and certainly no later than February '68.
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a construction permit no later than Februaryreasoning, realizing the difficult. site int
'69 a period and date which admittedly must be verified by Burns & Roe, the engi-l l
neers - constructors), to allow sufficient time for labor snags I
and inefficiency indigenous to conatruction work in New Jersey and to still commence commercial operation May 1, 1973 l
I Logan confirmed for the first time officially that Burns & Roe are engineer - constructors.
Logan then announced he was considering sizing the Westinghouse turbine at a VWO rating equivalent to 2760 MWt (2744 core power plus 16 from pumps).
He then revealed the turbine was a 4 flow 44 reheat machine.
It was immediately agreed that despite the aforementioned turbine power level being considered BW would be responsible warranty-wise only to the 2446 MWt license power level proposed.
It is, of course, understood that site related accidents 1xust be run at any higher power level ultimately selected.
It is also realized that with higher power level the unit will "run down" faster.
BW countered by advising eight months rather than five are needed to prepare PSAR for higher power level.
Thus if B&W began Sept. 1, 1967 as initially contemplated the PSAR could not be presented until May '68.
This is three months later than the February 1, 1968 presentation date initially forecast for 2446 MWt and now ceincidentally the latest date in Logan's preferential time range 4
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- p. 2 These developments raised two questions:
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Can we begin work earlier than 9-1 that is, can we solve our people problem even if, sufficient site data can be'obtained promptly?
At this point Bob Beisel volunteered to check and advise either late next week or early the follcwing week.
At the same time he expects to advise when B&W can confirm a higher power level, and if data from current steam generator tests in Alliance must first be obtained.
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What additional time, money and prior information B&W needs for calculations we must make and equipment we must add and/or modify within our scope (NSS plus auxiliary systems and/or safeguards) to determine its capability of coping with 2760 (2744) MWt?
The steam generator in particular must be checked especially in view of the high extraction rate and consequent higher feed temperatures associated with the four flow machine selected.
The steam generator is particularly sensitive to feed temp-erature and may conceivably challenge the 2446 MWtlevel now contemplat'd.
e It was at this point assumed that all such changes within our scope would be found minor.
It was agreed, however, that should this assumption be proven incorrect B&W would promptly advise JC the breakpoint, if below 2760, between minor and major change requirements within B&W's scope, whereupon JC will consider a correspondingly lower VWO.
Before a higher power level can be adjudged, however, B&W must receive turbine heat balances for at least two points, i.e., guarantee and VW0.
Eventually a third point balance will be required.
Jim Neely promised to obtain the'se data from Burns & Roe and advise us promptly.
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P. 3 Before B&W can commence meaningful work, whether September 1, 1967 or earlier, we must have site data.
Subsequent examination of the " Safety-Related Site Data" booklet JC distributed to B&W at the meeting merely reveals the Union Beach site and related~ge-ography and is almost completely devoid of the type data B&W needs particularly if we retain financial responsibility for design criteria (see below).
JC realizes this but admits that the re-quired data may be hard to obtain burriedly.
.In addition to the site data booklet JC produced site drawing C-38704B.
With this drawing JC attempted to show that a 2400 ft.
exclusion area could be obtained by taking advantage of the bulk-head line and property plots already purchased,64, 65 and $6.,
i.e. 9, 10 11 12, 13, 14, 49, 50, 51, 52, 55, 56, 57, 58, 63, JC can purchase any of the other illustrated property plots they wish.
It was emphasized especially that before B&W can accomplish much we must have meteorology (dispersion characteristic) and applicable exclusion data.
Jim Pickard guessed that these data might be available by the time B&W concludes its recalculations for the higher power level.
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the two meet in D.C. next week.
b JC announced that diesels will provide emergency power at the new plant.
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- p. 4 In pointing out added costs when PSARs are prepared separately Beisel stated that Duke, encouraged by the AEC, included all three of its units on one application with appreciable savings.
JC, Jim Pickard and Fox Trowbridge all raised questions concerning-items (4) and (5) page 1-20 of B&W's Proposal-Specification A5-91 Concerning (4)
" Seismic" - customer expressed opinion that B&W should be willing to design to same limits for JC as for Met Ed, the stated 0.lg value notwithstanding.
At thb.s point B&W confirmed that the Met Ed values ranged between.06 and.12 and applied to the reactor vessel flange.
JC then stated Burns & Roe was this day discussing seismic spectrum data for the Union Beach site.
Concerning (5)
" Population" - customer asked wherever could so light a population area be found.
In defense B&W reminded all present that the area description came to us from Met Ed in the early proposal stages. At this point customer once more expressed opinion thatB&W should be willing to design for JC to same limits as for Met Ed, values stated in B&W's proposal notwithstanding.
At this point in response to a question by Trowbridge if Union Beach would require chinges, compared to Three Mile Island, B&W offered the random opinions that (a) AEC might highly question any containment concept claiming leakages below.1 of 1 per cent (b) AEC's review will be lengthy J
(c) AEC may demand any or all of the following:
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P. 5 core catcher core flooding redundancy two iodine systems Concerning (b) Favret's opinion was admittedly based on limited B&W information.
Lou's principal concern was population but he felt there were other related factors.
Jim Neely then asked how our scope (material, criteria, etc.)
would be influenced by an underground site.
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The matter was pursued no fur-ther since everyone considered Jim's question hypothetical.
As we broke for lunch JC inquired about " Appendix A" without which our Proposal - Specification A5-91 is quite incomplete.
B&W stated that only the Friday before had we placed it in Met Ed's hands assuming Met Ed would pass at least two cbpies on to JC.
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Some one from B&W then stated it was agreed at a previous meeting.JC would obtain such supplementary information directly from Met Ed.
I do not recall the agreement which would, in any event, contradict my prior assurances to JC.
When Nuclear Prop began preraring A5-91 proposal in the identical likeness of Met Ed's originally accepted proposal, then already badly outdated, I was advised as justification therefor to JC as follows; both Met Ed and JC would receive sequel and coincident supple-mentary information rather than revised proposal pages for. updating.
I assured JC accordingly.
If JC will now be satisfied to obtain such interim information directly from Met Ed, particularly since JC's site conditions and potential agreements portend L
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'a considerably different final contract with B&W I feel this is fine.
My only point here is to stress JC can rightfully expect complete information direct 1:r from B&W.
Our refusal or reticence-to compig if asked could appear on the part of B&W
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second fiddle" attitude - alway' duplication" as a s a psycho-logical hazard on contracts via the j
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This subject may call for more in-house considera-tion.
First thing following lunch,- during which time customer and con-sultants caucused, John Logan volunteered some interesting and significant remarks designed to avoid financial-interest conflicts p
and to. promote expeditious engineering progress.
He reconfirmed JC may decide to increase the recommended turbine generator size and readmitted Union Beach is a less favorable.
site.than is Three Mile Island.
In recognition of these two important facts Logan observed that this contract's ground rules 4
should change in that point-to-point comparisons thereof with i
the Met Ed contract merely because they started out as duplicates could be'come totally--impracticable.
He suggested all practical duplication remain,'-however.
Logan then expanded his proposal by essentially offering a deal.
i He suggested JC relieve B&W from all financial-responsibility for the licenseability of' equipment beyond our scope of supply (bal-ance of. plant including structures).
t In return Logan announced expectation B&W will-otherwise provide j
-its initially quoted scope of materials and services '(including pre-plant acceptance, PSAR and AEC licensing support as ~well as i
'the best-balance of-plant design criteria our experienced judgment
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all at the higher power level) without change to the $21,000,000 base amount - plus progress payments - plus escalation provisions
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engineering and consequent additional materials within B&W's scope (NSS plus auxiliary systems plus safeguards) to comply with a turbine equivalent of 2760 MWt (or a somewhat lower power level found to avoid any major revisions to our supply)
(b)' any other changes of any type whatsoever besides modifications within B&W scope similar in type and extent to those B&W included cost free at Three Mile Island for Met Ed's power level.
Whether Logan's deal as proposed allows additional B&W compensation for power level influence on our pre-plant acceptance PSAR and AEC licensing support,as well as on our balance of~p1&nt design cri-teria preparation and related technical advice,was unclear to me.
As a precaution I feel our response to any written confirmation Logan may ultimately provide should clarify.this issue -- by stating we interpreted him to say that JC would pay for all increased power level related activities.
Don Wilson countered with a preliminarily favorable reaction but reserved final official B&W response pending a check with our management.
Logan's offer in essence does not change our committed scope.
Rather it exchanges our financial responsibility for bal-1 ance of plant criteria for extra work within the scope parameters initially proposed.
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- p. 8 Logan commissioned Trowbridge to (a) draft a letter confirming the deal offer (b) draft a letter of intent authorizing B&W to commence work immediately and not wait until 9-1-67 This letter is to permit a correspondingly increased number of smaller progress payments, the first of which will be due six months after actual B&W commencement.
While it was agreed, once a new commencement date is established, B&W will advise the revised percentage amount for each of the new progress payments,it was also agreed Trowbridge's letter will not await this information.
At this point Jim Neely raised the subject of checks and balances to comprise the dual functions of justifying the progress payment amounts providing a reliable handle on work progress B&W pointed' out that such price breakdowns could become very cumbersome but that we'would investigate possiailities and advise.
The possibility of BW relinquishing some equipment and/or engi-neering, primarily but not solely as a potential means of allowing a wprk commencement date earlier than 9-1-67, was discussed.
Such safeguard items as Iodine Removal and Reactor Spray Systems, etc.
were considereu best left in our supply.
Reactor Building, Spent Fuel and Intermediate Cooling Systems, along with the Service Water System, were considered practicable deletions.
No decisions were reached.
BW volunteered to comment further at a later date.
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P. 9 JC raised the question of when B&W and Burns & Roe can first meet and get on with the job.
Beisel responded by saying he could attend no such meeting earlier than the end of next week and that before setting an actual date he would like first to talk with Lowe in Washington, D.C. early next week.
JC expressed hope B&W could promptly pump greater input into the Burns & Roe schedule than the events included in our previous bar chart tied in with a 9-1-67 B&W commencement date.
Allowance must be made here for the low New Jersey labor efficiency.
.Ikn1 Favret asked JC if they anticipated the same building and equipment arrangement as Met Ed contemplated.
Jim Neely replied that the two would be much alike but there would be some differ-There will be considerable liaison on the two plants, ences.
Neely confirmed.
Jim Neely revealed that boring had begun at the site.
Eight loca-tiens comprise the initial group.
Water was obtained at the first boring still under way.
This was no surprise, however, s.ince it was located essentially in a bulkhead zone.
Neely revealed the first preliminary boring report was due 7-15-67 B&W raised the subject of shop assembly whereupon JC advised they had experienced no problem at Oyster Creek.
Neely expressed be-lief that assemblies involving piping 2k in. diameter and larger were acceptable by the local unions.which generally demanded field assembly of piping 2 in. and smaller.
B&W agreed to check if National Constructors Association rules applied, to otherwise examine customer benefits from permissible shop assemblies, and advise.
With reference to National Constructors Association, B&W is a member of its New Jersey Committee.
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- p. lo JC revealed knowledge, without B&W prompting, of the current control rod drive controversy between B&W and Met Ed.
Both parties were content to leave this matter for a later date.
The following conditions were reconfirmed as applicable to Met Ed:
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2335 MWt Guar - (Steam flow corresponding to) 2446 MWt PSAR -
2452 MWt While items (4) and (5) of Proposal page 1-20 were mentioned at the meeting no one brought up item (6)despite fact it might fully apply to the Union Beach site.
The subject of fuel.was briefly discussed.
B&W reconfirmed it had no fuel currently committed for JCP&L.
The. subject received little rea1 attention however, except a conflict of thinking between Pickard and B&W about the availability of uranium through the AEC and the cost of U 308 at open pit mines.
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