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10 Friday, 28 August 1981 11 12 13 The meeting was called to order a t 10:12 a.m.,
14 15 Commissioner Gilinsky, presiding.
16 17 PRESENT4 1
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22 Samuel J. Chilk, Leonard Bickwit, Rick Parrish, Ed l
23 Abbott, Steve Hanaiser, Robert Tedesco, Frank Miralgia,
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24 Tolbert Young, Bart Buckley, Jim Knight, Bill Olmstead, and 25 Glenn rally.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
This was going to be a
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4 little meeting in my office, and it seems to have expanded.
5 (Laughter.)
6 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY.
I wanted
+o go over some 7 of the items discussed in the Commission's meeting on the 6 uncontested issues, or at least issues which are not in the 9 proceeding at the present time.
Particularly what we want 10 to talk about is the operators' staffing and experience.
We 11 will discuss tha t again, and we want to get Ed Abbott 12 involved in the discussion.
He was not here yesterday.
He 13 has experience in the arsa, and I want to pursue it with him 14 present.
15 We are keeping a transcript in order that all of 16 the carties can be informed of what was said here.
I guess, 17 Len, you said it would be sent to the various parties and 18 the y will be asked to comment, if they wish to do so?
19 MR. BICKWIT That is right, by the same deadline 20 set yesterday, for yesterday's comments.
COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
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23 come in in time to be taken account of, they will be.
I believe you also notitled the people tha t this
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24 25 meeting would taka place?
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MR. BICKWITs That is right.
2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs The various parties?
3 MR. BICKWIT That is right.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSXY:
Okay.
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5 you could just give a capsule version of the staffing 6 situation just so Ed Abbott, who at this point knows nothing 7 about it--
8 MR. HANAUER Let me use the viewgraphs I used 9 yesterday.
10 MR. ABBOTT 4 I have a copy.
11 MR. HANAUER:
Okay.
Staffino involves a lot of 12 people and, in general, is satisfactory.
The area of 13 dif ficulty is in Senior Reactor Operators which is a 14 post-Three Mile Island requirement.
15 Ihey plan to go on four shifts --
16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs Let me just stop you, 17 S teve.
That is an industry-wide requirement?
18 MR. HANAUERs Yes, sir.
It is presently required 19 of all new plants.
It is required of plants which were 20 operating in '79 to be implemen ted -by June of 1982; but for 21 new plants we require it to be implemented by Licensino.
22 MR. ABBOTT 4 And that is reflected in Table 6.21 23 of the Tech Specs?
24 MR. HANAUERs Yes, sir.
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4 1 they need eight Senior Reactor Operator licenses.
There are 213 people with valid licenses as members of the plant's 3 staff, so on first blush they have plenty of such people.
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However, if you look at the assignments, the job 5 titles of assignments of the 13, you discover that only 7 of 6 them are really available for shif t duty; and tha t the other 75 are members of the management engineering and training 8 staf f.
These numbers are different than the ones we used 9 two weeks ago, and I explained at some length yesterday what to those differences are.
I can go over them again if you want.
11 The result is that they have today 13 fully 12 licensed, fully qualified people, only 7 of whom are 13 available f or long-term shif t duty because the other six are 14 f ulfilling essential management training and engineering 15 f unctions that we are unwilling tv see vacated for any 16 significant period of time.
17 During the initial startup period between 18 licensing and attainment of full power which is about half a 19 year, we do not want these members of the management 20 engineering and training staff diverted to shift operations; 21 we want the plant manager to manage the plant, and we want 22 the operations superintendent to supervise operations and so 23 f or th.
24 They are therefore short of the number of people 25 required to go into the operating modes and still maintain ALDERSON REPORTING COMP ANY,INC, 400 VIRGINIA AVE., S.W., WASHINGTON,0.C. 20024 (202) 554 2345
5 1 the qualified people in the management slots.
2 Now there are two reasons why this is a potential 0 problem rather than an actual present problem.
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4 f or the cold shutdown mode and f or the f uel loading mode, 5 only one senior is required because the risk is so low and That means 6 the operations being conducted are so different.
7 they need four rather than eight during tha t time.
- Plus, 8 while they are actually moving fuel they need another senior 9 operator actually supervising che movement.
So that the 10 seven people they have are' ample for fuel loading and for 11 the nearly two-plus month period during which they will be 12 in cold shutdown during and af ter f uel loading.
13 3o the problem only arises after about 60 days 14 af ter licensing, and the pipeline has additional people in
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We are out at the plant next week giving 16 re-examinations to six senior operator candidates who f ailed 17 the previous examination; and if any reasonable number of 18 these people pass, the problem will be greatly alleviated.
19 If they do not, then they will not have enough people and we 20 will not let them go into the operating modes.
21 COMMISSIONER GIIINSKY How long will they run on 22 f our shif ts ?
23 MR. HANAUER I do not know exactly when they plan 24 to go to five or six.
Typically it is some months.
25 Bart, do you know when they plan to do that?
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MR. BUCKLEYs I do not know offhand, but it will also.
We 2 depend upon when they get a f ull-power license, is 3 believe four shif ts -- and correct me if I am wrong 3
4 adequate f or low-power operation.
And then of course it 5 would be some time bef ore five or six were required for 6 f ull-power operations.
That is some way down the road right 7 now.
8 MR. HANAUEPs Four shif ts mans the station 9 adequately.
Five and six provide for vacations and 10 training.
So we require that they start their requal 11 program three months after licensing.
So they will have to 12 go on five or six shif ts a few months after licensing.
I do 13 not know their plan.
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14 MR. ABBOTTa You are allowing them to perform fuel 15 load in a f our-shif t rotation?
16 MR. HANAUERs Pardon me?
17 MR. ABBOTT:
You are allowing them to load the 18 f uel in a f our-shif t rotation?
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Yes.
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When will they do their training 23 during this time?
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4 Reactor Operator supervising the refueling operations?
5 MR. HANAUER4 Yes.
6 MR. ABBOTT:
And a Senior Reactor Operator in the 7 con *,rol room ?
8 MR. HANAUER:
Yes.
9 MR. ABBOTTa So that is two Senior Reactor 10 Operators?
11 MR. HANAUER:
That is two while they are actually 12 moving f uel -- one out at the fuel moving, and one in the 13 con trol room or on the station; I cannL': tell you.
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In the control room.
15 MR. HANAUER:
In the control roome 16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Let's see.
They can do 17 tha t with their complement of four, do you think?
18 MR. HANAUER:
Yes.
They cannot go on indefinitely 19 t h a t way if they have only seven, but you are not shuffling 20 f uel every minute during your f uel load, either.
21 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs Could you just run over 22 those seven ?
Because a couple of them seemed tha t they were 23 in a grey area.
They had come from the supervisor's office,
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24 a nd you thought that was okay?
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MR. HANAUER:
I am now giving you some information 2 we have from the Applicant which is contained in a letter 3 dated August 25th, and in a discussion we itad with them
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5 What they to'id us was that these seven people 6 consist of, first, the four that we told you about some 7 weeks ago who have the title " Shift Foreman," " Shift 8 Senior"-- they have various titles in the company.
9 Then there is the fifth one who had an Assistant 10 Training Coordind uur title a few months aco, but they hired 11 several additional training people and have simply 12 transf erred him to the Operations.
13 MR. ABBOTT:
He is now permanently in the 14 Operations Department?
15 MR. HANAUER:
He is now permanently in the 16 Operations Department.
17 MR. ABBOTT And his training obligations are 18 ended ?
19 MR. HANAUER:
That is what they said.
20 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Are ended?
21 MR. HANAUER:
Are ended.
There is no written 22 guarantee he will not be transferred back some day, but he 23 is now a full-time Operatione Staff member.
24 The sixth and seventh people are the ones we had 25 our long discussion with them about on Wednesday.
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9 1 titles are " Senior Operating Engineer" and " Operating 2 Engineer."
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4 operating engineering work.
5 The answer is that the titles " Operating Engineer" 6 and " Senior Operating Engineer" are titles that they use for who are therefore 7 Operations people who have degrees and 8 engineers; and that they are not on the Plant Engineering 9 Staff; they are legitimately on the Plant Operating Staff; 10 and tha t they are fully available for shift works and that 11 they are not intended to be staff office supervisor types.
12 We had a long discussion with them on that, which 13 I did not attend, so I am parroting.
However, Mr. Buckley, i
14 Mr. Tedesco -- you were not at tha t one, were you, Mr.
15 Young?
16 HR. YOUNG:
No.
17 MR. HANAUER:
Mr. Buckley 18 MR. MIRALGIA:
What they explained to us on 19 Wed esday, Steve 20 MR. HANAUER:
Yes.
Mr. Miralgia was there, also.
is that these are degreed 21 MR. MIRALGIA:
22 engineers.
Thef have engineering dcgrees, and they also Their 23 have qualified Senior Reactor Operator licenses.
and augment the shift 24 normal fimetion would Le to supplement 25 sta f fing.
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4 the substantive function that these individual; vere to be 5 performing in any event.
6 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY :
What would they normally 7 be doing?
8 MR. MIRALGIA:
to supplement and to mwnitor the 9 operations of the f acility.
They would be--
10 MR. HANAUER:
To be extra SEOs.
11 MR. MIRALGIA:
Ihat is right.
12 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY4 I find that a little odd 13 to have degreed people who are backing up operators.
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14 would have thought it would be the other way around.
They 15 have no other duties?
16 MR. HANAUER:
Let me read what they said in their 17 August 25th letter.
I am on page four:
"During major test 10 programs their normal function would be to supplement the 19 shif t operating crews.
Accordingly, their on-shift duty 20 during this period does not deviate from no rmal practice."
21 Mov to complete the picture --
22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
But what does that 23 YR. HANAUER:
-- they also proposed the Operations 24 Supervisor to be their eighth SRO on shif t duty.
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11 1 forbid it during the initial test operation.
2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Are these other people 3 basically assistants to the Operations Supervisor?
4 MR. HANAUER They claim not.
They claim that at 51 east a major portion of their assigned duties is to stand 6 shif t as seniors.
7 MR. ABBOTT:
It seems rather odd 8
MR. HANAUER:
It is.
9 MR. ABBOTT 4
-- that tha t would be their assigned 10 duties, when in fact in the organizational chart they are 11 separated out, if that is the person you are talking about.
12 There is a block on the organizational chart which says, 13 " Operations Engineer."
I assume th'at block has a specific 14 job description that goes along with it which is part of the
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I do not quite understand.
16 MR. HANAUER:
Neither do we, quite.
That is why 17 we had such an extensive discussion with them.
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21 t h a t they should be.
22 MR. ABBOTT 4 Then why are they on the 23 organizational chart the way they are?
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1 with PGCE at the meeting on Wednesday went along the lines 2 that PGCE has undergone a substantial recruiting program.
m 3 What they have done is they have tried to bolster "an 4 engineering group" in every function.
5 Now this i; not to supplant the overall 6 engineering staff effort; it is to give each unit some pool 7 of engineering talent.
So that this Operations Engineering 8 Group is a rather new structure, and is being bolstered to 9 add engineering talent to Opera tions.
They have a similar 10 engineering staff within the Faintenance organization, and 11 it is an ef fort with the utility to bolster engineering 12 talent at the various divisions in Operations of the plant 13 sta f f.
14 ME. ABBOTT 4 Well, under normal conditions, then, 15 if they nad a full complement of operators, those people 16 would probably be reviewing things like opera ting 17 procedures, surveillance tests, results of surveillance 18 tests, and things like that ?
19 MR. MIEAlGIA:
That is correct.
20 MR. ABBOTT If they are on shift, they will be 21 unable to do that.
22 MR. MIRAIGIA They would be unable to do thats 23 b u t there will also be a -- if the people who do not pass
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24 the candidacy test, then, who do not go to Operations, they 25 can use those people to f ulfill those f unctions.
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MR. ABBOTT:
But those people supposedly would be 2 in a retraining program to retake the exam.
I mean, again fm 3 you are requiring a person to do two jobs at the same time.
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4 MR. HANAUER:
They are somewhat shorthanded.
5 There is no getting around that.
6 MR. ABB3TT:
I agree.
7 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
It looks as if the 8 Operations Engineer is a direct supervisor of the Shift 9 Technical Advisor.
10 MR. HANAUER:
That is correct.
11 MR. YOUNG:
They are in the same pool with the 12 Shif t Technical Advisors reporting to the Operations 13 Supervisor.
The enJineering staff required to do 14 surveillance testing work for the Power Plant Engineer.
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15 They do not work for the Operations Supervisor.
H3 MR. ABBOTT:
Do you mean the surveillance tests 17 are done by another group other than operators?
18 MR. YOUNG:
The surveillance tests of the core, 19 the people who keep a record of that, they all work for the 20 Power Plant Engineer who is a Technical Supervisor.
21 MR. ABBOTT:
Fine.
I understand.
But there are 22 rou tine surveillance tests on pumps and valves which is 23 normally done by operators, and in turn the results from 24 those tests are reviewed by the Shif t Supervisor and the 25 Operations Superintendent.
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14 1 Operations EnqLneer would be supporting a review function 2 and rewrite of procedures.
That is the way it looks to me.
3 HR. BUCKLEY But they do point out in here that s
4 the existing Shift Supervisors who are not licensed are 5 th 3re to -- let me just read its "In this scenario, the 6 existing Shif t Supervisors who are not licensed at the time 7 will be avs11aDie to assume the duties of the Operations 1
8 Engineers."
9 MR. ABBOTT Then they will not be in retraining 10 f or taking the licensing exam.
11 MR. BUCKLEY:
That is a possibility -- That is 12 Correct.
15 MR. ABBOTT Unless they are requiring them to do 14 two things at the same time.
15 MR. BUCKLEY:
No, I do not believe that --
16 MR. ABBOTT :
That is, retraining and fulfilling 17 the Operating Engineers' function.
18 MR. BUCKLEY:
I de not believe they are.
19 MR. YOUNG 4 They are going to be retested next 20 w ee k.
21 MR. BUCKLEY4 The six SRos.
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And if they flunk, they will -- I l
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COEMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, if the whole bunch 24 25 of them passed the test and they are way over the required l
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S COMMISSIONER GILINSKY :
And we are talking about 6 the situation as it is today.
7 MR. MIRALGIA:
-- where there is zero -- Yes, as 8 it exists today and if the results of the tests next week 9 produce no licensed Senior Operators.
10 MR. HANAUER:
Or not enough.
11 MR. MIRALGIA:
Or not enough.
12 MR. HANAUER:
That is right 13 MR. MIRALGIAs There are other candidates --
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15 not get licenses for this function, then during that time 16 their retraining vill be suspended or diminished.
17 MR. ABBOTT Eliminated.
18 MR. MIRALGIAs No.
I think their intent is t 19 if they had to, they would use overtime for training 20 purposes.
21 MR. BUCKLEY:
But 'his is only for a short period 22 of time, too.
They are act talking about a very, very long 23 period of time.
25 MR. BUCKLEY:
Well, the program itself --
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.1 MR. MIRALGIA:
There are arother group of 2 candidates that will be ready for te sting in December, apart 3 f ro m the individuals we are talking about here.
4 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, you have to deal 5 with what is in front of us.
If they get a whole bunch more 6 operators, or senior operators, then the situation will be 7 dif ferent.
8 ER. HANAUEBs This plant, like many plants, is 9 having difficulty keeping enough people ~in their licensed 10 operating staf f.
We are roughly doubling the number of 11 plants licensed to operate in recent past and the next few 12 years.
We have substantially increased the number of 13 licensed people required.
We have increased the difficulty 14 of the licensing hurdle.
We have increased the 15 qualification and experience requirements of the people.
16 All of these things have created somewhat synergistically a 17 shortage nationwide of qualified people to be licensed f
18 operating crews in all the plants.
Some plants are pirating qualified people one from 19 l
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21 plants such as Diablo and more recently, for example, Salem, 22 this creates problems of significance.
Whether we finally 23 g e t to so9e plant where getting the right number and 24 adequate crew is the critical path, I think ic is probably a w
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2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs How are these kept up?
3 MR. HANAUER:
They de not seem to have a lot of 4 trouble recruiting into programs.
Salaries have increased.
5Most companies, including Pacific Gas & Electric, now pay a 6 substantial bonus for people for getting licenses.
7 MR. BUCKLEYs For example, a SRO gets a 8 $400-a-month bonus per month and a 10 percent raise every 9 year.
10 MB. ABBOTTs Is this a union plan t?
Are the 11 operations under --
12 MR. YOUNG 4 Yes, IBEW.
13 MR. ABBOTT Where is the breakoff between
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15 HR. YOUNG:
The Senior Control Room Operators' 16 level.
17 MR. ABBOTTs The Senior Control Room Operator--
18 MR. YOUNGS Is a member of the union.
is a member of the union.
He 19 MR. ABBOTT:
20 holds an SRO?
21 MR. YOUNG:
Yes.
22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKv:
What is the signifierace 23 o f that?
l, 24 MR. AC?,T"Tr I was just curious.
25 (Laughter.)
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MR. ABBOTT:
One other thing is that sometimes 2 when plants get tight on operators -- and this is a tight the union expresses some concern over it.
That is 3 plant 4 another question that could be asked:
Has the union 5 expressed any concern over this four-shif t rotation?
6 The four-shift rotation makes it difficult for 7 people to go on vacation.
If people are sick, then you have 8 to work overtime.
There is no slack whatsoever.
You have 9 three shif ts to cover and a day off.
That is four shifts.
10 MR. MIRALGIA:
I think believe it is their intent 11 to be on five shif ts by tha t time, by the time of full 12 power.
13 MR. ABBOTT:
That is in six months, though.
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The exact time they are going to five shifts I am 16 not sure, but I would expect it would be around December.
17 MR. ABBOTTs That was more of a comment than 18 any thing else.
Four shifts are rough.
l 19 MR. YOUNGS The union is in agreement with PGCE on 20 this arrangement.
l 21 MR. ABBOTT 4 Fine.
22 MR. HANAUER:
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2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Was this Salem?
3 MR. HANAUER:
Yes.
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ME. BUCKLEYa But from the time they pull a few 5 control rods, I would say, and complete their low-power test 6 program, you are talking about a period of about six weeks, 7 I would imagine.
8 MR. ABBOTT That is a very intense time, though.
9 The refueling is an intense time.
10 MR. BUCKLEY:
But they will have --
11 MR. ABBOTT :
Full-power testing is an intense 12 tim e.
You are going through evolutions that have never been 13 performed in the plant before, and to have people stretched 14 thin I do not think is a good idea.
15 MR. BUCKLEYs But seven or eight of their startup 16 engineers have participated in the low-power test program at 17 other plants.
18 3R. ABBOTTs Well, there is a difference between a 19 startup engineering and in operator.
A startup engineer is 20 a kind of a cabitser.
He sits back and looks over the 21 o pe rators' shoulders.
The ultimate responsibility for what 22 is done there is the operator's; it is not the shift 23 technical engineer.
24 MR. BUCKLEY:
That is correct.
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20 1the shift test engineer, other than to say he may correct a 2 mistake or assist in the interpretation of some particular 3 evolutions.
As far as doing the work, that is done by the
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The valves a re opened 5 and shut by the operator.
The pumps are turned on and off 6 by ti,e operator.
The recording of test results is done by 7 the op3rator in some cases.
8 MR. YOUNG:
The recording of test results will not 9 be done by the operator at Diablo Canyon.
That will be done 10 b y the startup engineer vl.o works for General Construction.
11 MB. ABBOTT Fine.
But the actual performance of 12 the test will be done by the operator?
13 MB. YOUNGS The op? cation of the plant will be 14 done by the operator; yes.
15 MR. ABBOTT Okay.
16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
The other point you raised You might say 17 yesterday was the matter of experience.
18 something about that, the condition tha t you propose to 19 a pply.
1 MR. HANAUER:
The experience of the senior 20 i
21 operators is shown on this table that we discussed A number of them have power reactor operating 22 yesterday.
23 experien ce, but none of them has opera ting experience with a 24 large pressurized water reactor.
'de theref ore plan to --
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I thought you had 5 told us th a t.
6 MR. HANAUER:
I think that is correct.
We 7 theref ore r.copose a license condition that is part of 8 yesterday's handout that until the plant gets to 100 percent 9 power level, or for the fir st year if they have trouble, 10 they have to augment each shif t with a person experienced in 111arge pressurized water reactors -
" experience" being 12 either a year of experience in PWR operation, er have 13 participated in the startup of at least three large 14 pressurized water reactors.
15 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs And what is he or she 16 going to do?
17 MR. HANAUERs He or she will be an extra person in the best 18 the control room, kind of an advisor, which is not 19 arrangement but it is what you have to do in situations like 20 this.
21 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY Sort of like a shift 22 technical advisor?
23 MR. HANAUER:
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So would they be sort of 8 consultants available if the operators wanted to get advice ?
9 MR. HANAUER:
I would --
10 COMMISSIONER GILISSKYa Or I suppose they could 11 speak up if they saw something?
12 MR. HANAUER4 I would think they would have the 13 mandate to speak up, whether they wedb consulted or not.
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16 MR. HANAUER:
Not the actual licensed manipulation 17 of the controls, that they cannot do.
18 MR. MIRALCIA:
This is to augment in terms of 19 experience, and this would be in addition to the normal 20 complement of startup engineers that PGCE has.
They have 21 their own startup engineering group, and they have indicated 22 to us that their startup engineers f rom their group have 23 participated in and gone to say Salem, and North Anna, and 24 some of the recently licensed facilities to observe the 25 startups of those f acilities, the fuel loading of those ALDEP. SON REPORTING COMPANY,INC, 400 VIRGINIA AVE., S.W WASHINGTON. D.C. 20024 (202) 554-2345
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These are their own engineers.
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MR. MIRALGIA:
Yes.
6 MR. HANAUER:
Yes.
7 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
And what was their 8 reaction?
9 MR. MIRALGIA:
They said they had no problem with 10 it.
They haec contracted with Westinghouse to provide this 11 experience, up to and including up to 100 percent power.
12 They had already entered into this centract.
13 MR. HANAUER:
We told them some time ago we would
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15 MR. MIRALGIA:
We would require that, and 16 Supplement No. 12 of the SER indicated that we had discussed 17 it with them; they committed to it, and we said we would 18 require it as a license condition reflecting that commitmen t 19 and tha t was a requirement that was in that SER supplement.
20 MR. YOUNGS And they have already signed a 21 con tract for it.
22 MR. BUCKLEY:
In addition, they have a similar 23 con tract with Bec.111 Corporation.
They also have a 24 Westinghoue contractor, Rad Chemistry and Instrumentation 25 support, also.
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MR. ABBOTTa I take it in the second sentence of 2 the license condition, "These individuals shall have at 3 least one year of experience in PWR operation," do you mean 4 commercial PWR operation?
5 MR. HANAUER:
Yes, sir.
6 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
But not necessarily 7 license.
8 MR. HANAUER:
" Commercial" is the wrong word.
We 9 sean large PWRs.
" Commercial" is a contract term they use.
10 The dif f erence between operation bef ore the plant is 11 declared in " commercial operation" and af terwards is not 12 MR. ABBCTTs Would Navy experience count in that 13 sense?
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16 MR. ABBOTT 4 But not only Navy experience?
17 MR. HANAUERs Some of them have only Navy 10 experience.
19 MR. YOUNG:
Are we talking about Westinghouse?
20 MR. ABBOTTs I am talking about the second 21 sentence in the license condition.
22 MR. MIRALGIA He is talking about the augment.
23 MR. HANAUER:
We mean "large pressurized water 24 reactors," not " Naval reactors."
25 MR. ABBOTT:
Maybe it should say that.
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MR. HANAUER:
I think it does.
It says --
2 MR. ABBOTT 4 It says, "These individuais shall 3 have at least one year of PWR operation."
4 MR. HANAUER:
Operation of large PWRs.
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' COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs And what passes for 6" experience," since you do not require them to have been 7 previously licensed?
8 MR. HANAUER:
We do not insist that it be licensed 9 because thane Westinghouse people are not currently 1
10 licensed, and some of them have participated in operation in 11 various ways which gives them, we think, the necessary 12 understanding and experience of the or.: ration of these 13 pla nts.
14 COBMISSIONER GILINSKYs But you do not require 15 them to have been previously licensed?
16 MR. HANAUER:
No, sir, we do not.
Some of them 17 are, some of them are not.
Some of them are startup 18 engineers who have been through this process several times 19 and participated intimately, but not as a licensed person.
20 MR. ABBOTTs What about the nonlic?nsed 21 operators?
How many nonlicensed operators in the plant ?
22 MR. BUCKLEY:
Auxiliary operators?
23 MR. ABBOTTs Right.
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5 MR. YOUNGa Initially they will have two per 6 shift, and then they will have three per shift.
7 MR. ABBOTT So when they start out they will have 8 two auxiliary operators and three licensed operators?
9 MR. YOUNGS Two auxiliary operators per shift, and when the 10 then in about twc months they will add a third one 11 activity picks up.
12 MR. ABBOTTa Why the delay?
13 MR. YOUNGS They will not be heating up for about 4
14 60 days af ter they get a license.
15 MR. BUCKLEYa The number "37" sticks in my mind.
large number of auxiliary opera tors, and if I am 16 They have a 17 srong, I will get back to you.
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The Tech Specs for the facility
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20 MR. ABBOTI:
That is the minimum requirement?
21 MR. MIRALGIAs Right.
For modes one, two, and 22 three.
23 MR. ABBOTTs What is the experience there?
Do you 24know?
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They have a lot of fossil fuel 3 stations.
They also had Humboldt Bay experience.
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The short answer is:
We do not 5 know.
6 MR. MIRALGIA:
We really do not know.
7 MR. YOUNG:
Well, I do know, 8
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9 MR. HANAUER:
Let's give him a chance to say.
10 MR. YOUNGS The auxiliary operators have a 11 journeyman training program that they must go through within 12 PGEE which is two years long.
So all of the auxiliary 13 operators will have at least two years of experience.
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14 MR. ABBOTT:
That is for tra entry-level position 15 in the Operations staff?
16 MR. YOUNG:
That is entry-level position.
17 MR. ABB3TT:
So he has two years' of experience in 18 the PGEE system prior to becoming the lowest level auxiliary 19 operator?
20 MR. YOUNG:
That is right.
21 MR. ABBOTT:
Is there a nonlicensed operator 22 program?
What is the next level up?
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The next level, according to the Tech
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6 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
I think we have exhausted 7 that subject.
8 MR. ABBOTT:
Yes.
9 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY Is there anything else?
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I can talk a little about the 11 control room.
There is nothing remarkable about it.
I can 12 talk a little about the procedures.
There is nothing 13 remarkable about them.
They are in both cases similar to 14 those of other Westinghouse plants recently licensed -- not 15 remarkable good, and not remarkably bad.
16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa We spent a day going 17 through them.
18 MR. HANAUER:
Actually, the control room is pretty 19 good on the scale.
It is conventional,"aut it actually came 20 of f rather well in our view.
21 MR. ABBOTTs The work that is going on in Unit 2, 22 in the control room -- I gues-the two panels f or Unit 2--
23 h ow are they going to prevent work going on in Unit 2 from
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Most of the hardware is in plant in 2 the Unit 2 control panel.
The bulk of what is going to be 3 happening there is tne pulling of wires into the control
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6 MR. ABBOTT That means there may be a lot of 7 alarms going off ?
8 MR. YOUNG:
There will be some alarms going off, 9 but the alarms -- wherever you are in the control room in to the operating area of the control room, you can decide very 11 distinctively which panel the alarm is coming from.
So this 12 would not interf ere with the operation of Unit 1.
I spent 13 many hours in the control room in hot f unctional testing in
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15 MR. ABBOTT:
Would you say an alarm from Unit 2 16 would be a distraction to an operator in Gnit 17 17 MR. YOUNG:
No.
18 MR. ABB3TT:
Not at all?
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22 MR. YOUNG:
The sound is not different, but it is 23 coming from a different location.
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Will there be any administrative controls placed on 2 the operation of the Unit 2 control room during this 3 low-power testing to prevent interference from Unit 2 into 4 the Unit 17 5
MR. YOUNG The numbers of people in the control 6 room will be controlled.
The work that is going on in Unit 7 2 control room will be controlled, because Unit 2 will be in 8 the security area.
The Unit 2 control room will be in the 9 Unit 1' security area.
There is a security barrier between 10 Units 1 and 2 to prevelat construction workers on Unit 2 just 11 waltzing over into the Unit 1 side.
So that work will be 12 con trolled administratively, yes.
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I think the 15 waste building is common?
16 MR. HANAUERs Yes.
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3 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa I think we have some 4 lawyers worked up over the fact that we are talking about 5 physical security; righ t?
6 ER. PARRISH:
Absolutely, and in waste disposal at 7 the plant.
8 MR. GLMSTEAD:
I just want you to be awaro that 9 the security of the plant is protected inf o rma tion.
10 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs You are raising the point 11 that security inf ormation --
12 MR. OLMSTEAD:
When you got started talking about 13 talking about the security plan, I just wanted you to be
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15 pla n, as opposed to -- I was not having problems with the 16 discussion you were having, but it was starting to move in 17 tha t direction.
18 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
You are afraid we are 19 going to reveal details of the plan?
20 MR. PARRISH As well as the fact that the 21 decision --
22 MR. ABBOTTs Let me rephrase the question, then.
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Are those going to be 2 administrative 1y handled to prevent such an occurrence, 3 without addressing the securi'ty?
4 MR. YOUNG:
Some of those systems are 5 interecnnected, yes.
All the systems that are 6 interconnected will be controlled by the shif t supervisor on 7 duty in Unit 1.
8 MR. ABBOTTs Is there something, equipment tag-out 9 or some sort of equipment procedure, which divides those 10 common systems down so that if you are draining a 11 service-water pump on Unit 2, it is not going to drain the 12 service-water system on Unit 17 13 MR. YOUNG:
That is correct.
They have a tagging 14 system, and all those interconnecting valves will be tagged 15 o u t.
16 MR. ABBOTT:
That answers my question.
17 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
let's see.
I had one sort 18 of general questi.on.
When we were there visiting the plant, 19 they demonstrated a number of computer systems and they had j
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I wondered they were still deb ugging?
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4 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
That's the reason why.
5 MR. YOUNG:
The system is still being debugged 6 right now.
The operato!:s are being taught how to operate 7 them; yes.
8 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa And is this something that 9 we check?
10 MR. YOUNGa Yes.
En a matter of fact, most of 11 tha t was a part of -- I guess we are getting i.nto the 12 emergency plan now.
13 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, part of it was.
s) 14 Part of it was just getting, for example, temperature data 15 in the core.
In another instance, they were demonstrating 16 their retrieval system f or documents and the --
17 MR. YOUNG:
Tech Support Center?
Tech Support Center.
18 COMMISSIONEB GILINSKY:
19 In all of these areas, they seemed to have difficulty making 20 the computer system work.
21 MR. YOUNG:
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They are 24 continually debugging it, and I would expect it is going to 25 work much be tte r.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, are these things 2 that-- you were along at least for most of tha t, and the 3 resident inspector was, too.
I would hope that they would 4 pursue that and check to see whether you felt they had 5 gotten them working.
6 MR. YOUNG:
I do not know.
I cannot say right now 7 that they have gotten them working, but I know they will be 8 working by the time they are licensed.
9 MR. KELLY:
Those are not required to be working.
10 Those are not safety-grade pieces of equipment, and they are 11 not covered by Tech Specs.
If they work or do not work, 12 they are not under any type of license conditions to require 13 tha t they be operational.
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15 break a seal on a main coolant pump, and you cannot find a 16 print in order to repair it, that is kind of a problem is it 17 not?
18 MB. 1UCKLEY:
Yes.
But you have to take the 19 corrective action before --
20 MB. ABBOTT:
Yes, I know.
Never mind.
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5 MR. ABBOTT:
We did not see that.
6 MR. YOUNG:
You were not in the administration 7 building ; you were in the tech support center.
8 MR. ABBOTTs Okay, what information is available 9 to the operator for performing equipment markups, tagouts?
10 MR. YOUNGS He goes to the record management 11 system, the hand-drawn system right now 12 MR. ABBOTTs That is in the admin building?
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He has some PNIV, a book of PNIVs 16 in the control room, yes.
But if he wants a print of some 17 particular system, he may have to go to the record 18 management system and retrieve it.
19 MR. ABBOTTs Are those just piping and 20 instrumentation drawings?
21 MR. YOUNG:
That is what the PNIV s are, yes.
22 MR. ABBOTTs And that is it?
That is the only 23 thing in the control room?
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MR. ABBOTTs There are no logic diagrams or 3 instrumentation --
4 MR. YOUNGS Yes, logic diagrams; diagrams of each 5 instrument; the alarms on the annunciator --
6 MR. ABBOTT:
How about the electrical on-line 7 diagrams?
Are they there, too?
8 MR. YOUNGS Yes.
The things that an operator that 9 needs; but if he has a seal that has to be -- a pump 10 has to be repaired or something like that, he does not have 11 tha t there.
He would not be doing tha t work, anyway.
12 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs But it does seem that in center they gone to some trouble to get a 13 the tech support
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It may be right now, 19 working on it.
20 COMMISSIONEF GILINSKYs And it does seem to me 21 tha t retrieving the temperature data in the core, that that 221s something that is required.
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That is in the control 24 r oo m.
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There is nothing 2 not safety grade, and the inputs to the computer are not f-3 saf ety grade.
I am not even sure whether they are powered b) 4 of f of a IE bus or not.
5 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Obviously they could not 6get temperature data because they were not operating.
They 7 could not retrieve the right program.
8 MR. KELLY:
They have a manual way that they can 9 go and treat it, even if they have to go and take a volt 10 meter and read the voltage across the inputs in the back 11 panels.
They can do that, and then they can interpolate 12 f rom tha t.
That is their backup procedure if the computers 13 do not operate.
14 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
I understand that, but I 15 thought there was a requirement that you be able to retrieve 16 inf orma tion.
17 MR. HANAUER:
There is a requirement.
In fact, 13 the re i s a redundancy requireme n t.
The operative da te is 19 January 1st, 1982, on the redundancy requirement.
What they 20 have is, first, the computer system; and secondly, a 21 hard-wired gadget at the moment.
It is one of the 22 old-styled Westinghouse bullwheels.
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We went by all that.
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Okay.
I do not have 3 anything f urther at this point.
Thank you very much.
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