ML19347E994
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| Issue date: | 05/06/1981 |
| From: | Bradford P, Gilinsky V, Hendrie J NRC COMMISSION (OCM) |
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COMMISSION MEETING DISCUSSION OF POLICY, PLANNING AND PROGRAM GUIDANCE FOR FY 83-87 DATE:
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12 JOSEPH M. HENDRIE, Chairman, pres', ding.
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2 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
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3 We meet this afternoon to continue our discussion
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4 of' the policy, planning and program guidance for fisca years e
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making some progress,through the drafts.
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which I believe is to be followed best in a graph passed 2i h
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12 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
This draft which works off an old
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13 OPE document does not have page numbers.
14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
If you will turn six pages 2
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It starts out "2.0" at the top.
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17 Is that the right page?
18 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
One more page back.
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21 On the next page, we labeled the old "2.1" as "2.0."
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2 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Fine.
3 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I had added a 2.1 to try to 4
pick up a point Peter had raised, commiting us to apply and
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6 12 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I have no problem.
I 13 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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15 and he said Bill Dircks had such a review underway.
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19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Do you want to strike that, 20 21 Peter?
COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I guess so.
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23 optimistically and hope we will have it s o:.ve d.
CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Fine.
24 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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You could say the Commission is 2
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12 focusing on a problem, I&E has picked it up.
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15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
The words need a little help.
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20 in 2.4 was I&E ought to be pi.cking up the results of the 21 evaluation of operating data such as they are already doing.
It 22 is not worded particularly well but that is the concept.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Presumably they do this.
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and look at that.
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Yes.
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I think the thought is fine.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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2.5, Peter's comment was to 21 strike "in" at the top which changes it to having the NRC be in compliance to having to ' focus it.
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Joe had recommended deleting the sentence which i
starts with " licensees."
What I had proposed was a modification 24 25 f to that.
I am not sure that meets Joe's problem.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Who put in " serious"?
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2 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Joe wanted to delete the 3
whole sentence.
I tried to come up with a compromise, a
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"whose" and " serious."
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CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I don't much care.
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20 job has collapsed, they are moving out, an awful lot of th'ose 21 are going right out of the field, at least insofar as being 22 connected with plant operations.
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presence which for whatever our intentions may have been, we 24 have managed to create the impression that we are going around 25l looking to make trouble for people.
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Let's put it in.
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'5 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: I have no oofection.
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We agree.
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of the licensee that pose a serious threat to the public health 13 o
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15 non-compliance with the regulations, I find it unnecessary to declare that in that case the agency will take steps, to obey 16 g
17 the law and carry out its responsibilities under the Atomic 18 Energy Act.
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20 just as soon do that at the front of the document in a general 21 statement, that I will uphold the law.
I do not see the need 22 to repeat it here in the middle.
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I am against that third sentence.
I would like to 24f see my help for good guys.
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serious threat and will not be permitted to operate.
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hope that we have the fruits of the safety goal labor with 20 gj or without public meetings.
It is the kind of thing you have to say very 22 23 generally or else really be prepared to commit about five Commission meetings to working out a policy.
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20 less guard in the guard shack as specified in the manning 21 schedules for the plant in its safety analysis report and 22 security plan.
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I would have to say that the plant can 2
operate even though there is not adequate protection.
3 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I agree.
4 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
It sesms to me there are a
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I 13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: That happens all the time.
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18 for shut down, prompt shut down, it seems to me to be all right 19 to' use a staridard that is necessary and s':ricter than the' k
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21 As far as adequate protection is concerned, what 22 you are really saying is some conditions you are not prepared 23,
to have last any longer and some you will tolerate until the 24l next refueling and some you will tolerate for some defined 25 ;
period of time out in the future.
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for one violation might mean it existed from the moment of the 2
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21 If you get to the end of that two years, the fact 22 is a chance of an earthquake or whatever else, it is probably 23 about the same period of time it was when you started.
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and why won' t you ext end it for another two years?
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If you kept doing that, you would run into trouble.
2 You cannot say there is a serious threat posed by that plant.
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20 if you could justify going the first two years, you could 21 justify doing It an additional two years.
What you cannot do 22 is let the agency fall into that pattern of decision-making.
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it goes without saying then suggest there are other cases where yotk might apply a different standard.
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What happened to " unable" or " unwilling".
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17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Peter?
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20 MR. BICKWIT:
I have a problem with the old language.
21 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
The old language is in contra-22 diction to what we just got through saying.
23 C0!@!ISSIONER GILINSKY:
Not if you qualify it 24 and say it does not apply in every case.
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How do you do that?
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Vic, what was your suggestion?
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Keeping it in brackets?
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What is in brackets, I md Joe 25.
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All right.
On 3.0, I had 18 proposed including something and this is in the other guidance 5
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I think we should say something about fast breeder.
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21 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Is that a reasonable 22 assumption that Clinch R'iver will not be licensed?
Is that 23 where they are headed?
24 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I don't know.
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Leave it blank.
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