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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
4 DISCUSSION OF POLICY PLANNING & PROGR AM 5
GUIDANCE FOR FY-83-87 6
7 Room 1130, 8
1717 H Street, N.W.
Washington, D. C.
9 Tuesday, April 21, 1981 10 11 The Com'aission met at 2:30 p.m.,
pursuant to 12 notice, Joseph Hendrie, Chairman of the Commission, 13 presiding.
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14 Commissioners presenta Chairman Joseph Hendrie, 15 Commissioner John Ahearne, and Commissioner Peter Bradford.
16 Present for the NRC Staff /0PE:
17 D. Rathburn G. Eysynondt 18 Present for the NRC Secretary's Office:
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20 Present for th e NRC Office of General Counsel 21 L. BICKWIT, Esq.
22 Present for the NRC Office of Nuclear Reactor Reculations M
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CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
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3 The Commission meets this afternoon to continue 4 its relentless advance upon Policy Planning and Program 5 Guides.
We have an April 17th paper from Commissioner 6 Ahearne, which we.will work from.
We were about to go to 7 the second page of tha t, I believe.
8 Let me ask, on the first page of John's workinghaper, have you got this current one, Peter?
9 pageofJohn'sworkingfaper,didwe 10 On the first 11 ever decide up a't the top in 1.2.5 to implement solutions, 1
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13 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
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14 CONNISSIONER BBADFORD:
Yes.
15 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Let's advance on the second 16 page, 2.0 Implementing New Reactor Safety Requirements.
l 17 COHHISSIONER AHEARNE:
Now, as I said the last 18 time, the underlined sentences were just an attempt, in l
19 response to OPE's comment that they were raising that we did 20 not have a backfitting statement, and what would a possible 21 one be.
So I propose this one. not because I thought it was l
22 the best possible statement, but it was the only one that I l
23 could come up with.
I 24 CHAIHHAN HENDRIE I will say that I am not too l
25 keen on it.
I am not too sure what my problems are.
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1 CONNISSIONER BRADFORD:
Probably the word 2 " closed."
3 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs Yes, among other things.
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5 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEa We have got a regulation about 6 backfitting that says that an iten will be backfit where it 7 is necessary to provide substantial additional protection to 8 the public henith and safety,and so on.
9 I don't know there are some elements here that go 10 beyond the sort of language that lies in the regulations 11 now, and I guess I would prefer not to try to elucidate a l
12 backfitting policy in the context of the consideration we 13 give this document, not that it is an inappropriate activity
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14 at some point, but I would think I would prefer a more 15 considered ipproach than simply further punctuation on this 16 statement.
l 17 At varleus times, we have talked a little bit 18 along these outlines in testimony, or other places.
But I 19 am not sure that we have ever spelled out a concept tha t 20 says, here is a minimum level, but there are other 21 requirements, and there is some sort of a tapering scale 22 above that upon cost difficulty and benefit.
23 I can remember waving hands over remarks of that 24 kind, as I say, in various hearings and discussions, but I 25 guess I am reluctant to lay down here in a guidance document.
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3 COHNISSIONER BR ADFORD:
I can see saying that'we 4 probably will not be able to arrive at a comprehensive backfit policy within the timef rame that we are talking 5
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I think if we start saying l
7 that the individual policy items are somehow too important 8 for the PPPG process, then we really ought not to be doing a 9 PPPG at all.
l 10 I see your ooint, which is that the three of us
'11 sitting here right now are probably not going to improve on 12 the backfit policy at today's meeting.
If this is to be a 13 guidance document for this budget cycle, we probably can't 14 hold on to it until we do, in f act, work out a backfit 15 policy.
16 At the same time, I would not want, by deferring 17 it, if that is what we wind up doing, to be a establishing a l
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19 context of the PPPG.
What it probably means is that we l
20 should start earlier, at least have some particular sessions 21 on the problem areas.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Before we move on, just let 23 me ask a question on this specific thing.
It would seem to 24 se that at least underlying the approach th at the staff 25 takes, must be something like this.
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1 CONEISSIONER BRADFORD:
That is right.
2 Is there, in fact, now a Backfit Consittee that
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4 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
You mean the regulatory 5 requirement for the committee?
6 COHNISSIONER BRADFORD:
Yes.
7 NR. THOMPSON 4 No.
We do have an organization, a the Division of Safety Technology, which has kind of 9 overtaken that function.
So we do have a group, but ther 10 are not the division directors, as it had been previously.
11 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
My point was, whoever looks 12 at these things must have in their mind some approach like 13 that.
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14 COMMISSIONER BR ADFORD:
They must apply the 15 regulation f or this.
16 NB. BICKWITT:
I don't think that this is 17 inconsistent with the regulation, but I think they are 18 additive.
I think the regulation goes beyond this, and this 19 goes beyond the regulation.
I guess I would agree with the 20 proposition that every regulator must have something like 21 this in his mind.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I will concede.
23 COMMISSIGNER BRADFORD:
Don't quite yet.
I was 24 going to say that this doesn't trouble me.
I was just 25 trying to work out a way around it.
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3 effort where the safety benefit appears to be greatest in 4 terms of an attack on things.
It doesn't seem to me that 5 the first sentences up there are necessary for that 6 purpose.
7 I have a problem with them in that they seem to 8 constitute a formalization or semi-formalization part of a l
9 backfit policy that we,in effect, would be adopting ad hoc l
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11 acre before we do that.
12 I would prefer to start with the third sentence, 13 "In applying future regulatory requirements to operating
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14 plants," etc.
15 COMMISSIONEE.tHEARNE:
I will concede that.
16 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I take it that when we finally 17 publish the PQG that the comment from NRR --
18 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Will they give us some 19 guidance?
20 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Will they please give us some 21 guidance.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
It just says that they 23 sought Commission guidance once more to the.well empty.
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4 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I don't sind doing that, 5 but one reason that I would not push more for dealing with 8 this now is that it seems to me that, perhaps misguidedly, 7 that something in this area has to come out of the safety 8 goal effort.
Anything we say between now and the-point at 9 which that effort begins to bear fruit is not going to be 10 auch more than a patch on the existing process anyway.
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I would think that is right.
12 We vill return the comment to NRR and they may 13 vant to use it next year.
14 Now, let's see, 2 1 has brackets around it.
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18 indicated that OPE had originally suggested that it was a 17 candidate for removal.
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18 would like to delete it.
I had said tha t it was necessary 19 to keep it if we were going to speak to the backfit policy.
20 It was in there last year.
21 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
That one was in?
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Where was it last year 7 24 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD4 I don ' t kno w.
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25 show up in the PPPG for last year, does it, the one where 1
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2 HR. EYSYHONT:
I think that that is an error.
I 3 believe it was in last year's.
4 CORMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I said that because I 5 thought my understanding was that items bracketed were 6 things that had been in before, and were being suggested.
7 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD That is right.
I was just 8 thrown off because it did not appear on the left-hand page.
9 MR. EYSYMONTs If it doesn't appear on the 10 lef t-hand page, it is an error.
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
The OPE one of February 27, 12 which I continue to occasionally refer to as the background 13 document, I don't find it on any page.
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15 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
Here is where it is.
16 Unfortunately, there are no page numbers.
17 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs You seem to be well toward the 18 back of the document, let me look over here and see if it 19 there.
Yes, there it is.
20 Since we are now a year later than the time when 21 the language "immediate action will be take n,," it would seen 22 more appropriate and I would be more inclined to either 23 delete it or to say, " action will continue to be taken," if 24 you would prefer to keep it.
25 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
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2 COHHISSIONER AHEARNE:
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3 COMMISSIONER BR ADFORD:
I would prefer to keep 4 it.
5 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE Okay, it stays in with the 6 language " actions will continue to be taken," etc, etc.
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2.2, there is no objection.
8 2.2.1, OPE says to scratch it.
I say,-scratch 9 it.
10 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
John is willing to delete 11 it, primarily because I as afraid many of our value impact 12 analyses are not worth very much.
13 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
No value, no impact.
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15 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
We vill take it out.
16 2.3.
17 COMNISSIONER AHEARNE4 Peter, I tried to --
nake something of that 18 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
19 somewhat incoherent comment of mine, and I think you did.
20 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE Good.
Without objection.
21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Peter is still reading 22 through it.
23 COMMISSIONER BR ADFORD :
It is fine.
24 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
At this stage, it may not be 25 helpful to read too carefully.
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5 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
2.3.1, 2.3.2.
6 dOHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
On 2.3.3, you still had 7 preferred to take it out.
I urged to keep it in.
Peter had 8
9 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Peter edited it.
10 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
He said he would agree with 11 it, but not once a year.
12 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Will you accept his edit?
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15 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
I see.
16 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
I will accept anything that 17 is in this version I sent out, if that is helpf ul to you.
18 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
No need to be inflexible, 19 John.
It will tand with the edit, "once a year" taken out.
20 In 2.4, should we preface that by saying, "It is 21 devoutly to be hoped that"?
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
This is planning guidance.
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Those are words understood for 24 the whole section, then?
25 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
That is right.
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5 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
At least, you won't have 6 appropriated funds to get to 1984.
7 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:, That is right.
We will be the 8 voluntary regulatory commission.
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What am 11 I missing in the second half of that, "or for ao more than 12 one reactor design at a site with reactors of different 13 designs."
Does it mean that if he is at a site with i
14 reac*. ors of the same design, ne can be responsible for more 15 than one?
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16 MR. BICKWIT:
I don't think so.
17 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
You don't think so?
18 MB. BICKWITT:
No, not given the first clause.
19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Except that it says, or.
20 MR. BICKWITT:
Still, "or" in that sense 21 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
"Or" doesn't do it.
22 MR. BICKWITT "Or" in that context means "and."
23 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Why not?
24 MR. BICKWITT:
If you want to say, "either/or,"
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2 COHEISSIONER AHEARNE:
In other words, you are 3 saying that to have the mathematical use of "or," you would
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5 NH. BICKWITTs I think you would, if you want to 6 be understood.
7 COHHISSIONER AHEABNE What does NRR have in mind?
8 MH. TH0HPSONs Either.
We vould like f or a site 9 where there are three essentially identical plants not to 10 require three operating project managers.
11 CHAIHHAd HENDRIEs What you want, then, is a l
12 project manager responsible for no more than one operating 13 site, and then go on to say, however, where there are s
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16 HR. THOMPSON:
That is correct.
1 17 CHAIHHAN HENDRIEs If you have three designs on a 18 site, you get three project managers.
If you have got two 19 of one, and one of another, two project managers, etc.
20 MH. THOMPSON:
Yes.
I 21 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
If you have three all of 22 the same design?
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
You have one project manager.
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In fact, they may even decide that people 2 are skilled enough to handle different designs on the same 3 site down the line, but for the moment that is good enough.
4 Rather than by 1984 --
5 CONNISSIONER AHEARNE:
When does NRR expect to 6 have that?
7 HR. THONPSON:
In certain areas, we are almost 8 there now.
The difficulty is that we are placing emphasis 9 on licensing project annagers.
To the extent that there is to give and take, we probably put the. emphasis on the licensing 11 project manager now.
12 We probably do have the resources under this nev 13 allocation to come very close to this.
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14 vill be there next year.
15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Rather than put a date in it, 16 why don't --
17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
There is a real advantage 18 to putting dates there, then you have some idea tha t th ose 19 are the dates.
The purpose of having time guidance is to 20 say, "Here is what you should plan on doing."
21 CHAIRNAN HENDRIE:
1982?
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEi No.
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs You don't like 1982?
24 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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4 date altogether, and just put it in terms that it should be 5 an objective, a staffing objective that a project manager be i
6 responsible for no more than one operating site, and then no 7.more than one design.
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11 HR. TH0HPSONs Yes.
We have some that have at 12 least two different sites, and two different reactors.
13 COHEISSIONER BRADFORD:
Two different types.
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We try to get them with similar 1
15 type reactor design, but we do have then responsible for 16 several sites.
l 17 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
You probably have also got a 18 branch dealing with research reactors, and stuff like that, i
19 where people have all kinds of assignments.
Here we are 20 talking about power plants.
21 HR. THOMPSON:
Yes, commercial power plants.
22 COHHISSIONER AHEARNE:
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4 are already operating.
What you are doing,.you are doing 5 for plants, is that correct?
In fact much of what you are 6 doing now is for plants that are not operating.
7 NR. THOMPSON:
That is correct.
8 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Except this objective was, I 9 thought, primarily for operating reactors.
I suppose we 10 could show diligence in pursuit of licenses.
11 COBEISSIONER AHEARNE:
That is another spot.
I 12 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
We don't want a separate 13 section on licensing projects?
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14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I guess not.
15 CHAIRMAN HE.5DRIE:
You prefer 1983 to manning 16 objectives, or something like that?
17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes, I would.
13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
All right, 1983, and OPE to fix 19 the rest of it.
20 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
21 MR. EYSYMONT:
Would you like some background on 22 this iten?
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
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3 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEa Yes.
It is a little bit too 4 husky here.
If the Congress, or FERC, or somebody wants to 5 rearrange the utility industry, why good enough.
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Now, let me ask a question.
The act of owning, 7 onc'e you have gotten the Public Service Commission to let 8 you sell bonds, and you have got an underwriter who has 9 managed to peddle the bonds, the act of owning is not a 10 particularly difficult one, nor is it that closely related 11 to safety.
What counts are the people who are out there 12 operating the plant, and the safety staff, and engineering 13 and technical support that back them up.
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14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
How about dropping "own" 15 and put " build"?
16 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEa "To build and operate" would be 17 good, because you have the same kind of problems in the 18 building that you have got in the operation with a small 19 shop.
20 You will have to figure out something to do with 21 ownership in the next sentence.
22 MR. EYSYMONT:
Okay.
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
If they have got the financial
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It is how you do it that counts.
5 Somebody help me with 2.7, it doesn't-scan.
6 CONNISSIONER AHEARNE:
It should be "NRC will 7 examine taking."
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12 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
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14 feeling that we ought to take a direct role?
15 NR. EYSYMONT:
That is what you had last year.
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1 17 was " examine taking."
18 MR. EYSYMONT:
I think the reason for the change 19 is because it might be a fair resource requirement if they, 20 in fact, begin to do it.
21 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE That works against saying, 22 " vill take."
23 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD.
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John had 24 put it back to last year's form, which I am perfectly 25 comfortable with.
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7 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
As I recall, in talking to 8 Ed, at least, on an earlier version, there were a number of 9 things where last year we were examining, and he just felt 10 that he would like to say, take action.
11 COHNISSIONER BR ADFORD:
Right.
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15 COM M ISS.".O N ER BR ADFORD :
That is right.
I don 't 16 mind saying that we vill examine doing it, but I could not 17 see how we could say that we were going to do it.
18 CONMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I would prefer to drop the 19 training.
20 COHNISSIONER BRADFORD:
And just say, testing?
21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
l 22 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
3.0.
In the fourth line, I 23 suggest we demonstrate our grasp of the subject by spelling 24 the word correct.
25 COEMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
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Did you mean " nuclear" or 2 " materials"?
3 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
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15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Strike " multiple souces."
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In the second sentence, 17 aren't we really committed to a much more specific program 18 than that now?
As of April 1, we have the emergency plans 19 in-house, where all the operating plants are actually committed to reviewing them and making some findings as to 20 21 their adequacy within a reasonable period of time.
22 It seems to me that we have moved somewhat beyond 23 the process of determining the appropriate basis.
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With respect to nuclear 25 plants.
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5 COH5ISSIONER BRADFORDa Just something along those 6 lines.
Actually, I wonder, what would a reasonable period 7 of time be; the next 18 months?
8 CH AIRHAN HENDRIE:
As I remember, it was expected 9 that April 1 would come, and evaluation teams started 10 going.
It would take some time before those shook down, and 11 it would be about a year before the last of those were 12 done.
I guess the aim was for the four-month periods to 13 start rolling someplace along the line.
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In fact, a couple may le all we can 16 stand.
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19 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
By FY-83, then.
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5 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEa It is an advance notice.
6 COHHISSIONER AHEARNE:
That is up in front of us.
7 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Yes, but certainly is not 8 something that you include in with.the power plant emergency 9 plan, with the same kind of language.
So you need either a 10 period, or a period and a new sentence.
11 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
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13 At this time a year ago, we were saying that we
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15 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEs Yes.
Since what we are 16 contemplating at the present time is an advance notice, I 17 think the language ought to be for material licensees, NRC 18 vill examine the need for improved emergency plans, or 19 something along that line.
20 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
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22 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
'4h y don't we just examine for 23 this version?
24 Did we have all of this stuff in here about 25 emergency planning last year?
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3 CHKIREAN HENDRIEa Which I guess you tried to 4 reshape --
5 3R. EYSTEONT4 The changes that have been made 6 since last year, yes.
7 NR. BATHBURNa Since we did get the rule.
8 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEa Are we, in fact, determining 9 what plant parameters are to be available to State and local 10 authorities?
11 Any energency planning at hand?
12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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It doesn't sound to se like we 15 did.
I don't recall anything along that line.
I as 16 suspicious of the sentence, and I would either strike it or 17 reframe it.
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We have tech specs that do that.
19 In our tech specs, we require that States be notified.
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6 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE Yes, just so.
7 COHHISSIONER AHEARNEs We require the licensee at 8 various trigger levels to notify, but we don't end up 9 requiring, here is, for example, that you must notify them 10 with the pressures in the vessel, what the radiation 11 readings are.
This implies that we are determining some set 12 of specific parameters.
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15 C0HHISSIONER AHEARNE:
Neither did I, until it was 16 pointed out, but I can now see it.
What we are determining 17 is how the licensee should interact and trying to set up 18 those procedures.
19 Why doesn 't OPE get back that sentence corrected.
20 HR. EYSYNONT:
Maybe submission is a better word 21 to use than " data."
We will have to check and see.
22 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEs I dor;' t know that I 23 particularly care to be declaring that we will decide what 24 information the governor of whatever state is going to l
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I don't think that is the way we want to phrase it.
8 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
How about if you just drop 9 the phrase "the State and local authorities."
I see your 10 point and it is a good one.
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE That takes care of it, because 12 that, indeed, is part of our --
13 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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14 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Why don't we just put a period 15 after "public protection purposes," because the licensee 16 dissemination is covered in assorted ways, including our 17 ability to collect, verify and evaluate, and so on.
18 The next sentence, this again flows from the great 19 data link operation, "will design, cons *ruct and operate."
20 Why don't we just say, "NRC will establish data collection 21 and communication facilities"?
22 The last half of the sentence doesn ' t seem to go 23 with the first half anyway.
Would somebody help me there?
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6 I recommend a period after response, and a line 7 drawn vigorously to the previous period.
8 An I responsible for this prototype data links?
9 CORNISSIONER AREARNE:
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Peter had suggested we 10 just say what we had said in response to Senator Hatfield.
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17 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE.
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23 That was the nature of the discussion that we had 24 here on the NDL prototype, and that we agreed to move on.
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9 Did you catch the language there?
10 ER. EYSYMONT:
Yes, I did.
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
One P, one B, and if possible 12 one reactor simuistor.
I think we have got barely enough 13 money for that.
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15 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Peter said he would keep 16 it, and I said I would keep it, and you said, well, leave it 17 in.
18 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs So I did.
Maybe we had better 19 read it.
20 Is this last year's, or is this a new one?
21 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
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I thought I had 5 written something about it, maybe it was in a different 6 place.
7 MR. EYSYMONT:
I think that it was in a different 8 place, and it just has not been caught in the lef t-hand 9 page.
10 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEs Let me narrow down what my 11 complaint is.
12 We seldom find it important to protect the 13 environment from the effects of ionizing radiation.
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6 If you radiation protection was environment in the 7 non-people sense, why your limits would be enormously 8 higher, I would think.
9 CONNISSIONER BRADFORD:
If there are no radiation
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I can't think 12 of any.
13 CHAIRNAN HENDRIE I don't think of any off-hand.
14 The concern is always working its way back up the food 15 chain, or o therwise getting to people, as far as I can 16 remember.
17 Now, "In this regard, the NRC will revise its 18 regulations, as appropriate, to reflect the applicable 19 Federal radiation research findings."
20 Does anybody know, do we still have a Radiation 21 Policy Council and an Interagency Radiation Research Review 22 Committee?
23 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEs I believe they are no 24 longer.
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" Coordinated with the overall Federal program 4 for radiation protection and radiological health research."
5 COEMISSIONER AHEARNE I think your maintenance is 6 being stuck in the wrong place.
7 COMMISSIONER BRADFORDa Yes.
8 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
It goes down one 9 paren the tical.
It goes in the plant procedures.
10 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Yes.
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE You want to' move the 12 " maintenance" down under plant procedures at any convenient 13 location, I guess.
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15 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes, very much.
16 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
I tell you, I would be for it 17 if I thought we could do it.
I would love to have some way 18 by which I could judge the competency of sections of the 19 agency itself.
20 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEs I would have no problem if 21 you want to modify it to "will examine how to develop," or 22 whether we can develop.
My point is that I think it it 23 something that we ought to try to do.
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5 COENISSIONER BR ADFORD:
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7 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs The last sentence, you would 8 prefer to keep it in?
9 COHNISSIONER BRADFORD:
Right.
10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Okay, because I wanted to make 11 sure I was not passing up a two-to-one situation there.
12 (Laughter.)
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Some of the changes here 15 are NHSS's changes.
My change is that I would want us to 16 commit to doing a programmatic EIS on a long-ters 17 life-of-the-plant storage, rather than just saying that 18 " request for approval vill be held in abeyance."
19 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I suggest that.
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9 CHAIRNAN HENDRIE I guess I would be helped with to the tone if there were an initial sentence tha t said, "The 11 planning basis will be as follovss" 12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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How many people think we are 14 going to get five site characterization reports in the years 15 FT-82 to 857 16 COMNISSIONER AHEARNE:
I gather, apparently, NMSS 17 does.
18 MR. EYSYMONT:
Actually it is exactly the same 19 language they used for the last planning period for the last 20 year.
21 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Except that they changed 83 to 22 87, to 82 to 85.
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7 COHEISSIONER AHEARNE:
How many ponies did you 8 collect?
9 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEa Lots, like a factor of seven in 10 the size.of my staff in 28 months or 27 months, how about 11 that?
12 C055ISSIONER AHEARNE:
How about three?
13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
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We said that for our purposes, we would find it 15 pretty difficult to take less than three, or no more than 16 one, or something like that.
17 There was great complaint f rom the other side of 18 the government about that regulation along the lines that we j
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1 21 It would just surprise the Dickens out of me if we i
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I 23 would be pretty tickled if we got three, as a matter of 24 fact.
25 The question is, do you want to shape the planning.
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7 COMMISSIONER BRADFORDs If they have any reason to 8 think in terms of five at the moment, I don't. mind carrying 9 five for this year because I suspect the actual impact on to agency resources in the rest of 1981 will be nil, and there 11 will be time enough to adjust it.
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NR. HAUSSHARDTs We just met with Shelly about a 8 week-and-a-half ago, and he did commit to delivering five.
9 CHAIREAN HINDRIEs Really.
In what time period?
10 MR. NAUSSHARDT:
By mid-1985.
They want to 11 " accelerate its schedtle," according to Sheldon Myers.
12 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEa I forbid any member of the NRC 13 staff to accept any smoking material.
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15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs I as willing to leave it at 16 five, but I must say that I doubt it.
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25 MR. MAUSSHARDT:
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6 (General laughter.)
7 HR. NAUSSHARDT:
That will work fine.
8 CHAIRNAN HENDRIE To what extent does this 9 preliminary commitment to a programmatic EIS life of plant, 10 low-level waste storage, leave some people a couple of years of phase, do you knowh?
11 out 12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
In what sense?
13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE It is going to take a couple of
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15 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Remember, what we did, when 16 TVA originallT case'in, they wanted life-of-plant, and we 17 said, no, we cannot do that.
We can't do it because it 18 requires an environmen tal impact statement.
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l 21 As I understand it now, NHSS still implies for a 22 couple of years purpose, we are willing to issue these Part 23 30 licenses.
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25 My point is, if we are telling people tha t, we had,
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5 HR. HAUSSHARDT You mean the part 61, it should 6 be down to the Commission in about a month, the first 7 draft.
8 COHNISSIONER BR ADFORD a What is causing that 9 slippage there?
It seems to me that technical rule has been 10 two weeks away since about aid-February?
11 HR. HAUSSHARDTa I believe there are some comments 12 from OPE and I am not sure who else.
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15 HR. HAUSSHARDTs I as not exactly sure of the 18 comments, but there were some technical questions raised, 17 and we went back to our contractors.
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I 20 HR. HAUSSHARDTt We had a discussion with Jack 21 Martin about three or four weeks ago, just before he left.
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8 HR. MAUSSHARDT There was a meeting with Hartin 9 about thrse or four weeks ago.
I was not present, so I 10 could not comment.
But he brought then back and did some 11 rewriting on that.
I am not exactly sure what the probles 12 is.
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15 HR. MAUSSHARDTa I shall.
16 CHAIRMAN HEN DRIE:
It is a normal procedure.
17 There is a staff paper working, and we will often get a 18 crack at a draf t version.
What you will get in the final 19 paper will be a staff paper which reflects the OPE consents, 20 and then back in the back somewhere you will have an 21 attachment that shows whatever OPE written comments there 1
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5 CHAIRHAN HENDRIEs True.
6 NR. M7USSHARDTs Like I said, it was just an 7 informal meeting where they were discussing it.
I am not 8 sure exactly what it was.
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"Will publish a proposed regula tion in mid-82 20 covering th e technical criteria, and will publish the final 21 rule by early FT-82."
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They weren't 24 too pleased about one or two aspects of the procedural one, 25 but by and large, it was just the putting in place of a l
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8 COHHISSIONER AHEABNE:
Why don't you say, "In 9 FY-82"?
Realistically, if we get the rule out this summer, 10 clearly FY-82 is not possible.
11 CHAIEHAN HENDRIE:
I would also put the 12 publication in FY-81 rather than aid, but I don 't care.
13 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
I would rather leave the d(d 14 aid in at the moment just to keep a little more pressure on 15 NHSS to get it out.
16 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs Okay.
17 Would some scholar of the language please de 18 something with the phrase "between now and when"?
I don't 19 think it needs to be a particularly advanced scholar, 20 a c t ually.
George, I will leave it up to you to fix that.
21 COHNISSIONER BR ADFORD:
You might also want to do 22 something with " test technique."
23 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Yes.
24 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
And drop the et cetera.
25 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Yes.
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2 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
"will not be" would square 3 the tense of the matter.
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4 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Yes, that would be a help.
5 CONNISSIONER AHEARNE:
Okay.
6 COHMISSIONER BRADFORD:
There is a nice fraudian 7 slip in 1.2 in the third line on the second page.
8 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs Yes, I think "at last" ought to 9 go at the end of the sentence, "in 1983,'at last!"
10 C05HISSIONER AHEARNE:
The last sentence there is 11 very awkward.
12 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
You mean "The development 13 studies using dry storage casks"?
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14 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes, " Development studies 15 will require license review."
16 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I thought tha researchers, I 17 can see them now, each in his own dry storage tank, peering i
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I 19 (General laughter.)
20 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs Please, this is serious 21 business.
22 Can you fix that okay, George?
23 I would like to have a whole sort story prepared 24 by the author of this section, or maybe some of my testimony 25 for next week.
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3 CHAIREAN HENDRIE:
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5 COHNISSIONER AHEARNE:
Since this is planning 6 gnidance, I suspect we ought to be telling the staf f --
7 CHAIREAN HENDRIEs Of the plan?
8 CONNISSIONER AHEA3NE:
Every time we raise the 9 question, the staff tells us that it is going to take an 10 enormous amount of money and people.
11 COENISSIONER BRADFORD:
Yes.
I would just change 12 the "and should be" to "if."
I agree with the basic point, 13 assuming the Administration does go forward.
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14 CHAIRHAN HENDRIE:
Yes, that is good.
15 Is oversight and review in 1.4 consistent with our 16 interpretation of the West Valley Act?
17 HR. BICKWITT It is consistent with our 18 interpretation.
19 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Other cos'aents on this 20 section?
21 CONNISSIONER BRADFORD:
Comments on Section 1 in 22 general?
23 CHAIHHAN HENDRIE:
Yes, I guess this vaste 24 management.
25 COHNISSIONER BRADFORD:
You may be about to, but I..
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2 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I am going to solve your 3 problem.
4 I thank you all for a great job well done.
5 CONNISSIONER BR ADFORD4 I wa s prepared to come 6 back.
7 CONNISSIONER AHEARNE:
I was prepared to stay.
8 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE That is what I was afraid of, I
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10 The Commission stands. adjourned.
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b' NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the
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Commission Meeting Date of Proceeding:
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