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| Issue date: | 06/18/1980 |
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Do you understand the purposes of the interview?-
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This was was the Lynchburg, Virginia facility?
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Any legalities or lawsuit matters, I believe, is what I was 21 cautioned against.
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Were you present at any time in the so-called War Room at B & W, Lynchburg, on March 28, 3
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During what times?
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Approximately 1:00 o' clock-in the afternoon through approxi-8 mately 8:00 o' clock that evening.
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And given to the site'.'
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And given to the site?
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That's correct.
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The site being 3 Mile Island?
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3 Mile Island.
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Are you talking about Met Ed, 25 conversations with Met Ed or conversations with GPU or with 4
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B & W employees, or just what do you mean by "the site"?
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Conversations with whomever.
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and let us know what was going on, the best he could find out.
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and recommendations and information transmitted to the site.
20 21 MR. FISHER:
Had you been in communication 22 with people at the site before going to the War Room; is that 23 what I understood?
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Yes.
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The calls that you took notes on, is pj 12 were calls initiated by other people and you listened in on 5
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There w s one main telephone call.
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THat was a conversation that Jim Floyd -- is that his name?
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Did Mr. Floyd tell you the infor-O 23 mation he got directly?
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Was anybody taking notes before you arrived, of that conver-22 sation?
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But you don't remember any names of people?
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Do you have the notes that 21 you took that day, of the telephone conversations and of other 22 information such as this?
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You said that you left the War Room at 8:00 o' clock, so it was 20 before 8:00 o' clock?
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Did you have any idea what time?
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As I recall, it was about 6:00 or 7:00 o' clock.
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Do you know who was responsible for the taping or deciding 22 when to tape?'
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And you have all of those 19 20 notes?
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From subsequent days?
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AS we indicated, our purpose for 21 talking to you today was to identify different things that 22 document what took place on the 28th.
23 Can you think of any other pertinent 24 information that would assist us in identifying the documents 25 I or tapes or anything?
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