ML19332A753
| ML19332A753 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Farley  |
| Issue date: | 09/04/1980 |
| From: | NRC COMMISSION (OCM) |
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| References | |
| REF-10CFR9.7 NUDOCS 8009180222 | |
| Download: ML19332A753 (12) | |
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The Commission met, pursuant to notice, at 4:30 p.m.
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JOHN F. AHEARNE, CHAIRMAN 17 5
VICTOR GILINSKY, Commissioner E
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JOSEPH HENDRIE, Commissioner 19 PETER A. BRADFORD, Commissioner 20 NRC STAFF PRESENT:
21 LEONARD BICKWIT, General Counsel es.
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This ::a= script has not bea: reviewed, correc:ad, or edi:ad, a=d i: =ay co=:a;f.= i=accuracias.
The ::a=scripe is i=:a= dad solely for g=_=eral i=fer=a:ic=a.L purposes.
As provided by 10 CTR 9.103, 1: is no: par. of de for=al or d #c:=al record of decisic= of de =at:ars dise=ssed.
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CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
On the record.
Mr. Hoyle?
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Mr. Chairman, I'd like to put Farley back
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on tomorrow, I suppose, if everyone is going to make it.
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Do we have a copy of an agreed --
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MR. HOYLE:
We have a copy of the language which has 8n 7
been circulated. There Jis disagreement as to whether there should n
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be a staff requirement memo with the wording in it, or whether dc 9
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Let me ask a question that's 1
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One of the draf ts for Farley appears to be a d
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copy of an order I was unaware of until this m6rning.
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Me, too.
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COMMISSIONER HENDRIE:
To my. knowledge, the Commission
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CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
No.
Commissioner Chilk voted an
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20 COMMISSIONER HENDRIE:
It suggests that there's consid-21 erable less use in my coming to these meetings than I thought.
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Commissioner Gilinsky had separate views, 23,
and there was some discussion at the table as to how they would 24 I! be circulated.
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CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
Yes.
Now, the discussion at the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
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table did lead to a Commission vote that there'd not be an order.
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MR. HOYLE:
But that they could be docketed.
Mr. Chilk 3
prepared that document not as an order but as a vehicle to circu-(h 4
late Commissioner Gilinsky's views.
He did not intend that to be 5
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-an order; it does not carry the form of an order.
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0 CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
Gee, it really looked like it.
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'MR. HOYLE:
It takes the form of an order, but not the l
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COMMISSIONER HENDRIE:
It's the Secretary's position 5
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That's Mr. Chilk's --
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Well, it had all the right form, and I4 since it seemed
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15 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
That's the memorandum and order?
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So this clearly isn't a staff requirements memo,
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Since clearly, it seemed to be agreeable in the U
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North Anna case, it seemed to be just fine form to use for Farley.
n 20 COMMISSIONER HENDRIE: Fine with me.
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I think we ought to have an 22 g])
order.
You know, we've talked abo ~ut --
It just isn't a 23 Commissioner order.
From sufficient distance it looks like a 24 jg)
Commissioner order.
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COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Is that like getting a low 3
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
We won't be handing out low 2l 6
power license indefinitely, and the equivalent decision will be R
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does, just simply to reformalize a piece of paper that says the Commission hereby finds the following, even if it's only one b
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I hadn't been aware that there I
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No, I saw this and it seemed to be --
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17 CHAIRMAN AHE ARNE :
Yes.
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I didn't really fully 21 understand the significance of your proposal, whereas that was 22 jg.p very straightforward.
So when John pointed that out, that's --
23 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
What is the difference?
24 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Well, one wasn't written to 25 contrast with the other because I was unaware of the exitence of ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
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CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
Four out of the five of,us were unawa 3
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COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I don't have any difficulty, e
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Fine.
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
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And I assume the weekly 24-collection of press releases notes that the Commission has 2fl authorized the Director to issue a license, et cetera.
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Very well.
All right.
Thank you.
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