ML19329D260

Transcript of 730628 Prehearing Conference in Toledo,Oh. Pp 86-146

ML19329D260
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Site:	Davis Besse
Issue date:	06/28/1973
From:	Farmakides J Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel
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10 now approximately 10:45, June 28, 1973.

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21 and reconve at 11:15.

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Fine.

That would be a 22 productive use of the time.

No, we have not received it.

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There are three sets here.

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Yes, we have that.

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20 note that the transcript of the last prehearing conference 21 was reissued on May 24th, 1973.

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