ML19321A764
| ML19321A764 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Indian Point  |
| Issue date: | 07/11/1980 |
| From: | NRC COMMISSION (OCM) |
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| References | |
| REF-10CFR9.7 NUDOCS 8007240164 | |
| Download: ML19321A764 (6) | |
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The Commission met, pursuant to notice, at 2: 45 p.m.
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s JOHN F. AHEARNE, Chairman of the Commission.
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VICTOR GILINSKY, Commissioner 19 an PETER A. BRADFORD, Commissioner 20 JOSEPH HENDRIE, Commissioner 2j 22 l
STAFF PRESENT:
1 LEONARD BICKWIT, General Counsel 23 MARTIN MALSCH, Deputy General Counsel 24 j
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This is an unofficial transcript of,a nesting of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Cou:=ission held on July 11, 1980 in the Commission's offices at 1717 H Street, N. W., Washington, D. C.
The meeting was open to public attendance and observation.
. - This transcript has not been reviewed, corrected, or edited, and it may contain inaccuracies.
The transcript.is intended solely for general infor=ational purposes.
As provided by 10 CIR 9.103, it is soc part of the for=al or infor=al record of decision of the =atters discussed.
Expressions of opinion in this transcript da not necessarily reflect final deter =inations or beliefs.
No pleading or other paper may be filed with the Co==ission in any proceeding as the result of or addressed to any statenent or argument contained herein, except as the Con: mission =ay authorize.
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CHAIRMAN AHEAPSE:
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reach the question of what ought to be done with the plants in 3
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of the comments under the informal aspect of this proceeding.
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by memorandum has been f rom Commissioner Hendrie.
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units all across the country.
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With no other modification?
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20 COMMISSIONER HENDRIE:
I see no need for any.
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Vic?
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conducting a proceeding.
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I I think Joe's recommendation was that this. operation -- the only 20 other conditions on it be those as imposed by Denton's early 21 order in February.
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I share the same view, So with that,
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we ought to provide you with any additional comments we have to 22 help you focus a draft for us on the instructions to the board.
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CHAIRMAN AHEARNE:
Yes. Any other Indian Point issues?
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Any other Indian Point issues?
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Adjourned.
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the meeting in the above-23 entitled matter was adjourned.)
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