ML19320B625
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| Issue date: | 06/06/1980 |
| From: | Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards |
| To: | Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards |
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MINUTES OF THE ACRS SUBCOMMITTEE ON POWER AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS WASHINGTON, DC APRIL 9,1980 The ACRS Subcommittee on Power and Electrical Systems met for two hours with the NRC Staff to discuss the development of a possible response to Commissioner Gilinsky's letter of March 7,1980, requesting the ACRS to comment within one month on how the proposed Nuclear Data Link might affect the nie of the NRC in an emergency and also on the characteristics of the Nuclear Data Link, if installed. A notice of the meeting appeared in the Federal Register on March 25, 1980 (Attachment A). A copy of the detailed presentation schedule is attached ( Attachment B). A list of attendees at the Subcommittee Meeting is attached (Attachment C). A list of documents provided to the Subcommittee for this meeting is attached (Attachment D). There was one written public statement from Westinghouse Corporation ( Attachment E). There were no oral statements. The entire meeting was open to members of the public.
MEETING WITH THE NRC STAFF TO DISCUSS THE NUCLEAR DATA LINK (OPEN SESSION) 1.0 Subcommittee Chairman's Opening Remarks Dr. Kerr, Subcommittee Chairman, introduced the members of the Subcommittee and noted the purpose of the meeting. He pointed out that the meeting was being conducted in accordance with the provisions of the Federal Advisory Committee Act and the Government in the Sunshine Act and that Mr. Gary Quittschreiber was the desig-nated Federal Employee for the meeting.
He stated that no reques'ts for oral statements from members of the public had been received with regard to this meeting. He noted that Westinghouse Corporation l
had submitted a written statement.
2.0 Role of the NRC in a Nuclear Accident Mr. B. Weiss, NRC/I&E, said the NRC needs the NDL to fulfill its role in emergencies. The NRC's role in emergencies includes the following:
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' Monitoring - Verify and evaluate data from multiple sources to assure that proper and adequate operational and protective 1
measures are being taken and to inform the public.
' Advisory - To previde assistance in diagnosing the situation and isolating critical problems. Also, to provide protective action determinations and to advise other concerned agencies.
' Direction - To assume the initiative in making operational decisions regarding licensee actions to be taken.
The Commission would prefer that any direction of a licensee be carried out at the site, not from the NRC Headquarters.
The NRC Staff's major constraint, promulgated by the Executive Director is to not physically operate the reactor facility. Weiss does see the possibility of directing plant or utility managenent under some circumstances but feels this would be from the site with support from the Headquarters Operations Center.
The subcommittee members had a lengthy discussion with the Staff concerning the possibility of the NRC giving orders to the licensees from Headquarters based on information from the proposed NDL information.
Members of the Subcommittee expressed concern that the NRC's " mission" with regard to what it intends to do with the NDL, if installed,has not been adequately considered and that it appears the Staff is proposing to design and build the NDL and then decide what to do with it after it is installed.
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R. Woodruff, NRC/I&E, said the experience from drills and from use of the Incident Response Center, which has existed for the past three years, was used to develop the specifications for the NDL.
3.0 Need for t.he Nuclear Data Link The Staff considers the primary need for the NDL is to provide the Emergency Management Team (EMT) the data needed to make decisions on whether and when to give advice to local and state officials with regard to taking protective action. The NDL is not for recommending actions to the utility with regard to recovering the plant; however, such recommendations resulting from the NDL cannot be ruled out.. dei ss indicated that NRC decisions made during the first three to six hours foll'owing an emergency would likely come from NRC head-quaters until such time as the Regional I&E Director gets to the site to take responsibility for the NRC management functions.
The principal need for the NDL would exist during this three to six hours when tue EMT is required to make all NRC decisions.
Mr. Weiss indicated that the NRC will make recommendations to FEMA and/or to the governor.
Since decisions will have to be made by the NRC,it is the Staff's position that it should have the best data available to make those decisions.
Mr. Weiss concludes that the need for the Nuclear Data Link was identified in the NRC Action Plan (NUREG-0660).
The need was also identified by the Kemeny Committee Report and the Rogovin Report, which stated that the NRC response to the TMI-2 accident was slow and confusing, that NRC did not have needed data, and that Communications to and from the plant were difficult. Also, the President has directed the NRC to evaluate the need for a st-onger federal presence in the control room which might be achieved by adding people or by a direct computer link-up.
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Power & Elec. Sys. Mtg Mr. Weiss discussed the inadequacy of the direct phone line communication setup in the response center during the recent Crystal River loss of secon-He noted that the EMT was called and dary system instrumentation event.
activated due to erroneous information that the con-the response cente tainment was pressurized to 18 psig, when in fact, the pressure was 18 psia.
It was felt the NDL would prevent similar.alse alarms based on incorrect Olshinski expressed concern that voice communications could information.
interfere with control room operations.
Characteristics of the Proposed Data Link and Bases for Specifications _
4.0 Mr. S. Bassett, NRC/RES, said that V. Stello and H. Denton requasted that RES was RES investigate the feasibility and the scoping of a.NDL.
asked to look at whether it would be useful, what its characteristics NRR and should be, and what could be done in a short time.
I&E submitted a research project request and RES asked Sandia to determine costs and feasibility based on some specifications developed jointly by A few of the characteristics are as follows:
Sandia and the NRC Staff.
' Data will come largely from existing sensors and the plant process computer.
' Equipment will be commercially available, not uniquely designed for this application.
'The NDL will monitor about 80 reactors with about 120 parameters each (80 plant and 40 environmental parameters per plant).
'The NDL will not monitor the s'tatus of equipment, but will show parameters only.
Status monitoring will only be done at the plant site.
' Data will be stored in memory for 30 minutes at the Headquarters Operation Center for recall at the beginning or during an emergency.
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April 9, 1980 Power & Elec. Sys. Mtg The estimated NRC cost to install and operate the NDL through FY 1983 Annual operating and maintenance cost for FY 1983 is $23.5 million. In addition, the utilities would have to provide some is $1.8 million.
equipment and manpower to connect and maintain the connections to the NDL.
Mr.' Bassett noted that licensees are now implementing an on-site technical support center (TSC) which requires a substantial fraction The NRC feels the NDL data is of the data being proposed for the NDL.
New dedicated computers a minimum list of parameters for the TSC.
will be needed and it is universally accepted by the utilities that Bassett said the TSC is driving they need this on-site capability.
the NRC down a stream of considerable help for the NDL.
5.0 Conclusions / Remarks for Members of the Subcommittee recognized the need for some syste providing data but felt that a better understanding sas needed concerning where the money would come from, and what, if any, pro ams would have to s
The Subcomm:. tee felt this was a '
be cut to provide the funds for the NDL.
very important consideration in whether the NRC should install the NDL.
I&E The NDL is presently a " paper study" with Category Ill priority.
will go to the Commission and ask for their blessing to go ahead with thc If the Commission agrees, then funding will be requested from program.
Congress in a future budget.
The Subcommittee asked the NRC Staff to provide the Full ACRS at,its meeting with basically the same information April 10 through 12, 1980 provided to the Subcommittee.
Members of the Subcommittee expressed their opinion that the NRC role It was in an emergency would not be changed due to the use of a NDL.
felt that in any emergency where decisions are crucial that the NRC
I Power &' Elec. Sys. Mtg-April 9,1980 would not depend on the proposed NDL unless its reliability was extremely high.
I NOTE: For additional details, a complete transcript of the meeting is available in the NRC Public Document Room,1717 H St., N.W.,
Washington, DC 20555 or from International Verbatim Reporters, Inc., 499 South Capitol Street, S.W., Suite 107, Washington, D.C.
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opportunity to present oral statements and the time allotted for the Advisory Committee on Reac o'r presentations can be obtained by a I
Safeguards, Subcommittee on Power prepaid telephone call to the cognizant and Electrical Systems; Meeting Designated Federal Employee. Mr. Gary An ACRS Subcommittee on hower Quittschreiber (telephone 202/634-3267) and Electrical Systems will hold a
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meeting on April 9.1980in R m 1048.
Deted: March 20.1980.
1717 H Street NW Washi D.C.to jaba C. Ho>le, discuss the nuclear da NDl.)
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presently being conside by NRC as yau meu %,%j partof the30-2 Accident Action omissecoot m m Plans. Notice of this meeting was published March 19.1980.
In accordance with the procedures outlined in the Federal Register on October 1.1979 (44 FR 56408). oral or written statements may be presented by members of the public, recording will be permitted only during those portions of the meeting when a t anscript is being kept and questions may be asked only by members of the Subcommittee.its consultanta, and Staff. Persons desiring to make oral statements should notify the Designated Federal Employee as far in advance as practicable so that appropriate arrangements can be made to allow the necessary time during the meeting for such statements.
ne agenda for this meeting shall be as follows: Wednesday. April 9.1980. 2 p.m. until the conclusion of business.
He Subcommittee may meet in Executive Session, with any ofits consultants who may be present, to
. explore and exchange their preliminary opinions regarding matters which should be considered during the meeting.
At the conclusion of the Executive Session, the Subcommittee will hear presentations by and hold discussions with representatives of the NRC Staff, their consultants, and other interested persons.
In addition,it may be necessary for the Subcommittee to hold one or more closed sessions for the purpose of exploring matters involving proprietary information. Ihave determined. in accordance with Subsection 20(d) of the Federal Advisory Committee Act(Pub.
I.92-463),that, should such sessions be required, it is necessary to close these sessions to protect proprietary information. See 5 U.S.C. 552b(c)(4).
Attachment A Further information regarding topics to be discussed, whether the meeting l
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PRESENTATION SCHEDULE POWER AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING o-APRIL 9, 1980 ROOM 1046, 1717 H STREET, N.W.
WASHINGTON, DC PRESENTATION TIME APPR0XIMATE TIME MEETING WITH THE NRC STAFF ON THE NUCLEAR DATA LINK 2:00 pm B.0 Subcommittee Chairman's Opening Remarks 3.0 NRC Staff Presentations.
10 min 2:05 pm 2.1 Need for a Nuclear Data Link Discuss Cost / Benefit 2.2 Role of the NRC in a Nuclear Accident 10 min 2:25 pm 2.3 Characteristics of Proposed Data Link 10 min 3:00 pm Bases for specifications and Selection of Parameters 10 min 3:40 pm 2.4 Sandia Design Research Program.
Discuss Scope, Budget, and Results to Date 3:55 pm 3.0 Caucus Conclusions / Remarks Discuss Presentations to ACRS at April 10th Meeting 4:00 pm ADJOURNMENT A maximum of 10 minutes will be allowed for receiving oral statements NOTE:
(1) from members of the public if requested.
The speakers.,should limit their prepared presentations to the ti (2) allowed.
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l ATTENDEES LIST NRC ACRS i
- 0. E. Bassett W. Kerr, Chairman L. Beltracchi J. Ebersole R. W. Woodruff W. Mathis R. Feit F. Arsenault Mark J. Olshinski C. Siess G. Zed D. Okrent G. R. Quittschreiber*
SANDIA LABS
- Designated Federal Employee J. P. Long EPRI DUKE POWER CO.
R. Leyse R. L. Dobson U.S. SENATE PLANNING RESEARCH CORP D. D. Carlson J. Morrison ROCHESTER GAS & ELECTRIC B&W G. Daniels R. Borsum BCS IVRI REPORTING B. K. Feamster N. DiPalo W. L. McKeown D. E. Berlin I
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DOCUMENTS PROVIDED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THIS MEETING 1.
Viewgraphs shown at the meeting are provided in the meeting transcript and in the ACRS office file for this meeting.
2.
H. R. Denton (NRR)^ Uetter to R. J. Budnitz (RES), dated March 6,1980, concerning Nuclear Data Link (NDL) specification.
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Transcript, NRC Commission Meeting of February 6,1980.
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Commissioner Gilinsky letter to the ACRS, dated March 7,1980 requesting advice on the NDL.
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