ML19319D892
| ML19319D892 | |
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| Site: | Rancho Seco |
| Issue date: | 09/18/1968 |
| From: | Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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| References | |
| NUDOCS 8003270551 | |
| Download: ML19319D892 (53) | |
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attention to page 211 af the transcript, lin? ' L- .3 through 16 l l{-whereDr.trintert puts tha follot;ing ques ticL: g 4 1 1 :i "DR. Ji I N T i R S : And the s we res?cns?, I presme, ti p aj applies to the spent fuel cooling system, Part B of your q ,. w. ,e 1 7; reply? ,f g (' s , 9;p4 a; "MR. MATTIMOE: Yes, that is correct." o; a; .Do.you havs.any modification of that answ d? i -.y E E g mf MR. MATTIMOE: Yes, I would like to correct that l 0 i cs follows: The spent fual cooling system is. class one E g
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i Tat 3 ] through the spent fuel coclars. The cooling towers are not l .n class one. But an alternate means of cooling the spent g h fuel pond is provided that either decay ~ heat renova 1:systeu p.-lI 14 l d.w can be useil to cool the spent fuel and tite decay heat' YTY i h,. g .. ogra ,..n .ff ,a > removal' systems are class one end hence there are duplicate 4 ( .. :A g B l.h, 37 class one heat reduction paths fron the pool to the spray (;; y j e a#, l pond. 10 i .%g _ w ~ g. J-. MR. KAPLAN: The applicant has no further prelimina g x. i 'a% ~ matters, Mr. Chairman. fC * "j 33, 1 L CIIAIIDIAN BOND: Mr. Mattinoo, I have one question. I Who is the secretary and custodian of the records ~ l O) k for the applicant? .j.,. v. .A. MR. MATTIMOE: Mr. Dave 1:aulan. [ i (Q CllAIRMAN BOND: Is secretary of the corporation? g g 1 s y .s, u. s ., 4, b l;,% Y r ^ 3%.ll12.~ " O,< 5 7
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18 , w ~ g g y were. called as witness, having been previously duly, sworn;by&g s j 1 _f - A theschairman. T (jN m -.2 t I will direct this question to the .DR. WINTERS: 21 I s } Staff. h One of the points of pursuing question number 6 g ;,. j was to ascertain the. degree of dependence of the Utility g i (n) I t District on this power plant which seems-to~be unusually sr .4 t ( 5 f y r. Mk ~ i. f'?f )h/; [ ~ Y 5:$ b [5f hi .. [ 1 . m";-' m.m; p$ t .m - m. w %.m ;, l byn,y 7 +:, c
.f _m mm _.m. .-, mm ,m m; .m. ae-- m a--_,wnn:m ty 4 -234 + .c:a Ajpe: n + 1 large compared to at least other cases...iich I have been +1 ,1 p 2 frailiar uith, The relation to this hearing, of course,is 0 ll as to whether er not euere is any :.nterdependence between t 4 economics and scfoty, cs to how :auch aconenics decisiens j 1 5 ': can reflect theascives into eventual safety decision. a h liculd the St fi care to connant on their viewpoints 9 il ~. I 7 in this mattar? 6 DR. KNUTil:
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i s cj are no gray areas. It usually stat,0s how many systems of .l .' y. n d: l j y what type have to be operable, it will specify what the 4 + i 4 cI testing frequency is on particular systems, and if th. w ., v - e. ad [ m.. [ c' particular test dcas not show that a particular piece of a. 3 3 to, equipment, say,.is operable, then the requirecent for what-I .-y j n must be done is fairly clearly spelled out, y j t DR, ;lIIJTE!!]: Perhaps vcu cc: clarify far ma, in l iI f i Q this hearin;;, for ensi.nla, ue bare heard that they nave, say, jg l y, y'q .? '4 a complete redundant syszcu for spent fuel cooling. Typically}+ sy. . J Q%q i I am not saying necessarily with respect to StIUD, because W C } gj S
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i n, their >perating license hasn't come up yet -- would the G 1 j u operating permit allow them, for example, to operate with m?. r e i. . f.+.; dv te j only one of those systems operable at any time? In other ~~ 1 ,e, M , e-O words, the other one is down for maintenance? m w g. +... DR. KNUTil: Typically, I can give examples 'by 3 l, reference to other cases, yes, if there are two systems 1 1 t c provided and there is a testing frequency specified and if 3 Q a f r some reason a person performs a test on the interval p 2 given and he finds that one part of the system is not ej y , a. i,j g' operable, there may be conditions in the license that state y ? g b4 i .y , gig $ f, t _ w= 7:7 s-.9 E d ; ' vfk 4./ yd - r 's
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........a,a .. c. e. i .y a I. a u A.. rn i I..O..... n: T.no '.n;oran t:.c n to es tabu..sh the aa 3., 3 scoreboard, no I beliava you rcferraf. ec it, Dr. ilintars, }, t . 3 ~ ' - ';; P M f o-is'available in~tho' plant records. ..w 2.. s. a.., + a :: DR i!!NTERS: I would nope so. But does soncone 5 c. 2 o n1 total these up 3G ^ h r. - scue day scua ycnr you would got to T the point and.say, "I a2Ve about vecched th2 limit"? e a
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.:. e :.n ' t. believa : narc wauld be .1 i cay pl:n n-;;;;.;;.rily to t0 =1 : hose vp unless unusual g O conditions started to exist at the pl nt. Unusual meaning gg ~ +. $. ~.. [ 3 g i. to the extent that not.as anticipated operations'of the-plant;.d,7 s. ~ j gj as presented in the application. . e4 . t DR. 111NTEP.S : 'ly next question is then addressed g
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They routinely-review the log bocks ll 2 of operation'to see how the plan: has bean operating and any tj unasual cycles uauld c a,por:cd. i 4 1 4y D R, 'J I N T !ii'd : Ite:r nah 20 concerns t:.u question j u I, of nsitive r.cGerator ;cfficim.. ' im:vrprez th e i i f,' c ;. substance of this ans'.ser to say tha c this is a subj ect that .1 uj ' 7 k can be deternincd later, and if it is found it is necessary f A m . to reduce or eliminato1the positive moderater coefficient,'? d..t ..i g a 4 q ,.;A + 4 n ctcps can oc taken to do. sc, that.t.noro are provisions ror O. i ,j 10 j such it the design, k i. A, m n 7 ~ C!!ATR:.1AU 110:D: I hava a qtmstion on that, y- ,y n7 t'; p, q l tc. i} .o believad it was che intantion c'f the Board in p w ~, 0, pranoundis Os.t-ouer.'ior it :.e orcheerin.> that i t mt j n ~ s s m a g a be addresse; sc1ely to a q ;.._:..... E: applicant has. _i ,i e ~ ~ wl a. g lj responded. Ilas the Staff responded or does 'it wish to do. 9q,,. .l cwn i a*+' 3aj so nou? J7 t. 'n i DR KNUTil: 1.'ith regard to the noderator coeff-icient',- g L ms.- {: gwefeel-thatthedecisionofputtinginburnablepoisonreds..] g ~
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q 4 item 4.1, this would be tied to a great extent on the iten L.g- { g, p 1 number 6, the results of their xenon oscillation work they are:a i g presently doing. b b h'e recognize these burnabic pcisons, the moderator .a 3[ coefficient can.be taken to zero or negative without any a n i y () - .,I dosign no'dification just by putting in,pcison rods in A_ v N b . A_ e ~ ':f , al ; 4u i..Wy j% q ,n
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.a ^ ... e;;; ce_ ... c. m, -%.,, ,,;}[Q Q& .QpS- ,.;;L. s 6 s< .+ 1 = DB'2-C a-* mtM MW-m,n p + .+ cu ; n. rms 1 1 ~ DR. - IO!UTH : In our vieri the applicant has to decide, y . Q 2~ a nd we have to evaluate his decision and it will-have to be " h dccided.ia our view, just prier t o : art up, becaune as T v d 4 h said, the provision for installing thece particuine burnable j .g H p S9 peiccn reds 9::isto in the p:ronent d" sign. f i .1 7 U4 CHAIR.iAN BOND: Are burnable sn rods insertable.. I ~ wwn V 1 7' f from a design ctandpoint at that late stage in design? ..a .6- .C' DR'. IO!UTH: Yes, they are; I might'also ment [i6nN +<e y ys
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S t he positive moderator temperaturc coef icient that is - Listed J l; l 4 2 .n p to '2ere, there in a 1.inited amount of reactivity that can be ,,.a, f 11 added to the positive effect. 7 1E 1 If you hoop inerc tring tynperature, eventually the i 1 ~ O. 15 h coefficient 7.'111 go negative. I believe co total ount of c j it j reactivity insertion one could get fren this type of ON9 14 wV.& s 'g ., r.: Y; ^R T =At P 1G ! coefficient 'isLon the ordcr of a half percent, o[ thereabouts.J- ..w . +. .y J' f i g @. ~g. ( 16 I After you have added a half ~ percent rec.ctivity-to,. n.a m y ps;3 ? c l'1 the coefficient, it becomes negative again, or zero. . M,,. -yi: s%w i.. r s y/;-g;g '+ ^ 10 CHAIRMAN BOND: Looking at page 12 of(the staff % g . zi n-w r., - + c report,- safety evaltn tion,. it is stated that an acceptable (yW ^ ~ $.: & ?l ^ ? 19 2 MMm: .e ;M w o .s s. z m-. 20,l limit for-the positive' moderator temperature coefficient willi d 4.V I, m be set at the operating license stage. 21 ; e ? t 22. l DR. KNUTH: Yes, sir. - O i v - 23 CHAIR'.!AII BOND: Does this mean that the staff. n E l ) 24 ' anticipates that final design will include a positive. 1Y . i m w. 1 .i + l L . i, j .E. coefficient?
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7.'. ccefficient will be set at the ocerating license stage. i j/ e CHAIREN BOND: Are there now operating power reactorp d with positive moderator coefficients, either at present or. >.y,
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..,,, my - + w .N + u? ~ x . :,M*M ap ; p 'l o .y WN3"N ras 3 > ~ we u a" c . w.as, a I influence on xenon oscillation that you have corern here? 3 8 That is, i* the ranctivity addition' associated with such 1 coef ficients in linited to a half percent, this douan't d sound like a very se ricus aff air? 5j D2, }Ci W I: ile havo ovaluated this,for instanca, in, l i G. connection with a ma::1mun credible accident or accidents, and i l d i . +,. - d /, the amount of reactivity that can he inserted for the transient l my; v s't sif fairly small. -It is on the order of a half of a percent ~.-f g mn >l R+eyV h ^^ ' n.m, 9 DR. WINTERS: The no::t item would be question igg-4% 10 number 11 on RfcD. Dr. Paxton? ' iFL. ~.::gyn
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nitpickin,::, but there is a statanent in the applicant's 1 .[ ~ - 13 i a new 3r to this question thct :". " m ire a er G a 14. ; Thereis.a list of items identifice as MSD items, an i / m.+- I c ' / NSIW ~ i is i the statement, "All of these items will be completed in-4M4 ge v w ,I presume that that statemen may be shorthand forl' "a 1 15 1969." n, + J.,4 j 17 l something else, completed at least by 1969, is tin t it? .g 8 gwm ..s-18 1.' MR. MATTIMOE: That is correct, Dr. Pa tn. We .M 1p-didn't list the completion date f or each individual R&D ' item' (g, ~ t J o ; h k 4 20 because it is 1~isted in the application and we merely trie.d,to ..s., 1 ? + 21 generaline indicating they would all be completed by the end oc 21 1969. 3M t3, DR. PAXTOM: Right. For c:: ample, concerning the 1j-Mu steam generator, I believe in your summary it is stated that - g ,m ( f - 25 6here are~now sufficient data on the performance,and structural _..-1 '/ c sn: ? e i i n fa l Y Mddbi k 3-.. D ll G& l.Y ' k
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That is corroc:, the physicci testing Ii y 1-3 it has been complored. j yf DR. PAXTON: So one coesn't wait until 1969 for that' I m y ' 3.L one er lor a nuncer of others, I gather?
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m:.c. ( 4 J In-core neu ';ron cletec cars. bc:.inva in your suetacry it 2 l s.a x. i 1 2 t' 5 c rates that tre re has ha?n considerable success rit!: in I .i 4 4 ~ 3 e b, core neutron detectorc, 3 the equivalent cf thrdo'.yoars ofMCI , ~ - .a.. :,,,, q. -( ,. -mu g g 7 6 cperation at Big Roch Point d ration. "y -"fT t - .i s 10 $ How would design dopond upon further I;est. of thodd'?[ I .t a. MR. MATTI : 0'i. : t think it in statec' there corrcetly,, M .f W that the tasts are being conducted in _u 'r to denonctr1 :e I i n 4 ) i; detector longevity wulch is one of the ar_e of concern, the i a. 't ',t w. 14 lif etime. i . q,, _.. 3:n ';M That is colely an econcnic' question ly +. i 13 [ DR. WINTE!3: ,:a 2 16 ji t hen. _ :,.... J .e 17 y MR. SCH0','ER : Yes. 2 + m p@:. .1 y;
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~ l 6 d depend upon further testing there would be -- you havo a M G_~; t j ... c,. ~., #.. e. . e e .u._ 5 ~ 20 E. capability of replacing one' type of' detector with another Iinif' 4 a [ is f the proposed design, de you not'? u E n T2 1 !El. MATTIMOC: That is correct,. y e ,1 1 i DR. PAXTON: So, the design change would be detectori J W l)l ~8 b i 1i ~ g M' design change, is that it? O n M.. l .E MR. MATTIMOC: May I ask ?ir. Cutchin to respond t'o C 1 l lung ,.p J* l 4 f.
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n.w 'YL e, I. 15 ' teactor that depends upon this particular set of tests?a Mu i + . aph, 4tyy f 1S MR. CUTCHIN: Not on future tests, but it' ? j.* v i t Ul d id-depend. on tests which have been completed tt-daj;e,-yes, p: ,e r c. l .4 11 i sir. These tostclhave not'yet been documented fully,i.so wefare + + 2-g;c. e%~ >a U ;l. still carrying i' as an' PE item that has not beco completely; c w , m..p.g i y m .a DI documented. 'E db i
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12 ] coordir. ;or and hic pnaent follo; tin ; concicts of infernatien I I a j fj cp, a availai,'.o frca B2N as to the statuc m? the material tcing j O .'d, a t. o rdered, and as to the pinnned se::edule of f abrication. I n. , s, aw is CHAIRMAN DC?m: Perhaps details uculd be~helpfulttoL 1 .z (.
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) g- .i 3 .the. nill, La; rw einri:!y that. ~ Je w o.:ld, cf ccuras, have to i 8, i .4 4 ) loc.': a c the nill ceports anc t<:e 2de.ruatien that is obtain-4 4 U .E i cbic frcs the aill with regard to ;au picco c:: rtcal that rias 3 l y g o 1 6) in qu*:ctica k, f w.g,f ; w I -7 U - To this extent there Tould Sa inspection of tho *A* ' J e q % f 1. a m j M, e* m atcricl~ as received. ? ~,. WQ* u weg j [ e. .t, a i 0 DR. TIHTE2'i: Toll, by you or by Babcock and Wilco:c? 1*' W + i i, w TG ly 'iR. MATTIMOE: Natu ally it wou!d be donc by - + 4 s 44
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2 In 1963, I was assigned as a Nuclear Component Specialist in the Nuclear & v 5 Special Products Department of the Power Generation Division of The Babcock & d, k 6 Wilcox Company in Barberton, Ohio. In this capacity I performed marketing and
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c. 14 by the Nuclear & Special Products Department of the Power Generation Division % J mm w mf,;7 y g .a, .,. Q m 15 ' of The Babcock & Wilcox Company. This includes the nuclear components (pressure B;,-- - m : s;. w w. u 16 parts) for the nuclear steam supply system for the B&W systems, and the General-3. v.g.m g r .i m ;. m y. m. w apw.EP c 17 Elcetric and Westinghouse reactor vessels. ..q,..m%$. ic ', P .. O ,-e, ,? O., - . a g.s g,.. w- ,e 6. During the above work. ' periods,iI have concluded course' study in Business,53,..h j 18 y
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