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Unofficial Transcript of 800512 Public Meeting in Washington,Dc W/Harrisburg/Middletown Area Citizen Groups Re Cleanup of TMI-2.Pp 1-40
ML19317H333
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Issue date: 05/12/1980
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^ m '.Q ~ GILL / o .L.,.<.,- l Cdm 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA I. i 2, NUCLEAR REGULATORY CO 01ISSION { 3] PUBLIC MEETING p 4, MEETING WITH HARRISBURG/MIDDLETCWN l i s 5 AREA CITIZENS GROUPS REGARDING CLEANUP OF TMI-2 n N I j 6 Nuclear Regulatory Con:aission g Rocm 1130 ?; 7 1717 H.

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Was hington, D.C. 3 3' n Monday, May 12, 1980 { 3 i 9 I The C0= mission met, pursuant 50 notice, at 2:00 p.m. l 10 3 . BEFORE: 5 11 ! i 3 JOHN F. AHEARNE, Chai= nan of the Commission J 12 z E VICTOR GILINSRY, Cctmissioner s. 13 l JOSEPH M. HENDRIE, Commissioner l 14 PETER A. BRADFORD, Commissioner I 9 15 ! g = NRC STAFF PRESENT: l ~ 16 i 3 i W LEONARD BICKNIT l E 17 s SAMUEL J. CHILR 5 18 C 19 I a 20 l I 21 1 ? 22 23l' i 24j l 25 l l 1 ALCERSCN RE?CRTING COMPANY. INC. t

i l l-A l i i l' E1EEEEEE i / 2, PRESENTOR: PAGE l 3. Dr. Michelini 2 l 4, Edward Willenbecher 5 f o 5 William Nichol 10 Ya 3 6 Doug Stott 12 4 27 h 7' John Chubb 15 A 3 8' J i ~ d 9 i 10 i E 11, E<3 d 12 ', z (, g 13 = E 14 i' a 15 w = 16 ' 3 l 6 17 I w = $i 18 i am. 8 19 Xn 20 i 21 1 22 ] 23 i 24 i } 25 i ALDERSCN RE.:CRTING COMP ANY, INC.

? I i 1 i Cda-2 l j _P _R O C _E _I D _I _N _G _S 2i CHAIE!AN AHEARNE: This af terncon the Commission meets 3 on another one of the many meetings we have held ca affairs re-l 4 lated to TMI and the TMI-2 clean-up. Cc=missioner Kennedy is j i I 1 5' cut of the ccuntry and unable :: he with us today. We have re-e 9 s 6 ceived over the past month and one-half letters from various o n 8 7 groups who wished to meet with us to talk ahcut the TMI-2 clean-8 up. We did meet with one group in March as I recall. And that n l J d 9 was a group who wished to express to us their concerns about the i= P; 10 i staf:_, s croc. osals rec.ardine. cleanuo.. z 5 11, And we have received two requests: one from Carlyn 3 l J 12 Sitner and the other frcm Dr. Michelini regarding the opportunity i z= = 13 to have individuals from their crot 's cc=e to address us. We

== E 14, made the suggestion that perhaps the rvo groups could cc=bine. f a I ww I E 15 And that has lead us this afternoon to the present c.rouc. who is .u = 16 here to present us with some cf their views and their coints that 3 i e s I F 17 they would like us to consider as we go about this didficult aW= 5 18 process of reaching a decision as to what the next step is we =w l t 19, cught to take with regard to the TMI clean-up. = n 20 Welecme, Dr. Michelini. I would turn the meeting over 21 to you, i DR. MICHELIN!: Thank you. I vetid itke to express 22 } i 23 ' cur appreciation for the oppcrtunity :c address the I:=missicn. i

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3 i sd=-3 I I f i 1 CHAI? MAN AHEARNE: No, we are accustc=ed to =any ad hoc j 2i presentations. I 3 .l DR. MICHILINI: As the chairman pointed out, these l i 4' two groups were ec=bined and we have subsequently found that a l 1 g S brief history of their organi:stion may be relevant to the subject, N i 3 6 =atter that we precose to present te vou. i e N f. 7 One group represented sc=e Middletcwn citizens who w M l j 8' af ter church the Sunday following the Liberty Firehouse meeting J 2 9 < fele quite concerned that the i=pressions being churned abou: ,z e E. 10 ' their cc== unity and about their understandine. of the TMI situa-5 i 5 11 tien were not adequatelv being reflected. I 3 g 12 And they came together with Mrs. Carlyn 3itner basically l ,= ( g 13 s.'.gning the letters of ce==unica icn to you saying we would like A l g 14 ' to express ourselves just as citi: ens of the ce== unity with a 5 I i f I r 15 concern for TMI clean-up. a ' i. i j 16 Al= cst cencurrently there were ancther grcup of us who e I ,d 17 hac.cened to have. cast relations in either association ac vitv. = E 18, in Harrisburg or relating to govern =ent in dif ferent capacities. =H 19 I think you can say the electic nature of that organi:stion, M 20 with Secre ary Geddard, forner Secretary of the repartment of 21 Inviron= ental Rescurces: Father Lentocha who has the largest j 22

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i 1 24 Uhen we received the call fr = Mr. McGee indicating you 25 had ::nsented :: hearing these groups in ::=hinati:n we tr ed :: t i ALCERSON RE.:CRT*NG COMP A.NY. INC.

d cd=-4 ~ 9 I j get together and say all right what will we ccmmu" -=~= *o you? 2 Certainiv the technical expertise and the NRC reports 4 3 are far beyond what we are cenpetent to 4udge or to cass judc=ent l 1 on. And we really decided that what we could best do is speak l 4 i I frem our cwn professional and personal associations of the e 5 - -n n4 eeoole we work with and pecple we live with and sav now in four 6 e f7 subject areas which we anticipated may be the most difficult for i 8 you to deal with because they are not scientifically substantive N d 9 areas, and just sav. here is where we cc=e frcm and these are the i 6 f z 5 10 conments ae would like to address to each of those issues. ~ 1 2 j j-The first of those was the subjec of health effects 4a 'd 12, perceptions. The second were farner perceptions of TMI clean-up, z: 1 S 13 The third were some of the psychological and stress ef fects that i E 14 cur great news media issues but may not in fact be relevant in a b E 15 the community itself. And the last are seme of the difficulties -a

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16 ' in kind of a mcb =edia environnent of ecmmunicating one's indi-t= R 17 vidual views. I a. t. Ea ja We did crepare scme brief articles which I will c.o = w6 throu-h cniv. to indicate that we are aware cf the prcblems that 19 v a n 20, as commissioners you face. You are at the cutting edge of a 21 sccietv. that has been coc. in3 vith the prchlem cf how do.vcu 22 deal with extremely complex technelegical issues, a citi:enry '3.that haa every risht te he ccacerned abcut the stewardship tha: ? 24 l is being ampl:ved in addressing those technological issues, 25 Sechncl0g7 --* ^" 3: rips what nay have veil been in hand as 4 l ALCERSCN REPORTING COMPANY. !NC.

5, adm-5 1 the technirues for measurement and understanding. 2, So the issue fr0= side zero what does it i.ean, the i 3 cnce Over lightly eclumn that appeared in the Harrisburg Sun 4 paper with a very respected political eclumnict, Carmen Bruto, and, c 5 Rosalyn Yallow is primarily to shcw hcw the =ost rational e ti j 6 attempts to deal with these subjects get mixed up with other things i l ri 7 that are appearing concurrently in the juxtaposition of the i i 8 cartcon just kind of destrev. s the thesis of her article which n J 9 2. says we got to be a little more sensitive to the fact that a O l c 10 lot of people are developing in our society and we are coping with ' z= j 11, many problems that are very difficult. j 3 t ~j 12 And unless we do that in a rational way we are going l = l 13 to be in scme real trouble. I t I j 14, So we understand that. And that is why we are trying to i t I. _2 15, ce=municate to you that we are sympathetic with your position w i ? 16 a but we also feel the eine has ccme to be supeortive of seme of I y 17 the lay citizen concerns in these areas. Without any further = E 18 introduction I will introduce Mr. Willenbecher who will speak 19 to that first issue of scme of the health effects perceptions n 20 ' and the feeling of people in his professional field. 21 MR. WILLIN3ICHI2: Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the 22 iCommissica, my arne is Idward Willenbecher. I reside in Middle- ) i 23 ' :cwn, Pennsylvania. I am a chemis: by trade with a business in 24 Harrisburg. 25, My firs: duty :his af:2:ncen -- and : 'cring :: you a ALCEFSCN RE?CRTING COMP ANY. INC.

b cds-6 i t I sincere apology from the Borough of Middletown -- te any cf you 2 gentle =en that were subjectad to some of the meetings, particularld 3 ene at the Liberty Fire Company, I, as far as resident of the i 4 Borough of Middletcwn do not feel that was a reflection of our i i e 5, town. ~

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j 6 I feel you were approached with rather hostile groups M a. 7 :i that evening and I do bring a sincere apology to any of you ,n l 8 8 gentlemen that were there from the Sorough of Middletcwn. Ce i e i =. 9 As Dr. Michelini said, I ccme and speak to vou strictly ~ z h 10 ' as a lay person. I do not profess to have any technical exper-l z 5 11 tise in the field. i 3 i 4 12. I tried to categorize my remarks if I might in three z = _d 13 categories: that being frca the accident at TMI to the present, -a 1 E 14 ' what we face at the present, and indeed what we face in the future., w k w i i i 15 ; Frem the infamous March 28th to the present what truly have we a I = .i I ? 16 been subjected to and what has been f actually proven to us? -s u, 17

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l 7 i cd:-7 got to some of their statistics, the actual infant mortality j statistics around TMI six months af ter the accident was proven to 2 e ea s pe ,000,0cpulation whereas the infan: =ortality 3! i i rate six =cnths before the accident at TMI was in fact 17. 2 per i 4 i thousand. 5 e 4* i Still births decreased from six in 1978 to three in f 6, 7l 1979 covering those same periods: six months after the accident, 8 .5 six months prior to the accident. 8 i r< i ,4 I 9< There was also an article that was presented in the I I i z i j 10 papers in the Middletown area that hypothyrcidism was elevated l z i 5 in the Lancaster area. There again the state health department o 11 and actually refuted the statement after it was presented l 3 came ut .i 12 z_ 3 . in the pacer. 13 ! s =_ a I guess what I am trying to say here is that even a 14 W i c 1., i though these health oriented things were cresented by the press, = t w l in e ect there was no substantiation for them. I ~. 16 ' E l a i i And in fact I do net think it hasbeenprevenconclusive-j j7 _u E i E 18 ly that anycne, inf ant or adult, any deaths can be traced { j9 dcfinitely Oc the TMI accident. 2 M 20 And in that regard I de not think there was that =uch 23 apprehension shewn by cur group frem the accident :0 the presen: Oi *

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8 d "- 8 I: since the accident and we are still in a hold mold so to speak. What should be done? Unit two as I know and we all know has 2, to,e c_,eaned up. c 3 And as far as my linized kncwledge is 00ncerned the 4' first step that has to be performed is eliminating accreximately 5 a -n E 57,000 curies of krv= ten that is in fact in that containment e 6 a ~{ building and has been there since the accident. Ecw long can 7 y we rely en the containment building to do what it is named to do: 8 n 9 in fact contain any accident? 9, z' 10, I have been told there are seals on the building that i i E will only last so long. In fact, at some tLne they =av fail. 11, x m ' Being a chemist in the business I am familiar with instrumenta-12 -z= 2 tion and any maintenance that has to be perfor ed on such instru- = 13 ' l = centation. a 14 -a E I understand there is instru=entation in the building 15 4 r M ~. shewing you what the conditien of the core is at present, There 3 16 2 g-j7 are cooling fans in there that have to he ma4-'=4 ed, And it is l x. s. mv understandine that the maintenance schedule en those instru-w la { 39 =ents and those cooling fans in fact should not exceed two years, = i a 20 - And I do believe that two years has passed. So what do 23 ycu do with it? We have been told that it can be vented and there I 22 are other alternative =etheds. The venting =e:hed :: get rid cf 23 the krypten is in fact alces: ready :: ge I understand and can be i 74 dOne and can be dCne safely, which we have been : 1d by 700 25,9*E218280-1 1 i ALOERSON RE=CRTING COM: ANY..NC.

I 9 c d."- 9 We have also been told that there is another node, j I and that being selective absorption. I understand it has been l 2 l i tried dcwn at Oak Ridge but I also understand that at Oak Ridce i 3 I it has not been used in the macnitude it would have o be u;&d l 4 I e 5 at TMI-2 to get rid of 57,000 curies of krypton. I understand D.4 6 it would have to be macnified 10 to 12 ti=es its present stature a f7 in order to perform this. r 3 Also it would take six to seven months to get ready to 3< n d use anv tvce of selective abscr=. ica and also that would take _s 9 .z 5 10 30, 40 days I as told. Here again what I rn getting at is the l e _z i. = tineframe. You are extending and extending the timeframe, which 11 I' =< 3 I 1,. i. s a think is bevond the extension period new. That is whv we are z= 13 accrehensive in this re5ard. -m= g 34 If you gentlemen have told us that venting under con-l x 4 5 15 trolled conditions at TMI-2 is a safe and efficient way to cet _w 16 rid of krypton, then I do believe it shculd be done and we do 3 w F 17 believe it should be done. l a E ja As far as the future of TMI-2, unit one and uni: two t 19 and the nuclear industry in general --- Ea 2o CHAI2 MAN AHEARNE: I shculd state issues regarding 'MI-l 21 we cannot discuss. 1 -u 22 - tp wr--ry=r.nrez.

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I 10 cdm-lc been told that TMI-2 can be generated by fossil fuel. I lived in 2 Middletown in prior years and I was subjected to much fly ash j i l - o~ C aw#o ' '- - 'r- ^ " ~ ^ - *o ~-a -".a s"""v- ~'-' v "~e=1~*- --r' c - ~- 1 3 - ~~ = l 4 tions. e 5 F u - *~ ~" a - a -"" e e s e ~- ~ *- ' e - ~-'ak ~'aat e--""o"- --a ~r ~ -H 3 6 wealth of Pennsylvania at the present time has a suit against the 4 h 7 state of Ohio for acid rain. All of these things, what I am S 3 getting at, stem frcm fossil fuel. In this regard we further n .a s 9 feel there is a definite need for nuclear power in the future. z. i 1 s r-10

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i 5.c 11 DR. MICHELINI: Willian Nichol is Lcecutive of the 3 'i 12 Pennsylvania Holstein Association and is going to talk about z= s 13 scme of the positions his group has taken with respect to this 14 clean-up. + 5 15 ' MR. NICHOL: Mr. Chairman and members of the Ccmmission, .a= . m? 16 Bill Nichol is the Ocecutive Secretary. I work with scme 5500 f A i .e- ..=- v ---.e a-i,.: j7 u, 4 -..

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11 eem_11 i 1 exported cattle to scme 36 or 37 different countries throughout I 2 the world. I am speaking with the interest of the cperation I 3 there and I am speaking with he interes of the holstein breeders, i 4 the dairy farmers in the area, I e 5

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7 the China testing and we are familiar with the less of milk sales .,r. i 8 as the result. It seems everv. time scmething ha.cc. ens thev start E 9 measuring what is the response monitoring our milk, i_ .e. 10 And I can tell you this that as scon as the accident i 5 11 last spring we had dairy farmers in that area who were =cnitored 3 i 12 on a daily basis frcm 70 to 90 days and some up to six and seven z= S 13, months and never once did they find any radiation in the milk y 14 that was produced in those farms, =. E_ 15 So I have a statement here that I would like to read l w i = l 16

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3m 17 is addressed to the Cc= mission: the Pennsylvania "dolstein Associa- 'aw i E 18 tion, representing 5500 members, feels strongly that the venting r I 19 of kryp'on a: Three Mile Island should be permitted. s n 20 se..- , um _ia _u:_ _4 - a 4.c. ., s a _4._, r a 21 and reascnable step in a jcb tha must be done: the pr:mpt ) I s 22 i clean-up of TMI. And actually the scener it is done the better 23 . o. -,..$,. :_. _w, ... e..~. _. o o_e. u. _., m_ a.,c _4a. 4..,. u.t,.. w e ._._u.. .._4_._ ,t_w ~..~..e -...., _ e.... 3..,.. 3. t 25 We are :0ncerned tha: further delay

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12 cd=-12 1' possible deterioration of the containment building and cause un-2a controlled venting. 3' Anv health risks to cur citi ens and possible ecenc=ic I 4 loss to our business cc== unity must be avoided. The agriculture I f g 5' cc== unity in Pennsylvania cculd not withstand the econc=ic loss n' j 6 that would follow uncontrolled venting. Farmers are starting l 7, a new growing season and we do not want another ca=paign as we I l i te 5 8 saw last year against agricultural products in Pennsv.ivania. i i G n 9 We knew cur products are as safe teday cs they were z* 6 h 10 ' before the incident of TMI, We need to demonstrate that fac: z= 2 11 through sc=e constructive action by moving ahead with the clean-3 i 12 up task at TMI. z = s 13 Thank.vou verv. much, =

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M. 14 ' DR. MICHELINI: DouT Stott is a 3'unior hich schcol U e -( 15 guidance counselor and is going to report on sc'.ne of his exper-j s a. i T 16 ' n iences in working with students and vcung ceccle. M i i g. 17 Ma. sTCTT: I have been a guidance ccunselcr a: the .= 5 18 Feaser Junic: Eigh Scheci for 10 years and was in school the i -9 19 day we were told to evacuate. I have a wife and a two and one-a 20 half year old daughter and we live in Middletown, well within 21 the three-mile radius. a I 4' 1 I 22 l My family and I evacuated :: Mechanicsbur2, Pennsylvania u l Ii 23,, acc.1-t 3, _43 .. yay -.u._._.,... 3 2 .....4....4-. ..,.4 2 ...--a m.. a. e.. a f 8 24 .e-a--- c.. .- --, e -..- ---.-r3 g4-3 2.=- ra- --- m.--- a -- -se.c--a. =- - -~ 25 ......a4-----.42 l l ALOERSON RE.:CR~ING COMP ANY. INC. l l

i 13 Gdm-13 j I am able to state, however, that there was no mass l e 1 2 hysteria at the reaser School last March nor has there been any 3 since that time. On March 29th aceroximatel" 20 cercent of our 4 students were picked up from school by their parents. Many were 1 g 5 apprehensive. r. ri s 6 But most of them came to the school office, signed a i e f' ..o *..= s a'...g '..a.v we.- a. .= '<. 4..g '-.".e.i. c" i.1 A e r., a.a. A 1 =..". 7 s*.4 '.' ,=, 7 "k believe that their acc. rehension was due largely to the uncertaintv., O 8 g W d 9 o f the situation. 2. ,a. n v. one parent.cecame abusive anc. c. ave us a narc. time l z 11 about tne release of their child. That parent bv. the way is new a<a d 12 working down at TMI. z= d 13 As a guidance counselor I have conferred with c.bcue

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i 19 1 Dr. Stanley Orden, a noted radiologist on the 2 faculty of Jchns Hopkins University was the coc=ence=ent 3 speaker at =y college, the Elizabethtown College in Central s 4 Pennsylvania just ten miles from Three Mile Island. He stated 5 that people were overwhelmed by institutions and cited TMI as 6 a symboli?. juggernaut threaten.ing the lives of the people of 7 the area and that the press, television, and magazines saw the 8 accident as a way to i= prove sales through the creation of an 9 " aura of apcrehension." I personally feel that the longer to this cleanup situation is lef t dangling and there is little or 11 nothing done that the health and safety of the area is in 12 jeopardy. And I believe that if the plant is cleaned up and 13 hearings are held as required by your Commission in hearings ('" 14 and your regulations that the people will come to understand 15 and agree to whatever decisions are made by the experts. I 16 believ that some of the best experts in the nuclear industry -{ 17 are working on the problem. Trust and faith =ust and will be 18 restored in them if reasonable, complete, and prompt decisi0ns I t 19 are made and then carried out safely and expeditiously. l 20 Thank you very =uch for your attention to =y comments. 21 DR. MICHELI.4I: '4e will conclude then by saying that t'e process herein that in any such kind Of 22 we understand h l 23 public policy decision you have to d0 70ur best o obtain all I 24 the information possible, have have to assess i:, you have to 25 =ake a tecisi0r., and then you have to take 50:e acti:n. And l ACEFSCN 4E?c AnNG COMP ANY, 'NO. 2 m $7EE S.W. aE?cA7?S 2U:C!NG. W ASMNG~0N :. 0. U:04 2 5%C'5 i

20 1 we feel that the first two steps of getting information and 2 assessing it are well in hand, that you are involved in the 3 third step and we are not sure how your =aking of a decision 4 is being affected by different perceptions of public 5 understanding or support. So we are here really to contribute 6 to the process that you are involved in in making that kind of 7 decision. 8 We are encouraged at 1ccal governments interestingly 9 enough, which one would presu=e are under the close scrutiny 10 and under the gun, in fact have been making these decisions 11 and resolutions have been passed which recognize that we have 12 reached a point in time where sufficient understanding and 13 sufficient technical advice has been given to you and 14 understood by the public. People sometimes I think look down 15 t, heir noses and don't think we are smart enough to understand 16 how to weigh evidence and interpret media attention on things. 4 17 We understand what their concerns are. l l 18 In fact in preparation for this hearing I started to 19 keep track of some of the media trea:=ent and it is very 20 interesting. They are far more evenhanded than we tend to 21 give them credit for but we read what we want to read, we hear 22 what we want to hear. And I am not sure we can bla=e anyone 23 for the creation of that. Again I think we are back 00 the 24 point of saying you are at the cutting edge Of a Octally l 3 different kind of public policy formation. And I think local i AJE?s;N *E80 A9NG COM A ANY. NC. 0C0 7m 578iE' 3. V 'I'0 8'I'3 30' 0'**.o, w/.sHNGTON.12. IC4 O m 55a-045

21 1 govern =ents recognize this and will support you. They reflect 2 a br:ad constituency in : hat cc== unity. I :hink the state 3 governmenc, we hope to be able to coc=unicate the sa=e kind of 4 sentiment to them that we feel that the Nuclear Regula:Ory 5 Commission has exercised leadership and is in a positicn to do 6 even more about it. 7 I would conclude by saying that Mr. Scott referred 8 to some of the distinctions that we see in dealing with 9 disasters. And in ?ennsylvania we lived through the ficeds of 10 1972, which was the greatest national disaster this country 11 has ever known. And I happened to be president of a college 12 up in Wilkes-Barre and we had 58 buildings go under water, had 13 150 faculty, 100 other employees. So I think I have lived 14 enough seeing what disaster and subsequent drama and 15 subsequent stress can mean both to families and to children 16 and to kids and to the enterprise which you are involved in. 17 And there is a unique characer to this disaster that we had. 18 Wherein =ost disasters the stress and the trauma are on a 19 decline after the actual disaster, it is just the Opposite 20 hare. And the 1:nger we persis; in trying to dot every "i" 21 and cross every "t" we are only permitting nat to get worse. i 3 And so=ehcw or other we got to say " Fellows, you are very 23 highly paid," except that I knew you are not, "to =ake these 24 kinds of decisi:ns. The public has a ic: =cre confidence in l

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1 22 1 that view." There is a lot of confidence in what you do. And 2 I think people are just waiting to say come on, le:'s get on 3 with the job and let's =ove ahead and clean this place up. 4 Thank you very =uch. 5 Just one conclusion. In our audience, because we 6 were limited and we are just about on our 30-minute time 7 schedule, we do have others: Representative Ken Errdt serving 8 in his fifth term as a state leg: slater who represents many in 9 this district. ~4e have included a packet of letters he has 10 received in response to some of the ing'Jiries he has addressed 11 to local government people. Representative Snedt is here in 12 the audience available to answer questions. P aul Geris, who 13 is in the Office of Social Ministry of the Council cf Churches 14 has had many opportunities to engage in consultation with 15 clergy from all this entire area and can communicate sc=e cf 16 his experiences if you so desire. Father Lentechs was '2 1'7 unable to be here. He called me this morning. du t again has 18 e=phasized his contribution is basically supportive Of ours 19 that the time has come to move ahead. The people are 20 expecting it and they will accept the decision when it is 21 made. And then Ralph McG r e go r, a dairy farmer from the area t 22 who has been in the business for many many years and probably 23 would represent the kind of sophistication : hat the farm 24 industry certainly has because :ney deal wi:n this ten years l l 25 ag:. Sc they are far more understancing Of the technological I ALOEPSCN 4E?cRTNG :MP ANY. :NC.

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9 23 I problems associated with the venting of krypton and want to 2 reinforce that this is not going to be so=ething mysterious 3 and new to them. They are fully capable of understandingf the 4 technological side of the problem. They see its =easurable 5 effects in their everyday lives and in their businesses. Sc 6 for better or worse here we are. We are ready to answer 7 questions for you. We hope that you will accept our 8 amateurism in good faith. 9 CHAIRMAN AHEARNE: Well Doctor, thank you very much to you and your colleagues. When you say of amateurism, I think 11 that you are representing your own honest views in this public 12 participation process which we are engaged. We are attemping 13 to get the honest views from the citizens of the area. t 14 Clearly you represent a set of views that we must listen to 15 just as we must listen to the other views that we have heard. 16 Let me ask one question and then as =y colleagues for possible 17 questions they might have. As you well know there is a very 18 strong feeling on the part of some of the people that you live 19 with in the area very much against this approach the staff has 20 recommended. And I think I wculd te interested if : can get l 21 some sense from you as to how you see you have co=e out on one 22 side and they, have co=e out very strongly against on the other 23 side I assume based On the sa=e set Of facts. 24 DR. MICHELINI: Well, I am not sure snat -- you 25 know, being in educati:n I guess we have :: accep: 50se Of sne AL E?SCN *E?CCNG :MSANV..N. 300 7 n STRE!*. 3.W. *E?CRTE?S But. tNG. WA$i-iNG ON. : 0. : C 4 ::::5 4 :0:5

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2 Ed 1 triggered another question I would want to ask of Mr. Nichol 2 or Mr..MCGregor, either one, there have been mention and we 3 have a number of letters on that matter, there have been a 4 high number of abnormal ani=al births during this period after 5 the accident. Can you comment on that? 6 MR. NICHOL: I guess we did hear of some but this is 7 something that is happening all the time but there is never 8 any recording or it is not made known of, you know, a 9 two-headed calf or calves with sore eyes or the problems with to goats. You know if you put all of these combinations together 11 and you are going to find any situation like this anyti=e you 12 want to anywhere in the United States. And believe me, and 13 Mr. McGregor can vouch for this also, our two organizations 14 -- he representing the Pennsylvania Farmers Association, which 15 is all the agriculture producers of the states, some 27,000 16 members of his organization in annual membership who have gone '5 17 on record the same as the association I represent that we c.9 18 to see the venting started, we want :o see this brought behinc 19 us because we are concer,ned with our agricultural economy in 20 cur state. Any delays is just going to cause more proolems 21 down the road. 22 You can go into this area and visit one on one with 23 a dairy farmer or a fruit grower or any one of them anc they 24 are going to agree. So let's get underway and not wcrry abou: 25 one or two individuals out here who is going to Os naking a stos=scN assea so ::wanv..Nc. XC **n sT* EE". 3.W. *E?c'71*S 3U'.s3 nA3HNGT N.

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28 I reported, with the ability to move ahead quickly with the 2 venting technique and with the proper Oi=efra=e to permit the 3 =ost favorable =eteorological conditions and with all of the 4 kinds of assurances and ceasuring devices, we just feel that 5 the ti=e has come to say we have gotten all the infor=ation. 6 You got to =ake a decision. And you should =cve ahead in the i 7 interest of'the public. 3 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: I meant was there some other 9 aspect of the cleanup other than the krypton proble that you 10 felt we ought to be moving on that we are not? 11 DR. MICHELINI: I personally know of no other 12 specific decision that is as high in the level of the local 13 population. Maybe there are other decisions that the cleanup 14 is waiting on, but I am not familiar with them, nc. That 15 seems to be the highest priority. 16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: That is presently what you 1'7 are addressing yourself to? 18 DR. MICHELINI: Yes. New if you want to get into 19 issue such as should Unit 2 be entombed in concrete versus 20 cleaned up, that is not really what we are addressing but 21 CHAIRMAN AHEARNE: Any further questions? 22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Thank you. 23 CCMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Joe? 24 COMMISSIONER 9.END3IE: I wan: :o thank ycu all for 25 these c==ents. As you probably knew they reflect a line cf l AL;ER$CN 4E?CR-'NG COMP ANY. NC.

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A 8 s 29 1 argument that I have made at this table a number of times in 2 the past year. And I am very glad to see a=ong the =any 3 voices that come before the Co= mission finally so=e voices 4 from people in the community who see the problems along the 5 lines that I do. I wonder if Representative 3rrdt or the b gentleman from the Council of Churches might like to have a 7 minute or two to say a word to us. I appreciation the 8 collection of letters that you had, Representative Brandt. 9 MR. SztET: Yes thank you Mr. Chairman and members to of the Commission. I think what we have here today is 11 basically is, as the doctor said, we had presented another 12 view of wnat we have heard and what has come out in the media 13 on the issue of Three Mile Island. I as an individual can t 14 tell you that I live within a mile of the reactor itself. I 15 have lived day to day there. I never left there. My wife and 16 three small children had left because that is what the 4 17 governor had said at the time. People have stayed there from 18 day in and day out. I represent an area of about 00,000 19 people that would all fall within the 15-mile radius of Three 20 Mile Island. And by the letter that you acknowledged I wrote 21 to all those elected officials and no negative responses. (' ZZ They are not hearing this on the street as we read in the. Il media. And I really feel the biggest concern those pecple 24 have in that area is, that they are more concernec with :ne 25 unkn:wn Of what happens if we don't get off center a r. d ge: \\ AL E3 SON 8E*CA'NG 00M* ANY, NC. 2C0 ?*n SM EI*. S.W. *E8cR*1?S SULO'NG. W2SNNG70N. 3. 0. 20C:4-TW 5%35

30 1 this operating and get this cleanup on its road. And I really 2 feel what we are saying is we have trust in the NRC we are 3 looking to you for leadership and we are looking to you for 4 guidance. I think that is the general feeling of the people 5 in the area. And it is important that we don't get the issue 6 mixed up of, cleanup of Number 2 with the issue of what the 7 future is for nuclear energy is in this country. That is 8 another issue and that.$ould be addressed here and places 9 such as this in our nation's capital. I hope this is what you to efer to. 11 COMMISSIONER dENDRII: Very useful. Thank you. 12 REV. PAUL GEHRIS: I guess I should address myself 13 to all of you and maybe to some of the group with whom I came. 14 The Pennsylvania Council of Churches is not related to the 15 National Council of Churches and we don't have a statement on 16 nuclear energy. And not everybody obviously agrees with the 17 National Council or with the State Council. But I as here i 18 because I pastored for nearly 15 years before =y tenure en the 19 start. And there is a pastoral role involved for the clergy 23 ir the whole Middletown area. And most clergywould agree with 21 the guidance counselor that the longer it waits, the more 22 tension there is. People can deal with decision be er than 23 they can deal with indecision. ~. based On my layman's 24 uncerstanding, I think -- and I have talked to scme 25 semiexperts Over the last few months -- it wculd appear ha: AL E?SCN a E?C A~:NG 00NtPahY,,NC. .T !% 45 %c 7 - $~2EE~ 3 W *i808*1?S !UILOING. NASHNG70N :.; =c04

4 Ya 31 1 the decision to vent is an appropriate decision. I would also 2 give a theological word and that is to make a decision can be 3 very liberating. And we hope that you would make that 4 liberating decision for yourselves and for us. 5 CHAIRMAN AHEARNE: Peter? 6 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: I gathered that you are all 7 in favor of venting. Do you have a common viewpoint as to 8 whether the venting should take place over a relatively short 9 period, a day or two under favorable meteorciogical to conditions, or whether as was origianlly proposed it should be 11 spread cut over a period of so=e c0 days? 12 DR. MICHELINI: My personal blue-sky view is that 13 the most economical way to relieve the tensions would be to '4 offer anyone who lives within a five-mile radius 3500, a 15 ten-mile radius 3250 and say go to the shore for the week, get 16 away from your concerns, just come in and pick up your check 17 and go on vacation because we are going to vent between June i 18 15th and June 23rd. l 19 I don'; have an answer. I am being facetious but I l 20 would -- but =y feeling would be -- 21 CHAIRMAN AHEARNE: I think you get some takers over 22 there. (Laughter.) 23 DR. MICHELINI: ' dell, I think fro: an ecencaic 24 standpcin that would probacly be the best for the business of l 25 the shcre that is being hur; by the cos: cf gasoline. In any l AL:Eas;.9 2E?C ArNG OOV7aNY,.NC, 200 Nn $** EF. S.W. 4E20 A *1?$ !Lf LTNo. +V ASNNG~0N 0 C ZCA' '200' 53'"22'3

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La-2 ^ 34 i I dying through excitement and panic in the thing than we will if i I 2 we proceed in a safe manner as we are trvinc. to c.e: acccc.olished 3 through this meeting. I think it is a matter scretimes of good i 4 common sense and some of the rulings. I know ' rom a technical s 5 standpoint - really don't have the knowledge but I know there 0 j 6 are people in this country being paid a lot of money for their 6 7, knowledge and expertise. . r. A 8 And I would certainly hope in the next few weeks ahead a. ~~ 9 2. that some type of action is taken by the Commission in a step to Wy 10 ' move forward in the venting process. z= -4 11 From a real estate standpoint in the Middletown area -- 3 5-12 and this comes from the Harrisburg realtors also -- the conth = 5 13 af ter TMI we certainly had a tragedy. We like died. Frcm May on = l z 5 14, until the end of October the real estate business was verv, verv '= ^ 15 5 good. The =crtgage crunch came and cf course now we are dying = g 16 for lack of mortgage money. But if I used the two in relation m I y 17 .o c e a c..w. m..y r.- wa sc v. .y, y. .y -.4. 3. .:4. . c... x. e 2 x 5 -e e s *..= ~. a. b uo 4..as o-.'. F... a. u.. a - .4 : W u -,.=. - =_ a. P M i-

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I i ic-3 35 I studied and by every calculation, even the most pessimistic, 2' would have absolutely minimum radiation expcsures and no health 3 l< effects. I will commen: that I see on beyond ge: ting rid of the 4 krypton one way or another so that people can g:t into the con-1 g 5 tainment. I think we are overdue in beginning to process almos: n n.] 6 one million gallons of contaminated water which is in the bottom -7 7 of that entainment and which so long as it is in its present N'j 8l condition =oses to be sure a small but nevertheless a continuine. i g d" 9 risk. 2 M 10 ' Pipes can corrode, somebody can open the wrong valve Sz i = 4 11 - and so on. And I will say once again as I have been saying j ~ I i i 12 i at this table for over a year that we need to get the radioactivity = 13 5 materials released by this accident fixed in forms where they t t = W I4 5 are not available to be disrursed into the environment and to _e i g

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get to people through equipment f ailure or misadventure of the i = i y 16 operators. U 17 So see before us not only the venting decision but i e i C z 18 and urgen: need to move on and to c.et crackinc. with the cleanuo. l I t s I9 l s of that water and with the rest of the decontamination of the n 20 facility as well. 21 .n .e - o t, ..4 ..ow ;o vm u. o,_. -m c - - - s. -...r Ce.vy a s-. u. r_.e m 4 a-_- an_ ,i 2n. 1

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T . ~. 10-4 36 I of breathing apparatuses which make movement and any active 2 maintenance extraordinarily difficult so that we can get some i 3 essential minimum maintenance done on the reactor system, so i I I 4 that we can restore instrument channels, service the coolers, get ! l, s 5 a lock at some of the piping and make sure we are not going to 2 3 6 have problems of hhat kind. But I think we also ought to be N 7; pushing ahead and making preparations to get that water processed. n .N 8' I think we will indeed come to a decision _on the crypten question I J i 9 in the next week. z I Oy 10 The commend ceriod, which has been extended as you kncw ! z= 11 4 in deference to your Governor's request in par at least, ends B 12 i the 16 th o f May. And I will look to the NRC staff to spare no = 13 effort to bring immediately thereaf ter to the Ccmmission a summary ~ 5= m f 5 I4 of the comments and its recommendation. And I surely hope this g 15 cc= mission will then act.cremo. tly. But that is 3' us t the firs:

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3 step down the cleanup line. And I will remind.vou all that there! ~ 16 A i N I7 are many others to come. And I surelv hcce that we do not have :0! t: 1 o 18 agonize and argue and assess and have cc= men:s and reassess and _s 19 i have more comments and extended cc= ment periods on every confounded n i 20 step down the line. 2I And I must say I thank ycu for ccming :Oday. And I l 4 22 ! am scrry := add :0 my thanks the caution that you may have : .I '3 :' stand un. and. veil hard and clear again and again fcwn the line :: 24 i keep i: Icving. ..c -..v. v,..w _. -. m. 2 .e - _- u.. o.s.. -_._.a._....._.-. 4 i i ALDERSON RE.:CRT;NG COMPANY. INC.

i is-2 37 i i f i 1 a sc=ent. Our understand us to be weighing the cuestion of l 2 crv.oton release versus --- I t 4 i 3 CHAIRe_U AHEARNE: Other mechanisms? i 1 4 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: No, no, the value of reducing g 5 the release you might say as opposed to the dangers attached to vi g 6, delaying releases and these connected with the need to maintain e. 7 soi:.e of the equipment which otherwise might malfunction. Su . r_. y. 8 it was not my im=ression that at least at this point that is J 9 holding un. the cleanup of the water in the container. t .z=y 10 COMMISSIONER HENDRIE: You would think not in a formal l z-- I l1 fashion since presumably Met. Ed. could progese to us that they is y 12 prepare a cleanup system and start pumping the water in the con- = E 13 tainement building through it and cleaning it u=.. But I remind n 14 j all of us that some time ago,this Ccmmission decided that it had C i ~ l 15 to have a crogra.matic environmental impact statement en the whcle 1, x .i =. i 16 cleanup process to the extent that we can anticipate steps all g i -e i i .N 17 ..w.e w.y e o e n .. e _1 _4..e, ..w. a...w. = _ _4 -,v o_ _.- -...e. __ wc.. ' - w c a w =_ w 18 x.,e I..- _4 _1 n a. . a _1_1 ..w..=...e.. a..t. ..w. r.

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38 l is-s I l in what is a continuous process; and that decontaminaticn i v i 2 .culldine are vo'ne. to rec.urre c: ene water anc tne containmen: 4 I 3 just as much public concern and awareness. The alterna::.ve wcu'.d 4 be that every step along the way would be ancther delya. And I l 5 g would say as a broad principle we are saying cleanup c: the ti i 2 6' entire unit too is our concern, no: "ust crv.o cn. Crv.pton has i

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~ in-7 39 I i Ii say that I think the events of the last 12 months have given Met. 4 2 Ed. precicus little reason to feel that thev ought to char:e 3I ahead before they have scme guidance from us. And I trust when J 1 that guidance ccmes, and I trust it lies in the programmatic and 4-e., 5 env4-..... .A' 4, -...p a c. s. a._ ..e..., _w 2

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40 ts_e I of v.our colleagues who came up, we verv. =uch appreciate vcur i, i 1 2 cc=ing. I recognice the difficulcy of your cc=ine to tescifv. i 1 i 6 39 It is a difficule task to fc. We very much appreciate your I i 4, ccming down and giving us your thoughts. We will carefully con-j i 4 5 sider those as we weigh cur decision. e ?.* ] 6 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Thank you very much for coming.; O ends 5 7 (Thereupon, at 3:00 p.m. the hearing was adjourned.) I ,i ce -8 8 1 c d i n 9, .2 0h 10 I i -z 5 11 > l 3 f 'i 12 ' z =, E 13, = u, = 14 x D 1 r 15 a s 4. = 16 i 3 mi .i-17 .a "2 18 J =. s t 19 > X5 1 20 o1 no-l 4 t 23 l 24 i 25 ' t ALCERSON RE. CRTING COMP ANY, INC.

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