ML19305A544

Transcript of 790507 TMI-2 Investigation Interview W/Ba Good

ML19305A544
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Issue date:	06/26/1979
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{{#Wiki_filter:i UNITED STATES OF AMERICA l NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION i I 1! In the Matter of: i 2 IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3I of f4 Beverly A. Good i Environmental Scientist Si Si 71 i 8i 5 Trailer #203 9! NRC Investigation Site i TMI Nuclear Power Plant 1CI Middletown, Pennsylvania i 11! l tiay 7, 1979 12' (0 ate of Interview) 1 31 June 26, 1979 (Date Transcript Typea) 14i i 163 & 164 15j (Tape Numoer(s)) 16i 17l 13 19l t 21i i NRC PERSONNEL: [h 22 fiark E. Resner Thomas Essig i 23 L 24; i @b i

t [ i f t l lj RESNER: The following is an interview of Ms. Beverly A. Good. Ms. i 2j G od is an environmental scientist 2, employed with the Metropolitan i 3} Edison Company at the Three Mile Island site. Present time is... 4I GOOD: I'm not at the...I'm Met Ed, Reading. 5 l 6l RESNER: 7 Ok. Let the record show that she is employed at Reading 8{ l cation, Reading, Pennsylvania. The present time is 11:55 p.m. The' i date is May 7, 1979. This interview is being conducted in trailer 203 g which is located just outside the south gate to the Three Mile Island 10i site. The individuals present for this interview are Mr. Thcmas Essig. Mr. Essig is the Chief, Environmental and Special Projects 12!, i Section, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, employed at Region 3. 13l Moderator for this interview is Mark E. Resner and I'm an investigator 14l J with the Office of Inspection and Auditor, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory .x Commission, Headquarters. Prior to taping this interview Ms. Good was apprised of a two page document explaining the purpose, scope and authority with which we have to conduct this investigation. On the 18i second page of the document there are three question which Ms. Good 19! has answered and I am taping for the record. Question Nc. 1, do you 20}. understand the above and Ms. Good has checked yes, indicating that she 211 ) does understand. Is that correct Ms. Good? 22l 23l l GOOD: Yes, that is correct. 24! 25! \\Y .W3 i

m i i 2 t i 1! RESNER Ok. Question No. 2, do we have your permission to tape the 2 interview. She has checked yes indicating we have her permission. Is i 3j that correct? 41 5l GOOD: Yes, that is correct. i Gi 4 RESNER: Ok. Question No. 3, do you want a copy of the tape. She has 7 8 also checked yes indicating she would like a copy. Is that correct? 9l GOOD: Yes, that is correct. 10j i 11! y RESNER: Ok, we will provide her with a copy of the tape. And at this i time I'd like to ask Ms. Good if she will to give us a brief resume of g her educational and job experience with the nuclear industry for the 15l benefit of those who will be listening to these tapes in the near ig future. i 17l GOOD: I have a bachelor's degree from Purdue University in environmental ISr health, 1977. Master's degree, Purdue University, bianucleonics, 1978. 19! I was employed as a student trainee in the summer of 1977 at Three i Mile Island. When I finished my graduate work at Purdue, I started 211 l work with Metropolitan Edison, Reading, Corporate Office, September, 22! 1978. 23 i 24! 25j \\M @6 i t i

( 3 1. RESNER: Ok, thank you Ms. Good. At this time I'd like to turn the 2 questioning over to Mr. Essig. 3 E5SIG: Mark, is there one thing that you want to ask her about the 4! 5 company representative? 6l RESNER: 7 Oh, ok, let the record show, do you desire to have a repre-sentat'ive of your choice present at this interview? g 9l GOOD: No. 10' 11 i RESNER: Ok. And also do you understand that you're not compelled to talk to us. i 14l l GOOD: Yes. 15i 16l RESNER: Tom? 17 I 18! l ESSIG: You indicated, Bev, that you've been working in the Reading 19l office since September of 78. Would you describe what your duties 201 i normally are, what is your area of responsibility. Your job title 21 suggests that you're involved in the environmental area. Could you 22 elaborate a little bit? 23 24 l L 25l I ~ .k l

l-l 4 l l lj GOOD: .I'm with-the radiation safety environmental engineering section 2 in Reading. I am responsible for the radiological environmental 3 monitoring program there. Along with that I work on projects for TMI, 4 Three Mile Island, as well. 5 ESSIG: Projects such as...? 6 7 GOOD: The appendix I-Tech Specs...off hand...it's been so long since 8 I've been there. Things along that nature...a lot of work on the Tech g Specs themselves. And things of that nature. Things which need to be 10l done which the plant itself doesn't have time to work on, the health 12l physics group there. So then we get them to look at. 3 13 ESSI_G: And is your, the name of your immediate supervisor is..? 15i GOOD: James Mudge. i 17l ESSIG: And his title is? IS! l 19l GOOD: Supervisor of Radiation Safety and Environmental Engineering. 21! ESSIG: Ok. I Do you work with Mr. Michael Buring? Or did you? 22 23 GOOD: ~I did work with Michael Buring. 24 25 1 hJ l

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{ 5 i !lj ESSIG: Did you share with him the responsiblity for the radiological, t 2l environmental monitoring program? 3 4l Initially, I did share the responsibility but eventually it was GOOD: 5' turned over to me. 6{ ESSIG: O k. What I'd like to do now is to get some idea for the 7 record.;, we're doing this for just about everyone that, in fact, 8 everyone that we've interviewed, to ask each individual to sort of go g 9Y 10 Mile site, following the event of March 28th at 0400. Could you state for the record where you were that day, when you called, who asked you come to the site, or if you did, in fact, come that day or just tell us exactly what started with the 28th, we're interested in the first three days, so it would be the 28th, 29th and 30th, Wednesday, Thursday, 15l and Friday of that week. I 17l GOOD: I was, I arrived at the site at approximately 8:00 March 28th, 13r I was coming to the site for a health physics meeting which had been 19! scheduled. And when I arrived the island had already been secured, so I went to the observation center and found out what had happened, that 21 I a general emergency had been declared. Actually I thought it was just 22l a site emergency at first and then I went into the observatior center 23 and I called Michael Buring in Reading and he had talked to Tom Mulleavy 24 and Tom Mulleavy told him that I should come on in to the plant. So I 1 f 0 l s@ t r

I f ( 6 went back to the north gate and went into the plant. And when I got lj 2; there, I went back to the Unit I health physics lab which was the i 3l emergency control station at that time and was with Tom Mulleavy and 4 Lon Landry was back there and the other people who were in the emergency 5l control station. And from there we moved over to Unit 2 control room, and from there moved over to Unit I control room and I was in the Unit 6 1 control room until like about three o' clock in the morning of March 7 29th. g 9 ESSIG: Do you recall approximately what time each of the moves were 10 made, like when the ECS was moved from the Unit I health physics I station and that's the normal...? 12. 13l GOOD: Health physics labs is the... 15! ESSIG: That's the prime location ordinarily... and why was it moved from there? 17l 18l GOOD: We took some air samples and realized that with just a quick 19i count that the air activity was high so that we had to move to a location that had good air. So that's why we moved to the Unit 2 t 21l control room. When we go to Unit 2 control room after awhile the air 22 activity got high in the Unit 2 control room, so we moved to Unit 1. 23 24 25f i 1 f M L

e 1 I l l ESSIG: I see. And do you, could you possibly put a time associate 1! 2 with each of those moves, do you recall? I 3! l GOOD: I can't say times. You know, like we were in Unit 1. I was in 4 Sj Unit I health physics lab I don't know maybe an hour or two... 6 ESSIG: Yes, I know some of the times are hard to reconstruct, but 7 we're hoping that by asking enough people for their best recollection 8 that we can sort of piece together some of the key times when events g took place. 10l lif GOOD: It may have been like 9:30, 10:00. 12l 13 ESSIG: Ok, do you recall when it was moved from the Unit 2 control room to Unit I control room? 16i i GOOD: Maybe it was another hour or two there, too, I don't know. 17j i 18l l ESSIG: Ok. When you went to the, first reported in to the ECS you 191 were reporting to Mr. Mulleavy? 20! I 21l l GOOD: Yes. 22' 23 l ESSIG: Well, I guess I interrupted your train . thought, you indicated 24l l that you took this up to about three o' clock in the morning of the 25l D l l l

.f f, 0 i 1l 29th and would you describe your duties that first day after you 2! arrived and then went through two moves of the ECS finally ending up I in Unit 1 control room. What were you called upon to do? 3l 41 i GOOD: When I was in the Unit i HP lab I was answering telephone, page 5l i 6l phone, things like that. Relaying messages to people, things like that. I myself didn't have any responsiblities. I'm not in the 7 emergency plah because I am Met-Ed Reading. Ok, if I were like at the 8 site like say, Tom or Len Landry or somebody like that, I would have a g specific duty. But I was not assigned a specific duty at that time. 11! ESSIG: You just happened to be lucky enough to be coming here for a health physics meeting that day... A 14! GOOD: Yes. 15i 16i ESSIG: ... health physics meeting which never took place and so ordinarily you would have not been called other than in an advisory capacity ~with 18( respect to the radiological and environmental monftoring program, I 19l i mean had you, had you not had a meeting that day... 20f 21l GOOD: I would not have been here. 22 23 ESSIG: Ok, you would have not been here but you would have been ir. 24 contact with... the site would have been in contact with you asking 25l i @b i

9 1, you for advice with regard to the radiological and environmental 2 monitoring program? l 31 4l G03: Yes. i 51 ESSIG: You or Mike Buring or both. 6 7 8 9 i ESSIG: Ok, so then you spent mo,t of the day until three o' clock ir. 101 11l the morning on the 29th then because you didn't have a specific emergency plan duties, you were helping out with answering the phones and seeing 12 that people got messages and type of thing? I 141 GOOD: Yes, that's what I was doing in Unit 1 then...ok, when I got over to Unit 2...ok, it was actually by the time I had gotten to Unit i 2, what I was doing was trying to collect some information and call it 17! to Reading. 18!' I was in contact with my Mike Buring to try to let some of them know what was going on. 19i 20j l ESSIG: Ok. Collect information with regard to inplant radiation 21l l levels... 2 21 ~ 23 GOOD: Yes. 24-25 ~ \\S% 1 g5b

{ 10 i i 1l ESSI"g: ... plant radiation levels. I 21 3{ GOOD: Things of that nature. Yes. l 4! Sj ESSIG: Ok. And then how about after you moved over to Unit I? i 6i GOOD: 7 Then when I got over to Unit 1, I was logging dose rate readings f the onsite and offsite teams were calling in. And was also on the 8j gj phone to the Bureau of Radiological Health, calling them and telling em e i e an she dose rate readings. 10 11 ESSIG: Ok. Were you specifically assigned that duty by Mulleavy to I contact the State of Pennsylvania or is this something that.... 13 14l t GOOD: A line had already been set up... 15! 2 16! i ESSIG: Ok. 17l 18j GOOD: Ok, between Bureau of Rad Health and we were just switching 19l off. Ok, it wasn't somebody that said, you know this needed to be 40{ done, you just knew. 21l 22 ESSIG: Others present.in the control room had been doing this? 23 24l r 25! i k @6 a i

i 11 1l GOOD: Had been doing that. 21 i 3j ESSIG: Ok, and who were the others present in the immediate area where you were working in the Unit 1 control room? 4 l 51 GOOD: Ok, Tom Mulleavy was there, Len Landry, two engineers, Howie 6 Crawford and Benson. 7 8 l ESSIG: Mike Benson. 9( 101 GOOD: Mike Benson. Those two were actually in charge of the map and 11l 1 the meteorological conditions and directing the onsite and offsite 12l teams where to go. i 14! i ESSIG: Ok. 15i 16! GOOD: And lets see who else. Greg Hitz was in there. 17 18( ESSIG: Ok, and what was... 19i 20 GOOD: He's shift supervisor. 21 22 ESSIG: O k. Did he have much of a...Mr. Hitz did he have much of a 23 role to, with regard to what you people were doing and attempting to 24l l access the radiation levels? 25j l g@ i 456 I l I

I } I { 12 1. GOOD: No. He wasn't. At about 1 or 2 in the morning he relieved me 2) on the telephone. I remember that. 3 ESSIG: Ok, so then you went home probably about 0300 then, as best 4 5 y u recall? Si GOOD: Yes, and I was back here at about 8:00 in the morning and when 7 I arrived at the north gate, Tom Mulleavy had left a message that I 8 should come back in at 7:00 that night. So I was already awake and g had lots of coffee so I went from here to the Reading office to check 0 up on what was going in the Reading office. I 12! ESSIG: Ok. You have an hour of travel each way you probably didn't 14: get an awful lot of sleep then do you? 15i GOOD: I didn't go home that night. 16l i 17! ESSIG: Oh, you didn't go home? 18 19f GOOD: No, do you want to know where I slept? 20l 21 l ESSIG: Park bench somewhere? Over in the observation center? There 22l were a couple that did that. 23 24 25i '\\b .#6 i

f I { 13 1 Ilj GOOD: No. 2: ESSIG: You don't have to say where you slept that night, it's not 3 4l really all that critical to our discussion. Were you during your Sj inv lvement in the control room that first day, were you directing or 6 pr viding advice to anyone or was it mostly taking data over the phone and the radios and recording the data. 8 G000:

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g 10l ESSIG: Ok, and were you asked for advice to anyone? Advice, I'll 11! elaborate a little bit, with regard to oh, the... assessing the signiff-cance of a particular, of some of the data that was being collected? 13l That type thing. Or was that being done by others? 14i 15i GOOD: I can't remember. I'm sure I commented on some of the dose 16i rate readings and things like that. 181 ESSIG: Ok. What were your...do you recall what your general impressions were of the dose rate measurements...did you feel at the time that there were sufficient measurements being made given...were you attempting 21i to think in terms of the met conditions where the wind was going...I 1 22' realize you said you weren't directing the teams that was handled by 23 the the meterologist, but did you in thinking about the some of the 24 dose rates that were being measured, get a feeling like the people i 25! i \\ l 8 l

l 14 lj directing the teams were soon to be on top of the situation as far as i 2 having the team at the right place at the right time or was it just 3 too big of a... being at the end of the period... to be shifting 4; quite a bit. Was it too big of a job to be on top of or did you not 5 form any opinion at all? I 61 7 GOOD: Well, I think they were, they were doing a pretty good job of 8 trying to track the plume but a lot of' times we just had stable wind g conditions on zero to two miles an hour wind it's not going anyplace. 10-I mean it's just kind of hanging there. So I think they were doing a g good job of keeping up on the met data and switching the plume around with the use of the isopleth on the map. g 13 ESSIG: Are these the isopleths that they were using?... What we have f r the record are two transparent overlays which are a plot of the 15 atmospheric dispersion factor commonly known as denoted by the Greek letter X divided by Q and can be abbreviated for typing purposes as I X/Q and is the dispersion parameter normaily given in units of seconos 181 per cubic meter and I'm looking at two values, two sets of isopleths 19! I for X/Q, one for unstable conditions, meterological conditions and the other for stable. I'm just exploring the whether or not these were the same or nearly the same ones that were being used in the control room to access the downwind concentrations. Do these look familiar? 23 24 h 25

{ l { 15 1 GOOD: We didn't use the unstable one at all. l l 3{ ESSIG: You didn't use the unstable one at all? i 41 5l GOOD: We had no unstable wind conditions to my knowledge. Si ESSIG: Ok, so you used mostly the stabl'e one then? 7 8 GOOD: Stable and neutral. gj 10 ESSIG: So you primarily used the stable and the neutral. Were you 1 assisting with attempting to plot the plume in this manner or was it I mostly done by the nuclear engineers that were there? 131 14 15l GOOD: The nuclear engineers were doing it although I was absorbing it, checking it. 16i i 17I ESSIG: Were you asked a~t times during this type of assessment for 18t l your opinion... I guess you said you weren't asked for any particular 19! i advice? 20l l 21!' GOOD: I would call it more commenting. You know, like, yes that 22 looks right or no, I don't think we have stable wind condi?*ons, or 23 things like that. 24 l

1 16 l ESSIG: Are you familiar then with the procedure which in the emergency i 2 plan which is, which refe.ences these isapleths that are lying on the i 3 table here. It's specifically procedure 1G70.4 which involves the 4j estimation of a X/Q value, a Q or source term and then an offsite dose

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rate calculation. Are you familiar with that procedure? 5 6' GOOD: I have read the procedure. 7 8 ESSIG: Ok, had you read the procedure prior to...was that part of g y ur training on...as a Met-Ed employee? 10; 11., GOOD: It was not part of my training but I had been...I had read the procedure, I had been involved wit.7 the emergency drills back in I October. 14! 15j i ESSIG: Ok. So you were somewhat familiar then with the use of these 16i X/Q isopleths then? 17l 18l l GOOD: Yes. 191 l 20j ESSIG: Well, I guess we're up to the 29th where you had reported in 21 at 8 o' clock and there was a message there for you saying that you...they 22' wanted you onsite but not until seven o' clock that night, at which 23 time you proceeded to go to your office in Reading, and could you tell 24 us what you did there in Reading? 25 I f r \\ l 9hh I i .v.

I 17 L lj GOOD: Answered the telephone, tried to get supplies ordered. Things i 2; like some dose rate instruments. People answering phone calls from i 31 ther utilities who were offering help, calling some other utilities 4! to see if they had some extra instruments available that we could use. 5 ESSIG: Are these primarily just radiation survey instruments, dose 6j rate type instruments that you were.... 7 8 GOOD: Yes, Teletectors, E-520s.. i 10 RESNER: Were you successful in your attempts to get extra instruments? 12' GOOD: Yes. 13 14 ESSIG: And did you...I should be giving my name as I'm going and I 151 haven' t been very good about it... Did you then spend the, most of the, remainder of the day in Reading attempting to round up instruments 17! and talk with people from other utilities and tnat type of thing? 18( 19l GOOD: I was there till like about 1 o' clock. Then I went home to get 20I l some sleep. 21,; 22 .ESSIG: Ok, and then.... 231 24 1 25l l .gO @h i l f

-.I l \\ t { 18 i lj GOOD: Came back in about seven, I was here about seven. I 2 ESSIG: Ok, here at TMI? ' 3l 41 5l GOOD: Yes. I 6i ESSIG: While you were at the corporate office was Mr. Buring doing a 7 1 t of the same type of work that you were doing at that. time? 8 9 GOOD: Yes, he was. 101 uj ESSIG: Ok. When you came back to site at seven o' clock that night 12l I where were you...where did you go? ,3l 2 l 14) RESNER: Resner: Excuse me, at this time, we'll break the tape and 1Si pick it up in two minutes. The time is now 12:22 p.m. (corrected to l AM - see below) 17 18( RESNER: This is a continuation of the inteview of Ms. Beverly Good. 19f The time is now 12:24 a.m. A note for the record that we ended the 20j first tape with p.m. and it should be corrected to a.m. Tom? 21. 22 ESSIG: We were discussing your reporting in at about 7 p.m. the 23l 1 evening of March 29th as you had been previously asked to do and I 24 think you were about to say where it was that you went, once you 25i i reported in. ~\\d l 8

i 19 GOOD: I went back to the Unit 1 control room. 1 i 2l l ESSIG: 3l Ok this would be also known as the emergency control station 4j at that time? 5 GOOD: Yes. 6 7 ESSIG: Ok, and what were your duties on arrival and who was there, do g gl you recall? 10l ESSIG: To whom were you reporting? 11; i 12{ GOOD: I forget who was there that night. It was either Dick Dubiel or Tom Mulleavy. u 15; 16;l ESSIG: Ok. But you're pretty sure it was one of the two of them. I 17 i GOOD: No. 181 1 191 l ESSIG; Ok. 20l l i 21} GOOD: I just know one of the two or both of them were onsite all the 22: time. Like we were rotating. Like Len Landry and myself had started ~ 23 like, Len was on twelve hours and I was on twelve hours and we were 24 rotating like that. And Tom Mulleavy and Dick Dubiel were doing the l 25j ~ g same thing, I think. @h i f i

l l { 20 i llj ESSIG: Is that the reason why you were delayed or asked not to come 2 in until seven o' clock when you had proposed to report in at 8 o' clock 3f that morning? 41 GOOD: Yes. 5 6 ESSIG: 7 Because apparently Len Landry then was working...he was working during the day and then did you sort of relieve him. Is that what 8 gl happened? i. 10 GOOD: I'm not sure if Len was there at the end of the day on Thursday. 12! ESSIG: Ok, but eventually.... 13{ 14! 15l GOOD: Eventually that's what happened. 16 i ESSIG: At some time then whether it be Thursday or sometime af ter 17! that, that you worked out a twelve hour shift schedule and you were on 18[ twelve and he was on the other twelve. 19l 20l GOOD: Yes, but at that time I'm not sure. I know they wanted...ok..apparently I they had had somebody else there during the day because they wanted me 22 to come in and work at night, but I'm not sure if Len was there at the 23 end of the day or not I can't say. I don't know. 24 25 f i

.I 21 1 ESSIG: Do you recall what you were asked to do that night or did 2 anybody ask you to do anything. Did you just sort of size up things I 3l in the ECS and decide what to do for yourself? Do you recall? l 41 GOOD: Nobody really gave me a specific assignment. I just was there, 5 61 helping, doing I guess the same thing I have been doing the night before. 7 8 ESSIG: Ok. But do you recall the name of individuals that you've said gj y u recall the number of people that might have been there, were there 101 two others like are the nuclear engineers still or one of the nuclear engineers still there directing the survey teams by radio? 13 G000: I don't know. There was at least one nuke engineer there. There probably was two. I don't remember for sure. 15! 16i ESSIG: We know in a lot of these situations the facts that we're 17l talking about are a month old now and the recall is a little tough in 181 some cases. But were hoping that talking with sufficient people that 19I we can put together a reasonable consistent story. In some cases 20! l there were actual times written down so we can go from there for 21 certain key items. So you..as best as you recall...the second nignt 22 when you came in at seven o' clock then your duties were quite similarly 23 to what you had been doing the first night, that is that you were 24 mostly putting data down on the... recording the survey results that 25i were coming over the radio? l h s

l 22 GOOD: Yes. 1. I 2l 1 ESSIG: I have here a copy of the survey records for the period of 3 4l time in question. I have in front of me a xerox copy of the data 5 sheets which were used in the control room to record the survey results and I have roughly about fifty pages or so of recordings of survey 6 data in terms of tic 9, date, measurement and location. And the reason 7 why I thought it would be helpful to show these to you is because I 8 did this the other day with the...when we were talking with Howard g i Crawford and Mike Benson...it seemed to help their recall a little 10l l bit. Because they were able to say well, yes that's my handwriting lli right there and so if you would just flip through that a little bit and see if... 13l 14! GOOD: This is mine. 16l l ESSIG: Ok. That was yours. So that was the very first sheet then? 17] I 18( GOOD: Page 1, 2 and 3 is mine. Some of page five is mine. 19 20 RESNER: For the record how are we indicating this is your document, 21! is it initialed? 22 l 23 GOOD: No, I know my handwriting. 24 D 2s l i i

23 11 RESNER: Ok. Thank you. i 2k I 3' GOOD: Plus I know that I started this. 4l ESSIG: g When you were taking down the data I noticed later on in the recording of the' data and I think it was probably perhaps on the 6 30th...it didn't appear to be 28th or 29th that eventually it was the 7 team, whether it be the Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Foxtrot I think 8 gj was another one of the teams...that eventually the team was recorded..did 10;l early on...since you started the first sheet I'll pick on you for a moment. Was the team information not available or did you just not j think to record it or...did you know what team was calling in, did 12 1 l they say? 13l 141 l GOOD: Yes, and that was written on..how it was being run was there 15! was somebody at the radio and they had slips of paper that they were 16i writing down the team, and the time and the reading and the location, 17! l but initially why I had started this log was so that it was easier to 18( look down and get a better idea of what was going on than just by 19I using the slips of paper. But those slips of paper should have been i saved also. 21l l 22 ESSIG: O k. 23 l 241 l 1 25 l I i a

r l' I i { 24 l 1l GOOD: So you could go back and get the team that called those in. 2' i 3! ESSIG: So you weren't actually involved with reporting on these slips i 4j of paper, somebody else was doing that, like one of the nuclear engineers 5 or ? si 7 GOOD: I'm not sure who they had operating the radio at that time. 8. Eventually I did operate the radio and direct the teams but that wasn't until later. g 10 ESSIG: g Ok. I think knowing that much of the survey data at least as far as putting down the teams is recorded on those slips of paper and I have seen those so that will be another piece of information that we'll have to request. I don't know that we've made a request for those particular sheets yet. But I'have seen them. I believe ; hey 15 were still in Unit I control room when I last saw them in milk carton sitting on the floor in plastic bags. The...ok, going on then through the, your second day, that evening as best as you recall you were 18l making a recording data again. I'm not sure what date this is... These were late in the day on the 29th right here. Here is the dividing 20l line for the 29th.and 30th. Are any of these in your handwriting? 21l l 22l GOOD: No. 23l 24l 25i i \\9 l gb

25 lj ESSIG: These are somebody elses then. So if you were recording data 2 on the 29th at least it wasn't these particular ones. 3 GOOD: Ok, so this is on the 29th. Does this start the 30th you say? 4 5 ESSIG: Yes I believe it does. 00 you recall what length the shift 6l you worked that night...was that a twelve hour shift? 7 8 GOOD: Well, it was approximately twelve. + g 10 ESSIG: Ok, but you were on it from seven until early in the morning? 12, GOOD: Yeah. I probably left the north gate sometime like about eleven. i 14l 15i ESSIG: Eleven? 16i 17l GOOD: Ten or eleven. By the time I was able to get off it was probably 18f about eleven. 19l \\ 20l ESSIG: So you worked much longer than twelve hours? 22 GOOD: Yes. 23 24 25j f \\ l M l i

I 26 1 ESSIG: Oh, Ok. So that would put in on Friday morning then. 2 3 GOOD: Yes. 4 s ESSIG: You cam 4 in Thursday evening at about seven and then left the 6 site about ten or eleven Friday morning and you were then to come back 7 when? At seven? 8 GOOD: At night. Seven. g I 10' ESSIG: O k. You mentioned a few minutes ago that you were...at some g p int in time... you started directing the teams. Do you recall 12 that...was that perhaps the third night or did you do some of that the 3 second night? 1s 16l 17 9 18 19l I GOOD: Oh, yeah. 20l 21 ESSIG: Ok, was there...? 23 GOOD: There were still nuke engineers over there doing that. 2sj g. '. k i i i

.I l l 27 ESSIG: 1. Ok, were you doing that later on then mainly to relieve them, is that...? 2 l l GOOD: Well, we had changed, like, we had kind of gone on shift and we 4l Sj had emergency control station director and then like an engineer and s they were using Howie Crawford and Lance Benson and Scott Wilkerson 6 as like initially as engineers. And I guess Len Landry and Lex Tsaggaris 7 O 8 Potts was there like maybe Friday. g 101 11;l ESSIG: Did this organization that you just discussing did that go into effect as of Friday or was that later? 12l 13 I GOOD: That was later. 14! t 15j ESSIG: Ok. Several...probably several days beyond Friday even? 16i -1 17 GOOD: Yes. IS{ 195 ESSIG: Ok. Were....let me ask you a different way..did you receive 20i j after you were hired by Metropolitan Edison any special. training in 21, the emergency plan...you've indicated you have read this procedure but 22 that sounds like something that you did on your own. Did the company 23 provide you with any specific training.in emergency plan activities l like the use of the isopleths, offsite dose calculations, protective 25i i N \\ i i

.I 28 l i l! action guides, meterological and radiation monitoring instrumentation, 2 that type thing? 3! 4j GOOD: Ok. Back before the emergency drills they wanted a representative 5'i fr m Reading to be involved with the emergency drills. I 61 ESSIG: Ok This is the drill of October of 78? 7 8 GOOD: Yes. So that's when I became involved with it. I had come up g-f r a couple of the drills...I'm not sure maybe three or four of the 10 drills. 11:. 12! l ESSIG: O k... you... 131 14; i GOOD: I just came up as an observer not a participant. 151 16i GOOD: Were these drills that you observed were they relatively full-scale drills or were they just...I mean when you indicated there were a number of drills conducted to conduct a full-scale drill usually 191 involves a fair amount of effort or were these limited drills where 20l 1 some of the actions were merely simulated or sort of walk through 21! rather than actually done? 22 23l GOOD: Ok, as far as like simulations what they had done was put cards 24l different places with certain readings on them and things like that, M l i

l 4 i I e { 29 1 for the operators. Ok, for like I was looking at, ok, like people 2: were reporting to where they should have been reporting, accountability 3 was being taken, offsite monitoring teams had been dispatched and had 4 been given location to go to to take samples, you know, take a actually 5 take four or five minute air sample, actually set up the SAM-II, count 6 the sample...I don't know if you want to call that limited or simulated. 7 ESSIG: Ok, no, I think you've answered the question. Ok, getting 8 g' back to the training that you had been provided by the company, so you participated as an observer in several drills and then what happened 10 after that? g 12i GOOD: We had the big drill. 13 14j ESSIG: You had the big drill of October 787 151 l 16i G000: Yes, which the NRC was observing. 18l ESSIG: 19 What did you do in that big drill? 20l l GOOD': I was a drill monitor for an offsite monitoring team and I went 21; with an offsite monitoring team. 22 23 ESSIG: Ok, do you recall what were your general impressions from 24; being a drill monitor with an offsite monitoring team? 3 i

I { 30 GOOD: Radio communications.were bad. 11 2: ESSIG: They were bad in what way? That they were... 3 4l 5 There were blind spots... in which you have no radio communications. GOOD: 6 ESSIG: Ok. 7 8 GOOD: Aad the SAM-II broke. g 10 ESSIG: The SAM-II broke..ok. Did the teams or the team that you were with prior to the SAM-II breaking did the team members appear reasonably familiar with its operation? 141 GOOD: Yes, they did. 15j 16i ESSIG: Ok. 17 IS{ RESNER: Do you recall what type of radios you used? 196 201 l GOOD: I don't know what kind those long ones... I don' t know the.... 21! 22 RESNER: You don't recall a brand name on it? 23 241 1 gh 25 l l l

.f l I I l 31 I lj GOOD: The ones like the guards carry around. l 2'l ESSIG: Ok. So you were a... participated in the drill and subsequent 3 4j to that were you given...did you participate in any kind of a training 5 pr gram with regard to how the offsite dose calculations are to be perf rmed and the use of protective actions guides and the use of 6 these isopleths, that type thing? 7 8 GOOD: After the drills? g 10 ESSIG: Either before or after. 12l GOOD: Ok, before the drills I came up and had a meeting with Len Landry on the use of the isopleths and meterological data in that i procedure. 15! 1Gi ESSIG: Ok, Procedure 1670.4, offsite dose calculations. So you went 171 I through that procedure with Len Landry? 18l 19 GOOD: Yes. 20t l 21!' ESSIG: O k. 22 23 GOOD: Mike Buring and myself went through that procedure with Len 24 Landry. .\\ l i

I 32 ESSIG: O k. So then you participated in that drill and then from that y p int on did you have any other occasions to either have occasion to 2 use what was in the procedure or go through it or did you receive any 3 i further...did you have other meetings or receive any other further training or instruction in the use of this procedure, after the drill, 5 between the drill in October and then the event late March? 7 G000: No, not training, we, there was a meeting after the drill 8 itself to discuss things that needed to be changed. i 91 1 101 ESSIG: Ok, the critique then... n! u! GOOD: Yes, that's what its called yes, the critique. 141 ESSIG: Ok, and you participated in the critique? 15i 16l GOOD: The one after the drill? 17I i 18j ESSIG: Yes. 19! 20l I GOOD: Yes. 21f 22 ESSIG: Ok and as an observer of the monitoring team were you called 23, uoon to'Oive the recommendation that you just stated about the weakness 24 in the radio communication? 25l \\b\\ h i to

t .I l l 33 l lj GOOD: Yes, I stated that problem. 1 I 2l 3l ESSIG: Ok, were there any other recommendations that you recall 4 making at that time? i Si i GOOD: I can't remember I know the radio communications was the big j; 7l one. 8 ESSIG: Ok, and are you aware of anything that might have been done to g clear up that problem, anything in the next few months after it was 10l noted? g 12 G000: I don't know. 14j 15l ESSIG: I recognize'you aon't have any particular follow up responsibility 16l but I just thought you might have been aware of.... aware of something I that might have taken place to improve that. During your involvement 17l in the Unit 1 emergency control station and during the time that you 18t were...that you spent in the Reading office, did you participate in 191 the decision making process regarding when to collect the samples from 201 I the routine radiological environmental monitoring program, and what 21l samples were collected... essentially when to collect the samples and 22 which ones to collect if in the event that all of them weren't going 23 to be collected? Did you participate in that decision making process? 24 25l \\@ '5 I

i .i 34 1l GOOD: I had called Mike Buring...I don't know what day it was..well, 2 I had discussed with Mike I guess on Thursday, it would have been 31 Thursday, when I went to Reading and it was already taken care of 4 because I was out here at the site and...during... ok...when I had 5 been talking with him like on Wednesday I think we had discussed where 6l we should pull the TLDs and the air iodine and air particulates and i things lika that and we decided to wait until Thursday. I guess it 7 was Thursday that the first TLDs were collected and milk samples were g taken. We called Steve Gertz who is our consultant for the radiological g environmental program. I 11! I ESSIG: Did you ask him for a recommendation? 121 13 GOOD: I didn't call him, Mike did. l ESSIG: Oh, Mike did, ok. During the time that you were in the ECS 16i i did you have any contact with Mr. Sid Porter from Porter-Gertz consultants, 171 f was he there in the ECS? 18! 19l I GOOD: At different times he was, yes. 20 21-ESSIG: Ok I know he wasn't there the first day because he didn't 22 arrive until late in the evening on the 28th but I think from that 23 point on he was there. 24-25 hb gb g

I I l 35 GOOD: Yes. 1 l 2, 3i ESSIG: He was not there all the time that you were or...? I 9 i GOOD: Well, he was there and then he was over in Unit 2 and he was S all around. 6 7 ESSIG: Was he providing advice to the people that were conducting 8 the...that were directing the teams and then the use of the isopleths, g g was he sort of looking over everybody's shoulder or what kind of role did you perceive him playing? l 12! I G000: Ok...I'm sure he checked and he asked what we were doing and 131 looked at the readings that we were getting. 14! l 15j l ESSIG: Ok. Did he seem to pretty much in concurrence with what it was 16l 1 that you were doing or did he point out...any problems that you may ^ 17 ! have been encountering? 181 i 19l l GOOD: I don't remember. 20l 21 ESSIG: Ok. There's a procedure 1670.6 also another emergency procedure 22' and it's related to the actual offsite surveys and I'll show that 23 procedure to you and ask you if you had seen that procedure before. 24 Had you been through it? 2s, N 5 1 i l

36 i 1l GOOD: Yes, I have read it. 1 2! 3i ESSIG: To your knowledge had either you or anyone that was in the ECS 4f given cnnsideration to the section of this procedure, specificC ly 5 section 2.1.15..... 6{ 7 RESNER: - The tape cut off at 12:53 a.m. and Mr. Essig and I will take up where we left off. The time is 12:55 a.m. 8 9 E3SIG: - We were in the process of discussing a particular section of 10 Procedure 1670.6 namely the section related to Section 2.1.15 which is related to certain activities that the ECS may direct to monitor team g to do and I was about to ask Beverly Good if she was aware of whether or not any of these suggestions were considered at any point in time while she was in the control room either as a recommendation from her 15i or was she aware if any others made... any other individuals in ECS... 161 made such a recommendations. In particular the recommendation for I TLE ;. Could you comment on that one. 18l I 19l i GOOD: - I was aware that was in the procedure, however, I was going to make a change to the procedure because the environmental TLDs cannot be picked up and read on site. They are special TLDs which have to be sent off to Teledyne Isotopes and Radiation Management Corporation to I be read..So an offsite monitoring team could not collect those environ-24l mental TLDs and bring them here to be read. 25 i \\

37 i ESSIG: 1 - Okay, did you form an opinion at any time during the conduct f... with all the measurements' coming in, measurements of dose rate 2 f site. I know there were some occasions when the dose rates appeared 3 to be going up and down fairly rapidly because of changing wind conditions i Did you form an opinion and the plume seemed to meander a fair amount. dg at that time, knowing that TLDs couldn't be deployed first of all... 6 7. well let em just stop right there and ask you, were there any extra TLDs on site, of the environmental TLDs, which could have been deployed 8 if needed or were all those in custody of either Teledyne or RMC? Si i 10l l GOOD: - No, they were onsite TLDs which can be read with our Harshaw 11; TLD readcut system. They are not the environmental TLDs. 13 ESSIG: - Okay, these are calcium flouride TLDs or the onsite ones? 14! 15j GOOD: - The onsite? 16i i 17l ESSIG: - Yes. The TLD material itself or is it...? 18l 19i l GOOD: - The regular TLDs, aren't they are lithium floride or not? 20 21-ESSIG: - They are lithium floride? Okay. 22 23 GOOD: - I am not sure, I thought they were. 24 25 h g l k

1 I t i 38 I 1 ESSIG: - The environmental ones are? 2' } GOOD: - Calcium sulfate. 3{ 4l sj ESSIG: - Calcium sulfate. My, well I'll get back to my question then, 6 were there any extra TLDs of the environmental type onsite or which 7 might have been available for placing cut at special locations should they be needed or were they all back at the office of RCM and Teledyne. g I mean these would be just unexposed TLDs which are say sitting around g in an n lead box waiting to be put out should they be needed. 10 n; GOOD: - There were extra TLDs because the TLDs are collected quarterly u: I so there is an extra set that should have been in the lead pig which 131 we had been keeping at the Observation Center and since it was right 141 I near the end of the quarter, March would have been the end of the 15i quarter, those TLDs should have been in that lead pig and could have been placed out, which they were. I think the TLDs were changed on 17! the 29th. 18{ 19l ESSIG: - Okay, getting back to this procedure just for a minute. Did 20( you form an opinion knowing that this procedure did have a weakness in 21 the sense that the TLDs couldn't be read out onsite because they 22' weren't read out, you didn't have a reader ansite. That was done by 23 either RMC or Teledyne. Did you form an opinion when you noted that 24 the dose rates at times were fluctuating and it would b'e helpful to 1 s} .b 2s! gb l i

39 lj have TLDs out for a period of time so that in additional occasions I 2' such that you could integrate the effects of this plume this flow 3 which was rapidly changing, or did that not, was that not a consideration 4 during the evaluation process. The process of collecting all this, Si the survey did, did that thought not come through. 6 GOOD: - To have TLDs out at all times. 8 ESSIG: - To nave TLDs deployed at additional locations such as suggested g by this procedure. I think we have established that we couldn't do 10; that because they could possibly be put out because there were some i available at the Observation Center, which had been there in a lead 12! pig, but there would be no way to read them such as well read them on the basis of-just a suggestion, which is every four hours. 14l l 15i GOOD: - Okay, so what you are saying is was it not considered to use like the Harshaw TLDs which we use onsite, take some of those and get them offsite? 18{ igj I ESSIG: - Well either that or... 20 21 GOOD: - At other locations etner than like the normal environmentai 22 f stations that we have set up? 23 b N 24 25j g i l .I

i e i l i I 40 l 1 ESSIG: - Well I think probably the Harshaw TLDs or correct me, if I'm l 2! wrong, but they probably don't have sufficient sensitivity. 3: GOOD: - That's correct. 4 S ESSIG: - So those would probably be out. I guess what my question is, 6l did the thought occur to either to you or to any others in the Observa-7 tion Center something like, gee these surveys we are making, the 8 radiation levels seem to be going up and down rather severely, I sure g wish we had some kind of integrating device such as TLDs that we could 10y deploy at additional locations and give us a better handle on the integrated dose at additional locations. I think that was the intent I of the individual that put this in this procedure and they were unable to implement it because we don't have the TLD reader to readout these 14! 15l environmental TLDs and I guess my question is do you think in the future that knowing how the dose rates behaved should something like j that be considered in words other should consideration be given to

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getting a TLD reader with sufficient sensitivity, that would readout 18{ the environmental TLDs, or would your recommendation be to just not 19 worry about it and delete it from your procedure, since you can't 20l l implement it as is. Or did the thought not occur to anybody at the 21! time. 22 23 GOOD: - It would help putting out additional TLDs. 24 25 p l

I 41 ESSIG: - Or we can attempt to make the, make the surveys with the 11 2f instruments that are on hand. 3 GOOD: 4 - Well, because I thought, okay like the TLD location, the 5 environmental stations that we do have' pretty much surround the whole area, the whole site. 6 7 "Y' ~ 8 9 GOOD: - Like in particular locations like Goldsboro, the Observation i 101 Center, what else do we have, I don't have the maps for the environmental ut locations right off hand but I thought we had a pretty good representative number of locations of environmental stations. i 14! ESSIG: - Okay, so you were comfortable knowing that you had as a 15! backstop then the existing TLD locations and that those had been changed out on the 29th, that they were going to be changed at some 17l1 frequency then which was whatever you, three days was it? 18( 19 GOOD: - Yes. 20f 21 ESSIG: - Did you have any input to, to deciding what that frequency should be or was that something decided by Mike Buring. 23 24 l O i

f 42 GOOD: - I talked with Mike about it, I didn't make the final decision. li 2, ESSIG: - I see. Were you involved while you were in the ECS with, you 3 indicated you had used some of the isopleths. Were you aware of any 4 5l input from the meteorological consultant, Pickard and Lowe. I guess it is Pickard, Lowe and Garrick. That they had calculated X/0 values 6; based on the t conditions, for met radiation for meteorological 7 Conditions, for the 28th they were available at the end of the day. As I understand it about 3:00 that afternoon they were transmitted, or g 5:00 that afternoon, they were transmitted the 28th, and I think they 0 were made available from that point on to Dave Carl, your, I think he n: is your corporate meteorologist. 12; i 13! GOOD: - Yes. 14' 15l l ESSIG: 16i' - Do you know, did he make those available to the site, here, to the ECS? 17j ISI GOOD: - Yes, he was telecopying to Len, he was telecopying to the 19J site, Dave Carr was. 20f 21 ESSIG: Do you know what was done with those X/Q values? 23 GOOD: - Sid Porter got them. 24 25l N N t Gb i l V i

-{ 43 lj ESSIG: - Oh Sid did. Okay. Do you know what he, what ne did with 2 them, by chance. Or were you not privy to the calculations that or i 3l whatever it was he was doing with them, l 4j 5l GOOD: - I don't know what he was doing. 6 ESSIG: Okay. Let's see, initially the calculations as I understand 7 it from talking with Howie Crawford, Mike Benson, they were following this procedure,1670.4 in taking the source term, taking the X/Q g values, predicting what the offsite dose rate should be and then 0 comparing that with the actual. I think the first prediction using the HPR219 monitor as indicated in the procedure overestimated the source term by quite a bit because the containment pressure was not what it was for the, that the calculations were based on. They were 14j based on the 55 or so psi pressure in the containment and we were only 15i experiencing something around 2, and anyway as I understand it from 16;1 i the calculations they were doing, initially they were high by, they 17! l measured, they were calculating about, as I recall, around 10 R per 18l hour in Goldsboro and sent a team out to eventually measure and measured 191 4 about 1 mr per hour so they were high by roughly a factor of 10 and 201 i as I understand it eventually the prediction of source term, or prediction 21! I of doses using that source term they sort of gave up on it because of 22f the, apparently the predicted source term was just not or the capability 23 to predict the source term in fact was just not all that good. Were, 24 do you know if that was, was that ever resumed as: far as you know. 25i Did you get involved with any of those particular calculations. ..b J

7 44 GOOD: - No. I 2f I ESSIG: - Okay. 31 i 4! GOOD: - I had looked at them but I didn't do any actual calculations. Si ESSIG: - Are you aware of any guidance given to the survey teams with 7 regard to the fact that it was mostly xenon 133, xenon 133 activity 8l that was to be measured, and it an 80 key gamma and was there any 9l l guidance given with respect to the use of what instruments to use, or 10l with what precautions, or any of that, any of that type of guidance. 11' 12; j GOOD: - Our first teams who went out were Met Ed people, Met Ed radchem 13i i techs, so they should have been aware of what instruments to use. Oh 14! 1s that for me? 15! 16l l ESSIG: - Certainly, we treat our guests w1i. 17l 18j G000: I thought I saw ors for 30 cents. I'll give you 30 cents. 19l Ha Ha Did you turn the tape on? 20l l 21l l ESSIG: - So its your position that they should have been aware of the 22' appropriate surveys to be made, they knew it was a noble gas plume 23 tnat they would be encountering and it was mostly xenon 133. Is that 24 basically what you are saying? I don't want'to put words in your i 2 51 mouth but is that the thrust of what you were saying? g N j i J i I

45 GOOD: - Sort of say like what instruments to use. They, because i ~ of the drills, I mean just because of doing, you know, the work that 2 they do, they should have known which ones to use. As far as them... 4f ESSIG: -00 you know what instruments were used? 6! GOOD: - I. don't know what they took with them. 8 ESSIG: - Okay. I think I'm probably down to maybe two more questions. 9l Do you recall if during when the teams were making a survey from the 10 helicopter were there any precautions given to the team with respect 11 to use of say the Eberline R02 ion chamber which I think was one of 12! the instruments used. 13 14 GOOD: - Yes, they were using that. 15i 16l l ESSIG: - Were there any, first of all have you ever, are you aware 17 that an ion chamber, such as the R02 with a Mylar window, that a 181- [ pressure against that window can cause meter deflections? I mean have 191 you ever touched the window and seen the meter deflection or have you 20{ ever particularly used one, an R02?' 21{ 22 GOOD: - I have never used an R02. 23 24l 25l l .\\ 5

46 lj ESSIG: - My question was going to be were you aware of any guidance 2j that was given to the survey teams to be cautious, the survey team in { 3! the helicopter to be cautious, of winds from the helicopter blades. I 4-All, there are a lot of air currents there which could buffet against Sj the mylar window. Do you recall hearing any precautions given to the l 6j team to keep the mylar window away from the direct blast of air or 7 were there not any given in that regard. 8 GOOD: - I don't know. g 10 CSSIG: - Okay. And lets see, you, what type of guidance was given to 11! y the survey teams with regard to when and where and how to collect air samples. 13 l 14! GOOD: - The ECS was telling them when to take air samples. 15 1Si ESSIG: - Okay. These would be the nuclear engineers, and they were g telling them when and where. Okay. Then later on you became involved in that at sometime several days down the road. 19i 20l GOOD: - Probably about a week later or something like that, t 22l ESSIG: - Okay. 23l 24f a N 25' s i

l 3 i l l 47 1; GOOD: - When it had died down. 2. 3 ESSIG: - Okay. I think that's probably about all that, all the questions 4 that I have for you. I guess there is one last item, really its sort Si of a change of pace from the questions I have been asking you. Since i 6; you went through all this and it is a rather unique experience that 7l you've gone through are there any things that are you can look back 8 that you can say well gee that's, if I had to have done things differently gj that's what I wish we would have had or just a lot of us in this will 10 continue to go on, I know by NRC people and by Met Ed people just 11. 1 oking back and seeing what lessons we learned from this whole thing. Ig Are there any things that come to mind that you would like to get on i 13l the tape in the way of things that you observed that you felt that 14 could have been done differently. Or different pieces of equipment 15 that you wish you had at the time. 16) GOOD: 77 - Oh yea, it seemed like we had just gone through a refueling yg and our instruments and also a lot of them, you know, were needed to be fixed or repaired so we short on instruments, especially like g 20f teletectors and instruments were a big problem. I 21! ESSIG: - Do you know how many teletectors were on hand? 22l 1 231 l GOOD: - No. 24! 25 d3 i t i f

[ I-I 48 1.i ESSIG: - Do you recall how many you were able to round up from other i 2; contacts you made with other licensees? l 3 4 GOOD: - We got about 5 from Eberline and some from other plants, but I 5 d n't know how many. 61 7 ESSIG: - Ba, I see. ny other recommendations that you would make in 8 addition to perhaps having more instruments on nand or being able to g know where to get some in a hurry? Any other recommendations come to' "I"d2 10 11! Iy Good - Well 13y Essig - I am just asking you for, you know, you're opinion if you have ne, if y u d n't have one thats fine too but it's a unique opportunity 15 we have here to be able to say well this is what I wish we would have y had, or done differently, or it doesn't even have to be a piece of equipment that you had. It may be a different way of doing any particular 19:. procedure, or something didn't work out-as well as you thought it would with regard to the procedure, let's say. Anything like that. 20l l 21l GOOD: - Well obviously the procedures are going to have to be changed, 22 the whole emergency procedure, you know, now that we know some real 23l numbers, things like that, you know, I am sure the whole emergency 24 procedure is going to have to be changed. 25l 0} g@ t i L_

f i i 49 i !lj ESSIG: - In terms of predictive capability, offsite and the source 2l term in particular or? 31 i 4f - Yea and plus well like evacuation plans and things like that, GOOD: 5 d wn at the local level like, you know, okay as far as like our drills 6l' and things like that, and we contacted Civil Defense, you know, they 7 knew we were having a drill, but as far as actually evacuating people 8 and things like that, you know, I don't think you could do that in a drill. g 10 ESSIG: - Actually evacuate? g 12. GOOD: - Actually evacuate people for a drill, I don't think you can do g that. j 15i ,6{ ESSIG: - Right, right, I think I would agree with that statement. 1 i 17! GOOD: - But as far as like evacuation plans and things like that those 18t will probably have to be changed too since you read in the newspapers 19! that the Middletown Chief of, I don't know, Police or whoever it is, 21!' says that he couldn't have evacuated Middletown. 22 RESNER: - At this time let's break the tape to change the... I just 23 want to inform this interview is terminated and thank Miss Good for N 24l l her time after looking long hard hours and... b 25i h, 4 i ~ i

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