ML19305A523
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| Issue date: | 05/03/1979 |
| From: | Hornbeck R METROPOLITAN EDISON CO. |
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a UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION q
In the Matter of:
21 IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW Ji of I
Robert E. Hornbeck I
Health Physics Shift Supervisor 6-7l 8
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The following is an interview of Mr. Robert E. Hornbeck.
Mr. Hornbeck is employed with the Nuclear Support Services at the Three 3
Mile Island site.
Mr. Hornbeck is a health physics shift supervisor.
4 The present time is 8:59 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
The date is 5
May 4, 1979.
The location of this interview is Trailer 203 which is 61 located just south of the -south gate to the Three Mile Island facility.
7 Individuals present for this interview are Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas.
8 Mr. Yuhas is a radiation specialist with Region I, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory i
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Commission.
The moderator for this interview is Mark E. Resner.
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10 an investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor, U.S. Nuclear 11!
Regulatory Commission.
Prior to taping this interview Mr. Hornbeck was 12 provided with a two page document advising him of the purpose, scope 13 and authority to conduct this interview.
This document also advised 14 Mr. Hornbeck of his right to a representative if he desired to have 15j one.
The second page of this document has three questions which Mr.
16I Hornbeck has answered and I will briefly state these questions for the 17 record.
"(1) Do you understand the abova?" Mr. Hornbeck has checked 181 "yes" indicating that he does.
Is that correct, Mr. Hornbeck?
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Yes.
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"(2) Do we have your permission to tape this interview?"
23j Mr. Hornbeck has check "yes", indicating that we have his permission.
I 24i Is that correct?
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Yes.
2-3 RESNER:
"(3) Do you want a copy of this tape?"
Mr. Hornbeck has 4k j
indicated that he does.
Is that correct, Mr. Hornbeck.
5 Gl HORNBECK:.Yes.
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RESNER:
Okay, you will receive a copy of this tape.
Mr. Hornbeck has 9f also signed and dated the bottom of this document on the second page i
10' indicating that he understands the entire document.
At this time I 11, would like to ask Mr. Hornbeck if he'll give us a brief synopsis of his i
12' experiences in the nuclear field.
13 14 HORNBECK:
I started in the nuclear field in 1976.
My first plant or 15l job experience was at Calvert' Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant, Lusby, Maryland.
161 From there I worked at several various plants after that up until the 17 present time.
I worked at Oyster Creek Nuclear Power Plant, Yankee 18i Atomic and four times here at Three Mile Island.
19j 20 YUHAS:
Mr. Hornbeck are you a high sch'ool graduate?
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Yes.
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Did you take a college preparatory course in high school?
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Yes.
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Have you attended any formal health physics training?
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Yes.
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Where was that?
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Central Florida.
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Are you a graduate of the program?
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14j 15i HORNBECK:
Yes.
16i 17 YUHAS:
What year did you graduate from Central Florida?
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December of 1977.
20i 21 YUHAS:
If I'm correct, that's a two year degree in radiation health 22 physics?
Is that the title?
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Right.
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The reason for asking you here tonight is to primarily get some 4
basic information to define your company's, Nuclear Support Services, 3
involvement.
How you were contacted, how many people were supplied, 6'
roughly their qualifications and familiarity with the TMI site, and I
then we'd like you to give us a few statements as to how they were 8
used.
After you give us that I'll go back and try to get some more 9
specific information from you.
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NSS's affiliation with Three Mile Island, we've had to l
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We've had to-past three. I believe 13 it was from --our first was 1977, March of '77.
We've been here for 14 three refueling outages since then.
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the accident did happen and most of the people were home.
We'd left-16i three days previous to the accident at the end of the spring refueling 17 outage on Unit 1.
Most people called back were people that were here 18l at that time.
I believe, let's see, we were contacted at 9:00 the 19f night of the 28th and were told that we needed approximately 13-15 20l people for stafiing here for emergency conditions.
Most people were i
21l notified by. phone and got here respectively when they could.
And I 22 think the first night we had around five people.
Most people started 23 coming in the day of the 29th.
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most of the people at that time were used for off site radiation moni-3 toring teams.
As far as the experience of the people, most of them had I
been here before. The majority of them were Army trained in the nuclear 5
program in the Army.
I had people that have experience through college.
61 I'd say the majority of our people were from the military end of the 7
nuclear field.
We have had people Mre that were here previously.
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I'd say within the first two days we had 15 people here but a few of 9f them were sent, I'd say after three days, were sent over to -- Oh, some 10 of us were sent to Unit 1, some were sent to Unit 2.
I, myself, was lli sent to Unit 2 for one night then I was transferred over to Unit 1.
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Do you know who contacted your company to request support?
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If I'm not mistaken it was either Tom Mulleavy or Dick 16i Dubiel.
17 18l YUHAS:
And that was by a phone call to whom?
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There was a phone call to our office in Woodbridge, Virginia.
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And then your office dispatched the individuals?
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When your people reported, did they report to the observation 4'
center?
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Yes.
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And who were they directed to report to?
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They were directed to report to either Joe Quick or Bob 11l Hess, which is the President and Vice President of our company.
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Then both Mr. Quick and Mr. Hess had come as a result of the 14 initial phone call themselves?
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Right.
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Where did Mr. Quick or Mr. Hess establish their operation out 19f of?
20l 21 HORNBECK:
It was out of, at the present time it was right out of the 22 observation center itself.
That's where we were reporting out of and 23 given our assignments.
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Did Mr. Quick or Mr. Hess assign people directly to teams or 2
did they just say see Pete Velez or see some other foreman for team 3
assignment?
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Well, there was other foremen from the plant.
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foremen at that were over here on site in Unit 2 control room.
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as_ assignments, it usually came from Bob Hess.
8 9f YUHAS:
For the record I understand that.NSS is putting together a list 10
-of those. individuals, the 15 people.
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Right. We have a list now, I just don't have it with me.
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assignments the people had?
In other words were they on environmental 18L team Bravo or environmental team Alpha?
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No, I don't believe it has that.
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As far 22f as team assignments, that would be hard to say because so many people 23 24 25!
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were shuffled from different +.eam to different team. You weren't on the 2i' same one.
Myself, I was on + ree different teams in three different 3
days.
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So that would be very difficult, showing each individual and 0
then you'd have to find out within the 24-hour period which team he was 7
assigned to.
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Right.
10 11l YUHAS:
Had your people been involved in any off site monitoring at TMI 12 before?
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No.
None whatsoever.
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Have your people been trained in the use of the Sam-2 instrument?
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Oh, that's questionable.
I know a few have, people that 19l were in the military and myself, but I couldn't really answer for 20l everyone, if everyone was.
I know at the time the Sam-2 wasn't even 21 being used.
They had the portable units in each of the monitoring 22 teams' vans but I know they were having problems with ac/dc converters
'23 and it was a lot of confusion.
So, most of them were taken and they 24 were sent directly to, I believe, it was B&W R&RC analysis labs for 25 analysis.
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So after the night of the 29th your own involvement indicates 2'
that no one was making an effort to count the charcoal cartridges with 3
Sam-2 instruments.
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No, they weren't.
The biggest problem was, I remember 6
myself, is that the Sam-2 units emergency kits, there was no operating 7
instructions at all, in any of the kits.
As as far as knowing that the 8
machines were in calibration or up to date, I wouldn't have relied on 9
it anyway.
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Did you have discussions with the first five NSS techs that i
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where I was for my whole first night there, 13-14 hours, just on site 18 monitoring.
19l 20 YUHAS:
That would have been from 6:00 p.m. until 7:00 or 8:00 a.m. on 21 the 30th, right?
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Right.
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Okay.
During that period of time do you remember what team you 5
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That was team... at the present time that was team Echo.
i 5-6l YUHAC: And team Echo comprised of yourself and who else?
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Myself only.
9 10 YUHAS; And your specific assignment was to do what?
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Was to go the the various points around the inner perimeter, 13 GE points, take various readings, periodically take air samples.
I was 14 controlled mainly through ECS.
They'd designate certain areas for me 15i to go to, take dose rate readings, draw an air sample, stand by and 16j mainly it just a continuous perimeter check of all the different areas.
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They were logged in via radio communication or you yourself 20!
logged them?
21l 22 HORNBECK:
No, I myself logged them in.
Just on note paper we logged 23 in at each station what the dose was, window open/ window closed, then 24 they were relayed on after each round to ECS which I assume was also l
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Do you know what became of those log books?
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I sure don't.
I couldn't really tell you.
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closed readings?
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E-520.
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Do you know was it one of your instruments or one of the licensee's 11(
instrumend?
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It was one of the licensee's instruments.
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Do you know what type of tube it had in it?
16i 17 HORN 8ECK:
I believe it was a 177, if I'm not mistaken.
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HP-1778?
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Right.
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Can you briefly describe the findings of that evening in terms of the doses that you were measuring?
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Well, most of the doses were comparativel less than 1 mR 5
except at GE-7, which I remember at certain intervals I was told to go 6l to this one station and sit there and wait until further notice.
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know the levels went up a couple of times to 20, 25 mR these times for 0
short periods.
And I'd also drawn air samples from that area, too.
9 But as far as results, they were sent off and I never received any word 10I on what the results were.
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Out of curiosity, did you take any readings on the cartridges 13 after you collected the samples?
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No, I had nothing but the E-520.
16l 17 YUHAS: What volume were you collecting in the sample?
18i 19 HORNBECK:
Volumes, if I'm not mistaken, would be around 5 to 6 scfm.
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For how long?
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Usually for 10 to 15 minutes.
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Did you collect particulate filter in addition to the charcoal?
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Right.
Particulate and charcoal.
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The times that'you were asked to go to GE-7 and wait, was there 6!
an explanation given of an impending release? Did they specifically 7
tell you to go there because they expected to have a release?
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No, I was not told of any releases.
I was just under my 10 assumption that after a few travels around, that there was nothing 11l there then all of a sudden when I do go back I'd have an increase in i
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So it'd only be under my assumption.
I was never told of 13 releases.
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But you were told to go to that position and wait?
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Do you have any idea of the approximate times'that you were 21.
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least 5:00.
Between that time interval.
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After you got off about somewhere 7:00 or 8:00 in the 6i morning on the 30th, which would have been Friday, what time did you 7
return to work?
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I returned to work at 6:00 that afternoon.
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Okay.
And where were you assigned that evening?
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That evening I was assigned to a fox trot team.
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And what was the responsibility of the fox trot team?
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And the as-18j signment that night was just to monitor different areas.
We were 19 called from ECS and told to go to various locations and take readings.
20l There really was no readings taken.
I think all through the night I 21, took two readings.
The rest of the time I sat in Goldsboro's downtown 22 square for most of the night, sit there and waited.
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What instrumentation did you have with you in Goldsboro?
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E-520 and air sampler.
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Did you have another Sam-2 over there?
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No.
No Sam-2.
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Yes, we did have a Sam-2.
It 12 was an emergency kit but there was no way to use it.
13 14j YUHAS:
Could you explain that?
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There was no battery connections for adaptors to use the 17!
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Do you know what kit number you had?
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I sure don't.
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Who was with you that night?
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I can't remember the man's name.
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YUHAS: Was he a Metroplitan Edison employee?
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Yes, he was.
I do remember he was in Met Ed Unit 2 quality 6
control section.
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And was that an 8-hour shift or a 12-hour shift?
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That was a 12-hour shift.
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In Goldsboro?
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Right.
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Did some of the other people in your organization tell you 17 anything of interest in terms of what their assignments were? Was it ISI mostly like you being assigned to a specific environmental survey team?
19i 20l HORNBECK:
It was mainly all environmental survey teams.
I'd say 1or-21 the first three days that's about all we did.
The fourth day, then, we 22 started slowly putting our people over here on site.
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So you wouldn't have had anybody come on site until after i
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Right.
As far as I know of, I mean I was on for the last 5
two nights.
You know, they might have had people over here but I was out in the middle of nowhere, not able for communications between the 7
other people.
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YUHAS:
That pretty much covers the period of concern.
This is getting...
I 101 this investigation is geared primarily from the night of the 28th 11' through the incident to the night of the 31st.
And it appears with 12 some degree of confidence that your people were used primarily for 13 environmental survey teams during that period.
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Right.
16i 17 YUHAS:
So you don't know of anybody that went on island?
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No, not until after the first.
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Now since then you've been involved quite extensively, primarily 23 in Unit 1.
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I wonder, based on that involvement, if you may be able to give I
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and Unit 1 and the kind of encumberances that have developed as a 6
result of this connection between the two units.
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HORNBECK: Well, as far as the radiological standpoint, I don't quite i
9 understand what.you mean on that aspect.
As far as between the two 10 units, as far as complications...
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What I'm getting at is, are your high dose rates created in the t
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Yes.
I'd say mainly from Unit. 2's water that's sent over.
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Can you be more specific? Where have the problems developed 18j and what is their magnitude?
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Okay, and this happened just two days ago in our neutralizer 21l feed tank in the 281 elevation.
They're pumping water, supposedly from 22 Unit 1 sump into the neutralizer, back out into cat guns water processing 23 unit.
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And the other night we had a level in the pump and in the lines up 2l to 10 R.
And I asked where it come from and I was told it had been 3f water sent over from Unit 2 for processing.
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airborne activity a little bit when the tank was pumped dry because it 5
did vent to the atmosphere. And really as far as the radiological Si hazards and sample lines from Unit 2 from the primary sampling caused 7
quite a bit of problems over here.
As far as nuc sample room, I feel 8
it's completely gone now.
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the draft air would be about the two biggest problems encountered from 10' Unit 2 over here.
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You mentioned the sample lines.
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Yes.
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Could you describe those areas?
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Okay.
In the new fuel receipt area on the 305 elevation, 20-sample lines cross through this area.
And there's workers working in 21 there all the time, it's a main passageway.
Well, rea'lly the only 22 passageway to get through to get to any of the job areas and they have 23 to pass directly under these lines.
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For clarification, are those numbers with the temporary shielding 6i that was installed?
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Yes, these numbers are with the shielding.
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For the record early in, approximately the night of the 30th or 1 11 the 31st, Metropolitan Edison directed scaffolding and placed a signi-l 12{
ficant number of temporary shield, primarily lead blankets, in order to 13 reduce the whole body dose rates from greater than 1 R/hr to less than 14!
1 R/hr for those individuals who required access to that part of the i
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At times the dose rates, due to the unshielded 16}
sample lines, were very high, greater than 10 R.
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Are there other areas 18r from those sample lines in the Unit 2 aux building that created problems 191 for you? Other than that main passageway?
I'm thinking primarily of 20j the hot machihe shop.
What has it done to thu hot machine shop?
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the hot machine shop under the sample line range from 100-200 mR/hr.
4 Which is now, it hasn't been used at all.
That whole area has been 5
sort of off limits unless a job has to be done in that area.
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Are you familiar with what it read early in?
Like on the first 8
couple days that you went into the plant?
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first went in but as far as the first, I'd say from the 28th on up til 12 after the 31st, I was not familiar with it.
I wasn't over here then.
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Based on the number of trips to TMI, do you have a fairly good 15:
familiarity with the Unit 1 sample system?
16l 17f HORNBECK:
Fairly good.
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What impact is this going to have on operation on Unit I?
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As far as that, I really couldn't say. It would quite a bit, t
221 because all the Unit 1, mainly primary samples, are taken in the nuclear 23, sample room also.
So you're still going to have to go through the same 22 thing to take primary samples for Unit l's reactor and they're all done 25j in the same room.
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the Unit 2 steam generators?
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No, there's no dose rate problems.
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It's just contaminated from the previous first 9l tries at the samples.
10l 11f YUHAS:
Is operation of Unit 2's radwaste contingent upon equipment in 12I Unit I?
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Yes.
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Okay.
Specifically what equipment?
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It would be their compactible trash.
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trash is compacted in the Unit I side.
It has its own compacting area.
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Okay.
How about solidification of waste concentrates?
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No.
I have not seen any solidification done from Unit 2 in 2
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Routinely, does Unit 2 solidify their own?
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Yes.
They have been as far as I know.
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Unit 2's waste.
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He's very familiar 16i with the plant.
He's been here as many times as I have and he could 17 give you just as good a description of the unit and what goes on, and 1Sj his name is Dale Ferguson.
l 191 201 YUHAS:
Would it be possible - no, I guess it really wouldn't be 21 p ssible for you to -- on that list, I wanted the lay presentations 22l list, to indicate what survey teams the people were on.
Probably some 23 ther roster to find out, there must be a log somewhere, something i
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The reason for asking the questions 2.
is the same thing that we talked about here as to what type of instrument 3
were you using to take these readings, that kind of thing.
Because 4f there was some conjecture over the credibility of the offsite dose 5
numbers and I think it's probably reasonable to understand that when 61 people are using different meters they didn't know what probes they had 7
in them or anything else.
8 9l HORNBECK:
Right, that's true.
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Do you have any general comments about performance of your 12f people or of the licensee during this incident?
13l 14, HORNBECK:
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You know, there's been times we've been told the 16j Unit 1 is under normal conditions now.
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It's hard to get your job done that 20 way.
Everything changes'from day to day; there's no set procedures to 21 foll w in the plant. 'Well, the plant specs we're not able to follow.
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I think, it should 23 be treated right now as a plant under normal conditions because there's n major mishap in Unit 1 except for the little bit of Unit 2 problems 24j 25 r 7
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decay tank process up in the Unit 2 spent fuel pool, which is accessible 3
to the Unit 1, that seems to be about the only big problem that's going 4
to create over there.
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How about organization? Have there been many organization 7
changes within the health physics plan of the licensee since your 8
arrival?
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Right, how the health physics system is organized.
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We've had quite a 20f few people that were in the military and they're gone back, but we do 21 utilize them when we can.
But I feel that we have a very stable group 22 of people here to perform these duties and there's been no complications 23 as far as getting the job done and doing what has to be done. The only 241 I
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new systems and new procedures put into effect in Unit 1.
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two of them are assistants to us.
And I know that they're fixing to 5
start taking over Unit 1 again in the morning, and I think there's 6l going to be quite a few problems as far as manpower and staffing for 7
Unit 1.
From the type of rotational shifts that are going, you're 8
talking 3-4 technicians per shift and that's it.
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11 12; YUHAS:
Are your people then going to be shifted to Unit 2?
13 14 HORNBECK:
Yes, 7:30 in the morning is the word we were told.
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have people over there already that's been over there for about four 19l days now at the aux bui.ld.ing control.
That's so far as I know.
20l RESNER:
Excuse me, for the record " aux" is auxiliary?
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Auxiliary building.
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Thank you.
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I want to thank you for dropping by tonight and we may need to 4
talk to some of,your other people once we get the list and we may not.
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You need the list, just drop by and we'll get it for you.
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It was given to me today; eir.r.cr it's 8
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morning.
Because I've seen the list myself and it does exist.
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YUHAS:
Well, we're located in Trailer 28 so you can just drop it by at 12 your convenience, no big rush.
13 14 HORNBECK:
Okay, that's no problem.
15j 16l YUHAS:
And we really do appreciate your cooperation.
17 18j HORNBECK:
That's no problem whatsoever.
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Thank you, Mr. Hornbeck.
The time now is 9:26 p.m.
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