ML19305A521
| ML19305A521 | |
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 05/04/1979 |
| From: | Corl D METROPOLITAN EDISON CO. |
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA i
t NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION i
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IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3
of David E. Cori, Site Protection Sargeant Si l
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Trailer #203 96 NRC Investigation Site TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10!
Middletown, Pennsylvania lif May 4, 1979 121 (Date of Interview)
I 13l June 25, 1979 (Date Transcript Typec) 14!
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18f 19l 20l 21l NRC PERSONNEL:
22l Dale E. Donaldson j
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SHACKLETON:
This is an interview of Mr. David E. Cor1.
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I is taking place at 12:31 p.m., May 4,1979.
This interview is being 2
conducted in trailer #203, which is parked just south of the south 3
security gate at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant site.
4 Mr. Corl is a sargeant in site protection employed by the Metropolitan 5
Edison Company.
Present to conduct this interview from the U.S.
6 Nuclear Regulatory Commission is Mr. Dale E. Donaldson.
Mr. Donaldson 7
is a radiation specialist assigned to Region 1.
My name is Owen C.
I Shackleton.
I am an investigator assigned to Region 5.
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recording this interview on tape, I presented to Mr. Carl a two page 1
advisement document from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which 11!
l outlines the purpose and scope of this investigetion.
It identifies 12!
the authority of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to conduct 13 thid investigation and sets forth Mr. Corl's rights to refuse to be 14i i
interviewed or to refuse to give a signed statement.
It also advises 15i him that he has the right to have someone present of his choice.
On 161 page 2, the last page of this document, there are three questions and Mr. Corl answered all three of these questions in the affirmative.
18l At this time to make it a matter of record on this tape, I am going to 191 ask Mr. Carl these questions.
Mr. Cori did you understand the two-20-page document that I am referring to?
21' 22 CORL:
Yes I did.
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SHACKLETON:
1l And do we, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, have 2j your permission to tape this interview?
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CORL:
Yes.
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61 And would you like a copy of the tape?
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SHACKLETON:
All right sir, that will be provided.
And now Mr. Cor1, 10!
if you would, for the benefit of all those persons who will be using the information you are providing on this tape, just briefly please, I
give us the job information relating to your employment with the 131 Metropolitan Edison Company.
14i 15i CORL:
I am employed by Metropolitan Edison as a Site Protection 16i Sargeant at Three Mile Island.
I've been employed with them for about 171 a year and five months.
I've been assigned as a sargeant for approximately 18{
four months.
And my duties are supervising a security shift for the 19l t
security of Three Mile Island.
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Thank you.
22 23 DONALDSON:
Sgt. Cor1, what we would like to do is go back to the time 24l period of March 28 through March 30.
That's t!'e period that we're 25i l
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And if you would start by telling me when you arrived 2
on site on the 28th.
3 4j CORL:
I arrived at the north gate about ten after 7 that morning, on 5
the morning of the 28th, to report for duty at 8:00, And when I had 6
rrived the gates were closed and no one was being allowed entrance.
7 And because I know the guards, I stopped and got out of my truck and I 8
talked to the guard on duty out ther3, who is Ronald Vann, and asked gj him what was going on.
He said tt-had a radiation emergency.
And I 10l asked him if it would be all right if security went in, and he said I'd have to call in to find out because the only people they wanted on the island at that time were health physics people and operations people.
So I had called in to Sgt. Finnegal, who was on duty at the g
time, and asked him if I could get clearance for us, if we were needed, for the security department people who would be reporting for work at 15) 16:
8:00 that morning.
He said he would get back to me so I just stood by l
out at the gate until about 7:30, when he did call me and say it would 17l be all right to come in because they needed assistance on the muster 18) of the people, getting the accountabililty of everyone who was on the 19j i
island at the time.
By 7:30 about 5 of us had arrived at the gate 20j l
from the security department, and we had gotten clearance from Sgt. Finnegal 21l 22l through Ken Bryant, the shif t supervisor.
So we came on to the site and I reported to my supervisor to find out what it was he needed of 23 us.
And what we did was, we had given some kind of relief to the 24 people who had been working all night.
And I went out and I assisted 25j in gathering the muster sheets from the different muster points, i
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Who was your supervisor on the morning of the 28th?
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Mr. James Stacy.
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Then the first duty you had was to collect muster sheets?
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Right.
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In your trip in collecting various muster sheets, would 10l y u des ribe from where you picked up the muster sheets?
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Okay.
Our muster points are-- there's one at the north end of 12; the Unit 1 warehouse, which is just west of where the security building is, the processing center.
Another one is the Unit 2 turbine building.
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vehicle.
And well, at the time that I had come on the muster was just 16i I
about complete and I think I only picked up about 3 or 4 sheets.
At 17l the most I would say I had 20 names all together that I had delivered 18{
for the muster.
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Did you have occasion to go to the north auditorium?
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I picked up one muster sheet from the north auditorium 23 and took that one out.
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Approximately how many people were in the north auditorium 2
when you arrived?
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That's a hard approximate.
There were quite a few.
I would say about 60' people, 50 people.
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maybe that'll help.
Did you recognize anyone in the north auditorium',
8 or for that fact, any of the muster points, who were day shift people?
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There were people, I believe there people in the warehouse I recognized as contract workers, construction workers that... I recognized them as being day shift because all the construction workers at the time were day shift workers.
The people in the auditorium, I'm really I
not too sure about.
I know that there were a few construction workers 15j 16l there, but as far as recognizing any of them as day shift, I'm really i
not sure.
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You don't recall if there were any office workers, any of 19i the secretaries that you may know?
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No.
22 23 DONAL0 SON:
I'd like to go back to the time when you were away in 24!
clearance at the end of the site at the north gate.
When you were in 25i 855 200
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p sition, standing in that area, did you know anyone who was allowed 2{
to enter the site?
3r 4j CORL:
Yes I did.
Personnel from operations and the health physics 5
department had entered but they had all... every time one of them 6
came up they were cleared through ECS, the Emergency Control Station.
Or the shift supervisor, one of the two got clearance for them before 7
they entered.
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g What did the gate security protection officers do with office workers, other nonessential people that were not cleared for
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They were all directed to the Observation Center.
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What I'd like to do is go a little further down the line, 16i l
and could you tell me how long the clearance procedure for entering 17!
the site remained in effect, if you know?
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CORL:
The clearance procedure for entering the site? Up until a 20 couple of days ago.
I know we had to make clearance on deliveries.
I 2 11 would say up til about a week ago.
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What I am referring to is, normally the gates were closed...
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Right.
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And operations and health physics personnel were the only 4l ones allowed on.
At some time later than that, the gates were opened 5
and essentially when badging, I guess, began from the Observation 6
Center near Trailer City, access to the site was changed.
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require approval by the shift supervisor.
Do you recall when access 8
procedures changed from what would be the normal emergency method of entry, to a different approach?
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I'd have to think about that.
The badging procedure was strictly 10 for entrance to the island... We had started doing that, I would say, i
i maybe 5, 6 oays after the accident.
And that was just to give us some 12J kind of an accountability of the people who were on the island, in the I
event that accountability was needed again.
And our whole regular 14l badging system that we used before had been compromised because of 16; lost badges, badges that were taken off site which normally aren't 1
permitted off site.
So we had to come up with a new one, which we did, and we started reissuing these to the key personnel, again operations /
ISt health physics.
And there were people who, like contract companies 191 and deliveries that came in that were cleared through the ECS, that were temporarily badged for the duration of their visit to the site.
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22' 00NALOSON: What I'd like to pin down, if we can, is the date or the 23 l
approximate time when the only requirement for access to the site was 24 a visual check by the gate guard to see that an individual'had a 25l
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wave-through process.
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Okay.
I would have to say about two, maybe three weeks ago.
I 6l Yeah, I'd say about three weeks ago.
7 DONALDSON:
8 You wouldn't have any idea whether it was on the 29th, gj 30th or approximately when?
10' CORL:
No, I really couldn't give you a date.
I can't recall a date or an approximate date.
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All right, let's go back to your duties where you were 14) settling muster sheets.
And after you had fulfilled your duties in 15:
the muster, what did you do from that point on?
17l CORL: Well I had... there was a lot of confusion, and only a few 18!
of my regular day shift people had gotten on the site.
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I made a walk... I walked in 21!
through the plant to talk to a guard back at door 11 about getting 22 that guard releaved.
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Where is door ll?
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Door 11 is on the Unit 2 side.
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Unit 2.
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Did you know if there were any radiation levels in that area?
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I had passed one of our contract guards, who was stationed right outside the door to the Unit 1 health physics lab.
Now, he was stationed out there, from my understanding, this was only by word of mouth, was that his normal assignment was inside the auxiliary building, 131 but he had been told by the health physics department to move outside of the health physics area because of radiation in the auxiliary 15!
building and in the health physics area.
Other than that, I wasn't 16i approached by anyone and I hadn't seen any signs back in through there.
18l 19I DONALDSON: What would the purpose, or what is the purpose of the 20I l
guard now who is stationed at the entrance to the Unit I health physics 21!
laboratory?
22 23 CORL:
The guard... well, you mean right now or the guard back 241 then?
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No.
Whea he was told by health physics to move.
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Okay.
During outages, which is what Unit 1 was into at the 3,
4 time, we always put a guard back there to control contractor access to 5l the Unit I reactor containment.
And the purpose of that guard back there is to make sure that that person is authorized to go through by 6
his photo ID badge.
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pe ple wh entered had a badge?
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Exactly.
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...Or, to keep everybody out except those who had a specific 14!
function to perform in there?
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During an outage, the large number of construction workers that 17' we have, it's hard for us to determine who's authorized and who isn't.
181 The guard's main purpose was to make sure that each person back there 191 was authorized, not to inhibit anyone else.
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No I didn't.
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Let's go back to door 11 on the Unit 2 site.
What was the 3
purpose of this site protection officer?
5 CORL:
Door 11 is,... while Unit 2 was under construction, it's a
. ground or grade level door to what we call our vital area.
It's an 7
access point used by just about everyone in the plant to come into i
Unit 2.
And since it was so frequently used, until our new security 9'
system was installed, we committed ourselves to putting a guard back I
there to control the flow of traffic. 'Again, making sure that each 11l l
person that came in was authorized by their photo ID badge.
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What vital areas would be accessible by passing through 14!
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Another locked door?
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From that area you can get into the Unit 2 health physics lab 22!'
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From there you can get to the door to the Unit 2 reactor.
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building, you can get just about anywhere in Unit 2 by going through 4.
that door.
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How long, if you know, were guards maintained at those 6l doors?
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The guards are rotated every two hours.
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For how long, how many days?
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For how many days has that been in effect? Have we been manning i
that door?
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Yes.
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I've been here, like I said, about a year and five months and 18{
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19l 20 DONALDSON:
Then throughout the course of the accident, that would be 21 the period we're interested in -- the 28th, 29th through midnight of 22 the 30th -- there was a guard?
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You said no guards on the island.
Were any guards left at 5l the north or south gate?
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Yes, we were required to have a five-man armed response force.
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Now we're to about 10:30, 11:00 approximately, on the i
28th.
Is that the time... when you had pulled from the site, did you reenter the the site at all, for any purpose?
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him every half an hour.
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the radiation levels were too high and then we pulled that man.
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after that we had not entered the island at all till about two or 19!
i three days later, when we were... I was informed by my supervisor that we needed to have at least a roving patrol driving around, which is what we put into effect then.
We had two people in a vehicle driving 22 around, which we rotated... every 15 minutes we rotated those 23 people.
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So from the time that the site evacuation was called, did l!
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Yes, they did.
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Was there any search conducted of the facilty, either the 7
outside of the plant or in the areas that were accessible, that is, gl that were not so radioactive that you couldn't enter it, to verify g
10l that all non-essential personnel had been evacuated?
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We had, through our musters, we had accounted for every individual 12!
on the island.
And we had every individual under control and we made sure that everyone was accounted for: Non-essential people off the 15l island, or that the operations and health physics department could 16; account for the people that they had on the island.
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So by 11:00 on the morning of the 28th, all non essential 18j personnel had been evacuated from the island; both the north and south gate had been sealed, and a five man armed response force was located 20i in close proximity to the site?
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Now from that point, what access procedures were followed?
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The only people that came on the island were cleared through 3l 4f ECS or the emergency control director, and that was it.
Anyone who 5
attempted access, we called them on the radio or by telephone, and we 6i made positive identification of each person that approached the gate, 7
as to say who he was, through personal ID, driver's license, etc.
And if they weren't cleared by ECS, then they didn't go in.
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effect at that time?
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There was none.
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There was no means for accounting for individuals who had 15i 16; gone into the site?
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No.
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Did you remain in that position, in other words, stationed 20t at one of the gates then, for the rest of your tour?
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Yes, I did.
At the north gate.
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Approximately what time did you get off shift that day?
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About quarter after four that afternoon.
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And when did you return?
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Next morning at 8:00.
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To the Observation Center.
No, no, I take that back.
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Did you check in with the site security supervisor?
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Yes, I did.
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What instructions were you given at that time?
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We were having... we were basically in that same security 201 l
for the island, with the five-man response force standing by.
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-had moved two of our armed people to the south gate, where they could 22l deploy from there, and a few of the additional people other, than the 23 five-man armed response force,-were used for control of press, etc.,
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By the time you left on prior day, that is the 28th at t
2 4:15, were entries permitted to the island from the south gate?
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No.
None at all.
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6 So when you returned on the morning, then, the south gate had been opened?
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No, it hadn't.
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You just stationed someone at that gate?
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Right. We had... a statement that I made earlier, I must correct myself a little bit.
We had a person stationed at the south gate also from the beginning of the whole thing.
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Do you recall whether or not, either on the morning of the 28th or at any time after that, if a health physics monitor with an IS{
instrument was provided at the north gate?
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Yes, it was.
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You don't recall who that individual would be, do you?
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No, I don't.
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Do you know if there was one also sent to the south gate?
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I'm not sure if there was or not, if there was one down there.
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I wonder, then, if you would tell me generally what your 7
8 instructions were and what duties the security force was to accomplish at that gate? We know that you were there to essentially clear entry g
of Various individuals and we're now to the second day.
Had any form j
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by the time you returned to the site on the 29th?
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There were equipment deliveries that... we processed them 14) 15l like we did normal deliveries. We took personnel's name and the company they worked for, things like that before cleared them through 17l the ECS.
We cleared them first, then took their names and then sent l
them through. We did have accountability of people then.
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How about other individuals... Met Ed employees, survev 20;
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No.
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Did you at all pass out any kind of dosimetry, pocket l
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Yes, we did. We had -- I don't remember exactly when we started, Sj I think it was that night after I had been relieved of duty after the 6
first day, that we had started issuing... Okay, that's when we started our accountability.
It was when we started issuing the TLDs and the 7
self readers.
We took the people's names and all that when the entered g
g' and when the exited, and then we took their exposure limits from their 10 11 SHACKLETON: We'll end the interview just temporarily at this time to change the tape.
The time is now 12:59 p.m., May 4, 1979.
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15i SHACXLETON:
This is a continuation of the interview of Mr. David E.
Cor1.
The time is now 1:01 p.m., Eastern Daylight Time, May 4, 1979.
Mr. Donaldson, please continue.
19l DONALDSON:
Sgt. Cor1, when the tape ended, you had mentioned that you 20!'
recall that there was an accountability scheme implemented, based upon 21 the issuance of self-reading dosimeters.
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Yes.
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Do you recall the time and the date when that went into y
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It wasn't in effect when I left at 4:00, but it was when I came back at 8:00 in the morning.
The time time that it started, I have no 5
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Do you recall how long that system was able to be used?
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Quite a while.
It went for... We ~used that system for a week...
I maybe about two weeks we used that.
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Like 12l Operations would send down a list to say "Okay, all these people are 13 permitted access without clearance through the ECS".
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On the 28th --or, I'm sorry, excuse me -- the 29th or the 16l j
30th, did you experience any shortage of self-reading dosimeters?
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from ECS at the Observation Center.
Not ECS but, at the Observation 21 Center, and sometimes that would take maybe an hour, an hour and a 22 half, before they could get more down to us.
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Was your standard procedure then not to allow entry of an y
individual until he had a self-reader?
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Yes.
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To my knowledge, no.
No one was allowed entry.
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Was there any other equipment that you gave to individuals, or any instructions that you gave to individuals who entered the site?
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badge, and that was it.
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I go or shouldn't go?
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Did your roving guard start on the 29th or the 30th?
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I would say the 30th'.
5 6l DONALDSON:
You don't happen to recall the name... now we're back 7
on the 28th again... the name of the individual who was stationed at door 11 in Unit 2?
9 10 CORL:
At do'or 11... No, I don't.
I don't recall who that was.
I 11 know I could tell you who the guard was that was in the auxiliary building.
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At the Unit 1 HP lab door? Who was that?
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That was Jerry O'Hara...
If you want any further information 17) on him, he worked for Gregg Security but he was terminated.
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Okay.
During a radiation emergency our primary responsibility 24 it so take accountability of all personnel on the island, which we do
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I wonder if you'd just briefly describe the nature of any 6
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during an emergency.
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But we have practice drills.
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Yeah.
That was included in our initial training, when I was first hired on in the security department.
18l 19l DONALDSON:
That would have been one year and five months ago, approx-imately?
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We have annual retesting of all of our procedures that we conduct in our department, and it comes under that.
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That particular procedure is reviewed... the site protection officers?
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You hesitated.
Was that...
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if there's any improvements that could be made on it, but I just look 20 at what we did. We had accomplished what we set out to do, so I would 21, say that training was adequate.
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Being a member f the security, force, a lot of times you may overhear certain 5
things.
Have you overheard anything at all that would lead you to 6
believe that the particular event that occurred was anything other 7
than, as we're calling it, an accident, or do you believe that -- do g
you have anything to lead you to believe that it may have been the gy result of some planned action of an individual?
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Through this whole thing there have been rumors about, I guess,
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everything that happened.
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. I guess it was because I was here for a portion of the construction 141 of Unit 2, I was here when it just finishing up, kind of.
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foreman saying, you know, "to hell with specifications, just get the 19 thing in".
It kind of struck me as funny, at this point, it's peculiar, 20 because of having seen Catalytic Construction, you know, I was never 21!
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Did you happen to mention it to anyone, like Mr. Stacy or
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that... I thought about it, you know, "What if that could have been?",
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been purporting that rumor or the name of the foreman or even the name 10l l
of the valve that they were talking about?
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What I'd like to do, and if Owen doesn't have anything...
Si I'll turn the microphone over to Owen, then.
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consulted by anyone in management regarding what you were to say here?
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No, I wasn't.
13 SHACKLETON:
No one talked to you regarding this particular interview?
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No.
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I mean other than telling you the time?
18l 19l CORL: Well, I spoke to the gentleman on the phone and I had mentioned to a couple of the other sargeants that I ilad it today.
That the 21 interview was today.
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No, what I'm referring to, David, is anyone telling you 24; what to say and not to say.
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Nothing like that.
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still under unusual circumstances as the reactor is being worked on to 7
bring it to a complete safe shutdown, do you have any recommendations g
that you can make to the industry from a security standpoint, that you think would be helpful if they should ever have any similar type g
experience? Dale spoke to you regarding training, and as you said, 10 I
the training you felt worked.
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drills, how realistically they were carried out?
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Yes.
The drills were very helpful in trying to keep some organization to the confusion, the drills really helped out.
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the air now that we're experiencing, is that we have procedures to 18(
follow in the security department, that we are committed to the NRC to 191 follow.
Health Physics has their procedures which they're committed 20 to follow.
And I've seen a couple of times through this thing where 21..
we've just locked horns and, how do you decide, you know, who's procedure 22 overrides who's?
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in working with the licensees in setting up emergency planning.
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possible to think it might occur.
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like this, if you could make note of it and pass it on so that something can be done to correct it.
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and we have the problem of safety, cad I realize that there could be 10 times when they might interlock somewPat as to who has jurisdiction.
I have no further comments or questions.
Dale, I'll turn the interview back to you.
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I don't really have anything else either, Owen.
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matter of record?
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say that there might be a possibility that sometime in the future we may want to talk to you again to help us to clarify some points that 4
51 may be open yet because we haven't got exactly the same answer from everyone.
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permissible with you, to talk to you again if...
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Thank you.
All right, we'll terminate this interview.
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