ML19305A520
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| Issue date: | 05/04/1979 |
| From: | Furst H, Myers K, Pelen M METROPOLITAN EDISON CO. |
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION i
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In the Mattar of:
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IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW I
31 of Mr. Harry W. Furst, Radiation Cht...istry Technician Nuclear Mr. Karl L. Myers, Radiation Chemistry Technician Miss Margaret A. Pelen, Radiation Chemical Technician Si i
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NRC Investigation Site l
TMI Nuclear Power Plant 1 01 Middletown, Pennsylvania ll!
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(Date of Interview) 13 June 21, 1979 (0 ate Transcript Typed) 14 114, 115 15l (Tape Numcer(s))
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This is an interview of Harry W. Furst, Karl L. Myers, 2
and Miss Margaret A. Pelen.
This interview is taking place at 3:14 3
p.m. Eastern Daylight time, May 4, 1979.
The location of the interview 4l is Trailer 203, which is parked just outside the south security gate 5l at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Plant operated by Metropolitan Edison.
Present to conduct this interview from the U.S. Nuclear 6
Regulatory Commission is Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas.
Mr. Yuhas is a radiation 7
specia' list assigned to. Region I.
Also present to conduct the inter-8 view is Mr. Douglas M. Collins.
Mr. Collins is a radiation specialist g
assigned to Region II.
Also present to conduct the interview is Mr.
10 Thomas H. Essig.
Mr. Essig is the Chief, Environmental and Special Project Section assigned to Region III.
My name is Owen C. Shackleton.
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I I am an investigator assigned to Region V.
Just prior to this interview 131 being recorded on tape we presented to the three persons being interviewed 141 an advisement document consisting of two pages from the U.S. Nuclear 15;.
Regulatory Commission.
This document on the second page asked three 16,1 questions which I will repeat for the three persons being interviewed to answer orally.
The document outlines the purpose and scope of this 18{
investigation and identifies the authority by which the U.S. Nuclear
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Regulatory Commission is conducting this investigation.
The document 20 olso advises the persons being interviewed of their rights to refuse 21{
to be interviewed or to give a signed statement or a signed statement.
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It also advises the people that they have a right to have a person of 23 l
their choice present to sit in on the interview.
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purpose of the record I will ask each individual in alphabetical order 251 the three questions on page two of this document.
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SHACKLETON: Mr. Furst, do you understand the two page document to 2-which I'm discussing?
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FURST:
Yes 4;
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SHACKLETON:
Do we the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission 61 have your permission to tape this interview?
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Yes.
g 10 SHACKLETON: Would you, sir, like a copy of the tape?
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Yes.
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Alright sir, then we will provide it.
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Mr. Meyers, in response to the same questions, did you 17l understand the document that I have just describe?
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Yes.
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Do we have your permission to tape the interview?
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Yes.
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SHACKLETON: Would you also like a copy of the tape?
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No.
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Miss Pelen, do you understand the document to which I am 5
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Do we have your permission to tape this interview?
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Yes.
13 SHACKLETON: Would you like a dopy of the tape?
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No.
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At this point I would appreciate it, Mr. Furst, if you 18l I
would start off in alphabetical order and give the persons who will be 19 listening to this tape a brief resume of your training and background in the Nuclear Industry.
21 22 FURST:
I graduated from high school and I worked for the Metropolitan 23 Edison Company for 18 years at the coal plant, Crawford Station.
I 24 came down here to Three Mile Island in 1969 for 42 weeks of training 25i
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I was taken or was transferred to Saxton Experimental 2i Station several times for two weeks period for training.
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two weeks of training at Rockville Environmental Health Programs.
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Thank you very much.
Mr. Meyers would you please give us 5{
6l a brief resume of your background.
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My name is Meyers.
I graduated from high school in 1962.
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joined the Navy in 1964.
I spent eight years in the Navy nuclear g
p wer field as a Nuclear Machinest Mate and ELT.
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Navy in 1972 I went to work for Virginia Electric and Power Company as f
a Radiation Chemistry Technician.
In 1974 I came to work for Metropol-itian Edison at Three Mile Island as a Radiation Chemistry Technician.
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Thank you.
Miss Pelen, would you give us your resume, please?
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High school graduate from 1968.
I went to college at Lockhaven 19 State and Graduated in 1975 with a Health Physics Education background.
I had a lot courses in biological sciences and instructed GED programs 21, for the Marine Corp.
I was hired on Metropolitan Edison January 9, 22 1979, as a Radiation Chemical Technician.
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Thank you very much.
Now I will turn the interview over 1
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to the specialist from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to conduct their questioning.
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41 YUHAS:
I would like to go ahead and begin by havicq each of you since 5
a hr n 1 gy f when you first became awc-e of the p oblem at Unit 2.
6 How you were called in and what job assignments you took part in in the first three days.
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to the 31st, 000.
Mr. Furst.
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FURST:
First, on the morning of the 28th at approximately 6:50 I arrived in the security building of Unit 1 and in about five minutes I heard the alarm sounded and the announcement was made over the speaker 13 i
system of a radiation emergency in Unit 1 reactor building.
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reactor building, I am sorry.
We were detained there temporarily by 15i the security police and then we were allowed to go into the service 161 building and I continued on back to the health physics area in Unit 1.
171 We were then assigned to various duties to help cope with this incident.
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j One of the things we were given almost immediately was to leave the 19; area and use my own car and proceed to Harrisburg railroad yards to 20i 1
monitor and take smears of two trains.
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the things we needed and we left the area and proceded to Harrisburg.
22 We had instructions to call the yard raaster, which we did upon arrival 23 at the west end of Harrisburg.
The yard master gave us the message he 24 had received that the trains were not to be detained.
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6 lj considered cleared and he had released the trains prior to our arrival.
2 Now from there we proceded back to the Island.
We were involved in 3
different duties of the nature of checking people monitoring people, 4
also in the parking lot of checking cars and setting up security p ints.
When the background radiation level began to go up some in 5
6i t'e area health physics lab we transferred our operations to Unit 2 control room.
The levels of the radiation in the cont *ol room began 7
to cause problems there and we ~ere told to move our cperations to the 8
g' Unit 1 control room.
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_d pieces of equipment and things that we would need in the cours our jobs.
We got to Unit 1 control room and I don't remember everything we were doing.
Things were pretty hectic.
I know that subsequently we had to move our operations to the observation center. We were told to procede to the substation area and we were monitoring vehicles and personnel that were leavi'ig the site.
We spent, on the day of March 29, the whole day at this 15!
area.
I think, the third day, we spent tnere also and we workec 16i fairly late into the evenings.
That's about all I have to say on that 171 now.
ISL 19f 20 Did either, Miss Pelen or Mr Myer, did you work with Mr. Furst YUHAS:
during this period?
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Miss Pelen did.
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with him most of that time?
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As Mr. Furst said we did have to go to monitor the trains. We S
got into Harrisburg roughly about eight o'clockish and we came back to the Island by quarter after 9.
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were being sent from Unit 2 to control room because of airborne activity over to Unit I control room.
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to either the observation center or to the 500 KV station, as he had 10 stated.
Now myself and radiation t chnician, Lorraine Esby, monitored 11 all of the men that were still in the north auditorium because the 12!
airborne in that particular area had gotton high.
We were picking up radiation levels through the hallway and turbine buildings by the monitors that we had when we were leaving from Unit 2 control to 15i Unit 1.
By the time we finally gat all of the personnel that were in 16i i
the north auditorium monitored and safe to go out the airborne in that 17l l
particular area was increasing so high we could hardly monitor anybody.
18t 19 The only personnel that were left on the Island itself were the control 201 people and someone who took care of the phone calls coming in through 21{
the switch board.
Everybody else then was sent over to the 500 KV j
station whether they had.been di ectly on the Island or not.
They 23 were sent over there to have both themselves and their cars checked 24 out completely before they were allowed to leave.
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There was really no further word as to who would report 2
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the next day or really anything.
Everybody on our shift, of the three of us that are here, everyone put in at least 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> that day at 4{
w rk and it would be stated that we were to work 12 from there on out, 5
through at least 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> from there on out until we heard differently.
6 Now I stayed at the 500 KV station for at least a week and a half 7
monitoring people and cars.
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Mr. Meyers, did you work with Miss Pelen or Mr. Furst during 0
those first three days?
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No, other than in passing for a few minutes, maybe, I wasn't i
associated with them during the first couple of days.
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In that case I think we will go over some saecific questions 161 since the two of you worked together before we go through your involvement.
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YUHAS:
Going back you said, Mr. Furst, that your were already through 191 the north gate and at the process center when you heard the site 20 radition emergency alarm go off.
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That's correct.
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Then you went to the ECS which was Unit I chemical and HP 2j area, correct?
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FURST:
That's correct.
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61 Can you describe what was going on there? Who w'as in control and what directions were being given?
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I believe Mr. Tom Mulleavy was in charge at that time.
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instructions that were being given out to different people was pretty much organized, I thought.
As much as could be expected at that time.
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15l YUHAS:
Miss Pelen, why were you directed to go Harrisburg yard? What information had been given to you for the need to survey this train?
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We had been f.ald that there was a possible air leakage and a 18l l
train had been going by at that pa-ticular time and they thought there 19!
was a possibility it may havt gotten some type of contamination upon the train.
So at that we were told to go down and they would be 21 holding the trains in Harrisburg so that we could go down and monitor 22 them.
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Mr. Furst, what instrumentation did you take to the Harrisburg l
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We had an E-520 monitor and we also took several hundreds 4
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smear papers and envelops with us.
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Mr. Furst, do you remember the name of the yard master that 7
'you dealt with?
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No I don't.
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Miss Pelen, could you tell us did he give you a rational of I
why he released the train?
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He told us that he had been instructed to leave the trains go 15i that they were clear.
That they had found no traces of airborne 4
contamination upon the banks were the train would have been going by.
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YUHAS:
Did he tell you the source of this information?
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20 PELEN:
No, he didn't inform me of that.
21 22 YUHAS:
Mr. Furst did you get any information relative to the where he got this information?
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No, Miss Pelen was the one that talked him on the phone.
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Did you communicate back to Metropoliton Edison the fact that 3
4 the yard master had gone ahead and decided that the trains did not 5
need to be surveyed?
6 PELEN: When we had been told by the yard master that they had sent them back I ask him if was there any way we could stop the train at 8
another station and he informed us that it was going to New York that g
they were already behind schedule and they couldn't delay them and 0
they were, at this particular time when we had placed the call, already through the yards and on their way up through and there would be no possible way we could stop them at that time.
So, therefore, we figured since they had gotton the ok somehow there was no sense delaying things that we might as well procede back to the Island.
151 16i YUHAS:
When you returned to the Island did you inform Mr. Mulleavy or Mr. Debiel of the yard master decision?
19l FURST:
Yes, we did.
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Who did you inform and what was his response?
22 23 FURST:
I believe it was Mr. Mulleavy.
They verified that someone had 24 okayed the relaaca of the trains.
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1 When you say they verified, you mean Mulleavy called the yard master? Or did Mulleavy tell the yard master that there was know need 2
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Apparently Mr. Mulleavy had given or Mr. Dubiel had given the 5
yard master the ok and this was what they' told us when we came back, 6l that it was alright.
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When you returned you apparently went to the Unit 2 control.
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No, that that was not correct they had not moved the ECS.
At that time it was still in the health physics area of Unit 1.
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Miss Pelen when did and what was the basis for moving the ECS 15i j
from the Unit 1 Health Physics area to the Unit 2 control room and 16!
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I don't know the exact details of that.
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is that we were told to report to the Unit 2 control room because we 20!
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that we went to Unit 2.,It was roughly between, like I said, 9:30 and 22 a quarter to 10.
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Could either of you describe the relative condition in the 1!
2 Unit 2 control when you arrived? By describe, I mean the number of 3
people, the decree of organization, the general audible level in the 4
control when you arrive in the Unit 2 control room?
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PELEN: When I first walked in I thought it was extremely organized.
61 We had a table sitting there with as many instruments as we could 7
muster of E-520, R-14 etc. for checking the levels.
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going checking the levels.
We had our foreman standing telling people g
what to do where to go to check th'ings out. We had different people 10 of our particular department down doing researching in different I
levels.
We had all the operators going and writing things on charts.
They were very very organized and it seemed like everybody was very busy.
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There isn't much I could add to that. When we moved from the 18{
l health physics lab Unit I we gathered all the instruments and equipment 19l we t,1ought we would need and we proceded up there.
One of the reason, 20 I was told, that it was moved to there was the close proximity of the 21 3
problem and they though it would be a better in place in which to 22 control things.
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YUHAS: Which foreman, Miss Pelen, did you say was in charge of setting
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of the heath physics people in the Unit 2 control room?
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I really couldn't tell you.
I remember Mr. Velez being there 4
5 and telling a few people where to'go to do different jobs and stuff Si and Mr. Mulleavy was coordinating with Mr. Dubiel.
As far between the operators and heath physics department.
There wasn't really one set' person in charge:
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gj sort of coalition.
10 YUHAS:
You mentioned that the operators were logging something.
Was this isoplet environmental data? What type of material was being logged or recorded on charts?
141 15l PELEN:
As far as the logging they had a chart that had the location 1
16l of the Island itself and on that chart they were putting numbers and r
things as far as levels.
I don't know from where they were getting the information; probably our teams that we sent out.
I don't know.
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They just kept adding on to that paper.
21, YUHAS:
You mentioned that your people were out surveying lower levels.
Could you be a little more specific on that?
Lower levels of what?
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We had some of the radiological chemical technicians suiting 2
up to go into the auxiliary building to find out what was there, what 3
the levels ware, and how much; if there was water possibly on the i
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Actually they were all over the entire area to see if they 5
could a general idea of exactly where the highest readings were and 6
actually what our job is.
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At that time was the Unit 2 control room on respiratory protec-8 tive devices?
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Not at that time.
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About how long were you there and what was the decision for
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141 15i PELEN: We were there for approximately a half an hour after Mr. Furst i
and myself had gotten there and at that time there was one of the technicians, I don't remember who it was, that was running an air i
sampler.
And the levels indicated higher than what they should have 19l been.
We called this to one of the foreman's attention that the 20l L
airborne was starting to increase in the control room.
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make sure that everything was secured and they had said that they went 22l on their own closed systems as far as their ventilation.
But they had 23 problem with shutting of the vents.
I guess it kept increasing.
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like foreman definitely wanted something done about it.
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Mr. Dubiel went over to somebody and said we've got to do something 4j about this one vent.
So they finally managed to get it closed.
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At that point did someone make an announcement for unnecessary Si 7
personnel to Teave the Unit 2 control and go to Unit I? What precipitated your departure from the Unit 2 control room?
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I believe it was Mr. Dubiel had said to Mr. Mulleavy to take 101 all technicians that we could move from this point and relocate over into Unit I control room.
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I assumed then that you did relocate to the Unit I control room. What were the conditions in Unit 1 control room at that time?
15i 16i PELEN:
As far as the condition, when I first walked in it was just 17) like a normal day: it didn't seem any different.
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of people gathered around, but all I did, myself, was drop off some of my instrumentation and then I was sent directly out to the north auditorium to monitor people to send them out of the building.
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22f YUHAS:
Thank you.
We'll cut the tape at this time.
The time is now 23 3:43 p.m., EDT, May 4, 1979.
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This is a continuation of the interview of Mr. Harry W. Furst, gl Mr. Karl' L. Myers, and Miss Margaret A. Pelen.
The time is 3:46 p.m., EDT, May 4, 1979.
Please continue.
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YUHA5: Mr. Furst, did you go to the 500 KV or the Observation Center with 5
Miss Pelen about the same time from TMI control?
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Yes, as far as I can remember, we did.
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YUHAS: When you got to the Observation Center, can you describe the environ-0 ment there... who was in control; who was making assignments.
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I was sent directly to the 500 KV Station, myself and Lorraine Espy, when we finished monitoring all the personnel, got into a truck, Metropolitan-Edison truck, I don't remember who the fellow was that was 15j l
driving, and he took us directly to the 500 KV Station where almost all of 16j our technicians were setting up lines of tons and tons of people to be rechecked, and all of the personnel that had gone through the auditoriun 18[
also went through the 500 KV Station again for monitoring.
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Mr. Furst, did you go directly to the 500 KV?
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As near as I can remember, first I went to the KV Station - 500 KV.
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Can you folks describe the type of instrumentation you had available 1.
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4 Most of the equipment we used to monitor with was the RM14 pancake 5
pr be pancake kind - and we also had smear-type equipment available there use.
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Did you find any individuals that were contaiminated and, if so, 8
can you describe roughly the number of personnel that were contaminated and g
the extent or location of contamination on their bodies or equipment?
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As far as, at the 500 KV Station, most of the people there did not have any contamination.
The people that came out of the auditorium did not have any contamination.
Some of the operators that had been in the auxiliary building had picked up contamination which was' strictly airborne which we found later had decayed off in a couple of hours.
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Did you keep records of these individuals that were contaminated?
18l 01d you record their name and the extent and the fact that it was just on 19 their double knit clothes or it was in their hair or something like that?
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22 contamination was such that it dissipated as Miss Pelen said in a matter of 23 30 minutes or so, and the majority of it was on clothing of different 24 types.
Polyesters and knits were really a serious thing.
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You continued to stay at the 500 KV both of you then until late in 1.
2 the evening of the 28th, is that correct?
3 FURST:
I would say that is correct.
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That is correct.
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Later in that day, did you experience any problems with emissions 8
from the plant causing increases in background and making it more difficult g
f r you to survey personnel?
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That day, no.
The only time that we had noticed any kind of increase was about the third day when it had started to -- the wind came in our direction and for some reason they had indicated over the radio at that time that there had been another release and when the wind started to shift 15 our direction all of our monitoring devices went off-scale and we couldn't record anything any longer... we couldn't check people out... but then when the wind shifted in the other direction, we were okay again - and on l
days when it was rainy throughout that week, it did the exact same thing.
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On the 29th, did you work about 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br />, from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 2 11 p.m. that day?
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That is correct.
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That's correct.
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Did you work about the same hours on the 30th?
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Correct.
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That's correct.
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Did you work about the.m e hours on the 30th?
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Correct.
12 FAUST:
That's correct.
13 141 YUHAS: On the 29th or 30th, did you survey any individuals that had signi-ficant contamination, say of the skin... in other words either of the hair or the actual skin of the body?
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Can either of you give us the names of those two individuals?
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The one foreman's name was Mr. Pete Velez, and another foreman's 3
4 name was Mr. Ed Hauser, and there was another person that had contamination 5
n his body and I can't remember... Earl Showalter... he also had some n, but his was of a very lesser nature than the other two people.
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Did either of you two personsally survey either. Mr. Showalter, Mr.
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Yes, I did.
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YUHAS: Who did you survey?
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I surveyed Mr. Pete Velez and Mr. Ed Hauser.
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Can you describe the instruments you used, the magnitude of the 17 contamination, its location and extent?
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I used an RM14 probe; in both cases it went off-scale.
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What is the maximum scale reading in counts per minute with an RM 22 14, using an HP 210 probe?
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Does the scale face read from 0 to 500 counts per minute on the 1;
RM14?
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Yeah, I guess it does..
500.
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Is the scale multiplier on the RM14 times one, times ten and times 6
a hundred?
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Yes.
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Then you pegged it on... excuse me.
12 YUHAS: Miss Pelen, when you say it went off-scale, that means you had the scale multiplier on a hundred and it went full-scale?
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Correct.
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Did you then survey him with a different instrument?
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Yes we did... we checked him with an E520 and the highest reading 20 that we found then was... Mr. Pete Velez had a 20 mR reading on his wrist 21 which was the hattest part of his body.
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Do you know that these individuals had undergone decontamination 24 1
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Yes they had, they had shcwered.
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open window reading, or closed window reading, or the sum of both... would 4
y u describe the significance of that 20 millirad, what distance it was 5
taken at, over what extent of the man's wrist was it measured?
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The E520 was closed... it was just a Beta reading, and it was just 8
about a direct contact reading on his wrist.
g 10 YUHAS: The E520, do you know the probe that you were using? Was it an HP 177 shielded steel with a rotating shield on it?
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That is correct.
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Now you said it was closed, meaning the shield was over the two and 16 it read 20 millirad..
20 millirem per hour of contact with the skin.
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Correct.
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Over what area of skin did it read 20 millirem... in other words, l
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... about what was the extent of the contamination on the wrist... was.it 23 tiny point sores, or was it, say a 5 centimeter radius area type thing?
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It was approximately about a 3-inch area on the bad underside of 1:
2 his... underneath his little finger, on his left arm.
3' YUHAS:
4 Did you take an open window reading on that area... an unshielded reading?
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No, I don't believe so, but that I couldn't tell... I don't believe 7
so.
9 YUHAS:
Do you feel that there... would have been a need to take an open 0
window reading?
12 PELEN:
Well, we just felt right there at the time that we knew he was definitely " crapped" up and he was going back in and he had to go back in 141 and shower anyway, so he did know he was contaminated, so it would have been really a waste of time in a sense.
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Were there other areas of Mr. Velez's body or Mr. Hauser's body 18l I
that were contaminated other than Mr. Velez's left wrist?
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Not at that high of levels, they had some contamination in their 21.
hair.
Mr. Hauser had some contamination on his, I bleieve, the front of 22 his hair, but as far as the details of that, I don't know, we just realized 23 that they were " crapped" up, and as I said, we sont them back.
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Did you log any of the survey findings for Mr. Hauser, Mr. Velez or 2
Mr. Showalter?
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No.
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Did you advise anyone other than those individuals involved of the 6
extent of the contamination?
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Yes we did.
g 10 YUHAS: Who did you advise?
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We advised the people themselves.
Those two people - individuals -
were formen.
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Did you discuss the need of these individuals to supply urine analysis or to get a whole body count in an expeditious manner?
18' FURST:
At this time I don't believe any of these facilities were available 19 and at the place we were, at the sub-station, we did not have equipment or 20 facilities to do that.
21 22 YUHAS:
Did you have a single-channel analyzer available or did you use 23 other empirical techniques to take a measurement on these individuals' 24 thyroid?
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for that type of thing.
3 4l YUHAS:
Did you see any of these three individuals after they had made additional decontamination efforts?
5 Si PELEN:
Yes. They came back to the station occasionally for rechecks -
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next couple of weeks had to come back over there to be checked again.
g 10 YUHAS:
Did either of you survey them when they came back for additional checks?
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Yes, I did again.
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Do you know what date and approximate time that was?
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' levels, it was very low.
They had gotten most of it off their body except 19l F-Velez's wrist was still hot but it wasn't reading what it had been when 20
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that we did was we had a system worked out with the Security with the 3
trucks - that any vehicles that went on or off the island - they would tell 4
us what was coming, we wrote the vehicle down to make sure that it did come 5
to us, that we did check that vehicle, but that was it, no personnel.
6 YUHAS:
Were there any instances where trucks did not show up?
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truck show up... We contacted Security and they informed us of the reason the truck was going to the Observation Center and back directly on the Island again, and that it would be... it did come back then for checking.
13 YUHAS:
The time is 5 o' clock... I understand Miss Pelen you have a com-I mitment? Do you have a problem with leaving now? Okay, fine.
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know, I don't want to just keep running you over if you have someplace to get to.
Okay, at this time I would like to switch to Mr. Myers and have Mr. Myers give a chronology unless there is some other questions related to Mr. Furst's and Miss Pelen's involvement.
19 20 COLLINS:
Who was the foreman or supervisor or shift leader or whatever at 21.
the 500 KV Station when you folks were surveying those first three days...
22 was thert such an individual?
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At this time at the sub-station there were no personnel there that 2
I can recall other than the Security Gurads and Miss Pelen and myself and 3
Miss Espy.
4 COLLINS: When you were surveying people, Miss Pelen, at the auditorium, 5
wh passed the information to you to move over to the 500 KV Station, do 6
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To the best of my recollection, it was Mr. Fred Huwe.
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So Mr. Huwe came down and told you... Mr. Jurst, were you down there also surveying pe.ople?
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At the auditorium?
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That's correct.
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Thank you.
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Did I understand correctly that I believe earlier in the interview 3
4 where you indicated that you may have had some involvement with Mr. Furst 5
and Miss Pelen in the off-site survey; did you mean that that was limited to the surveys at th'e 500 KV sub-station or were you on... or did you also 6
serve on some of the off-site survey teams designated as " Bravo", " Charlie",
7 and so forth during the first three days.
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the entire time.
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I think that I was possibly on a team on the third day, but it was an on-site team... the days got a little mixed up and I'm not usre, but I l
believe I was.
I know I was on a team and it was either the third or 15' fourth day.
17 YUHAS:
Mr. Myers, if you will pick up you involvement for...
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Okay, I arrived at the HP area the first morning at about 0645.
At 20 that time, Mike Janouski and Dick Dubiel were trying to find instruments 21.
f and they were in the jprocess of taking radiation readings in the Aux 22 building and the sample area.
Dick Dubiel told me to go over to Unit 2 and 23 take some surveys to determine the radiation levels over there... they 24 explained to me that they had had a trip and they had abnormal readings. g 25 dT i
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the 305 elevation of the Aux Building.
That was probably around 7:30...
these times are real rough and any times or numbers that I would give you 5
are just estimates.
That' air sample, when I started to count it in the HP 6
area, the counts indicated that we had gross activity in the Auxiliary 7
Building, so at that time I called Dick Dubiel and also Unit 2 Control Room 8
and told them we had airborne in the Auxiliary Building and I recommended g
they evacuate the building or don the respirators, which they did. We went 10 on to figure out an airborne activity but I don't remember what the number was... I think it was 5 to the minus 8 in that area.
Then at that same time we started an airsampler in the HP area, when we counted it, ite was in the high minus 10 area, somewhere around 8, 7 or 8 to the minus 10, so at that point we donned respirators in the HP area and we started looking at surface contamination in the HP area which we dir; have some, and at that point we moved the boundary as far as contaminated boundary to the HP doors in Unit 2.
During that period of time our airborne activity continued to 1 81 come up in the HP area as indicated by the RM 14 reading, background reading increasing, and shortly thereafter we moved our control point out into the 20 hallway at the HP door, where you come into the HP area, and we maintained 21 control to the HP and Auxiliary Building from that point for approximately 22 the next 1/2 hour or so, at which point the group from Unit 1 came over and 23 they said they were moving the HP area to the Control Room, which we did.
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f the evening upwards until about 8 o' clock I was, I'm sorry, that was up 5
until about 12 o' clock at night, I was on the on-site monitoring team.
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second day I spent in the Observation Center setting up the TLD Reader and reading TLD's... that was the entire day, and the third day I was on the 7
ff-site monitoring team in the helicopter.
That concludes the first three 8
days.
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Thank you.
12I YUHAS:
Again, we are going to go back and try to pick your memory for some details.
To start off with, the air sample that was collected ont the 305 14!
15l1 elevation, where specifically was that sample collected and what mechanism 16l was used to collect the sample?
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It was an air p rticulate sample... there was no charcoal taken
... it was just the particulate filter and it was taken right there at HPR, 19t l
what is it, 219, right there in the passageway at that electrical outlet.
20 21-YUHAS:
HPR 219, I believe, is on the 328...
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I' sorry, 227, reactor building monitor.
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Did you take any dos'e rate readings while you went in to set up the 5
air samples?
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Come by.
There was other technicians with instruments.
As I remember, I took that air sampler in and set it down running... plugged in inlet it off... and then I went out to the HP area and went back approximately 3 minutes later and picked up the sample.
14 YUHAS: Was this a high volume air sampler?
16 MYERS:
I think the volume would have been in the area of 10 to the minus 17 six after three minutes... or 10 to the 6 cc's after three munutes.
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Did anyone tell you the approximate dose rates in the corrider of 20 305 at that time?
21 22 MYERS:
They weren't real significant at that time... I knew they were a 23 safe level... less than 200 mR per hour.
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levels were just coming up and I dc 't think it was too drastic at that 5
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Did ycu write down the air sample results anywhere?
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10 and to Dick Dubiel... I take that back... I called them in to the Control Room.
11 I informed both Dick Dubiel and the Control Room that the air activity was high as indicated by my count rate.
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results on a piece of paper there in the HP lab.
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to them.
16l YUHAS: What instrument did you use to calculate the air activity?
18l MYERS:
It was a Ludlum, with a 210 probe.
19-i 20 SHACKLETON:
At this time I will discontijnue the interview just momentarily to change tapes... the time is now 4:13 p.m., ED 'T, May 4,1979.
23 SHACKLETON:
This is a continuation of the interview of Mr. Harry W.
24 Furst, and Mr. Karl L. Myers.
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The time is now 2
4:16 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, May 4, 1979.
3 YUHAS:
Mr. Myers, when you relocated to the unit 2 control room from the 4,
5 temporary control point that had been established outside the door of the Unit 2 health physics area, was anyone left manning that access point to 6.
the Unit 2 auxiliary building?
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the Unit 2 control room I don't re-rber if we left anybody at the control 10 point or not. We had the contral point roped off at the doors and posted 11 with a step off pad at that point and I know later in the day that control point was not manned.
14 YUHAS:
So you established a new Unit 2 health physics operation inside the Unit 2 control.
I that correct?
16 17 MYERS:
That is correct.
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What instrumentation did you have available at this arna inside the 20 Unit 2 control room?
21 22 MYERS:
We had a small selection of survey instruments, probably a couple 23 of E520s and maybe a R02 and no teletectors I don't believe.
We also had 24 one or two Ludlands.with the HP210 probe and a couple of RN14s with the 210 25 I
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During the day who controlled access to the Unit 2 auxiliary 1.
2 building?
In other words, did Mr. Dubiel say we're are sending down this 3
guy to make an entry to do some specific job.
Or how was the control implemented. Who decided who had to go to the auxiliary building and what 4
precautions were to be taken?
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The only entry into the auxiliary building that I'm familiar with 7
was an entry by operations Greg Hiss.
Greg Hiss had to go into the auxiliary g
building to check out various conditions as far as the operation of the g
plant and the water problems I guess.
And this is the only entry that I 10 have any knowledge of at all.
And as far as I know he cleared that with Dick Dubiel.
12 13 YUHAS:
Did you accompany Mr. Hiss?
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Yes I did.
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How were you two dressed?
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We had on the normal Anti-Contamination clothing plus we had the 20 wetsuit and we wore the Scott Air Pack with high range dosimetry also.
21 22 YUHAS:
About what time did you make the entry?
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I think it was afternoon, early afternoon I believe.
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4 MYERS:
At the time we had, upon entry, the only instrument we had available 5
6 was an R02 as I remember, but we had planned to get a teletector in the HP area.
Upon entering the building for the health physics area we could not 7
find the teletector in the health physics area so we proceeded on into the 8
auxiliary building.
Upon entering the auxiliary building the R02, if it g
was an R02, went off scale-high at SR.
So at that point we exited the 10 auxiliary building and from the health physics area, which was reading roughly, a very rough number, would be probably 20 to 30 mR.
From the HP area we called I think Unit 1 health physics area and asked them to send I
over a teletector, which they did.
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the auxiliary building and made a very brief tour.
Greg Hiss, operator, 15l attempted to operate some pumps and valves from the liquid waste panel.
I don't think he was successful and we exited the area again.
18' YUHAS:
Can you describe roughly some dose rates that you measured?
20 MYERS:
It was very rough dose rates just walking through and most of them 21 were in the area of 8-10 R/ hour.
22 23 YUHAS:
When you exited the area did you find that both of you were contaminated?
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Yes, I think both of us.
At one point in the day, and I feel 2
confident that it was at the time of exiting the area, both of us were contaminated. Yes, I think it was after we got back up to the control room.
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took showers and I washed our clothes in the laundry.
6 YUHAS:
7 What type of doses did you and Mr. Hiss receive by pocket dosimeter?
8 MYERS:
It was in the area of 1R plus or minus a couple hundred.
g 10 YUHAS:
I'm going to turn the questioning over Mr. Essig since you don't have a lot of time available.
13 ESSIG:
Mr. Meyers you indicated that on Wednesday you were on the onsite monitoring team at some time during the day.
Is that correct?
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Yes.
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Which team were you on?
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At that time, which was very late in the evening, 21, probably from about 7:00 to 12:00 midnight I think there was only one 22 onsite monitoring team at that time.
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And you were on it.
Okay, how many were on the team?
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3 4l ESSIG: Were you given any instruction prior to making the survey such as 5
6 to what instruments that were preferred to be used and were these to make 1
7 open and closed window readings or just open window or closed window?
8 MYERS: Which survey are we talking about?
g 10 ESSIG:
The surveys that you might have made on the Island between 7:00 p.m. and midnight.
13 MYERS:
Yes, most of the readings we were instructed or if we called back i
141 a reading and we didn't give them both an open and closed window they asked 15 us for both the open and closed reading.
So we were given them both beta 16 gamma and gamma readings.
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19 The ECS at that time?
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That's correct the ECS.
22 23 ESSIG:
And the instrument that you were using do you recall that?
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I think it was an R02.
2 ESSIG:
You indicated that on Friday, March 30, you participated in the 3
4 team that was in the helicopter.
Were you in the. helicopter approximately S
8:00 in the morriing?
6 MYERS:
I was in the helicopter in the morning.
How early I don't remember.
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g Do you recall making a survey at approximately 8:00 right straight above the reactor containment building?
0 11 MYERS:
Yes.
13 ESSIG:
And you I believe measured a radiation level of 1.2R/ hour.
Do you recall that?
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And was that an open window?
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Yes it was as I recall.
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Again was that with an R02?
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Could you describe as best you recall then when you measured that 4
1.2R/ hour what happened after that as far as did you attempt to measure it 5
again? Were you asked to get out of the area?
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was moving at some speed so you probably moved out of it naturally, but did j
you tried to find it again?
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Upon getting that high reading of 1.2R we decreased our altitude in g
order to make sure that it was a gas reading and not a streaming reading from the reactor building.
So we dropped down towards the reactor building, Unit 2, and the reading decreased.
I don't remember exactly how far, I think it dropped down to about 600 mR.
So as we decreased our altitude the radiation levels decreased which indicated to us it was a pocket of gas up there.
Then we increased altitude again to try locate the reading but as I 15l 16l remember we had difficulty finding the exact pocket of gas that we were in I
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During that morning had you encountered any plumes of similiar 20 radiation level? That is, hundreds of mR/ hour or did you not find any that 21 were even close that?
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That was the most significant plume we located.
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So I really couldn't 2
pick out another particular reading that sticks out in my memory.
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take these readings? In other words, you said you were using an R02.
Were 6
y u seated inside the helicopter with the door open type of thing? Was the 7
wind blowing in on you at the time? Did you point the meter toward the 8
open door? Did you take a closed window reading?
9 MYERS:
10 We had the door on the passenger side of the helicopter off so there was no door on the passenger's side.
And to take the readings, which some of the readings were taken with an R02 and some were taken with an E520, to take the readings we held the instrument outside of the helicopter.
What we tried to do was locate the highest reading with the window open and then when we obtained that high reading or a higher reading we would close 16l window and attempt to get a gamma reading at that same point.
17 YUHAS:
Was this done in this instance where you had the 1200?
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Closed window?
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have to check the records and see what we called in.
4 YUHAS:
5 Did you try to readings with the Rv2 in the helicopter arid relative 6
m tion, forward motion so that there was wind blowing on the R02?
7 MYERS: Yes, normally.
Now as I say we used both instruments that day.
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think we switched over and were using almost entirely the E520.
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during all surveys we did take readings with the helicopter moving in a forward direction.
13 YUHAS:
Do you have any idea of how the R02 responds to changes in pressure and temperature?
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No, I'd be guessing if I-.
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So, just one last question.
All the readings that you transmitted 19 from the R02 then were uncorrected readings for pressure and temperature?
20 21 MYERS:
Yes that's correct.
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Do you recall who it was that was providing directions to you on 24 that Friday morning in the helicopter? Who were you in radio communication 25, g
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No, I don't remember who was in the ECS at that time.
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But was there somebody there that was telling you what direction to 3
4 go and that type of thing?
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survey.
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pilot as far as the altitude. We had the altimeter, but as far as distance g
from the Island we were relying on his judgement.
11 COLLINS:
The open and closed readings that you were transmitting back, those were uncorrected for beta, was that correct.
You were just giving them the reading as meter read it out.
15 MYERS:
That's correct. We were giving an open reading and a closed reading and normally we distinguished them as beta and beta gamma.
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Who else was with you when you said 19l l
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Not right now I don't.
I'm sure it will come to me, but right now 22 I don't recall who it was.
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3 They had come from different places.
And these teams were assigned a man 4
to take readings and a driver, and the driver was the one that used the 5
radio and drove the vehicle and the other man took the readings.
And there 6
were several cases where we were teamed up with people we didn't normally work with.
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14j MYERS:
We, as a survey team, had one man keeping s,urvey records.
He wrote down the location and all readings that we recorded.
Then also we trans-mitted these readings via phone to the ECS.
So they also recorded them and
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These survey results, were they recorded on a map or in sort of a 21l tabular format or how were they recorded?
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They were recorded in a tabular form with location from the site 24 and time, date and the particular reading.
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Yes the team.
It was the team and not the surveyors.
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5 And Mr. Furst would you say that the same would be true of when you were participating on the team?
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I would say that's correct.
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I understand that you have commitments and would like to get out of here.
Mr. Heyers, I'm going to have to talk to you again so we're going to have to reschedule another session.
But I don't want to hold you up today. Mr. Furst, I don't think there will be a need for us to talk to you again.
If there is any comment you'd like to bring forth at this time please feel free.
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The only thing I can say is that as Miss Pelen had noted before she 17 left that there was very poor control of the News Media in a thing like 18l this.
There was a need for a better constricting or whatever, of. their 19 interference.
20 21 SHACKLETON:
Gentlemen, this is also a good. time because yor are enique in 22 that you were here for this most unique experience and we're looking for 2'3 anything that we can find to we can pass on to the industry to naturally 24 make nuclear power safer.
If you have any recommen'dations that you could 3 4'h' 25
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make from you observations and experiences to the type of equipment that 2:
should be available, the amounts of equipment that should be available or 3
anything in that line, we would appreciate your recommendations.
4 MYERS:
As we found out through our. experience, you couldn't possibly carry 5
6 enough equipment, I feel, to cover such an occurance.
So I don't know, we 7
were kind of unprepared for the whole thing, but of course, I don't feel we could have been prepared for it.
I feel that Metropolitan Edison during 8
the initial days of the accident, not only Met Ed but the people here who g
handled the problem, I felt that we did a good job at that time.
I felt 10 that during the initial days we had good control for as much control as you could exert over such a situation and that if any time or control started to slip from us it was during the follow-up of the accident and not during the initial days of the accident.
15i SHAdKLETON:
Fine, thank you Mr. Myers.
Mr. Furst, anything additional 16; l
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FURST:
I don't believe I can thoroughly completely concur with Mr. Meyers 19 statement.
20 21 SHACKLETON:
Is there something you'd like to say?
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No not really.
It's just that I feel that due to the circumstances 24 that the majority of the pecple that were in charge of things here made the 25 best of it and I thought, for the most part, they did a real good job.
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Gentlemen, any further questions.
If not, we'll conclude this 2
interview at this time.
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