ML19274G129
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| Issue date: | 05/03/1979 |
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l' UNITED STATES OF AMERICA i
l NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION l
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In the Matter of:
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IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW i
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TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10i Middletown, Pennsylvania 11!
May 3.1979 121 (Date of Interview) 13';
June 20. 1979
.(Date Transcript Typec) 14,i 102 15j (Tape Numcer(s))
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22; Douglas M. Collins, Radiation Specialist 23}
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The following interview is being conducted of Mr. Robert D.
2 McCann.
Mr. McCann is a radiation protection foreman with the Metro-31 i
politan Edison Company at the Three Mile Island Site.
Present time is 4:
l 3:42 pm eastern daylight time and the date is May 3,1979.
This inter-Si j
view is being conducted in trailer #203 located just south of the south 61 entrance of the Three Mile Island Nuclear Facility.
Individuals present 7{1 for this interview are Douglas M. Collins, Mr. Collins is a radiation 8l specialist, Region II of the USNRC.
Also present, Dale.E. Donaldson.
I 9I Mr. Donaldson is a radiation specialist, Region I of the USNRC.
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101 moderator of this interview is Mark E. Resner.
I am an investigator
'1I^j with the Office of Inspector and Auditor of the USNRC.
Prior to this 12 interview being taped, Mr. McCann was given a two page document ex-
'3l plaining his rights concerning i:. formation to be obtained regarding the 14!
Three Mile Island incident.
This document apprised Mr. McCann of the 151 purpose, scope, and authority to conduct this investigation.
In the 16l second page of this document Mr. McCann had signed and dated indicating i
17f that he understood that the document and also answered three questions 13; which I will now read.
Question number one, do you understand the 19i above? Mr. McCann has indicated that he has, by checking yes.
Is that 20l correct, Mr. McCann?
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That's correct.
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Question Number 2, do we have your permission to tape your interview? Mr. McCann has indicated yes.
Is that correct, Mr. McCann?
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That's correct.
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Question number 3, do you want a copy of the tape? Mr. McCann 7
has indicated that he does.
Is that correct Mr. McCann?
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That is correct.
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We will provide you at a later date with a copy of the tape.
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Briefly Mr. McCann for the benefit for those...you might want to mention 13!
that Mr. Yuhas has just joined us. Excuse me.
Also joining us in this 14 interview will be Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas.
Mr. Yuhas is a radiation 151 specialist of Region I of the USNRC.
Briefly, Mr. McCann, couid you 16!
give us your experience in the nuclear industry?
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Prior to coming to Three Mile Island in 1969, I had no nuclear 19i experience.
I joined TMI staff as an analyst senior working in the 20j chemistry department and health physics department.
I went through 42 21l weeks of training admitted provided.
Testing every week.
Went - to 22j health physics.
I attended the radiological health training school in i
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fueling at Three Mile Island and all the refueling outages of Unit I.
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Thank you, Mr. McCann.
We will now turn the questioning over to Mr. Donaldson.
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We are going to say our name first so the typist can know f
who's talking.
Our period of interest of the event of Three Mile 10i Island is from the 28th thru midnight on 30th, we realize that's kind 11 of a broad time frame.
Its been over a month now.
We would like to 12!
draw on whatever memory you do have on the situation and we would like-13l to start by just turning the floor over to you and sort of take us 14!
through what you did, what you observed, what you thought you observed, 15i beginning with your arrival on the site, whatever time that may have 16i been on the 28th.
And we will ask pertinent questions for clarification 17!
as you go.
18l 19' MCCANN:
Well, It has been over a month ago, my memory is a little 20j sketchy here.
I remember cuming to the site that morning.
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at the site North Bridge approximately 7:15.
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that they were turning perscnnel away from the gate, not allowing them i
23' on the Island, I stopped and the guard asked me if I was health physics, 24j he wasn't sure.
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1 told me that health physics and operaticns where the only ones allowed on the site, and go.
I come onto the island, went to the office, 3!
radiation protection supervisor's office.
Found nobody, still not 4
j knowing what was happening, I heard them page Dick Dubiel on the phone, picking up the phone on the page, trying to find out what was going on.
Still, not finding out what happened.
He told me to go to Unit II, health physics lab, assist Joe Deman.
I went to Unit II health physics 8
lab and didn't find Joe Deman.
I went to the Unit II control room.
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that point they sent me to the Unit I HP lab.
At this point it gets a 10l little hectic, I think, I'm not sure what happened.
But, I stayed at 11; the Unit I health physics lab and as far as I can remember and I'm not 12!
sure of times or anything, that the ECS did, I'm not sure if they were i
131 there when I got there, I don't think that they were, but they did 14:
arrive.
I talked to them on the phone, more or less just standing by.
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They had a phone talker there.
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Ok, we will try to help you through.
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Good.
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When you arrived at the ECS, which at that time was the 22' Unit I chem HP area.
Who do you recall seeing?
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I don't really recall Dale.
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Can you picture who might have been in charge?
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j Tom Mulleavy he was in charge of the lab and I more or less stood by, still hadn't found out what had happened.
We stayed in the 7
lab for a while and the activities started going up the counter where 8
going up.
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Where you back in the laboratory area sort of trying to i
11 stay cut of the way or were you asking Mr. Malavey if you could assist.
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I asked him if I could assist, but right at the time we had 14!
phone talkers on the emergency phone system.
We had a talkers on the 15I emergency lines in the plant.
He just told us to stand by, assist in
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Did you hear any of the discussions that was going on 19!
between the phone talker or between Mr. Malavey and anyone else to try 20 to get a picture of what was going on, did you ask any one else in the 21 area?
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At the time, I did ask and they told me that they had a problem.
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Was that an understanding at the time or something you have 6i gotten since?
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I think piecing together what I heard there and what I heard Cl',
since, I think that's probably, nobody said that th t's exactly what 10 1
had happened. I'm not sure if at that time anybody was really positive 11 of what happened.
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Did you ever hear any information regarding any surveys 14 that may have been done in areas of the plant such as the Aux Building?
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Of Unit 2? No I didn't.
Uh, except that they had to evacuate 17 the Unit 2 HP area.
But no indications or nobody said what the dose 181 rate was or you know just that the air activity was up.
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That is correct.
And I asked someone where everybody was and 21 they said we would go to the Unit
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I went up there.
22 There was a monitor at the door entering to the HP area in Unit II.
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Could you briefly describe the conditions in the Unit II 2l Control when you walked in?
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Ah, briefly~ describe it. Ah Si Gi DONALDSON:
What were the number of people, who was in charge.
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I don't know who was in charge.
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know, I would just say just at a glance, a dozen, I am not sure.
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Did you have the opportunity to glance at the Unit II ARN area 12 radiation monitoring panel?
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No Sir, I did not.
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You left the Unit II control shortly after arrival.
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That's correct.
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And you went back to Unit I.
The HP lab?
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That's correct, the HP lab in Unit I.
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OK, while you were there were you a party to decisions to draw Wl a primary coolant sample?
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No Sir.
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OK, about how long were you in the Unit I HP area?
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I'm not sure.
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Did you leave there before noon or after noon or?
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As everybcdy exited the area when the air activity went up, I 131 was stationed outside the HP area.
The air activity had gone up and I 14 was outside, more or less as a control point watch to make sure, to 15i keep people from entering the area.
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When you were outside the door in a kind of vestibule area.
lSi You had what, some repair parties, some monitors, etc. waiting orders.
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I had nobody, with the exception of a technician.
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OK.
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They may have been outside in the turbine building, I'm not 4l sure.
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Allright. Were you evacuated from that area when the ECS was 7
changed to the Unit I control room?
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The HP area?
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Yea.
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I was evacuated from the HP area and was told by Mr. Mulleavy 14 to stay outside the door to the control room, to tne controlled area.
15i 16i YUHAS:
About how long did you man that position?
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Again, I'm not sure of the time, I would say a couple of hours l
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I went to the observation center.
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Did you feel left out 'at this time?
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Sort of, I ah, I don't know, I just, it was, I know everybody 17!
was busy.
I was trying to get supplies that people needed.
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Let me ask you a couple of questiors about the observation (s
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Do you recall what 2ctivities where being scnducted
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They had, from my recollection, an ECS set up there.
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OK, you say an ECS.
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being directed from that location?
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From what it sounded like on the radio, it sounded that way, yes.
But I'm not sure if they were or not.
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Do you recall who was invcived in that direction?
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No, I don't remember who it was.
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You mentioned a Mulleavy telling you to stand by and maintain 14!
control of entries in Unit I.
Who gave you the, who told you to head
'9j over to the abservation center? Do you recall that?
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flo, I don't recall who that was.
Somebody came back and said 18l we were supposed to leave that area.
But I don't recall who it was.
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Do you recall if anyone relieved you either in the Unit I 21:
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No one relieved me personally, no.
There was a guard there.
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There was a guard located whire?
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Outside the labrinth the door going into the HP area of the 41 control point.
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Was he there when you left or did he evacuate with you 71 also?
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I think he was t'ere when I left yet.
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At the observation center, you were again kind of waiting 12l for direction, when did someone come up and grab a hold of you and give 13l you something to do?
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I don't recall.
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Do you recall seeing Mr. Limroth or any operations people 181 over there?
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I saw all kinds of people over there.
Operations people, what 21 type of operations, I saw operators, there was lots of people over 22!
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Who appeared to be in charge over there?
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I think Dave Limroth was there.
I'm really not sure.
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When you exited the island which way did you take out?
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I went out the north gate.
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Were there any frisking stations set up, other than the 10lI normal ones at that point yet? For example, were there any frissing at 11l' the north gate bridge or were there any frisking stations after you got 1I over the observation center?
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I took my vehicle, I don't recall of any frisking stations.
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Would that be a normal procedure to establish monitoring 17l stations for vehicles and people leaving the site?
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Yes.
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Where would these stations had been located?
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Normally we shm.:1d have one set up at the north gate, I would say.
Later we did set one up at the sub-station, the 500 KV substation.
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Did you work in the area of the 500 KV substation in c:j frisking and monitoring individuals ccming offsite?
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Yes.
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Why don't you describe for us a little bit the situation 10 over there, how many people you monitored, whether or not you found 'any 11l comtamination?
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We had the old, 500 KV was filled with vehicles, mine included.
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15i in, and vehicles, they brought them into the 500 KV and prior to them 16!
leaving they frisked all the vehicles and the personnel.
Yeah, we 17 found some contamination.
We had some guards that were contaminated 18!
that names I don't recali.
We took their uniforms off of them.
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Did anyone log the names of the ' individuals who where found 22 to be contaminated or possible followup action?
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I don't think they did.
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Were you the only health physics supervisor in the area?
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Pete Velez and I were outside.
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And no one directed names to be taken for followup dose 8
assessments or whole body counts or anything of that nature?
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Nc.
11l 12; COLLINS: When did you go down to the 500 KV station to help out in the 131 frisking, and who told you go down there, if you recall?
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I don't recall who sent me down there But everybody was 16!
directed to go down.
Again I don't recall who directed me to go down 17l there.
When I got down there all the frisking stations were already 181 established.
I think Fred Rice was there, I think I recall'him being 191 down there.
It seems that they had already had it set up down there i
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Was this before dark, can you give an estimate cf what time 23' this might have been?
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It was before dark, but I have no recollection of the time.
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Bob, what under the emergency organization would be a 4;
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some of the possibilities?
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I feel I should have been in the ECS.
I know in the drills I 8
went through, I was a phone talker.
I talked on the phone.
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according to that, I feel according to the radiation emergency plan, I I
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You're stating that the positions in the ECS were very well I
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That ultimately you ended up at the 14!
frisking station set up at the 500 KV substation? At the time Mr.
I 15t Velez was over at the frisking station with you, do you recall having 16i any contact with Mr. Houser?
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I don't recall having any contact with him.
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Oc you recall having any contact with Mr. Houser on the 21l following day?
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I don't know what days or what, it's hard 41
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Maybe if we can let you continue sort of chronologically, OI your over there and your see frisking going on, what next do you recall?
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I know Pete came out, I recall interfacing with Pete that he 9I come out and said it was crapped up, contaminated he had his stuff 10 there, he said that he,and Houser had pulled a primary sample.
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For the record that last question was asked by Collins.
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To what extent did you and Pete Velez discuss the taking of 15i the reactor coolant sample and the results?
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Prior to?
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After.
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He told me the NRC wanted the sample and that he and Houser 22l drawed it.
I was surprised that they drawed one. But, uh?
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Why were you surprised?
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Well, I just am surprised after I found out what the dose rate 2'
was on it, not prior to but after, he told me what the dose rate was on 3
the sample.
It seemed a bit high.
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And with that in mind you and Mr. Velez didn't have any conversation about the conduct of that operation or possible exposures 7i received by anyone as a result of that sample?
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He told me that he had over an R exposare.
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Did he, Velez, tell you that he himself or Houser had any i
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That's true, he did.
They were quite contaminated.
He told 16i me that he had, his body contamination was abcut 200 mr/hr, I think it 1/i was.
That was quite high, yes.
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Did you discuss any precautions or measures that should be 20l considered with those kind of levels of skin contamination?
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And you advised him to do same?
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Yea.
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Do you know if they did?
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To the best of my knowledge, yes, they did.
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Did you check on the result of that reshowering?
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He still had contamination on him.
He couldn't remove it.
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What action did you recommend or discuss with the individual?
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I didn't.
I don't think I recommended anything to him, other 16 than wrap it in plastic and try to sweat it out.
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Velez, no, I was interfacing with Velez.
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No sir, I did not.
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Do you know if they did?
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I do not know.
I assume that he did.
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plan implementing procedures, are to be followed if there are procedures 121 for individuals who are contaminated?
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I think they should have went to the medical centers, try to 15 !
get deconed.
Should have had a whole body count.
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Was any of this suggested to Velez?
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I don't recall if I suggested it to him or not.
I don't knot.
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Were you in communication with Mulleavy or Duoiel when you were 23 at the 500 KV?
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Myself personally, I did not.
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When you were operating the 500 KV Frisking Station, were there i
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No, they did not.
It was already set up when I got there, 181 thought it was already done.
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Do you know who was running frisking station, names were they 21 HP radcon techs?
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Could you briefly describe the occupational experience of Ms.
Si Pelen and Ms. Aspei?
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They don't have too much experience.
They are fairly new 91 employees.
Ms. Pelen was here about three months and Loraine was here 10) a shorter time than that.
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Mr. First, has he been with the company a significant period 13 of time?
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Yes, he has.
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Is he a senior at radchem tech?
181 19l MCCANN:
Yes, he is.
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You would have faith in him directing that operation then?
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What time did you go home on the first day?
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I don't recall.
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Can you recall what time you came b!ck?
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About 7 in the morning.
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OK, and did you work 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> or more?
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And more, more I think it was.
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Again, was this work primarily 500 KV in the observation center?
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Yes, and trying to set up TLD system in the, and again I am 16; not sure of the days.
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second floor of the observation center trying to get that operational.
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Where did the TLD readers come from?
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They came from the TLD trailer on the island.
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Does TMI routinely read their own TLD?
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Yes, we do.
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Do you consider TLD to be the official badge of record?
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Yes.
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Could you describe the type and number of TLD readers that you I
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OK and you are using a Harshaw dual chip TLD.
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Yes.
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When you read it TLD on the Harshaw manual reader do you get a 1Sj heater glow curve or a numerical printout of light source emission.
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We get a numerical prir. tout.
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Where are these printouts, are they retained, are they coded to 23 individuals?
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Yes, they are.
Each badge is coded and it comes out on a 2'
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reader?
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Not that I recall any special difficulties that we had, no.
9' 10l YUHAS:
Who was operating the reader?
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We had Ed Egenrider operating the reader.
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Who routinely operates the reader?
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Our technicians.
Ed Egenrider is one of our technicians.
He 17l is a senior technician.
181 19i YUHAS:
The dosimetry performed for onsite personnel then is the col-20' lateral duty of all radchem senior techs, or all techs, period.
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All techs, period.
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Who trains them in the operation and interpretation of the TLD 9
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Just the normal routine operation of it?
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Right.
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I think that was, that was a dual project.
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Generally how does the TLD result correlate to the pocket ion 12l chamber for single large exposures?
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Pretty closely.
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Is there a trend in the TLD normally slightly lower or slightly 17 higher in the pocket dosimeter?
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TLD is normally slightly lower then the pocket dosimeter.
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When you had the reader set up and you started counting the 22i badges, roughly whose badges were you counting and about how many did 23 you have to process?
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About how many did you have to process a day?
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I don't know.
I don't know the number.
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Yes, it was a lot.
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Was there any problems as far as inputting the tape into the 15' computer for updating exposure printouts?
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I don't know.
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And you didn't get involved in trying to implement the tape 20l results?
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No, I did not.
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TLD capability there at the observation center?
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Part of it, yes.
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Is there anything else of interest that you did that day?
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Let's move on to the following date.
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What time did you come to work that day?
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I was here I'm sure at 7 o' clock. (huh)!
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Okay, and your assignment on the 30th?
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down at the 500 KV, like paper coveralls and things like this that we 4l didn't have.
We didn't have a warehouse outside the island.
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unow, the 29th or the 30th, to get them on 12 hour1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> shifts so we'd have 8l mcre people, more personnel.
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you reme.9ber what day that was?
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At any time you were working in the observation center, did 16i you have occasion to check in with Mr. Dubiel or Mr. Malavey?
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I don't recall.
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The request that you were filling for paper coveralls, and i
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The 500 KV, they needed them.
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True.
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I just don't recall.
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I don't, it was mostly information, little things, I don't 17l recall them.
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I don't, a, I don't understand that.
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the offsite teams and we what would do is put somebody with them in the 7
duty area so they could get around at the same time train them, you 8
know break them in, so they could go out and grab the air samples and 9I do dose rates.
I 101 11 DONALDSON: Were you involved in the training of these people?
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Did I go with them? No.
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I helped, but to this day I don't know their names.
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Do you know who was in charge of integrating these people?
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No sir.
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Do you know a gentleman named Sydney Porter?
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Yes, I do.
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Was Mr. Porter located at any time in the observation 61 center working with these people?
7i MCCANN:
I don't recall interfacing with Mr. Porter.
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And you can't recall, who, if any.one was in charge of using 11, these people in the offsite areas?
I 12; 131 MCCANN:
No sir.
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What's the first significant action you remember on the island?
16l We are trying to figure when you cama back on the job.
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I am trying to recall.
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planning on coming back in and I didn't know what the structure was or 22l how we were going to work it, but I know I was planning on going to 23' Unit 1 and I didn't know how they were going to work things.
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done and so on.
This was his concern and my concern at the time.
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It turned out I didn't.
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At this time we'll break to change the tape.
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The time is now 4:26 pm eastern daylight 12l time, and I will turn the interview over to Mr. Donaldson.
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to the Unit I area and it was your understanding or intent to begin to 16 reestablish routine health physics control in Unit I, is that correct?
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That's correct.
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Yea, I was told I was going to Unit II.
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I don't recall.
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You did report to someone?
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Yea, I reported to Unit II, I certainly did.
But I don't 14 recall who I reported to, but I did go to Unit II.
15l 1Gi DONALDSON:
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I'ar just trying to remember when I went up there, but not 20' even sure what day it was.
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It was right inside the control room door, what have been the 4
west control room door the enter of the control room.
That's where we were working from for HP.
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What technicians were there for that day?
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I do not recall what technicians were there.
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What were your duties that day, what did you do?
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I don't recall.
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At any time during the first three days from the 28 through 18!
the 30 did you maintain a foreman's log book or any kind of notes on 19i your activities?
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No, I feel now that I should have, but I didn't.
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I think we are satisfied with your scenario and would like to 8
offer you the opportunity to make any comments or criticisms that you 9l might have, either generally or specifically, coming out of this event.
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Well I don't really have any comments. At this time, I don't 12 talnk I have any comments on it.
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OK, fine.
Thank you very much for your cooperation comming out 15i here and siting in the rain with us.
Listening to the pitter pa.tter 16i of the Susquehanna.
We will close this interview and the time is 4:35 17) pm.
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