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This is an unofficial transcript of a meeting of the Unfiiad States Nuclear Regulatory Commission held on Tuesdav, 1 Msv 1979 in the Comission's offices at 1717 H Street, H. W., wasningr.on, D. C.
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8 Washington, D. C.
9 Tuesday, 1 May 1979 10 The Commission met, pursuant to notice, at 3:20 P.M.
11 BEFORE:
12 DR. JOSEPH M. HENDRIE, Chairman 13 VICTOR GILINSKY, Commissioner 14 RICHARD T. KENNEDY, Commissioner 15 PETER A.
BRADFORD, Commissioner 16 JOHN F. AHEARNE, Commissioner 17 ALSO PRESENT:
18 Messrs. Stoiber, Gossick, Davis, Dudley, and Snyder.
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CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
Why don't we go ahead.
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3 this afternoon for a briefing on the recent inspector program.
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MR. DAVIS:
The inspection with enforcement, the last i l
5 several months, is in a series of briefings with the Commission '
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6 to bring them up to date about what our plans are, where we are j 7
going, and various program elements.
The first of these, con-8 ducted some months ago, as you recall, was licensing regulatory 9
performance and evaluation.
This is the second of a series of 5
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briefings.
We had planned this briefing before Three Mile 11 Island.
Much'of it is still as it was originally planned.
12 However, there some modifications to it.
Perhaps some 13 early thinking on some changes, perhaps that might be appropriate
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14 as a result of Three Mile Island.
There has been a series of 15 studies done on the Office of Inspection and Enforcement.
In 16 the last 2-1/2 years one of tnese -- and a major one of these 17 studies -- is what we have entitled the " Revised Inspection 18 Program."
l9 I If you look on slide No. 1, the elements of the l
20 l Revised Inspection Program are culled out.
Under resident 21 inspection program, that is inspectors on site at faciliites, a 22 y continuation of regional-based inspections.
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as opposed to what we term " generalists,"
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2 Then, two other major elements in the Revised Inspec-3 tion Program are what we call " performance appraisal teams."
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By the way, this will be the subject of a future 5
briefing and then increased independent verification.
6 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
This is the performance j
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appraisal team proposal we have looked at before?
MR. DAVIS:
Yes, sir, as part of the budget.
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COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
That's been rather consistently 10 looked on with fast favor by the budgeteers outside the agency.
11 MR. DAVIS:
Yes, sir.
But with favoring inside the 12 agency.
13 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
Yes, I realize that.
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15 more positive treatment in this regard by the OMB.
Is that 16 right?
17 MR. DAVIS:
Yes, sir.
OMB was very concerned about IS par # - ance appraisal.
19 l Then, the last portion of the Revised Inspection Pro-20 gram is increased independent verification, which, of course, is 1
21 independent neasurement of direct observation.
The driving 22 g force behind the recent inspection program was a desire to
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24 i One was to increase the direct NRC knowledge of the a.s.e.ee neoorms, ine. l 25 ;
conditions at the plant to provide us with a better technical i
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2 Second, and very important, was to lessen our program's i
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Lastly, to provide added insurance that licensees' 7
controls systems are effective and are performing acceptably.
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'If you will turn to the next slide, this is a very 9
brief outline of the resident inspection program history, how 10 1 we got where we are and where we intend to go.
The early look 11 at away from region inspections was begun in 1974 and continued
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In this particular program, we had two inspectors out
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15 the inspection responsibilities for three plants apiece.
- Now, 16 these particular -- this program did turn out favorably.
We 17 were inoking for increased efficiencies.
We were looking for 18 incre.wed knowledge of the pIant.
We were looking for increased 19 1 onsite time.
So we did this favorably.
I 20 i In May 1977', some of you may recall, Dr. Volgenau came i
21 down with the first piece at the relock at the Office of Inspec-22 tion and Enforcement in the Revised Inspection Program.
We came 23 forth with alternatives of different ways to perform the inspec-24 l tion programs and the Commission selected what we call the " full-wrecem neoonen. Inc. '
25 l time inspection program," which means one inspector assigned ll l
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1 full time at a reactor site.
2 In order to implement this, the Commission did ask 3
OMB approval of 125 positions and $6 million.
This supplemental 1
I moved very slowly.
So; in July 1978, in advance of the supple-l 4
5 mental, we put our first resident inspectors on site.
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COMMISSICNER AHEARNE :
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Supplemental?
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When did it actually ask?
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In September of
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COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
In May '77 they requested 125.
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Approved 75.
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75 of the 120?
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Right.
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What happened from '65 through la
'71?
19 1 MR. DAVIS:
It was eroded in some fashion.
l 20 i COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
Wasn't it a result of a sub-l 21 stantial cutback in the number of spaces that had been requested 22,l of OMB across the board?
l 23 lj MR. GOSSICK:
In the supplemental there were also, I 2d q believe, were there not, spaces on waste management and --
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MR. DAVIS:
My staff man says it was a presidential l'
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COM'ISSIONER AHEARNE:
OMB cut it back to '61?
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Right.
And then we are aiming toward fulI 3
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
What was the statement in the 1
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President's energy message in backing up to that, concerning 8
resident inspectors?
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
NRC would put a resident 10 '
inspector in.
11 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
What were the actual words?
12 MR. DAVIS:
I don't have it with me.
It was somewhat '
13 different from his language that he gave in his speech, which said a rep'esentative in each control unit full time.
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15 not what the message said.
16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
I understand that. But it 17 might be useful --
18 MR. GOSSICK:
I have just sent down, in response to l
19 1 your query about the things you wanted to comment on -- status 20 l and so forth -- I assigned that yesterday morning.
It should i
21 l be done here, those four or five items in that message and the 22 current status, where we are, and so forth.
23 l CHAIRMAN HENDRIE:
I would ask for an update on the
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MR. GOSSICK:
Attached to that is the exact wordage.
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Inspector's mandatory reportingj 3
and review site policy.
The inspectors increased unannounced I
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COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Since it is r.elevant to this i
6 meeting, I wonder, while we are talking, someone would look it l
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up so we could have it later in the meeting.
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MR. GOSSICK:
Sam, could you find that paper?
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all in one package, signed out yesterday morning.
It should be 10 !
in there.
- t's a fairly short memo, attachment on it.
11 MR. DAVIS:
This side shows the planned manning 12 schedule that we've been operating with since the inclusion of 13 the supplemental as initially planned and as initially approved
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14 by the Commissioners. The full manning date would have involved.
15 at least one NRC inspector at each power reactor site, one 16 inspector for each reactor phase that is preoperational testing, 17 startup operations, no inspector covering more than two reactors,
la and a continuation of support by region-based inspector.
19 1 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
One inspector ~at something like l
20 i Three Mile Island would end up, if there were two reactors, one i
21 inspector, something like Palo Verde, with five reactors, you 22 would have three inspectors?
23 !l MR. DAVIS:
That's not tr 2 way it is now.
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1 MR. DAVIS:
Yes.
When we are talking about now, fiscal 2
'81, I think it's important to understand what we talk about, i
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operational testing, and NRC inspector-selected' sites with 4
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reactors in late stage of construction.
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6 selected fuel plants, and these are continued to be supported byj s.
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So, it is a scaleback from what we had originally 9
planned.
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COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Say again what you originally 11 planned.
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At least one inspector at each power 13 reactor site.
One inspector for each reactor phase at the site.
14 In other words, if there were reactors in construction at the 15 site, operations at the site, preoperations testing, there would 16 have to be three there -- one for each phase.
No one inspector i
17 Icovering more than two reactors, and continuation of support.
la COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
What led you to cut back from 19 l that original --
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MR. DAVIS:
Two things:
One was our early ability to i
l 21 absorb the large numbers; and secondly, was budget consideration.
22l COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Internal to the NRC, or external?
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External.
The NRC approved that.
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Where did those budget pres-co Focefst Reoorters, Inc.
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MR. DAVIS:
Basically, from OM3, as ~ recall.
2 If you will look at the next slide, as a result of i
3 Three Mile Island we have considered:
Can we accelerate our 4
resident inspection program by moving residents out faster?
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COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
When would Three Mile Island l
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have had a resident inspection?
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I believe it would call for next year.
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'80, this summer.
9 So, we have examined what we have.
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the difficulty in accelerating the movement out of inspectors 11 is to bring -- is to hire inspectors and get them trained to be l 12 inspectors.
Hire people to get them to be trained as inspectors.
13 All of o.ur inspectors who are now out and who will be out this L
14 year come from our experienced base of inspectors we had on 15 board prior to the supplemental.
And fee che new ones, it takes 16 us about 18 months to two years to bring a person in and con-17; vert him into an inspector who we feel is somewhat confident 18 about going to a site as a resident.
19 1 While the end -- we have a total in our plants of 20,
about 415 inspectors.
Of those, about 117 are reactor opera-21 tions inspectors.
Of those, about 75 are of sufficient grade 22 level to be considered for resident studies 13 to 14.
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COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
To go from 75 to 45, is that lal 2257 291 4.
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based on the two years' experience?
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Based on experience and also the belief i
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So, from the way these numbers spiral down very t
rapidly, you can see it's very difficult to move our inspectors ;
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out in advance of our plans and also, at the same time, keeping; i
a some base of experience in the regional office.
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So, we are continuing to examine this.
Hopefully, we i
10 will find some way to accelerate.
I am not at all confident 11 about this now.
And this is a question we see frequently.
12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
To accelerate it; we'd essen-13 tially have to go out and hire additional people; is that cor-14 rect?
15 MR. DAVIS:
If we -- well, first place, to accelerate,-
16 to get one man on site, would be very difficult.
What I am 17 talking about now is to get that first man out Ehere.
If, in 18 f act, you want to revise the program somewhat., which I. wi.11 be 19 1 talking about a little bit later, and you wanted to revise it i
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beginning in ' 81, then we should begin to hire those people right i
21 now for any increase in resident inspection programs.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
In your difference between 415 23 and 45, are there any block of those that you see as potential i
1 24 {i candidates to be resident inspectors?
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are what we've called the " tight line."
And they were the ones 2
we hired in.
Once we got the supplemental, chey were hired in I
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specifically to be residents.
And they will begin manning in I
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They are already scheduled.
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Did you say how many are in 6
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In other words, what I am looking at is your numbers, I
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cally equipped.
I am wondering about that 370 others.
How 9( many of those are potential residents?
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MR. DONNELLY:
There are about 45 of the supplemental 11 61 people that we got.
About 45 of them were this training 12 pipeline, this nucleus that would go out in '80
'81.
There are 13 45 in that category.
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i 14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
None of the others are there?
I 15 No operating inspectors or any of them lower than GS-13 16 inspectors would be viewed as possibilities?
17 MR. DAVIS:
Not against what we have considered to be 18 fully qualified.
Now, if we revise our definition of "grC i fied,"
19 l then, of course, it's a totally different story.
20 MR. GOSSICK:
You said 415 inspectors.
Is that it?
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Every kind of inspector we have.
MR. GOSSICK:
Has to be narrowed down to reactor 22 ]
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That was my question.
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of the other type that would be -- that you could rapidly move 2
to be reactor inspectors.
We do have some reactor inspectors who are specialists!
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that might be retrained.
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5 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
6 MR. DAVIS:
So, we don't see a great deal of hope in l
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moving out there promptly.
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Now, in locking at the factors that we used in site 9
selection, this is for our routine selection of sites.
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these were based primarily on efficiency; that is, good utiliza-11 tion of people.
12 We have selected sites to be manned first that have 13 1 multi-unit sites in the operating sites with safety considera-(
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14 tions, and then preoperational site with an efficiency measure 15 and the construction sites that look as if they will be moving 16 into operation relatively soon.
17 One of the points I would lik e to mention:
As we have 18 Locked. at this,. you w:Lil note that we have not used as a real 19 I factor in this selection what we call a licensee regulatory 20 performance evaluation.
We are frequently urged by outside i
21 forces to do this.
But if you recall, when we went through 22,l that, we had some insecurities regarding that.
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We, in March of this year, had a meeting il 24 !i with all of our resident inspectors, and to get their input and
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the important thing which we received from that meeting are 2
these four points here.
3 It became really clear that the resident inspection i
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5 much different than we had anticipated.
In developing our manual 6
that is the guidance for the use of the resident inspectors, we l
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which means that you plan a module, a particular portion of 9
plant operation to look at.
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Our resident inspectors found that this may be some-11 what restricted to them, and they belie-re they're performing 12 much better inspections with considerably more leeway in what 13
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to look at and could follow things.
14 I guess the best description of it -- they say the i
15 plant operations is a motion picture; while our program was 16 written for the regional bases, it is a series of snapshots.
17 So, we will be looking at our program and modifying it in recog-nitionofthecommentsofkheresidentinspectors.
This may be 18 19 1 a fair rewrite.
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I think, in order for us to get our benefit, the maxi-21 mum benefit, we will have to revise it the way we have been 22 d expecting.
A point which I found somewhat surprising, since, I 23 guess, most of the things I hear are negative, the inspecrors 24 !l themselves who are out there on the site have very little nega-e.e.o.co n oorem. inc. j 25 N tive comment to make about the program.
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are doing a good job out there.
They think that they are ful-2 filling many of the things we were looking for; particularly, l
3 much better knowledge of that plant.
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Some cf the supervisors who were somewhat negative to 4
5 this program have, since the beginning, turned to be proponents,j 6
primarily because they have been very much impressed with the l
7 ability of the resident inspector to keep up with events.
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events unfold, the resident can be right there on top of it.
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So, we will be modifying the program.
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residents right now believe it is - they're getting a good pay-11 off from it.
12 Now, there are some negative aspects to this program, 13 and they're almost all personal.
The cost of the -- of relocat -
k 14 ing is quite high, and it's not so much the cost of transporting 15 the furniture as it is in locating a new residence, recognizing 16 that interest rates increase rapidly and they carry a financial 17 burden because of that.
Real estate is a problem with them.
11 Another problem that we have is -
19 l COMMISSIOENR AHEARNE:
Do we pay moving expenses?
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To a certain amount, yes.
21 Another problem which we have is they have somewhat of 22,j a feeling of isolation.
Of course, they're away from their 23 ll supervisors, away from their peers within the office.
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individuals, and'they feel that they are somewhat professionally 2
isolated as well as personally isolated.
The people they would 3
normally have as friends, their peers, educational peers. in 1
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these small communities all work at the plant.
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activities.
It's quite rigid, and I think it may, in the long l
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We will have to reexamine that.
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that, for example, they cannot car-pool to the site with people 11 at the plant.
And this causes a great deal of difficulty.
12 But, in total, my impression, in talking about the --
13 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
Do you provide them with a 14 vehicle?
15 MR. DAVIS:
That's one of the things we'll be looking 16 at.
17 The i ression from the resident inspectors -- and 18 this. is.a. firs,t wave of_pratty qualified. people -- it is a.posi.-
19 1 tive program and one which should continue.
With regard to l
20 l overall effectiveness, some believe it is much more effective 21 than a regional-based program.
Others do not share that belief:
22 l They believe it may be more efficient, but not necessarily more 23 lll effective.
I 24 h I would like to point out, of course, that the resi-a s.e vai neoon m,inc.
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program to be conducted by resident inspectors.
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be supported by specialists coming out of the regional office,
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since we have no people who have the skill base for the total j
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6 Revised Inspection Program.
Basically, its effectiveness, its 7
efficiency, any problems and improvements.
8 This is costing about $225,000 in fiscal year '79, 9
with an add-on 550,000 in 80.
I am almost decided that it may 10 I be money that we have to go through to document.
11 But the general impact and impression of the residents.
12 program has been widely accepted and considered to be very i
13 desirable for our program.
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14 media to qualify this one and the other one in Michigan that I 15 have to return, I think he's after a resident inspector.
Every-16 one wants one at their plant.
17 But we have this.
The report to Congress, unfortunately, 18 comes fairly soon after we begin our study.
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19 a final report by July 1980, and it will be a fairly rigorous 20 i look, a very rigorous look, at what the program is.
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22 l we did relook at our program and do have some early thinking i
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manning of the operating reactors.
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believe we can accelerate this to a great extent.
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providing some coverage on all shifts.
What that is, of course,I l
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We're not quite certain how this will work out. l 7
We are also considering -- and, of course, this will 8
have a large budget impact -- an additional resident inspector l
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per unit at the sites.
And that is a fair budget impact.
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COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Could you explain?
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Okay.
For example, at a site which has 2 ! two units, we would have three people on the site:
a senior 3 ;i man and then two junior men.
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off-shift.
So we.would cover all three shifts, not full-time, il 6 f but some coverage, all three shifts.
7 And it would aim his particular attention as verify-8 ing the serviceability of equipment.
Now, you should recognize 9 0 that our resident program does increase that, but it is still 9
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Are you saying you would view 24 that as a training program?
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train, but I think it would provide ideal' training in learning 2 y plants.
The thing that has really impressed me is how well
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know whether their guards are there or not, this type of thing.
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Done by the licensee and by most states.
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How often do we do that?
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the coamunications people with regard to the list up of the 9 il phone, and it rings and keeps the line open.
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the headquarters operations center, the i
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interrupt to notify us of problems.
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able to eavesdrop on their brother's plant.
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to occur.
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line through the hard-wire SS-4 system, which we have for HP 8
coverage or the commercial system.
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22 y a computer control system.
I 23 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
I must say, hooking up a 74 bunch of telephones doesn't sound like a six-month job.
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six weeks.
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center simply pushes the second button and they have the 6
regional headquarters, whichever way we work it, on the line 7
right then.
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That will be for about six weeks.
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We'll have that in six weeks?
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That means that we will have the first
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So it's my 19 ;
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There is this other arrangement where
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22 ;i COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
In the first two weeks, you
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24 MR. THOMPSON:
That's correct.
We will be back to a pe-ns nexem. ine.
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Another related change that we already 8
have in effect is 24-hour manning of NRC operations center 9 ll regions project.
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An answering system?
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It does cut than down because we da --
19 ii COMMISSIONER KENNEDY:
Ev what percentage?
Il 20 h MR. DAVIS:
I think it was 19 people, as I recall.
I 21 3 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Who answers this coll-free 4
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23 MR. DAVIS:
It comes into the operations.
It would 24 come into the operations.
But that's not in at the present
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19 people, all who'would be 2
qualified inspectcas?
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This is in I&E7 2
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day or for accident response?
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What we have done is a preliminary look j
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'l 15 h I think that we have stretched it as far as it should be, 16 maybe further than it should have been stretched.
So conse-7, quently, we're relooking at frequencies.
We'll handle that.
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We have them in thcee offices.
Two do not have then.
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find it is fulfilling cur hopes to a large degree.
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basically on schedule.
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It's going to tax our resources extremely, 6
particularly for what we are now putting into Three Mile 7
Island.
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9 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
If you had a resident I
i 10 inspector at Three Mile Island, what difference would that haveI I
made?
Not necessarily in terms of accident, but in terms of II l
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Would you have expected --
18 excuse me - expected him to be notified at what point in time?
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I'd expect him to get called about a.pewt nexam Inc.
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three hours earlier than we had somebody there?
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that when you call for help, call him too?
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Peter, are you through?
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That was a budget amendment.
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Okay.
Then in the fall of '77, 24 you went in with the next fiscal year's budget.
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l 19 :l even higher than 125.
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from a number of standpoints.
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was the early one.
I got a notion --
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here in the office aspect.
The PAT was quite large.
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On the manning schedule, you l
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So it's a combination.
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Are they equivalent capability 21 [l people?
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that we would give up with the greatest of reluctance.
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If I look, then, at your manning 2
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Are all of the increases, then, il 19 9 that one sees in the 46, 79, 93, 15, 27, 28, coming out of the a
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4 21 d MR. DAVIS:
They are not the same personalities.
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The spaces are the same?
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So if pu were to look at '81 2
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2 in '79, get some more spaces, at least?
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Yes, sir.
And very promptly, because 5
of that long lead time.
Again, if we were to go to two at a 6
site, the lead time would perhaps not be as strong.
The basic 7
challenges you have in hiring people, you can hire qualified 8
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Lee, do you have any kind of 2 1 target for aiming at a Three Mile Island supplemental?
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