ML19256B662
| ML19256B662 | |
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 07/02/1979 |
| From: | Wandling G BABCOCK & WILCOX CO., PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE |
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_______________________________________x as P RE S ID ENT ' S COMMISSION ON THE ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE ISLAND
______________.________________________x DEPOSITION of BABCOCK & WILCOX by GEORGE KINKAID WANDLING, held at the offices of Babcock & Wilcox, Old Forest Road, Lynchburg, Virginia 24505, on the 2nd day of July, 1979, commencing at 6:50 p.m.,
before Robert Zerkin, Notary Public of the State of New York.
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4 MORGAN, LEWIS & SOCKIUS, ESQS.
Attorneys for Babcock & Wilcox 5
1800 M Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20038 6
BY:
GEORGE L.
EDGAR, ESQ.
KEVIN GALLEN, ESQ.
of Counsel 8
-and-9 JOHN G.
MULLIN, ESQ.
House Counsel 10 11 F_ O _R_ T_ H E _ C_ O M_ M_ I_ _S S _I O_ N_ :
12 WINTHROP A.
ROCKWELL, ESQ.
Associate Chief Counsel g
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16 RONALD M.
EYTCHISON 17 CLAUDIA A.
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G E O R G E K I N KA I D W A N D L I N G,
4 having been first duly sworn by Winthrop A.
R ekwell, Esq., took the stand and testified 5
as f 11 ws:
6 MR. ROCKWELL:
Please mark this as i
Wandling Deposition Exhibit 51.
8 (Resume of George Kinkaid Wandling, 9
herein marked Wandling Deposition Exhibit 51 10 for identification, this date.)
11 DIRECT EXAMINATION 12 BY MR. ROCKWELL:
13 Q
Please state your full name.
A George Kinkaid Wandling.
g Q
What is your current business address?
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A Business address is Old Forest Road, Lynchburg, 16 Virginia.
17 Q
Who is your current employer?
18 A
Babcock & Wilcox.
10 Q
What is your current position with Babcock 20
& Wilcox?
21 A
My position is plant startup and test planning task engineer.
Q Have you brought with you today a resume reflecting your education and employment history?
A I have.
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3 Q
Showing you what we have marked as 4
Wandling Deposition Exhibit 51, is that the resume which you brought with you?
a A
Yes.
6 Q
Did you prepare it yourself?
A I did.
8 Q
It is complete and up-to-date as of today?
9 A
Yes.
10 MR. RocKWELL:
Please mark this as 11 Wandling Exhibit 52.
10 (Document described below herein marked Wandling Deposition Exhibit 52 for identifica-13 tion, this date.)
Q Mr. Wandling, showing you what has been l a, marked as Wandling Deposition Exhibit 52, can you 16 identify it for me.
17 A
Yes, I can.
18 Q
What is it?
19 A
These are a transcript of the notes, a copy of 20 the notes I took during the course of events that 31 occurred on March 28, 1979 with regard to the TMI 2 transient.
Q Where were you at the time you took these notes?
24 A
I was here at B&W's facilities, Old Forest. Road..
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3 Q
were you in any particular place in the 4
facilities?
A Several different offices, and the project control a
center.
6 Q
Who gave you the assignment of taking these notes?
8 A
In the early afternoon I was given the assignment 9
by Jim Deddens, I believe.
10 Q
Please tell me what the assignment was.
11 What did he ask you to do?
12 A
His assignment was for me to take notes of infor-mati n received with regard to the transient, the 13 information that was being received by phone communica-tions with the site, and any other information that happened to come in from whatever source.
16 Q
So his instructions to you were to record 17 incoming information to B&W?
18 A
His instructions, to the best of my recollection, 19 were to take notes on the course of events during the 20 day.
21 Q
Did that also include discussions here at B&W as well as information that was incoming from the outside world?
23 A
His instructions were no more explicit than that.
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Q How would you characterize these notes in
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3 terms of the kind of information they include?
4 A
They include information that was received from whatever source mentioned in here, and they include a
recommendations made at which time I was present when 6
they were formulated and also transmitted to the site.
7 Q
Where you have notes of a telephone conver-8 sation, were you able to hear both ends of the tele-Q phone conversation?
10 A
Yes, sir.
11 Q
Is that because you were on a speakerphone?
12 A
Squawk box, speakerphone, yes.
Q Is all of the information that you have 13 recorded in these notes, information you received first-hand?
15 A
No, sir.
16 Q
Let me restate it to make sure I am clear 17 on your answer.
18 Is all of the information included on 19 Deposition Exhibit 52, information you heard with your 20 own ears from the person speaking it?
A Yes.
31 Q
In other words, it was a telephone conver-sation in which you were listening to parties on both ends and took notes?
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Yes.
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3 Q
And if it was a co r.ve r s a tio n that is indi-4 cated here, it was because jou heard that conversation and made a note of it?
O A
Yes, that is correct.
o Q
Did anyone else supply you with information i
indirectly which made their way into the notes here?
8 A
I believe the page you have An front of you, yes, o
from J.
D.
Phinney.
10 Q
At what timd did you start taking these 11 notes?
12 A
Approximately 7:45.
13 Q
In the erening?
A In the morning.
Q You said you got the assignment in the l a, early afternoon.
16 A
That's right.
17 Q
How could you have taken the notes in the 18 morning if vou did not get the assignment until early 19 afternoon?
20 A
As part of my job as plant startup and test 21 planning and task engineer, I generally take notes.
Q You had been performing the function of note taking throughout the day?
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For my own edification, I had been doing that.
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You have put in certain times in the notes 1885 129 s
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3 or references to time of day that some events occurred, 4
or that you received certain information which went into your notes.
How did you ascertain those times?
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With my watch.
O Q
They were not reconstructed later?
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The times?
8 Q
Yes.
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No, sir.
10 Q
So when you put down, for instance on 11 Page 3,
" Basics of 0745 telephone conversation," it is 12 because you looked at your watch at the time of the 13 telephone conversation, and saw it was 07457 A
I may have at times like, for instance, the 0745 phone call, I knew that I came to work at approximately l a_
7:45, automatically started taking notes when.I heard 16 about the conversation going on, and them sometime 17 during the conversation at a break may have gone back 1b and said, approximately 7:45.
19 Where the time was not exact per my watch, I 20 think I almost always put an approximation mark in 31 front of the time.
Q Were you in the simulator at all on the 28th?
23 A
No, sir, not in the simulator.
2I Q
Have you had a chance to review t es n te -
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3 since you created them on the 28th?
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Yes, sir.
Q In making that review, have you been satis-a fied that the notes are accurate to the best of your F
ability to record them at the time on the date of the t
28th?
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I am satisfied that the notes that are there are 9
an accurate picture of the way that I received the 10 information.
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Have you made any corrections in the notes 12 upon reviewing them at any later date than the 28th?
A No, not later than the 28th.
13 Q
Would you review the Exhibits you have in front of you and tell me if it is complete?
l a, A
It is complete.
16 Q
Who wrote the attachments?
17 A
Attachment 1,
I believe, was drafted by Bill 18 Spangler and Don Hallman at the same time.
19 Q
When?
20 A
The morning of March 28th.
21 Q
What time?
A It was after the 0745 telephone conversation, but prior to the 9:00 o' clock task force meeting.
Q And Attachment 2?
24 A was drafted by Bill Spangler and n-
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myself immediately -- well, during the task force 4
meeting.
Q When?
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The 9:00 o: clock task force meeting.
6 Q
Do all of the pages of notes reflect just i
your handwriting?
Is there anyone else's handwriting 8
here?
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There is nobody else's handwriting here.
10 Q
Were you in one place most of the time 11 during the day when you were taking these notes?
12 A
After approximately -- well, after the time when we went t the project control center, which was in 13 early afternoon, I recall approximately 1300, I was in one place the rest of the day.
15 Q
By the rest of the day, you mean until when?
16 A
Until about 9:00 o' clock that evening.
17 Q
Does that take us through the end of your 18 notes?
14 A
It does.
20 Q
Before that, would you trace where you were in the building during the day starting when you 31 came in?
A When I came in, there was a telephone conversation
.3 in progress which was the 0745 telephone conversation 21 from the site; that telephone conversation lasted I am 1885 132 25 S ENJ AMIN R E PO RTIN G S ERVICE
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not sure how long.
It was a few minutes after 8:00.
4 Thereafter, I can't really tell you where I was other than to say I was in or immediately around my unit O
manager, Bill Spangler's office, and mine is right next b
to his, and the next place I remember being was at the training room or classroom for the task force meeting 8
at 9:00 o' clock.
9 After the task force meeting, again we went back 10 up to spangler's office where there was further discus-11 sions about the information received, and although I 12 know I was not at that one place around Spangler's 13 ffice, I d n't recall any particular place I was at
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up until we went to the project control center after lunch.
It was mainly around Spangler's office and my l a, office.
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Has anyone else reviewed Deposition 17 Exhibit 52 for accuracy other than yourself?
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I cannot say.
19 Q
Well, to your knowledge.
20 A
It has been reviewed, yes.
21 Q
By others?
A By others.
Q But you don't know who?
A I could not tell you everyone who has seen it.
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for accuracy.
4 Q
But do you know of anyone who has reviewed it to see if what you took down in your notes comports a
with their recollection?
6 A
Yes.
7 Q
Who?
8 A
I can go on with a big list.
I know of people 9
who have seen this and have at least looked at portions 10 of it, 11 Q
Let me go at it a different way.
12 Do you know of anyone who has looked at it who disagreed with the substance of your notes?
13 A
No.
14 Q
Have you made any other statements or are 15 there any other notes that you made on the 28th or the 16 days after the 28th other than what we have before us 17 as Wandling Deposition Exhibit 527 I8 A
Yes, I have.
19 Q
Would you tell me about it?
20 A
The notes I took on March 28th are on stationery 31 pad.
These notes as you can see are on larger paper.
What I did was, the night following the transient, I transcribed the notes from the note pad to this paper.
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Was that a verbatim transcription or were 21 you interpolating and expanding?
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A I was interpolating and expanding; in other vords, 4
I used many abbreviations during the actual writing of the notes, and also I would recall something that may a
have happened.
I remembered who was there.
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all that in to the best of my recollection, and I did 7
that on the evening of the 28th.
8 Q
Do you still have the original notes?
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No, I do not.
10 Q
Have they been thrown away?
11 A
I don't think so, no.
12 Q
Who has them?
A I think they are in this building, I think.
13 Q
Do you know who has them?
A 1 think I know, but it is not a person, it is a place where they are 1ccated.
16 Q
Where are they?
17 A
I guess you would call it the New Project Control 18 Area for the TMI 2 support project.
19 Q
I would ask that you retrieve those notes, 20 make a copy for us, and trr.nsmit them to us through 21 y ur counsel, Mr. Edgar, okay?
A Yes.
,y Q
Other than the original of your notes from
_a which this document, Exhibit 52 was created on the 21 night of March 29th, do you have'any other notes 23 1885 135 S ENJAMIN R EPO RTIN G SERvlCE
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relating to the events surrounding the TMI 2 accident?
4 A
I have some notes of the following days.
Q Were you performing the same kind of a
function in the following days that you performed on the 28th?
A I was.
8 MR. ROCKWELL:
Could we have a complete o
set of those notes?
10 MR. EDGAR:
Yes.
11 Q
Have you, other than your note taking, have 12 you made any statement about your knowledge of events 13 surrounding the TMI accident?
MR, EDGAR:
Would you explain " statement" for him?
l a, Q
Statement would mean a written narrative, 16 an interview, say, with the NRC.
l' A
No, sir.
18 Q
Or interview with anyone else?
10 A
No, sir.
20 Q
Mr. Wandling, I am going to recess your 21 deposition at this time, leavins you subject to recall for additional testimony should it be recuired.
We don't have any present plans to call you back for a
additional testimony, but it is possible that we will 24 need to do so on a future date, and if that occurs,
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we will contact counsel for ssW and they will get in 4
touch with you.
A Fine.
a MR. ROCKWELL:
Thank you for staying.
o (Whereupon, at 7:15 p.m.,
the deposition t
was adjourned.)
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GEORGE KINKAID WANDLING 10 11 subscribed and sworn to 1'
before me this_________
13 day of_________________
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STATE OF NEW YORK
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We, ROBERT "ERKIN, Notary Public of the a
State of New York and IRWIN H.
BENJAMIN, Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New York, do hereby certify that the foregoing 8
deposition of GEORGE KINKAID WANDLING was taken before 9
us on hte 2nd day of July, 1979.
10 The said witness was duly sworn before 11 the commencement of his testimony; that the said 12 testimony was taken stenographically by ourselves and then transcribed.
13 The within transcript is a true record of g
the said deposition.
la, we are not related by blood or marriage 16 to any of the said parties, nor interested directly 17 or indirectly in the matter in controversy, nor are we 18 in the employ of any of the counsel.
l9 IN WITNESS WHE REOF we have hereunto set 3
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