ML19249B071
| ML19249B071 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 05/31/1979 |
| From: | Hilbish J, Lefin R METROPOLITAN EDISON CO. |
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| NUDOCS 7908290347 | |
| Download: ML19249B071 (10) | |
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UNITED STATES OF AMCRICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 1
In the Matter of:
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IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3
of John Hilbish Supervisor of Licensing 4
Rudy Lefin 5
Supervisor of Mechanical and Systems Engineering 61 l
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Trailer #203 9
NRC Investigation Site TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10 Middletown, Pennsylvania 11 May 31, 1979 12l (Date of Interview)
I 13l July 5, 1979 (Date Transcript Typed) 14 286 IS{
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20l 21 NRC PERSONNEL:
22 Bob Marsh 23 Thomas H. Essig Anthony N. Fasano gc; g
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1 MARSH:
The date is May 31st. The time is 8:34 e.m., this is Bob Marsh and 2
I'm an Investigator with the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, assigned 3
to Region 3 in the Chicago, Illinois office.
This morning we are at the 4-facilties of Metropolitan Edison at 2800 Pottsville Pike in Reading, Pennsyl-5 vania, and we're here for the purpose of conducting interviews with some of 6
the Met Ed staff.
At this time, we have two Met Ed people in the room as 7
well as two NRC representatives, and I would at this time like to have each 8
individual introduce'himself to spell his last name and to identify his g
position.
Mr. Hilbish, if you would start.
10 HILBISH:
11 John flilbish, H-I-L-B-I-S-H, Supervisor of Licensing for Met Ed.
12 MARSH:
Rudy.
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Supervisor of Mechanical and 15 Y '"
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Thomas H. Essig, E-S-S-I-G, Chief, Environmental and Special 18[
Projects Section, NRC Region 3, Chicago.
19l 20k FASAN0:
Anthony N. Fasano, F-A-S-A-N-0, Inspection Specialist, out of Region I.
23 MARSH:
I thank you.
Mr. Hilbish before we started, we had a short discus-24 sion regarding the two page memo which I provided you a copy of and I'm not 25 b)l
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going to go into detail at this time, I just indicate that this memo does 2,
cover the purpose of the investigation, its scope and to some degree the 3
authority under which we are conducting it.
It also makes reference to 4
certain of your rights and on the last page are a series of questions which 5
I'd like to ask you at this time just a make them a matter of record on 6
.a tape as well as the signed copy which you've execiated.
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reads, "Do you understand the above?" meaning the two page document.
8 HILBISH:
Yes.
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11 Second question reads, "Do we have your permission to tape the interview?"
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Yes.
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16i And thirdly, would you like a copy of the tapes or transcript?
t 17 HILBISH:
Yes.
19l MARSH:
Fine, I will provide you a copy of the tape and transcript as they become avcilable.
The tape I should have in a day or two, as soon as we get back to TMI where I have the duplicating facilities, we'll run it off and get down to you.
Mr. Lufin, I guess you'll be taking part in the discussion also, so you have the same responses to the questions is there any objection to us taping the interview?
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LEFIN:
No, but I wasn't aware that I'll be part of that discussion.
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3 MARSH:
Ok, Scu're just going to be sitting in then, ok, I'll indicate then 4
in that case that one question which was not called out at the rear of the 5
memo but is covered within the body is that Mr. Hilbish, you do have a 6
right to have a company representative present and you've indicated that 7
would like Mr. Leflin to sit?
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Right.
10 11 MARSH:
Fine, thank you.
Alright then at that time, at this time then I'll turn 12
. over to Mr. Fasano I believe, you've got some questions you want to 13 begin with?
14 FASANO:
Ok John, when did you become involved with the March 28th 1979 15!
i event at Three Mile Island?
16 17 HILBISH:
8l I was notified about ten after seven on Wednesday morning, March gf 28th, at home.
that we had experienced a trip and to report here to the office.
21 FASANO:
What was your involvement ther?
23 HILBISH:
Really for the, for the first oh, ten hours or so, just tryiiig to, to help in communications, answering some specific questions for Mr.
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Geoffer who was here in the office, trying to get specific questions for 2
our company, management here, Mr. Creitz and also relaying information back 3
to the home office of GPU in Parsippany and... I was just trying to help 4
with some specific c'iestions, some status, you know, how things worked, 5
answering some specific questions about the transient.
6 FASANO:
John, who was asking questions?
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HILBISH:
g Mr. Geoffer, I had to answer one or two specific questions for 10 Bob Arnold back in Parsippany.
11 FASA%.
Do you, can you... what were these specific questions?
13' HILBISH:
All I remember one was that... you know, by around noon or so, I was doing some checking on incore thermolcouples,... trying to find the 15!
status of those... really I was just here in a support function trying 16; to, trying to help Mr. Geoffer answer any questions, you know, that were asked of him.
Later by approximately four or five o' clock, you know, in the afternoon I had gotten through to the island and specifically requested some, some more detailed information concerning the transient since one of our functions here was te assist in the communications a-d to try to help communication service help with some of the press inquiries, I had called through to Joe Logan the Unit Superintendent of Unit 2 and asked him to 23 specifically take, you know, someone that was there and hac been involved 24 and to get together and call back and give us... more details on the 25\\
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sequence of events from that morning and that, that happened about 5:00 or 2
so.
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On the question about the thermocouples, in particular, what was 5
the concern and what wa.s your :onclusion?
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HILBISH:
It was, that was just some background, some background informa-8 tion, you know, concerning the... really were the.... where did they g
print out, how were they read type things...
10 FASANo:
Not specific data?
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13 I did not do any specific readings, no.
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FASAN0:
Did you make any suggestions?
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No.
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So your part was to be an intermediate to communicate and to answer questions for Mr. Geoffer?
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HILBISH:
Yes.
Just to try to assist him, you know in any way if he had, 2 :
if he had some questions, or needed some ir. formation.
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FAJANO:
So you came i, at 7:00 approximately?
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iILBISH:
I was here by twenty of eight.
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Twenty of eight?
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HILBISH:
I was notified at home at about ten after seven.
10 11 FASANO:
And then you stood by, just to answer particular questions as Mr.
Geoffer would get them?
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That's rigLt.
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You mentioned one on the thermocouples, m ee there any otner that you had tc get involved in?
l 19f HIuBISH:
I know there were other ones, I can't think of specific questions 20' right now, it just runs together now as far as the first two days.
22 MARSH:
Were you tasked at all, Mr. Hilbish, with seeking subcontractor support either exercising subcontracts that were already established or 24 reaching out and trying to contact other people to render support?
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HILBISH:
No, no I wasn't, I wasn't personally.
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FASANO:
I ran across something in the FSAR and I wondered if they exist?
4 Vent valve thermocouples, vent valve thermocouple nozzles... in here, I'm 5
just curious.
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HILBISH:
We can check that with the difference between the units,.' don't gi think that they exist.
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10 FASANO:
That's what I've heard before, thank you.
11 MARSH:
Tony if you would, identify what it is your making the reference to 12 13 the drawing.
14 rASANO:
15 Three Mile Island, FSAR page, well actually it's figure 7.8-6,
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i 19 FASANO:
It's a drawing showing a vent valve thermocouple nozzle and it's a interesting position if there were thermal couples to lift up and tempera-tures, apparently, they don't exist, the thermal couples don't exist.
23 MARSH:
Alright, thank you.
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Your, just one or two last questions, that covers your actions 2
during the morning and then how long were you on duty, coming in at, what 3-approximately 8:00 you indicated?
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HILBISH:
Yes, just before eight.
I was here till late that evening.
g after I'd say after five, about six o' clock or so I help both on Thursday 7ll and and on Wednesday and Thursday evenings with, wi':5 communication service g
trying to answer, trying to assist them in some of the technical aspects of g
press inquiries and 'hings like that.
10 MARSH:
g Who would you have been repcrting directly to? Who were you receiving your instructions from?
2 13 HILBISH:
George Geoffer.
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And your contacts with Mr. Arnold, Mr. Arnold was where at this time, still back in the mountain lakes in Parsippany?
18l HILBISH:
Yes he was in Parsippany.
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I have no other questions.
Tony if you have.
22 FASANO:
Were you asked any questions on the spike of the reactor building high pressure spike on the first day?
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No, not at all.
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FASANO:
Was this mentioned at all, even into the evening?
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HILBISH:
No.
6 FASANO:
And you say you were here until eight, nine that night?
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Eleven-twelve.
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Eleven-twelve, oh, ok.
So even till that point no questions?
12 HILBISH:
No.
14l 15l FASAN0:
That's a long time, a long day that you put in.
Could you just go 16l through your memory again and see if any of the, if you had any questions I
on... concern for the pressurizer indications or pressure indications or 17l t
Tn, Tc, what, there was confusion I think on your temperature readings, not 18(
only on the incores but on the hot legs.
Were these addressed at all?
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Not that I recall, however, a lot of the time, as I said some of the things I was doing was trying to answer a specific questions or get 22 some specific information, available, a lot of the other time, you know, 23 two or three of us would be sitting around trying to piece together what we 24 had here and some of that may come up at that, you know may have come up at 25 89!
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that time. I, I can't remember.
Talking about Th's Tc's pressurizer level, 2
you know, I'm sure in the sequence of event that were given down here in 3
communication things like that, I'm sure that you know at one point they 4
were, we were talking about, you know, high pressurizer level.... we 5
certainly could have discussed it that day, I don't remember specifically 6l g ing, you know, questioning those areas or getting specific answers for 7
anybody in that, in that area.
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g Did you, were you, was there any evaluation done with regard to pressure, saturation temperatures?
10, 11 HILBISH:
No.
I did not do it.
13 MARSH:
I think I have covered it with the earlier questions, 'his is Marsh 15l speaking, but did you have any course to speak with B&W representatives i
during the day?
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No I didn't.
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Ok.
I think that brings it to a close i-hen if you have nothing 20!
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Oh, I'd like to say thank you Mr. Hilbish recognizing that you 21{
I' have other testimony with the state later on today, we'd like to draw this 22 one to a close to give you some time for your own business there.
We 23 appreciate you time and at this time being 8:48 a.m., I'm going to terminate 24 the tape with the reading of 271.
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