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| Issue date: | 05/22/1979 |
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s UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY CCMMISSION l
In the Matter of:
I IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW i
3 of William H. Metzger Foreman - Maintenance 4
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NRC Investigation Site TMI Nucleca Pcwer Plar 10j Middletow.-
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(Date of Interview) 13, July 3, 1979 (0 ate Transcript Typea) 14j 243 15i (Tape Numoer(s))
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NRC PERSONNEL:
221 Bob Marsh 23 Anthony N. Fasano James S. Creswell 24!
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MARSH:
The date is May 22, 1979 and the ~ ~-e is 3:05 PM and this is Bob 2
Marsh and I m an Investigator with the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 3
and we are currently in Roum 119 of the Red Roof Inn on Eisenhower Boulevard 4
in Swatara, Pennsylvania.
We are here today to conduct an interview of 5
William M. Metzger who up until April 9, Bill, if I remember right.
6 METZGER:
That's right.
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Was employed by Met Ed as a Foreman - Maintenance in the Nuclear g
Section.
Before we start Bill I want to indicate that we did discussed 0
this two page letter before I began the tape and I indicated that this letter does cover the purpose of our investigation to some degree, the authority and some of the goals and also indicated that in the body of the letter certain of your rights are discussed and one in particular is the fact that for the Met Ed employees, if they felt they war.ted a Met Ed 15!
representative present we would go ahead and bring a man in.
That does not really apply to you anymore unless you want someone from Met Ed present we can do that.
18 19 METZGER:
20 No.
21' MARSH:
Okay fine.
There are three questions at the end which you responded 22.
to and I just like to make them a matter of record on the tape and that is 23 one.
Did you understand the two page memo?
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2 1l METZGER:
Yes.
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MARSH:
And do we have your permission to tape this interview?
4 METZGER:
Yes.
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And do want a copy of the tape and transcript?
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METZGER:
Yes.
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Okay.
They will be provided to you then Bill.
Before we get started I would like the other people present in the room to each identify g
themselves, spell their last name and identify their position.
141 asan, Inspection Specialist at Region I.
ny 15 16, CRESWELL:
James S. Creswell.
I'm a Reactor Inspector out of Region III.
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YUHAS:
Gregory P. Yuhas, Radiation Specialist, Region I.
20 MARSH:
I thank you.
Bill, to get us started if you would, give us a few I
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words on your background, your experience and your duties.<ith Met Ed if 22 you would?
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METZGER:
Okay.
My only nuclear background was when I was a Shift Superin-2 tendent, stationed in Charleston Naval Shipyard.
At that time I was a 3
qualified Radiological Worker.
It was a requirement that I have that 4
qualification while employed there and that's my only nuclear background.
5 I had quite a bit of. experience with machinery, and repair machinery and my 6
last duty station where I retired from I was an Assistant Repair Officer.
7 When I retired there I happen to meet a gentlemen from Met Ed who gave me g
the opportunity to come up here and look over their plant and see if I g
would be interested in this type of work.
Which when I came up for an interview and spent a day out at Three Mile Island I was quite enthusiastic 10, then.
The opportunity to look at the plant and maybe to work there.
Well they made me an offer and I retired, I invested everything I had and I came up here.
I worked first, well first off I had my training, my necessary training to be badged to enter radiation areas etc. to be able to escort.
15; MARSH:
Bill when did you begin? When is this, what date is this?
17 METZGER: The 2nd of August,1976 is my first day on the plant.
I 191 MARSH:
All right.
Thank you.
20 21 METZGER:
After my training I learned what my duties were gonna be to start 22 off anyway.
I took over processing of work requests for Unit 1 and in that 23 task I assigned it to the various groups, mechanical, electrical, or IC 24 Utility and I indicated whether it was nuclear safety related and QC and 25 896 030
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this type of thing it goes on a normal work request.
I did this work for 2:
quite awhile and I also was introduced to Capital Projects which I wrote 3"
justification for the funding, details, estimates for the job and of course i
4 in the estimate included how much money, how many man-hours etc. etc.
When 5
Unit 2, we started accepting systems from Unit 2, then I was transferred to 6
Unit 2.
And I picked up the same task in Unit 2 as I had in Unit 1.
7 Worked several additions, I processed the work request which were fairly 8
simply at that time since we didn't have a Met Ed QC right there, you know g'
the work request at least didn't have to go through Met Ed QC.
And it was all under construction.
Again I worked Captial Projects, later on as my 10 11 experience was gained in Three Mile Island I took on things like assisting with the budget for maintenance.
Oh let met see, I wrote justification for g
additional personnel requirements.
The first that I really got involved 13 with radiation work, now most of the time you see I worked in the office.
Very seldom I even go on the plant, except the first refueling of Unit 1 15; 16.'
that I was involved in was in 1977.
At that time because my title was Maintenance Foreman - Nuclear, I moved over to Unit 1 to take over as Foreman in charge of valve repair for Leak Rate Testing, that's Containment.
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and the Auxiliary Building.
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' the completion in the refueling and 2 01 all tests satisfactory because I wel back to my own job at Unit 2.
I continued my work in Unit 2 the same as before and then when refueling for Unit 1 came about again I was once again assigned as Foreman in charge of valve repair for Leak Rate Testing.
After that job was over, let's see 24 that was in 78, after that job was over right back to Unit 2 again.
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1 completed my third refueling of Unit 1 where once again I was Foreman in i
26 charge of valve repair for Leak Rate Testing.
We started extended hours on 31 the 5th of February, 1979.
When I finished my work with Leak Rate Testing i
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I went back to a normal workday which consisted of 8 to 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> or whatever.
5 We were doing a refueling, we were compensated for our extra hours and I 6
worked sometimes as much as 18 hours2.083333e-4 days <br />0.005 hours <br />2.97619e-5 weeks <br />6.849e-6 months <br /> a day.
I finish my job, them I'd come 7
home in say in 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> the phone would ring and they'd want me to come 8
back because there was a push to get certain valves passed and of course g
I'd go back in until the job was complete.
I had gone back to the normal 10 h urs prior to this accident and then of course we were put back on long g
hours and shifts or whatever was necessary to do whatever we had to do.
During the accident, on the first day I recall we were sent into the plant as was about 9 o' clock on the 28th, they called all Supervisors to go into the plant.
15l 16l CRESWELL:
That was 9 o' clock in the morning of the 28th?
17 METZGER:
Yes.
Approximately 9 o' clock.
Then first going back at a little 18i I
19j earlier than that I arrived at the gate at about 10 after 7 and the gates were closed and the guard came over to the car and he said we have a radia-tion problem on the island you can not go in.
And apparently he knew me and knew that I was a supervisor out there and he said would you please go to the Observation Center and try to muster the people as they come in, so I did.
To the best of my knowledge I was the first white Lat there, the first supervisor.
And at that point I did start a muster list so that the 25 896 032 i
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people could muster in and we caught everybody as far as I know that came 2
in.
And then about 9 o' clock they asked the supervisors to go in, Mainten-3 ance Supervisors, so we went in, drove our private vehicles and we were in 4
approximately an hour.
Then I guess the radiation levels or air contamin-t 5'
ation was getting so high until they asked to or told us to evacuate to 6
leave the island.
So on the way out they surveyed our car and our persons 7
and so forth.
We went back to the Observation Center and later that day they released us.
The next day on the 29th, we came in and of course we 3
g met at the Observation Center and they just dismissed us, told us to go 10 home and stand by the phone, if they needed us they would call.
That was on Thursday I be'ieve or maybe Wednesday I'm not sure.
But anyway the 29th 3
g didn't go into the plant, did not work.
On the 30th, I did go in and set up shift we. k &nd I was placed on the 3 to 11 shif t and there was another fo,eman that was supposed to be on the shift with me that is Maintenance e
n, w 11 apparently he became afraid, his family was afraid and he 15 16l didn't show.
I had about 7 men T think at my disposal.
Now I was shaky, I admit I was very shaky and the reason is I didn't have the confidence that 17 I
I felt that I really needed or should have in that type of situation to i
18l control other men and direct their efforts when most of the time I sit 19l behind a desk.
I was just leary, very nervous.
At the time I go into the plant and another shift was supposed to relieve me and in a couple of cases there the shifts didn't get in until a few hours later so I was putting 10 or 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> out there.
And we would do things like moving cinder blocks into the Fuel Handling Area to use for shielding.
One night we had to do 24 some work on an evaporator in Unit 1.
We had to go some pipe rigging I 25 033
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think to hydrogen recombiner, we actually didn't run any pipe t,'at we had I
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some connections to make.
We had to run some hoses from the Fuel Pool in l
3l Unit 1 over to the Fuel Pool in Unit 2 so that we had the Borated Water 4
available..And of course that was rigging pumps and so forth.
Plus those 5
other little jobs that we had to do, we had tar.k trucks out there, we had 6
to rig hoses to them.
But I don't think that it was but maybe two nights 7
at the most that I worked without any support, another support frcm a Mechanical Maintenance Foreman.
Then they did put another man on shift 8
g with me and all his time had been spent out in the plants so you Know of 10 course I relaxed to a certain degree and after they had adequate foremen 3,
out there they put me back in my old job and I worked with our QC people in i
try*ng to devise a way that we, we meaning Met Ed would have some type of Control and know what's going on ar far as modifications goes.
So we had the tool in the work request but the way that they wanted to handle it, we wouldn't have any hold on, we really wouldn't know.
So with the Manager of 16l:
QC out of Reading we worked this out and submitted letters and so forth which was approved so that we, that it would pass through us and we would 17 give it numbers so that we could always identify as what wa~s going on.
18 That's one of the tasks but anyway I was still on that shift and at that particular time my work was conducted more or less from Trailer City at that time.
I did have to make a few trips into the plant to check out parts and materials whatever.
But we had a company vehicle at that time so 22 there was ne problem going off and on.
I guess what I'm really building up to is to why I resigned.
And it's an opinion type thing and in my opinion 24 I had no choice and I believe my supervisor had most of his people assigned 25l 896 034 i
8 1-to working in the plant in Maintenance and I was left over more or less.
2 You know I was pushing paper and this type thing which was important but 3
they had the task and I knew it had to be done, it was very important and 4
that was to change the charcoal filters in the Auxiliary Building.
I was 5
assigned as a Met Ed Coordinator to work with a Engineer from Duke Power 6
Company and to coordinate our efforts along with his to, well more or less, 7
to support him in the effort of changing these filters.
But it got a 8
little more detail than I expected as just being e. Coordinator.
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asked my bass, I said do yuu want me to be the Foreman on the job also and 10 he said yes.
That's when I started getting quite concerned.
One thing Met 11 Ed, in the Mechanical Maintenance Group we didn't have maybe for'" people available or less and I was concerned where we would get the people to do 13 the job and just what all was involved in this particular job.
And then I was working quite closely with that engineer and a few other people from
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er compades, you how engineen.
And de M rst job I had was to H nd 15 16l ut just what filters in the plant were charcoal and to see if we had them on hand so I done the research on that and found out that we did have I believe it was 98 charcoal filters on hand.
The engineer from Duke Power, he didn't know anything about them either, that is where they were located 19l other than by prints.
And the same with me, now I've been assigned to Unit 2 and I had the opportunity to walk all over the plant before startup.
Since startup I have not, other than the Turbine Building and Control Room but I can not visualize where the filters were located and I knew that the 23 Auxiliary Building was quite contaminated.
In and out of discussion of the job we discussed using the air line hose mask, we'd get compressors and i
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we'd get the hoods and this type of thing so that we could work in there.
2 The estimate at first was 3 days to.:omplete this job.
We estimated thirty-3 six (36) men so that we could work 12 at a time and having others standing g
by, not 12 at a time, but 12 on a shift and maybe work 6 at a time, 6 5
standing by and shift off and the next shift would do the same thing.
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what frightened me to a degree that really put me in, I don't know, a very nervous state, unstable to my say.
There was a lot of stress, was due to 7
the fact that we were gonna get people from Penn Elec to do the job.
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gonna be the only Met Ed employee there and in the past most of my experience g,
had been behind a desk.
I did not feel confident or capable to lead 36 0
people into this Auxiliary Building to change these filters.
Rather than saying no I'm not gonna do the job I simply submitted a letter of resignation.
I was not conna subject myself which we had estimated 6 to 10 rem to the job in i 3 day period but I think the job, mv own personal estimate would 15l; be 10 days plus but again I wasn't a degree engineer.
And again I wasn't i
fami'.iar with the area or familiar with the units that contained the filters.
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So I was not going to subject myself and the people from Penn Elec who was 17 not at all familiar with Three Mile Island period and never been around 1Sj radiation aress although they were gonna get their training and we were 39l gonna set up a mockup on handling the filters in which they weighed 130 i
20 pounds each.
There was 90 filters in each unit and if we would of changed 8
21 both units, it would of been a 180 filters and I knew darn well that we 22 were not gonna loosen the filters that were installed and t.uild some type 23 of scaffaldirig in that close area and replace 90 filters in three days.
24 And under the working conditions that we were gonna be under, so I just 25j i
resigned.
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10 FASANO:
Bill, did you talk to your supervisor?
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METZGER:
No.
I did not.
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FASANO:
Did you have a reason why?
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METZGER:
7 He knew and he told me he said I knew you were quite upset and disturbed about the whole thing.
I did not disuss with him about using the 8
Penn Elec people or working for an engineer that was not familiar with i
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I just didn't want any part of it.
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111 CRE'WELL:
Do you have any idea why Met Ed had to get an engineer from Duke
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Power Compar.y to do this job?
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The only thing I, I guess all these companies were offering any assistance that they can give Met Ed and what engineers we had I'm sure 16!
I they had plenty of jobs for all of them.
Especially the ones that worked
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i 191 CRESWELL:
Do you feel that there was a Met Ed engineer that was familiar 20 wit' the unit?
21 22 METZGER:
Oh definitely.
And there was also some foremen that was familiar 23 with the job, in fact they had removed some of these before.
Now these 24 were Utility Foremen that had actually been in there and they knew where 25 i
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they were, they knew what it's all about taking these loose.
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normall; sty function, and not a Mechanical Maintenance function.
My i4. visor said chat I was available.
He was glad that I was available but 3{
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just in no cor.lition to be assigned that task.
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CRESWELL:
What was your main conca n about doing the task? What was the 7
source of your anxiety about doing it?
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I suppose the biggest thing was the experienced personnel and if g
I w uld 10 f hid Met Ed people I don't think I'd had anything else cause I knew that they were trained.
They knew where the units were.
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3 Was, I'm trying to get to a point in like, was your concern that some of these might get overexposed?
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METZGER:
Yes and then I was responsible.
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I felt that that was my full responsibility for those people.
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did not want that responsibility.
I was more or less a desk man and very 21 little experience out in the plant, particriarly in a high radiation area.
They assigned, in fact the last meeting that I went to my mind was pretty much made up there tr it I was gonna resign, that I wasn't gonna do this job 24 25l and when I went into to see my supervisor I, and to give him a run down on 896 038 t
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the meeting I gave him my letter of resignation.
I didn't give him a two-2 week notice, I told him effective now.
He called an individual to relieve 3
me and for me to give him a run down on all previous meetings and what was 4
planned and just what's going on.
This individual was one that that when 5
the accident started, he was frightened and he left the area.
By a week and a half later or a week later he came back.
He had not been assigned a 6
task yet in a way he was gonna relieve me.
From heresay, I understand that 7
he refused to do the job, somebody else had to pick it up after all.
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no, I suppose that was a mistake for me not to discuss this at length with g
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What is your supervisors name?
13 METZGER:
Dan Shovlin was the individual that I was talking to and I have
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nothing against Dan.
He's a fine individual and he is a awful hard worker.
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Do you have any idea of why Met Ed would use inexperienced personnel to perform a task like this?
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Yes, because I didn't think Met Ed had the sufficient people to 20' burn out that quickly.
21, 22 CRESWELL:
So there...
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METZGER:
In other words, we had just completed a fueling in Unit 1 and cur 2
people were carrying a good many MR as it is.
And to put them in this area 3
w uld wipe them out in a day or less.
And then we'd be, we'd still have a 4
lot of tasks to do and we wouldn't have any people to do it with.
So I'm 5
sure you know, I don't criticize Met Ed for it, but I guess I do criticize 6
them for assigning me the job, an inexperienced individual to supervisor inexperienced personnel.
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On you feel Met Ed had an alternative way of doing things?
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As far as I'm concerned, they had one.
I mean me personnally.
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And that would be, what would the alternative be?
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To use one of the supervisors that was familiar with the area and 15j l
familiar with the filters.
16' 17l CRESWELL:
And what about as far as the crew is concerned?
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I don't think they had any alternative there.
I really don't but 20l 21 i
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But they didn't have any alternative but to use the inexperienced 23 Penn Elec?
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METZGER:
The people from Penn Elec I'm sure but with a supervisor that 2
knew what it was all about I think that the job could of been done.
3 MARSH:
Just to clear up one area for the future, you indicate that some of 4
5 these people may have been wiped out, which you're making reference to if I 6j understand it right would be their bank or their allotment and 11 it of radiation that they can accur?
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That is right.
That is right.
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So by having, so by filling up that a!lotment they would then not be able to be work in radiation areas.
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Work in radiation areas.
That's right.
They'd be used to their
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Also, who was the individual that initially replaced you?
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Al Conrad, he was a Mainte1ance Foreman - Nuclear.
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i back in my mind another thing that really made up my mind, was that when I 20t came to work for Met Ed they didn't have a position M r what I was gonna be 21 doing, the type work that I was gonna be doing.
I was gonna be hired as a 22 Maintenance Foremen - Nuclear until they wrote me a job description.
Well 23 hell that was three years ago and I was still a Maintenar. e Foreman and I 24 felt that they were letting me do what they wanted and yet when they needed 25 896 041 t
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somebody out in the plant, I was the Maintenance Foreman Nuclear, so away 2
from the desk I went out to the plant.
And most of the time my desk work 3
just sat until I got back.
They told me three years ago or nearly three 4
years ago that they were gonna give me a title, well they never did.
I was 5
gr wing kind of impatient too and maybe this was a straw that broke the 6
camels back.
I did not feel qualified, I wasn't going to do the job.
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What was your relationship with Mr. Shovlin before the event g
occurred?
Did you have a good relationship, a good working relationship?
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Oh yes, yes.
Dan's a fine individual to work for, he really is.
3 But the thing about Dan, he's so darn busy all the time, until you talk to g
him he don't seem to hear what you're saying and I told Dan twice, Dan I g
g don't think I want to do this job.
He did not respond to that on either occasion.
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Could you give us, fix those in time force when you told Mr.
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Shovlin that you didn't want to do the job?
Is that a week before you 18l quit, a few days before you quit?
19 20 METZGER:
I think the first time, let's see the 9th, I don't remember just what day the 9th was on but it was a couple of days prior to that that I was assigned to the job and to the best of my memory I told him the day after my initial assignment to that task and the day after that so it was 24 on two occasions I mentioned it to him but I got no response and he just 25; 896 042
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He had a job to do and he wanted to 2
get it done and I suppose if I'd of been in his shoes I may have done the 3
same thing, I don't know that.
4 YUHAS:
I'd like to digress a little bit.
I wonder if you could begin by 5
6 telling me the health physics or radiation protection training that you 7
were initially given an employment with Metropolitan Edison?
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Okay.
I had the four hours of video-tape, that was very first g
that was quite simply that was just to get badged that was not the RWP part 10 of it just to get badged and I had the four hours.
I was familiar with that because when I worked in the Shipyard as a Radiological Worker, we had basically the same thing.
And the only thing at the Shipyard, we had it about every 6 months and we had better keep ourselves up on it due to the fact that Mr. Richover, he'd come into the Shipyard and I want this Officer, i
this Officer, and this Officer to be this spot at a certain time and he'd 16j give you an exam and you better pass it.
So everytime that our training center came out with a new hand out to study, boy we asked for it and we kept it and everytime we were sitting at our desk and we didn't have anything 19!
to do special, you'd see the officer there briefing themselves, update and 20!
you'd better have the answer or he would just throw one of the darnest fits 21 you ever saw.
Allright.
After I was there a couple of days they had 22 a class on what they call the Intermediate RWP Training and I went to that 23 class.
That was a full day or more, this is where they went to the suit 24 up, just the whole works you might say, it was a full day but again I had 251 896 043
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n prolem with that because that was also in our Shipyard training which 2
ur Shipyard training by the way lasted more than a day, maybe even a week.
3 That's really the extent of it other than your one half a day, it used to 4j be a day and then they cut it down to a half day for general employee 5
training where you were reviewed and all of this.
Now one thing I did was 6
I kept notes from when I did go to the c1rsses.
And occasionally, you know 7
sitting back at a desk and not really subjected to a day after day like m st of the people, I had to pull these out and review them.
Even just to 8
revie.1 how many MRs was I allowed quarterly and so forth.
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these things you didn't use and you, they'd slip your mind.
10 11 CRESWELL:
Did ycu review those notes when you were given the task to replace these filters?
14l METZGER:
No I did not because I couldn't get to them.
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YUHAS:
Did you participate in an annual retraining of health physics?
18 METZGER:
No no.
The only retraining that I done was the, as I stated 19 earlier the one day that they used to give general employee training where 20f everybody was involved but retraining on health physics no.
21 1 22 YUHAS:
Did you participate in any of the HP training that was given to the 23 Mechanical Maintenance Department throughout the year, and this would be 24 like for emergency training?
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METZGER:
No.
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YUHAS:
Did you have any assigned function within the emergency organi-3 zation?
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No.
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YUHAS:
8 I maybe misinterrpreting you but I'm getting the general impression that you don't have confidence in Metropolitan Edison's health physics g
department for radiation protection department.
Is that a correct assump-10 tion on oy part?
12 METZGER:
Just fror.. ne personnally, and I'm observing the other people, the people that are subjected to radiation areas frequently.
They seem to 15l really know what they are doing and the HP people seem to be good.
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worked with them during refueling and I had no complaints with the people.
You know when they surveyed an area and they said this is what you're gonna have I felt very confident with them.
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CRESWELL:
During the course of the time of the event or between that time and the time that you left Met Ed, did you see certain things happen or did 21 you discuss with fellow workers things that had happened that caused you 22 concern about the exposures people were incurring or the contamination that 23 they were receiving?
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METZGER:
No.
I didn't discuss with the levels of radiation with other 2) personnel and I wasn't too highly concerned about it really until I was 3
assigned that particular task and then I became very much concerned with 4
it.
You know 6 to 10 rems for an entire job which is supposed to take 5
three days which ended up taking much longer and I figured it would and I 6
figured we would pick up 12, 14, 20 rems.
7 CRESWELL:
That's total for all the people?
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Yeh that's just total accumulation I think.
10 11 CRESWELL:
For everybody?
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Which probably would of been to bad.
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16 requests right and you did categorize them as to whether that you need HP, 17 whether you need QA, did you feel confident in going down the check sheet 18l l
and saying this requires so many men, this requires a procedure, this 19{
requires a work an RWP, this is what you did and did you feel confident in 20l 21;[
saying which ones were required for RWP and which weren't?
22 METZGER:
Allright.
Let's break that up into two categories Tony.
One would be where the work request was initiated by Mr. X out in the field or 24 anybody in the plant and it came to me where I assigned work request number.
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20 I said this is a nuclear safety related, RWP required, a procedure for RWP, is it QC, is it nuclear safecy related and so forth.
I marked those and I done it to the best of my ability.
Did I feel confidence on everytime I marked one, the answer is no.
I did not and on many cases particularly whether it was nuclear safety related or not, now in Unit 2 I did have a guide SP-88 which is put out by Burns and Roe and this gave us a pretty good guide whether it was nuclear safety related or not.
I used this and I marked it accordingly.
Now I got a lot of guff from the supervisors in the instrument group maybe an electrical but usually a mechanical I didn't have 9
any problems there but they'd say no, it's not nuclear safety related.
10 Okay, well the nuc river system is nuclear safety related in accordance 11l with SP-88.
Allright but if it's a small valve that's say located in the 12l Auxiliary Building it's not even a hot area maybe.
They'd say, no, this is 13 a little old superfluous valve, it's not nuclear safety related.
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says nuc river water is nuclear safety related period.
It don' t say valve 15i l
umpty ump is not, it just says it is, so I marked them that way.
As fai as 16 QC that was pretty much cut and dry.
I had a list there that told whether 17 it was QC or not.
But again we would deal with some areas that would.not 18' mark it nuclear safety relai.cd well the engineer would say beh that is 19 nuclear safety related, but how did I know it was nuclear safety related, 20 my book don't say it's nuclear safety related.
Allright, for example it 21 may be a radiation monitor.
My book says that there not even QC and there 22 certainly not listed as nuclear safety related but in some cases they 23 probably are.
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21 If FASANO:
So you followed your guidance, you followed what you had at hand.
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That's right.
4 5f FASANO:
And even w;th what you had, you had question as t.o whether they 6
were safety related or not safety related.
7 METZGER:
Yes.
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10 FASANO:
Oid anybody check your decisions on when you marked these other than?
11, 12 METZGER:
Yes they did.
Now if I marked an item as being QC, it's under 3
Quality Control.
Then if I marked it being no nuclear safety related, whereas I said it's n t nuclear safety related but it is under a quality 15 16l Control.
This Work Request had to go to the Unit Superintendent for his l
i signaturo to concur that that was not nuclear safety related.
Now if I marked it QC and nuclear safety related that told the supervisor in the g,
Maintenance group that that had to have a station or unit approved procedure 19[
to go to work on.
In other words, approved procedure I mean a PORC approved 20 procedure.
22 FASAN0:
So you had double checks?
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Yes.
If it was just QC then didn't necessarily need a PORC 2
approved procedure, but still the signature of the unit superintendent had 3
to be on it.
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Did you at any time have any of your decisions reversed regarding 6
classification of nuclear safety related items?
7 METZGER:
Seldom.
I did have some but very seldom.
/,nd usually it was 8
gl done on the engineers level when the Work Request happen to get through to him.
10l 11l CRESWELL:
Were these items that were on the SP-88 list?
13 METZGER:
No.
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marked.
Now, I'm a human being and I'll make errors, agreed and I may have made some in that area.
In fact I'm sure I did but...
I 18j CRESWELL:
19l But you have been reversed on the classification of some nuclear safety related items.
Do you recall any of those more significant ones of those?
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No.
No I don't recall any particular ones.
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MARSH:
Just a small point but before we get to far away from it.
You used 2
the term PORC approved, is that PORC, P 0 R C?
l 31, METZGER:
Yes.
4 5
MARSH:
You don't know the definition of that, do you?
6 7
METZGER:
Tony knows that.
It's the Plant Operation Review Committee.
8 9
MARSH:
Allright.
Thank you.
10 11 CRESWELL; Okay.
I'd like to go back in time to the day of the event and that was the time that you went up to the Observation Center.
Were you the first one there on the plant side staff at the Observation Center?
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I did not observe any other supervisors there but myself.
I 16j didn't say there was none there, I jud didn't observe any but I did see a lot of the Bargaining Unit people there and they were beginning to get tcgether, and talk and then I got some paper and starting passing it out 191 and I asked for names, department and their employee number.
21, CRESWELL:
New the Bargaining Unit people, is this a union type of thing?
22 23 METZGER:
Yes, that's the union people.
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Did they have a meeting scheduled there that morning?
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No no.
They were told from the gate to report there, this is 3l 4
normal procedure in case of strikes, etc. you know we have to report to the Observation Center.
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And there were some individuals already there by the time you 7
g t there?
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But you did take control of the Observation Center whenever you got there? And you stayed there until about 9 o' clock?
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Yes it was around 9 o' clock.
15' 16 CRESWELL:
Okay.
Could you briefly describe what happened while you were 17
-w' there beyond your making out or passing around the list of names and so forth?
191 20 METZGER:
As they got some information from the plant on just what was going on, they did call the employees together and give us a brief of just 22 what had happened.
Well I don't know if it was just what had happened but 23 they did tell us there was some contamination around.
I don't want to go 24 into details about that because I don't recall for sure.
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Gentlemen, I'm going to interrupt for a minute.
The time being 2
3:50 PM with 686 on the meter and I'm gonna terminate this tape and turn it 3
ver.
4 MARSH:
Okay.
We are resuming at this time.
The time still being 3 50 PM, 5
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7 CRESWELL:
8 Do you recall who conducted the briefing in the Observation Center?
g 10 METZGER:
No I really don't.
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Okay.
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I don't remember who done that.
It was one of several people but 15; I'd hate to say for sure.
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Did you get a phone call from someone to come on down on site?
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The Observation Center did, they got a phone call and they asked 20[
for all Maintenance Supervisors to report on the island.
21 22 CRESWELL:
Okay.
Then you went on down through the security check point, 23 north gate or south gate?
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We went through the North Gate.
2 CRESWELL:
Okay.
Were you stopped there?
Did you drive your car in?
3 4!
METZGER:
Yes.
5 6
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Okay.
Were you stopped at the Gate?
8 METZCER:
Just for our normal type thing like giving our badge number.
g 10l CRESWELL:
Okay.
And then you went on down to the Processing Center?
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Yes.
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What happen whenever you got to the Processing Center?
i 16i METZGER:
At that point we went out to a Machine Shop and then I attempted along with one of the other supervisors to go to the Unit 2 Control Room to try to find out was going on, what can we do and I didn't make it to the 19j Control Room, there was a security guard there at the stairway leading up and I don't recall who came down the stairway but they said it's no use to 21' go up in there.
You're not gonna find out anything that their 1diation 22 levels were getting pretty high, airborne and so they told us to go to the 23 Auditorium at Unit 1 and that's where we all went and then we finally got 24 the word to get out.
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What was going on or what did you observe after you left Unit 2 2
going ever to Unit I?
3 4f METZGER:
Absolutely nothing.
There was nothing going on.
A very few 5
pe ple, in fact I don't recall seeing anybody except the people that came l
61 in with me and security people.
7 CRESWELL:
Did you see any health physics technicians outside monitoring or a'i anything like that? Did you notice a health physics technician up at the g
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Yes.
Not when I came in.
I'm not saying that he wasn't there i
but he certainly was there when we went out, in fact we were monitored, we were scanned before we went left the Service Building and went into the I
Security Building we were scanned.
And that monitored if you prefer..
- 151, And then we were monitored, our vehicle was monitored and than we went from t;'ere to the 500 KV Substation where our vehicle and personnel was monitored once again.
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And there was no contamination detected at either point?
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No.
22, 23 CRESWELL:
At the gate or at the 500 KV Sub?
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No no.
2 3
CRESWELL:
Did you secure a TLO?
4 5
METZGER:
That's one point I did want to bring up but it's not a fault of 6
Metropolitan Edison, it's a fault of myself.
My last day that I worked in 7
my office which was in a Trailer located on the East side of the corridor between Unit 1 and Unit 2.
I left my TLD in my drawer, my desk, therefore 8
g when I first came in to Security Building where we're supposed to pick up TLD's I didn't have one and I wasn't the only individual that didn't.
So 10 we went out into the Machir.e Shop and I was concerned because I didn't have g
my TLD.
So, anyway a couple of us were gonna walk down to the Control Room to find out what's going on and what we can what can we do to help them and g
I did stop by my office and picked my TLD at that time which was 40 feet off the corridors.
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Bill, was it general practice for people to take their TLD home with them and also to leave them in their desk because they only had to put 19ll them in say once a month?
20 METZGER:
Well i don't know if was general or not Tony but I know a lot of I
people that did and a lot of them just forgot.
In my case I always followed 22 regulations pretty well I thought but that's just one time that I forgot 23 and there it was and I needed it.
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There,<as no general rack where they were kept, I mean there l
2r wasn't any ;ystem where you sorted of had to out them away before you left 3
the site?
4l METZGER:
Yes.
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There is?
8 METZGER:
Yes.
It's located inside the Security Building.
g 10 FASANO:
But that would be voluntary?
12 METZGER:
Yes.
More or less if you'd pick it up in the morning nobody I
checked it as far as I know that night to see whether it was there or not.
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There was no followup on it to the hast of my knowledge.
But everybody knew what they were supposed to do.
17 CRESWELL:
Let me make sure I understand that no guard or health physicist 18l challenged you for not having a TLD?
20!
METZGER:
No.
21, 22 CRESWELL:
At any time while you were on the island?
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No.
But I was there just a few minutes and I went down and I got i
2 my TLD.
In fact, I went through the Machine Shop and then we went directly 3
to towards the Unit 2 Control Room and I just walked out of the door from 4,
the corridor into my office and picked the TLD up.
5 CRESWELL:
So how much time would you estimate that you 'did not have the 6
7 TLD with you?
8 METZGER:
8 minutes.
Because that was very important to me to get that.
g 10 Another thing that was not available to me when I went into the plant was a dosimeter, self reader.
They were not available, it just so happens as I was walking down towards Unit 2, we saw an HP man, a HP Foreman and he just returned from the Unit 1 HP area and then this other fellow with me says g
heh, can we get a self reader, he said just a minute, he went back in, he came out with the self reader, so I had my dosimeter and that was probably 15l a period of 4 minutes a or 5 minutes from the time I entered that area.
And then about 3 more minutes I hart my TLD so then I was satisfied at that point.
19 YUHAS:
Can you describe for me the medical significance of an exposure of 3 Rem?
21 22 METZGER:
The medical significance, no I can't..
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What's the effect it would have on it?
2 3
YUHAS:
Do you have any idea of what effect an exposure of 3 Rem has?
4 5
METZGER:
Probably none to the average individual or at least immediately.
6l FASANO:
Bill, when you were doing the Work Request checks, we went through 7
g the categorization, quality assurance and/or safety related or not safety related.
How about the requirement for a Radiation Work Permit RWP, did g
y u have to check that?
10 11 METZGER:
Yes.
g 13 FASAN0:
Okay.
Once you on Unit 2 I understand you know during the Pre-Op there wouldn't be any.
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No.
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Now once it got, once Unit 2 got its license, did you feel confi-dent in putting requirements as it RWP as a necessity?
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If I knew where the component was listed on a Work Request I felt confident, due to the fact that I normally called HP and I said what areas 23 in Unit 2 requires RWP and they'd tell me.
As the plant went up in power 24 25 and so forth I didn't make these phone calls every day because I got to l
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knowing more likely in the Auxiliary Building they will require an RWP and 2
so on.
I played it safe you might say as far as RWP goes and the Work 3
Request because I marked quite a few yes and when the Work Request got to 4
the pecola that were gonna do the work it was determined at that point no.
5 Now just prior to me resigning from Met Ed we got into a discussion with QC 6
and the discussion had to do with RWP markings on the Work Request.
If I'd 7
marked it yes, QC's telling me then every Tom, Dick and Harry don't have g
the authority to change that and make it a no which this was going on.
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know the foreman and we would get the Work Request and they'd say you don't 10 need a RWP or either he didn't change it or bother to get it changed, he 3
just wouldn't put any RWP number on the i1rk Request and the Work Request has a place for the RWP number.
So QC'; saying if you don't have a RWP 12 13 number and it's marked yes an RWP is required then we got to have it in writing and procedures somewhere giving people authority to change it saying no, then in the RWP number area on the Work Request can be put there 15 16,!
and it would be legal.
I had no problems with that so I wrote up a temporary, not a temporary but a permanent change notice on that TCN and everybody looked at it and we all agreed upon it and I left before that went to the PORC review.
19j 20 CRESWELL:
Did you say a TCN indicating a temporary change notice or?
22 METZGER:
No it's PCR.
I'm sorry I probably did say TCN but it's a PCR, a Permanent Change is what I wrote up.
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Okay.
Do you have indications that on Work Requests that you noted that there should be a Work Permit issued on that the work was done 2l 3
without health physics monitoring?
In other words, on the Work Request do 4
you check that you need a Radiation Work Permit? Do you have knowledge or 5
indication that work was done then without that Radiation Work Permit?
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METZGER:
No, because in fact even though I marked it saying it needed an 8
RWP one may not have been required.
That could of been that it was an g
error on my part of not knowing where every particular valve was or every 10 particular instrument but I played it safe.
If I thought by looking in my 11 ks telling me what the instrument is, whether it's QC or not and its b
location, to me I said beh to go to that area you need an RWP.
But when y u really got down to doing the job it was not in a hot area at all so 3
they didn't need HP.
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So the Foreman would make the, the Maintenance Foreman would make the decision whether he needed an RWP.
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More or less.
19l 20' CRESWELL:
And this was a common type of occurrence.
22 METZGER:
Yes and I would have no hang ups with that because I don't think there's an individual out at that plant that could mark everyone of those 24' things perfectly, I just don't believe that.
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FASANO:
On your Change Request your Permanent Change Request, was this to 2
get within the system another check on what Work Requests required an RWP?
3 4
METZGER:
No Tony, it simply stated it gave the Supervisor authority to 5
change the marking on the Work Request where if it was marked RWP required 6
Yes, this PCR gave him authority to chang? that after he has investigated a 7
job that a RWP is not required then he can change it and RWP number is not 8
required on the Work Request.
9 FASANO:
You said investigate it.
Who would he have to investigate with if 10 you had marked it requiring an RWP?
g 12 METZGER:
An HP.
14 FASANO:
He would have to go to HP.
So what you put, it sounds like to me 15; that you put in the health physics people to get involved wherever there was a job a Work Request that which included a possibility for Radiation Work Permit.
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No.
In the PCR he didn't mention health physics at all.
But it's a normal procedure that when they investigate a job that HP does get 21, involved when the people have to go in and check out a job, investigate a 22 job.
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FASANO:
But they wculd only go in there if there was a need for a Work for 2-a RWP is that correct?
If you'd had marked No, they wouldn't get involved?
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METZGER:
That's right.
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FASANO:
And in fact if you'd had marked No and it needed an RWP how would 7
that get caught?
8 METZGER:
Hopefully by the Foreman that's gonna be in charge of the job.
g 10 And they were good about that.
11 FASANO:
The PCR the Permanent Change Request, do you know a number on that, do you have a number do you recall?
3 14!
METZGER:
No, it was not numbered yet.
15 16 FASANO:
Okay.
So it's just in the ready for PORC to review.
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Right.
But my memory serves me correctly it was a change for 19l Procedure 1401.7 or 1407.1 it's one of the two, it's a new procedure on the new type Work Request...
22 FASANO:
Job Ticket.
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Yes, job ticket.
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Oh it's still at the old 1201 there.
4 5
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We got a four pager now.
It's a good Work Request now I've 6
worked with it I filled them out, I processed them and I physically worked 7
with them on the plant, I had no hang ups with them.
8 CRESWELL:
Bill, correct me if I'm wrong but at one point during our conver-g 10 sation, you mentioned that during the accident there was a certain effect 11 n y ur family is that correct?
12 METZGER:
Oh definitely.
13 14; CRESWELL:
Since you been involved in that accident type of situation and 15 since this may of be a benefit in evaluating peoples performance under 16 situations like that could you go into the effect that this accident had on g
your family?
18l 19 20 said when we see you packing up then we're gonna pack up too.
But they never did see me pack up.
When they started talking evacuation, we, my wife and I, just plain undecided you know, what action to take and the company was not telling the employees everything that was going on, we didn't know, we learned from the news media and after a few days some of 896 063 i
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the Bargaining Unit went to some of management and said heh, we ought to 1
2.
know, we're out there working and so management said okay we're gonna get 3
the word to you and they started publishing the Trailer City News, which 4l still did not give us what we really wanted to know.
So you know neighbors 5
asking me, my family's asking me what's going on, I don't really know.
You 6
know I'd get upset, what about the bubble, in the Control Room.
I don't 7
think I ever found anybody who really told me anything about the bubble, 8
you know what dangers involved out here, they didn't know so I couldn't tell my family.
But yet I was going to work everyday in the every evening.
g 10 And anyway it got down to the point they started evacuation, and the wife she was working downtown Harrisburg and me working at the island, they g!
closed the schools.
g I have one girl in High School and one in Elementary School and we didn't want them to stay nome all day alone because it may
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have been an evacuation, a major evacuation, then I'd of been there, she'd 14 of been at work and the kids home alone so her mother and father live about 15j 16l 120 miles away so we called them and her brother met us at about midway, met her because I was at work and they kept the girls for about 4 or 5 days till things slacked off and then we went down and picked them up.
But the, it was an emotional thing, it was it's just like I really don't know how to describe it, like I was in a Science Fiction Movie, I was watching it on TV 20' or something but yet was in it, it just didn't seem possible that something like that would happen to us.
22 23 CRESWELL:
It was an unreal situation.
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It was just unreal.
I've been in the Navy 21 years and when that 2
Unit went down I said my ship just sank.
You know I was so letdown but yet 3
deep in my mind and I'm sure you guys being in the business and as many 4
plants that's operating now the assumption that you just keep saying there's 5
gonna be an accident somewhere and I know I was thinking about this seriously 6
not over a week before the accident, I said this is gonna be one it's 7
getting too many plants, it's bound to happen.
And I said God I hopes it's not us.
But it was.
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YUHAS:
Why did you have that feelir.g?
10 11 METZGER:
g Because it's just more and more plants all the time and I don't know.
Really I don't know.
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Is is beca;se you lacked some faith in the engir._ered safety systems 151 16l or the fact that things were inadequate?
17 METZGERi Well I know.
No.
I felt very confident in the Safeguards Systems i
in the Nuclear Industry but I've been with machiney for 21 years and I 19{
don't give a damn how good it is, it can fail.
If it's man-made it can 20 fail but I never really thought that as many back ups that we got that 2 11 something like this would happen.
23 YUHAS:
To make the point clear then your anxiety was not based on pre-241 25l conceived notion as the funtion of your job description?
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METZGER:
No.
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YUHAS:
At Metropolitan Edison.
4 5
METZGER:
No.
6 CRESWELL:
You did not know of safety defects in the plant?
7 8
METZGER:
g I knew of some, at first of course they exposed themselves and we corrected it.
10 11 CRESWELL:
There were no safety defects existing that you were aware of?
13 METZGER:
None, no.
15j MARSH:
I've got a question for you.
Was your previous experience with the refueling on Unit 1 and your experiences with the incident here at Unit 2.
We've discussed a little about the importance of the exposure bank that l
these people work frcm and the management of their exposure.
That's a 19!
fairly blunt question but at any time do you know of any games being played with dual counting being done in order to preserve a man his working capa-bility, if he began to approach his limits were in some matter his records were adjusted so that they could get more use out of him?
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I don't know of a single case of that happening.
In fact I 2.
haven't even heard of it aeing suggested.
I know for a fact that in the 3
Mechanical Maintenance group vthich the people I work with, that they tried 4.
to keep a very cicse tally on their people and when their individuals 5
getting pretty high, reaching his maximum they would keep him out of the 6
areas and put other people in there with lower.
So maybe that's one of the 7
t.hings that my supervisor had in mind, you know I was pretty level.
Said g
to this guy, you know heh, this man is pretty high.
I 9l CRESWELL:
10 You mentioned earlier you didn't feel like you were being apprised of the situation as well as you could, do you feel you were the only one 3
that felt that way or were there fellow workers of yours that felt the same 13 14!
METZGER:
I think the fellow workers felt that way too.
But we were company.
15I We watched our mouth, we didn't go up to a manager and said heh we demand to know, we got to know but the Bargaining Unit people did.
They told men, we want to know, and I was standing right there and heard-them talk and i
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management said yes we're gonna give you some information.
Soon they did 19l but still I said maybe they were telling us all they knew.
I don't know.
But the news media knew a hell of lot more than we did if it was right and in most cases, allright some cases I don't think it was.'
23 CRESWELL:
Well in retrospect from what you know now, were you getting 24 adequately informed about the situation at the plant?
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No.
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CRESWELL:
When you mentioned that the Barg,'.ining Unit went to management I
4 and talked to them, who -in management did they talk to?
5 6-METZGER:
Jack Herbein.
7 CRESWELL:
And the Bargaining Unit representative would of been what indi-g viddal?
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g He was a First Class Repairman by the name of Charlie Moyer.
And Jack agreed, he said yes you guys should have more information and I'm g
gonna get it to y0u.
14 CRESWELL:
Did the situation improve then?
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Yes, it improved.
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19f Was it sufficient to improvement as far as you're concerned?
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No.
21 22 CRESWELL:
The main vehicle for this information was the Trailer City News?
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METZGER:
Yes.
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CRESWELL:
Nothing else?
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METZGER:
No.
Not to my knowledge, not while I was working in the plant.
6 CRESWELL:
Do you remember what day that meeting between the Bargaining 7
8 Unit and management took place?
9 METZGER:
No, no I don't.
10 11 CRESWELL:
Could you roughly estimate how many days into the incident it was?
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I'd roughly estimate 3 days maybe 4.
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At this time, we'd like to ask you if you have any comments that you would like to make of any nature and that would include comments about Met Ed, comments about NRC or any other comment that you feel would be I
appropriate that might help other individuals or other companies to cope 20' with a situation like occurred here.
21 22 METZGER:
Well in my knowledge of the nuclear industry, I think Met Ed has 23 done a good job, I really and sincerely think they have and I think they 24 had good procedures, I think they tried to follow procedures.
I think the 25 i
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NRC has done the upmost in making the plant safe but again I say it's 2.
equipment, machine-ies involved and individuals that man and I don't care 3
how technical a person is, there can be mistakes.
And you just can not 4
have a mock-up that would, which you could subject to an instant like we 5
had and get all the answers I just don't.
As far as nuclear power I think 6
we need it and I'm still for it but I'm just not gonna work there anymore.
7 But I don't think that anybody or any individual is at fault.
I certainly don't think the NRC is.
I've had some dealings with them and they been 8
g more than helpful and Met Ed engineers, I think they're a top notch bunch 10 f pe ple I really do and most of the individuals that work out there I 11 think they're very dedicated to their jobs, their position.
It's just that I lived under pressure in the Navy for 21 years and I'll be darn if I was g
g nn d it if I didn't have to any longer.
13 14, CRESWELL:
I want to ask you a question and you really don't have to answer 15; it if you don't.want to.
You mentioned that the particular job that they asked to do created some anxiety on your part, just to make sure that we cover all the bases and you don't have to go into the nature of these but 18 did you have any personal problem beyond the job that would of contributed 19l to your decisions or your anxiety?
21 METZGER:
None at all.
22 23 CRESWELL:
Okay.
Thank you.
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