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PUBLIC MEETING DISCUSSION OF NUCLEAR POWER NEEDS OF PENUSYLVA :T' -NEW JERSEY-MARYLAND
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1 CR5361 DISCLAIMER This is an unofficial transcript of a meetinc of the United States Thursday' L4 June l979 4 n *-.e w
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DISCUSSICN OF NUCLEAR POWER NEEDS OF 7I PENNSYLVANIA-NEW JERSEY-MARYLAND 8,
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I Meeting in the above-entitled ma tter was convened, 14 '
..crsuant to notice, at 3:15 p.m.,
JOSEPH M.
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HENDRIE, Chairman VICTOR GILINSKY, Cc=missioner RICHARD KENNEDY, Commissioner 20 PETER 3 RADFORD, Commissioner j
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JOHN AHEARNE, Commissioner Messrs. Smith, Feehan, Price, Everett, Ecker:
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CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Let's see, the second group of 3
briefers headed by Mr. Robert Smith, Chairman of the Public 4
Service Gas & Electric.
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5 Please bring up wheneveryou would like to have at 6
the table and introduce them for the record, please.
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Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am 9
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Smith, Chairman, Chief Executive, Public Service 10,
Electric & Gas Company.
l 11 4 I am here this afternoon as the representative of 12 the Pcnnsylvania-NewJ Jersey-Maryland interconnection and i
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With me at the table, on my f r right, Jahr 15 Feehan, Chief Executive of Atlantic City Electric.
16 Next to him, Bill Price, who is Vice President, 17 Generation Delmarva Pcwer & Light Company.
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On my left, Lee Everett, Chief'2xecutive Officer r
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2C Next to Lee, Dick Eckert, our Senior Vice President, 21,
Public Service, cf Energy Supply & Engineering.
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In the audience we also have Jcbn McCcnald, who 23 is our Senior Vice President of Governmental Affairs, Publi.
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From Philadelphia Electric, Vincent Boyer, Senior 2
Vice President.
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New Jersey Board of Public Utilities George Barbour wanted to be 5
here today. He was unable to do so. But I understand that a 6
letter --
7' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: He is represented by a letter to 8
the Commissioners.
9 MR. SMITH: Fine.
10 Our purpose here today is to discuss the power Il i supply situation of the Pennsylvania-New Jersey-Maryland 12 connection with specific reference to Salen No.
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I think the gentlemen from the Department of I#
Energy have described the interconnection so that it is 15 1 unnecessary for us to do that. And I think we can say that i
16 we agree with them that our reservec during this coming 17 summer will be adequate.
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t However, the cost of that supply are up in part 10 because of the "nree Mile Island accident and removing those v"
two units f ron the system, and of course the continuing l
increase in the cost of fuel oil is directly affecting our customers.
Of prl=e concern to us is the operation of Salem 24 No.
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I don't think I have to describe the unit. You are
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familiar with it. It is 1100 megawatts Westinghoase Unit.
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Service and Philadelchia Electric each own 42 percent, and 3
Delmarva, Atlantic City Electric each own 8 percen'_.
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A recent NRC announcement indicates that the present 5
intent is to delay, at least until August 1st, the operating 6
license of Salem 2, and that is of importance to us.
7; We believe that Salen No. 2 is essentially ready l
g for operation. Constrtlcticn is complete, testing is complete 9
up to the core load.
'Anu as we understand it, all modifications 10 required by the NRC to date have been completed.
11 l Our field peopla tell ur that they believe that the 12 '
Region 1 inspectors are satisiied the plant is ready for an 13,
operating license.
14 l The review by the NRC Staff in Washington is not 15 quite completc, but there are very few outstanding items.
16 We believe that these can ce resolved in a very shcrt period
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I 13 i The primary dif ference between Salen 2 and the 1;
cperating nuclear unit on the system is that about a five-nonth test program is going to be recuired befcre commercial 20 31,
operation of Salem 2, after we receive the operating license i
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and the plant, of : curse, i.s not presently radicactive.
In focusing on :he Salem 2 cperating license, I 24 would like to briefly discuss four aspects of the Salen dela;.
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1 Scathern curt of New Jersey we could be ticht on voltace 3
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Even witn a low output frcm Salem 2, having the unit synchronized with this system, would give us the 6
voltage stabili:ation which would be advantageous for possible 7,
eak loads in September.
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would be a problem in handling the voltage stability?
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MR. SMITH: Where it could be.
COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: In what period did you say?
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Peak in September.
We occasionally 16 have peaks in that system in September.
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Its annual peak?
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Ours has been, peaks also in September.
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COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
But the paak -- PJM system 6
peak is generally July, August?
7 MR.EVERETT: Corresponds to hot weather. Whenever 8
we have hot ueather in the summer we have a peak.
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Actually,'a lot of industries are 10 shut down during the summer months, so we have reduced 11 operations.
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a hot day, or Sepcember, if you have a hot day, because i
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16 COMMISSIOUER BRADFORD : Do you know offhand how 1 '/ I many years in the last 25 years, the annual :eak has occurred i
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I do not have that information.
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,I COMMISSIONER 3RADFORD: Every year?
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COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: Either June or September?
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It is imposs;_;e to say when during 4
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takes three or four days of very hot humid weather to develop 6
the saturation of heat that causes the air conditioning peak.
7' But, as Bob said, it could be in June or September l
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industry going full tilt.
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I2 MR. EVERETT:
I don't have a list.
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September 23rd is burned in my memory.
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Let me point out, the two major
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one occurred in 3eptember.
12 MR. ECKERT:
Big outages. They weren't during the 19 peak.
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2I COMMISS!CNER BRADFORD: And were they because cf a shortage of capacity?
MR. ECKERT: No.
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It was a shortace of cacacity in a e ;,cer.i neoorms. me.
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It was brought on by a shortage, 2
but it wasn't as a direct result of an inadequate ability 3 i to serve at that point. It was brought on by units not i
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And when an operating error happened, why it ai cascaded on the system.
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I think the people from COE have also 10 indicated that a major portion of our generation, about 26 11 percent is nuclear. So, obviously, we need nuclear capacity 12 on our system to maintain operations.
13 g So, if for any reason the thought was occuring to la 3 anybody to shut down nuclear plants on our system, we would 13 be in deep trouble.
M With regard to the economics, again, there has 17 been quite some discussion on the fuel cost differential
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With Salem at 100 percenc capacity, our figure is $600,000 a fay. This is not cut of line with the DCE figure which I think was
$400,000 some odd, on the basis Of 70 percent capacity
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We hope we do.
2 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: Scme year.
3 MR. SMITH: This is a scenario that can go on all 4
afternoon.
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A 100 percent day is worth so 6 !
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you aren't going to run every day, every hour a: 100 percent, a!
you grade down, and everybody chcose his own guess at tne 9
reasonable annual plant factor and we will apply according.y.
10 Mr EVERETT: Thest are monthly factors, I think.
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We are not talking about annual.
There is a difference.
We 12 have had monthly capacity factors of our nuclear units over i
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ii 14 j COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: But not, probably, during 15 !
the startup period.
16 MR. EVERETT:
These were mature units.
17 MR. SMITH:
We used for our calculations, a 5 mil 13 per kilowatt hour fuel cost for nuclear, and 25 mils for the 19 oil, which are somewhat more conservative, I think, than 2L the figures which DOE supplied.
21 I think the other f actor that perhaps should 22 enter into considaration of the capacity factor in Salen I 23 is that it is a duplicate of Salen 1, which we have had 24 operating experience with.
I think a lot of the problems
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having higher capacity factor in Salem 2.
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However, I think probably more important than the 4
economics with regard to our customers is the saving in 5!
oil consumption which can be made by operation of this nuclear 6
unit.
Again this 100 percent capacity at the nuclear is 7
equivalent to a saving of 45,000 barrels a day of oil.
3 And again, you can take however many days at what i
9, percentage capacity you want and use that 45,000 barrels a 10 day figure to come up with an oil savings.
11 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Are you saying that from 12 this system that you would definitely be using oil capacity 13 to replace it?
i 14 1 MR. SMITH: Yes.
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I think it has been pointed out that we operate 16 in econcmic dispatch. We have examined the availability of 17 '
capacity from adjacent systems. We are utilizing all the u
coal burning capacity in our own system.
As a matter of fact we have =cre than this much oil burning cn our system, 2C but we just backed off that.
- 1 The investment in Salen 2 is 3700 million. Part of that is in construction work in progress in the rate base, but only a very small part of it.
Maybe a third o f 24 that.
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A million dollars.
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I ' m s o r ry, a million dollars a month.
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9 Now I think we all recognize that Three Mile Island 10 was a very serious accident, md that following Three Mile 11 Island all of us have been tequired to examine our nuclear 12 operations.
13 i Immediately af ter the acrident we established a 14 3 task force within the company to examine all the details of H
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We referred them to cur Salem designs to 16 see what corrections or modifications should be made as a 17 result of that investigation.
13 We have had 25 people full time working on that.
1; We.have added to that representatives frcm the other cwners 20 who are working with this task force. We anticipate tha 21 within the very near future we will have up to 60 people scrking 22 full time on the design and invest;gation of some of these 22 possible modifications.
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reviewed the Westinghouse design.
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the AIF task forces and also with APRI, again in examining the 3l ramifications of the accident.
4 We are well along in finalizing design of son.
5 of the medifications. We have ordered equipment for scme 6I changes, and have actually accomplished a number of changes I
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10l have done the work on Salem 2 pressurizer logic change; alarms i
11 for the pressure operated relief valve; saturation indications 12 in the computer which are given directly to the operator; 13 ;
and containment isolation in case of an accid art.
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have positive containment isolation.
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We are in the midst of design, have all the material 16 for a reactor head vent system --
17 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: W1en you say containment 13 isolation, what would trigger it?
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MR. SMITM: Any one cf a number of factors.
22 MR. ECKERT: There is a lot of things that will 21 trigger containment isolation.
22 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: But that was true in Three v4'e Island as we'.l.
The problem is having the right thing 24 trigger it.
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when it would be triggered and when it wculdn't.
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CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: No, it didn't.
5 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: But it does with you?
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6 MR. ECKERT. This kind of thing.
It is ve ry co'.r.ple x,
7' we realize, but that is an example.
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Rate of water rise, reac' 'r vesc el i
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We are engaged in designs and 12 securing material.
13; COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
What are you doing about reactor water level?
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We are working with Westinghouse, I 16 think on that.
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13 MR. ECKERT: Yes, we have some preliminary designs, but we have some problems with these designs and they realif 2C have to be finalized at this stage.
21 CHAIFlGN HENDRIE: What is the aim hem On this 22 particular item?
To try to get scme indication down in 22 the vessel, upper part of the vessel?
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Yes.
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3 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: You don't regard any of a
these things as being affected by the plant going critical?
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MR. SMITH: Well, Salem 1 has been operating for 6'
two years. This is an identical design which we have already I
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also planning to install in Salem 1 at the first opportunity, 1
9 assuiing the NRC approves the changes we have propored.
10 MR. ECKERT:
If you are concerned aPout the 11 radiation field in installing some of these things, we 12 looked at the two we think are most difficult to install, which 13 is the vent system and the water level in the reactor. And 4
14,i we don't see either one of those requiring a lot of man hours 15 i being worked in the high radiation level.
16 We don't think it is very significant as to whether 17 the plant has actually cperated or not.
13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: What is your pro 3ection Dick, on 10 when you shake out with Westinghouse on whether ycu reall; want to do those things or not, a nd how, exactij, you do 21 them?
Secause you know there is a peried of time here in 22 any unit, of course,in the workup when you still have 23 relatively modest radiation levels even in close. So there 24 is some period af time, cJederal NJoorters. lac 25 Do you project that you are settling dcwn on whether r,
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and used those radiation levels. And that's what I mean, 6
using those levels we did not have an excessive amount of 7
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you talking about?
10 MR. ECKERT: Give me a minute.
11 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY-Surely.
12 MR. SMITH:
I think what we are saying is we 13 q have divided some of these into short-term and long-term.
.i 14 q Some of these are going to take maybe years to work out the 15 designs and changes, develop specific designs and get the 16 material.
17 Some of the valves we ordered have fairly long 13 lead time, so that we will be accomplishing all of the things we can acccmplish short-term, within a very short period of
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21 MR. ECKT f: In respcnse to your earlier question, the vessel vent system, if indeed the final design in
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Hotleg connection, which is 100 to 6
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And sc.ae work in the bottom of the vessel, which 7
is again 100 to 350.
8.i This vessel level design is not as firm in our 9
minds as the vent design.
So I would say those numbers are more in question --
10 II COMMISSIONER ASEARNE:
And ever the design that 12 you have the re, roughly what kind of hours are you talking 13 :
about for that installation?
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On the vent design --
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COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: No, on the pressure level.
16 MR. ECKERT: What kind of man hours?
U COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Yes.
1d MR. ECKERT: I don't '. lave that number with me.
But obviously the full intent wculd be to prefabricate everything ahead of time, do nothing more than make a few "c
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Probably in the area where che incore thimbTls ccme up into the seal rocm.
It is a radiat;;n area, but it is not 23 so high that you can't put people in it for direct work.
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velocities, the water that is going in. That is the hard 5
part is the top tap, not the bottom tap.
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The bottom tap you ca.n do in the seal cable area.
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a, orompted by Three Mile Island is, of course, operator I
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essentially 1: training during the off periods. They also 13 '
provide backup, vacation and absences by other shift members.
a 14 I But we have provided continuous training or our operators.
15 We have been working with the industry and the 16 AIF particularly ha
'ack force working in operator training 17 and we endorse their proposal to establish a nuclear opera-li tions institute which will essentially be a cuality assurance l'
institute for operators in such an area enere it is demon-2C strated that we do need continucus high-level operator 21 training.
22 In summary, we see Salem 2 as a duplicate of 23 Salem 1 with some modifications already made as a result of 21 the Three Mile Island incident.
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the savings in oil which will result.
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be done without comprcmising safety at all.
4 And that is our presentation.
5 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Could I ask you, are you i
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saying that the things our Staff wants to have done can be 7,
done more quickly, or that they don't need to be done before 8
the plant goes into operation?
In effect, they are operating 9
out of an excess of caution?
10 MR. SMITH: Well, _ think we have responded to all II of the bulletins that have been issued. I'm not sure that 12 we all know what things the Staff wants to be done yet.
13 However, Salem 1, as I said, is an operating unit.
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'l j As far as I know we are not talking about shutting those 15 units down. We have made modifications to Salem 2. We will make 16 any other modifications that are considered to be necessary.
I COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: You have to start somewhere, I3 though, ad it is natural to start with plants that haven't started up yet. So they are, naturally, treated differentif 2C than plants that are operating, just as you would treat a 2I piant that is not yet constructed more differentlf.
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at least until August 1st.
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burning of oil, and this 45,000 barrels a day I think I
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10 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: But the 45,000 barrels a 11 4 day --
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But that is going to come sometime.
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Maybe October or November, if you start now.
14 MR. ECKERT:
A delay in the startup will do nothing 15 more than move a whole clock of work further out in time.
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17 MR. ECKERT: So it means very little if you are 13 replacing it in September, October, November, or the next 1;
three mon:hs.
We will still have a net differe:.ce.
2C MR. E"ERETT: You never mak up a lost day in cur 21 business.
22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Let me ask my question 23 again.
24 Are you asking that the plant be turned on for he Federai Reoo,eers. lec.
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have the final say in this. You will have to, in your considered 6l judgment decide wholucr the plant should be kept off for I
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another three months, four months or six months.
3l I think all we presented today is what we see as 9
the consequences of delay.
10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: I think the Staf f has been 11 working to gather up and sort out what they believe are 12 the short-term steps that ought to follow from Three Mile 13 q Island, in addition to the ones represented by the bulletins f
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those in fairly straightforward f ashion pretty quick now.
The 17 work has been going on for several weeks. Anc? then see how la fast -- look at your list of things jou are alreaJ.y doing and 13 see how those things are coming along and how soon the', might 22 be implemented and what is reasonable tc do, and look at it 21 from that standpcint.
22 I don't, for myself, regard us a.
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colsiderable intereat in things like tnat vessel level 6l indication, and about whether in fact the analyses would 7
support one's sort of first reaction which was, well, gee, i
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13 It is a pity we have to measure it.
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Particularly a dynamic system.
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Yes.
16 So, you know, it is not just a transparently 17 simple situation where even the meanes; intellect will u
arrive at the right solution on casual observation.
And I 10 am sure the Staff will be interested,and I./ill be interested
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24 Salem 1 is operati:g. There is an emergency plan ge det3 eras R eporters. f ac 25 for the site?
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Emergency planning is obvicusly 1
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Three Mile.
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the Ccamission.
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Twelve states.
10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Something like twelve.
11 But do you know offhand how far offsite your 12 own emergency plan reaches in terms of contact with local 13,t emergency group.eaders and so on?
ti 14 3 MR. SMITH:
I don't have the details with me.
15 What I can tell you is that following the Tnree 16 '
Mile Island accident, the Superintendent of State Police 17 called representatives of the utilities in New Jersey is together with the Department of Environmental Protection which 1:
had the basic respcnsibility for drawing up the plan. Criled 2:
us dcwn to Trenten to review the Three Mile Island incidenc.
21 As a matter of fact, New Jersey cent a couple of 22 state policemen over to the Harrisburg site, who reperced 23 directly back to Trenton.
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involved. They appear to want to take the principal role 6l in the administration of this plan.
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whether it is an emergency event or not; they want to know I,
9' when the plant is shut down, when it comes on line.
So they 10 have taken a very active interest in the whole operation.
11 MR. ECKERT:
Perhaps another response to your 12 question as far as distance is concerned,the first town is 13 I think, about 4 1/2, 5 miles away.
And it is a small town.
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between 8 and 10 miles. Very isolated there.
17 MR. SMITH:
The police, Dick, are goir.g to all 13 the tcwns in the surrounding area, visiting them, since 19 Three Mile Island and are reenforcing the whole av'cuaqtion
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21 CHAIR'1AN HENDRIE:
John?
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE :
Well, I want to ask either 23 Bill Lindsay or Frank Haines on the question of the
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coal-fired generation in the western part of PJM, and 6
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1.1 MR. ECKERT: Tha.o may be a new problem we have to 15 worry about, because i t is not what we were referring to.
16 MR. SMITH: That is part of it, though.
r MR. ECKERT:
That is part of it.
The very heacy 13 loads, hcwever, with outages in the southern part cf the 1:
state, buth transmission and an cutage frca cicsing Salem 1 under a worst condition, could get into a 1cw load situation 21 in the southern part of the state. And I think that is what 22 Bob was referring to, not a lcw lead.
23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Frank, you had a hand up.
24 MR. EAINES:
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has just indicated an astimate of 500,000 barrels of oil, i
8 so this is roughly 10 percent for nat anal use, and this is 9
roughly 10 percent of that.
Does that sort of jibe with 10 your numbers?
11 i MR. HAINES: (Nodding affirmatively) 12 MR. LINDSAY: Yes, sir, it does.
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I 15 l COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
45,000 is a 10 percent i
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level -- is at 100 percent capacity level.
Sc 1 was 17 wondering what the 500,000 is.
A similar --
,a MR. ECKERT: That is a net --
1 CCMMISSIONER AREARNE: Sut that is a real numbe.
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21 And that is raally what I was trying to ask.
22 MR. FCWLKES: Excuse me.
The numbers that I 22 got from PJM indicated the 45,000 barrels a day was based 2
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3i MR. SMITH: Our number is more conservative.
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I am sure the 45,000 by our numbers 10 is with 100 percent capacity.
11 MR. SMITH:
There are two other f actors which I 12 didn't mention,which perhaps have some bearing.
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One is that -- and I know this -- Public Service il has a responsibility for engineering design construction 14 4 i
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We have our own in-house engineering staff 16 that did that. So all the people who have direct relation to
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depending on some architect-engineer who has maybe three
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Would that be all?
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5 MR. EVERETT: The capacity at this time.
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that --
11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: What is the state on Limerick l?
12 MR. EVERETT:
It is about 50 percent complete as 13 1 far as construction is concerned, la COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: It had been several numbers 15 of reserve margin, but I.Jather without trying t) get involved 16 in which number is the accurate one, I think you mentioned that even without Salem this sammer you are going to have 13 a --
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As of what date does 11 the power pool presently allow you to count Salem 2 against 12 your Tpacity responsibility?
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can't be counted until it is dispatched. That means it 15 has to be in commercial operation, it has to be turned over 16 for day-to-day dispatchir-2rposes to the system operator 17 and the PJM operator.
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4 MR. ECKERT: The end of June.
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Commercial ommtion would be three to four months after knen.
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into 10 percent for so long and 30 percent for another period.
I 9i It is about a five-month schedule to get from 10 the operating license up to 100 percent power test, and 11 during that period it is on there for varying loads.
12 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Let's see. Did you say the 13 machine is, in your view, ready for an OL now?
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15 CEAIRMAN HENDRIE:
And I guess the Staff now --
16 MR. ECKERT: There are a few mincr things that 17 are resting with Staff.
13 CHAIRMAN HENDRII:
-- and I&E will have et complete 19 some --
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I believe that ccmpleted everything.
21 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD :
Can ycu run through these 22 five months for me?
22 You said it was 10 percent for one period of time, then 10 percent for ancther?
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Core loading complete by July 8.
3 Prepare for criticality July 12.
4 Initial criticality August 16.
5 Prepare for generator synchronization August 16.
6 Initial generator synchronization August 29.
7 10 percent power testing August 29.
3, 30 percent power testing September 4.
9 50 percent power testing September 19.
l 10 Planned outages September 28.
11 Startup to 75 percent power October 9.
12 75 percent power October 14.
13 q 90 percent power October 31.
la 'l 100 percent power November 8.
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16 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: With outages during that 17 period?
13 MR. SMITH: Just one cutage.
CC.NOCSSIONER 3FAOFORD: Just o ns_ outage.
22 CHAIR'4AN HENDRIE : Other questions?
21 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
If I could return to 22 this point about the water level.
I don't don't kncw what 22 the meanest intellect is.
If I recall correctly, Harold 22 Denton said he wanted those in before he gave out ar mcre ne Eederal R ecc ritrl. ! "C.
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The lead time for these things is very lengthy 10q because of all the manuf acturing requirements, qualifications.
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12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I don't recall that.
13 i MR. ECKERT: The contact that we have had with i
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up whether it would be done; and then set a schedule to do it, 16 because of his recognition of the long lead time.
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if this is an advisable thing to do.
The information I was 20 giving you earlier was if it is decided that indeed this 21 is the right ching to ds, these are the radiation areas we would be working in to do it.
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not a measurement of water level in the reactor vessel will 7
tell you anything useful at all?
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16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: I nust say I didn't hear 17 anything like this raised when we were up before the 13 Ccngress and had 'he ACRS here.
It may be right.
I don't 10 knew what the right answer is.
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very hard at this. And the'; nra not sure it is a useful 22 evaluation.
23 It has not been resolved.
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understand the nature of the beast and so on.
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Feasible in the sense of putting 21 a tap cn the tcp and a tap down here, and you read that 22 j differential.
23 COMMIS3ICNER CILINSKY: Well, it dJesn't tell you 24 the water level.
It tells you how much water is in there.
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'l 3 (Simultaneous discussion.) 1 t a COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I would guess this is an 5 interesting, but di f ferent discussion. 6 MR. EVERETT: If you had a once-through boiler under 7 the accident conditions, you can postulate. And if you have a I aj dynamic once-through boiler you have got to figure out 9 just what that measurement really means. 10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Yes. I think there is a fair 11 possibility that we will want to see something along this line 12 because we will decide on balance it will be useful to have. 13 On the other hand, there is still some sorting out 4 1.: ] of the arguments one way or the other. 15 I don't want anybody to interpret my comments 16 l this morning as caying here I think it is a bad idea. 17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: How about this afternoon? 13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: This afterncen. It is a longer 19 day than I thought. 20 wr, that I am advocating. I am just saying 21 there are some aspects that need to be sorted out before we 22 go off. 23 Now the general question of accurate fluid condi-24 tion throughout the system obviously there are better ways i r f t%1ff al SGOGrf tf t. IN. 25 we can devise to knew that, and the better o f f we will be. 282 001 l 36 i i mm32 Whe ther those are necessarily dirrerential -- derivec rrom 2 differential pressure, you know, just high-low tapping and i l then inferring what the pressure cifferences mean, is meaning 4 not so clear to me. 5 Well, other questions? 4 MR. EVERETT: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question? 7' COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: Why not. 3 CEAIRMAN HENDRIE: We don't always expect an i 9l answer when we ask a question, and I am sure you don't always .1 10 l i expect an answer when you ask a question. i 11 MR. EVERETT: I was concerned to read that part 12 of the reason for the holdup in issuing licenses -- if not l ~' '! the whole reason -- was lack of manpower resources because la of the commitment of the Commission Staf f to TMI analysis. I *c And I would think that the economics, if it is 16 economics and safety, are certainly a judgment factor that 1 you have to make en the site of safety. But, if it is a manpcwer shortage that the Cc= mission faces, there cught to be rescurces in this nation that the econcaics would dictate we can utilize to help cut in that. COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: But you do take into 7-consideration the possibility tha. there might be some other s things other than economics, that might be driving the ire /ederal R eDor'er$ inc. ~< '~ Staff to be concerned with perhaps taking -- oco g0-t c t 37 1
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>f R. EVERETT: Of course. COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I think you ought to at least t I 3 recognize that that was an overriding factor. COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: But let me say to the extent a 5 that the point you make is correct, it is that in fact there 6 is a manpower shortage, and to the extent that that drives I 7 the question, let me say that I agree with you there ought to 'i al be resources in this nation which can be brought to bear to l 9j solve it. 10 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: I don't think it applies 11 though in this case, because the Staff has given higher !2 priority to those systems that are closer to completion. 13 CRAIRMAN HENDRIE: There are a half dozen plants 14 that are close, and Unit 2 at Salem is the lead unit in that 15, trend, and I think the Staff resources, astic says, will be 16 I focused on those ready and near-ready anits. 17 So, I think it is considerably less of a problem
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than it is in general.
- C In general, in fact, we have a severe Staff resource problem and are taking steps to try to help that as 22 fast as we can.
- 3 MR. EVERETT: The nation has tremendous technological 24 resources as you all know at the national labs, Oak Ridge,
.N Federal AfDorters, t oc 25 Argonne, Savannah River and I'm sure you haven't overlcoked 282 003 38 l 1 mm37 tha '.. CEAIRMAN HENDRIE: We have been in those discussions. 3 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: We haven't overlcoked that, i BUt I am sure you also recognize there was a very major 5 accident, and for whatever reasons it did happen, and there 1 6 - is a lot of understanding that c.as to be developed. i 7 i MR. EVERETT: I don't mean to minimize -- 3 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: It is possible for some of 9i the comments to be interpreted as that perhaps you were 10 minimizing it. 11 l COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I certainly don't think i 12 you were minimizing it, not in the least. 13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Other comments? 3 1.: (No response) 15 Thank you very much, and we thank our colleagues 16 frca FERC and the Energy Resources Administration -- r Regulatory Administration, I'm sorry. ,3 (Whereupon, at 4:10 p.m., the hearing ir the above-entitled matter was adjourned.) b e A t b 4 $.7 e 91 s b
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