ML19242C009

Transcript of 790801 Meeting in Sacramento,Ca.Pp 1-51

ML19242C009
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Site:	Rancho Seco
Issue date:	08/01/1979
From:	Cole R, Glaser M, Shon F Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel
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IN THE MATTER OF:

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Washington, D.C. 20001 NATIONWIDE COVERAGE DAILY

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SACRAMENTO MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT Doc:et No. 50-312 (Rancho Seco)

--x PREHEARING CONFERENCE Room 4061 Employment Development Department 3uilding 722 Capitol Mall Sacramento, California We dne cday, 1 August 1979 Prehearing in the above-entitled matter was convened, pursuant to notice, at 10:00 a.m.

SEFORE :

MICHAEL GLASER, E SQ., Chairman Atomic Safety & Licensing Board Panel FFIDERICK SHON, Member DR. RICHARD COLE, Member s

APPE ARANCES :

DAVID S. KAPLAN, ESQ., and JAN SCHORI, ESQ., 6201 S.

Street, Sacramento, California 9 5 813; on behalf of the Applicant.

JAMES REED, ESQ., and MICHAEL PIMY, ESQ., Reed, S amuel, Remy &

Erodie, 717 K Street, Suite 405, Sacramento, California 95814; on behalf of Friends of the Earth, Environmental Council of Sacramento, and Original SMUD Ratepayers.

GARY HURSH and MR. CASTRO, Members, Board of Directors, SMUD, 520 Caoitol Mall, Suite 700, Sacramento, Califo=ia 95814;

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CHAIRVE GLASER:

On the record.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to begin right now.

I ask everycne to sit down and remain cuiet.

This is a prehearing conference in the matter of the r

6 Sacramento Municipal Utilities District, licensee of the Rancho Seco Nuclear Generating Station, Docke.t No. 5312.

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Glaser.

I am Chairman of the Atcmic Safety & Licensing Scard panel assigned to conduct e

these proceedings.

On my left is Mr. Frederick Shon, who is a full-time member of the panel.

Mr. Shon has a bachelcr's decree in chemical enc.ineerinc..

He is a icnc.-time emn.lov.ee of the !icensing Scard panels.

He.also spent ten years with the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory at Brookhaven.

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!5 On my right is Dr. Richard Cole, who has a Ph.D.

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Dr. Cole also holds a bachelor of science in is civil engineering and a master's degree from MIT in sanitary engineering.

I am a member of the bar of the District of Columbia i

and the State of haryland, practicing attorney in Washington, D.C.,

with the law firm of Glaser, Fletcher and Jchnson, which specializes in cc=munications and administrative law.

I have been a member cf Licensing Scard panels since 1972.

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This board issued an order on Jul.v 3, 1979, callin.

fcr th1s prehearing conference, as a result cf an crder issued

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by the Nuclear Reculatory Commission on June 21, 19-desig-6' nating the Rancho Seco generating station tfor consideration for a hearing.

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t Significant1v the Commission indicated that, if certain requirements were met, that this board could conduct h

a nearing, anc t~ge subjects to be considered were three:

First was whether the actions required by subpara-graphs A through E cf the Commission's May 7th order are necessary and sufficient to provide reasonable assurance that the Rancho Seco f acill:y wi'l respond safely tc feedwater transien s pending completion of long-term modifications se:

M forth in the May 7th order The Commi'ssion noted that a con-15 tention challenging the correctness of the NRC's s taf f 's 16 conclusions that the actions described in subparagraphs A

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would not of itself stav t.he creration of the Rancho Seco 21

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prcmptly as practicable long-term modifications set forth in

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5 As a result Of the June 21 order, this board Wes d

convened and we issued a prehearing conference order on July 3 calling f er amended petitions of the parties who 5

recuested hearings, setting this hearing for this date to n..

consider any amended petitions, and any otner c.atters w,icn R

might be appropriate in this proceeding.

Our records show that the two directors of SL:UD, Mr. Castro and Mr. Eursh, filed arended contentions; also, that Friends of the Earth, the Environmental Council of u e.atec. av. ers

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Development Ccmmission, which indicated 'an interest in partici-ra tino. as a Partv. in this.croceedinc..

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We haven't received anything from 22 the staff, but I directed the staf f counsel te be prepared to resc. enc eariv.

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My nare is Lawrence Brenner.

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morning is counsel for the staff, Stephen H. Lewis.

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Our business address is Office of the Executive Legal Director, Nuclear ReguSatcry Cc= mission, Washington, D.C.,

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I ask that people start putting us on their service list.

We have had a minor problem in the last week.

I would also like to introduce our technical advisers.

On my right is Mr. Danial J.

Garner, who,is prcject manager for the Rancho Seco facility.

On Mr. Lewis' left is 15 Mr. Robert A.

Capra, who is project manager handling the 16 application of the Three Mile Island accident for B&W faci-

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Remy from the same law firm, 2

Mark Vandervelden, an executive in the Friends cf the Earth.

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Mr. E'.'rsh and Mr. Castro?

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My name is Gary Hursh.

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licensed to practice in the state of California.

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address is 520 Capit:1 Mall, S_ite 700, Sacramentc.

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phone call frca Mr. Castro that stated that he was ill, but o

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as one of the original petitioners.

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The California Energy Cc= mission?

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today is Cliff Webb, who will be the technical assistant on it this ca'e.

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Is there anyone else who wishes to who desires to participate in tnis incicate an appearance, a

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Counsel for the licensee.

With me is 22 Jam Schori.

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zip code is 95313.

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15 Mr. Lewis has a brief opening statement.

Beyond 16 that, I would like to note that we are prepared crally to address the filings of the parties issue by issue with respect to the ones we have seen.

We have seen Mr. Hursh's since yesterday, and we are prepared on that, Mr. Hursh's and Mr. Cas tro 's, which were filed jointly.

2I We saw the Friends of the Earth filing.

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Burc.en or-i W-proof falls on the licensee on any issue.which is set.

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joint propenents of the order, the staff and the licensee.

2' If your Honor believes that this, the question of the precise 22 burden in the case, is something that requires further briefing, at some point we would certainly be prepared to de that.

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The revised ccpy was handed to us thi.s morning, and Mr. Reed will make s.ure that everyone who is a c.articicant i n t..nis croceecinc. w112 c. e t a c o r. v..

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Lewis, is it your view that transients other than feedwater transients are to be dealt with?

I noticed the California Energy Commission seems :: find language in the May 7th order that suggests that various transients other than feedwater transients are before us.

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It would be our view that it is limited O the response to that transi'ent.

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Thank vou.

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Is there anything else you would like to state for the record as a pre liminsry matter?

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I think those would be the O. reliminarv.

matters I wanted to bring out, and then we can respond more specifically af ter the parties have spoken to their contentions.

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Let's hear from Mr. Reed, who submitted a stat ament revi'ang his contentions.

Have y]u given che California Energy Ccmmission a ccpy of the revised issues?

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MR. HURSE :

Yes.

CHAIPF.AN GI.ASER:

You represent whom?

MR. H"RS H :

I represent myself as a resident who lives within the zone of interest surrounding Rancho Secc nuclear facility.

I am an elected official and have been e A ectec on Noverw,er.,:.q, c,, ta..nng c:,1ce in January

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23 anC Knowledge to the people of California and to the

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24 Calif ornia Ener:y Commission we Oc f eel it is a ppropriate to 25 have a proceeding that will cisclose some of the decisions r o p> p! q% g sJ

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7 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

Mr. Br.enner.

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Tnank you,,/.r. Chai rman.

We have 9

discusseo cur different views among the parties as to the IC scope of :ne orcer alreacy.

I woulo just like to hi: the i,

t o.,1 c e a. a i n, in 2iont of the commants of counsel f or :ne l e-valif ornia :nergy c,onni ssion.

i3 I :nink her very commen s suoport our view of : ne Ic orcer, anc counse' statec the order expre ssly set forth ano is

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nerein lie s our diff e rence, I believe.

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17 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

I want to make a comment to 15 a ssist you in considering thi s ma tter f urther.

ly As I recall, tne Com.ission's June 21 st orcer, it

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.ssue Numoer 2 was whether t.s.e ce sn. on:..a=n :

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24 CHAIRMA.N GLASER:

That's right.

And if ne 25 licensee proposta long-te.

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I woulc have mace precisely One same 22 point I na ;.;,t r. B r e nn e r ha s mac e.

One way to icok at Inis 23 is, Oc the extent that this paragrapn in the May 7th orcer e4 excancs ne coarc,s.1urisciction Ceyond the narrow reading 25 of :ne, June 21 s. order, there are still limits, and those O

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fcilowing tnat pa ragra ph.

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T..e Board is prepared to issue ii some ru.ings.

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23 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

We are pe titioned oy some 24 o t he r s.

he will grant intervention to One Friencs of the 25 Earth, :ne Environmental Coucil of Sacramento, to tne 5901C3

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whetner it has any impact on his Board's jurisdiction.

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contentien, a*. least one made, asserted, that emergency 2

planning is an issue.

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7 o rc e r.. ne will begin hearings on December 27th in

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le xt week, by next Tuesday, the Ecard will issue a re nearing conf erence in :nis case, putting in writin; wna t ii we nave oiscJ ssec nere to ca y, ano tne issuance of nat oroer l2 cces nc: ceiay ne two-week perioc of time wnich vou have to

.2 reacr agreemen; en stipu a ed issues ano sucmi- 00 us ncn-s ti pela e c. ssue s.

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c have the papers in our hands.

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!5 non-stipua ted i ssue s.

They must be in our hands, received.

17 Now, on :ne ma tte r of service we find tha the

L parties sre ac; prcperly serving memoers of the Soird anc in 21 the puclic proceecings we hereby cirect all parties to 22 assure nat puclic proceedings receives a copy of every

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ought to be simultaneous witn eve. y o ther perty.

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party neecs acoltional tine f or submi ssion of a brief, wil.

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are here anc tna parties are he re I essume that you will 12 r ee: trat as you can anc try to hammer cut those me tte:rs.

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nis Boarc's jurisdic tion.

That will give you more time.

21 MR. BRENNER:

I a.c.ar e c i a t e that.

22 MR. LEWIS:

l4 r. C ha i.-ma n, do e s t ha t pe: tain to the 23 orief alone, or -- you still want the statement, 24 stipulation --

25 CHAIRMAL OLASER:

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con entions nc-s ti pul e te c to.

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23 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

Yes, sir.

24 MR. LEWIS:

or any other rulemakings --

25 CHAIR. MAN GLASER:

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21 ex panc that role and go beyond.

If they ever do expand the 22 role and ge oeyond, we expect them to incicate to us in 23 statements of s-i pula ed i ssue s on the 20th of. August.

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contentions of.:riends of the Earth at all.

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17 have been allowed to participate in the past in the sense of 15 producing witnesses and cross-examination in our capacity as 19 in erested state.

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asserted yourself and issues already in the proceeding in 21 22 whicn you take an interest.

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neea to be prepared to assert the burden of going forward 2

with the evioence.

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Is it your view, in order f or the lv Calif ornia Energy Commission to be a sserting a list of

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23 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

If they want to do that.

Are 24 you suggesting tney could do it under 2.715(c) and they can 25 just --

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2.715(c) although as a practical ma tter I co not cisegree 3

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2 (Scard conferring.)

3 CHAIRMAN GLASER:

Is tnere any other matter to ccr.e refore the Ecarc at t.".i s t im e ?

5 (No re s oon se. )

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CHAIRrON GLASER:

There oeing none, we will 7

acjourn until Novemoer 7th.

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adjourned.)

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