ML19224D516

Transcript of 790626 Hearing in Cincinnati,Oh.Pp 1,533- 1,605

ML19224D516
Person / Time
Site:	Zimmer
Issue date:	06/26/1979
From:	Bechhoefer C, Bright G, Hooper F Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel
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NUDOCS 7907120400
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{{#Wiki_filter:NUCLE AR REGUL ATORY COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF: CINCINNATI GAS & ELECTRIC COMPAtri, et al (WILLIAM H. .;m1ERNUCLEAR PCWER PLANT, UNIT No.1) DOCKET No.- 50-358 e i "** 'Cicinnati, Ohio Date - Fogos Tuesday, June 26,1979 1533 160s t t

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1533 .I a CR 5317 UNIT 2D STMEE OF XERIC.i DB 1 2l MUCLEAR REGULAICR'l COM'1ISSION 3 I 4i In the Mattar of: 5 CI!iCINNATI GAS & ELECTRIC i S COMPAir?, et a1 Dockat No. 50-359 i a 7 (William H. ::im:aer Nuclear Power Plant, Unit No.1) 8 oi ~' T1.asday, ~'r a 26,1979 (Evening) 10 Cc'2rtroom 805 U.S. Posi. Offica and Courthouas Fifth and Walnut Strosts 33 Cinci_nati, Ohio, 45202 12 i The hearing in the abovc-entitled mattar was convenad, 13 puranant to notico, at 7:00 p.m. 14 SEFCRE: g 15 CHA.E S BECH:OSFER, Esq., Chai. w, ? atomic Sa c.ty and Licensing Beard, 16 DR. FRAMK F. H;OPER, ME W._r 1_/ 18, APPEARANCES: g (As herstoforc n-ted.) .40 21 t i rggfg,gg @fSO@fi9ha I 2 1 og G An ldh 2; i, 'i i 24 i f 25 i i I qh l 348 002 i

334 E. 2. Il 1 $. E I E 1 LIMITED APPEAPRICE OF: PAGE 2 Kats Fortin 1536 i i 3I Paul Nunn 1540 4i l Thc=as Knigit 1546 ~ ll Donald Reder 1551 6l Mary Reder 1552 7' i Rick cudley 1552 1 0flBobJuillerat 1554 i -e! Nancy Juill: erat 1555 10 Marilyn Flahertf 1559 II ! Merry Stockberger 1561 1 12 Bill S=ith 1563 i 13 Gary Staigo; 1562 14 !,l' Esily Hodges 1574 15 [ Rev. Shuttlesworth 1576 [ i 16hMarkRahn 1578 i 17 l; Jeff Staples 1530 II IellWilliamPorter 1583 h 19 h Ken Armitage 1586 i: 20 {! Pam Wright 1587 5 21 j Paul Worderian 1591 d D,, Steve Schumacher 1594 l h I 22 ] Shelly Vernen. 1598 l 8 ,,o i h _. Alma Sullivan 1603 row d g Linda Frankal 1504 348 003

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} Kate Fortin. .?2 i II MS, FORTIN: My na.mc is Kate Portin and I'u a a 5-{ '* 1 i resident of Cincinnati. 2; !! I'd lika to addrans -.y ccmmance to h i thosc percens re.3ponsible for the dev21opment, main 2u,nce, u t 348 003 o e

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- d I'm speaking chout perecns in decision making positiens il H l 3[ heing tried and punished the -- for crimes against !l i - !i humanit?. ~ !! t g il At thoco trials at the end cf World War II, ll the defendants repeatedly ctated that ue were only I .h d following orders, that they were on.ly carrying out the I ..,- 11 ji .O P., i o decisions of thoco in cower. ti d I don't need to tell you that this failed ac a ..'" ll u ij defense, so it appears that above everything elsa un aavc U .O a personal responsibility tcwcrd cur follow human beiagc;

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!) i' decicing the fates or. nie,.llena c c peopa.e -- in t..aic I case billions, cor.5idering the generations :c cor.e. IL i 'i cannot be done by a handful of 7.. ple. v ,,.,,'l In my co. inion, you have no right to make the u i. J decisions you are making. I'n t'rrified that these il pcwer i .,,f will once ac.ain put inreatmencs and profits hafore th) I lives cf the american people. .~ J Scmcwher2, scmetin'.te re get to change thc h direction, che pc11 units, all - cenau,'.ng direction t.:ct w3 ShiiM Qll 3 h h$h b dN b 348 006'

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7 Scycnd that .v: Ices all centrol. Cculd it be that ii {y We are only huran and all that ;*= reate pcunessoa 1 '.: a I 2 g lI same inherent imperfec -.cnc cr.d flaws that.ic ource;~ l l

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. i, one? Does it matter? t 9 i 'l ._u ;! I'm sure those that built the DC-10 felt tae 1e i - 'l chances were pretty gc ad the ; lane would still fly ov 2n + [ if the one in a millio chance of an engine falling off c:rer j i / '}f .i 3 happened, but the problem witb prchability is that no ,,u ,6 lh j! one ever tells them which numbar cut of a million ther're ,= 4 i permitted to fail en: the first time er the millionth ps o, i time. 11 i! i Our whole ses:em of learning is based primarily .- {; i, G on two things: repetitdon cnd ",. rial and error. If ycu k '3 i 1 i haven't noticed already, everything in life seems to Uc at least dual in nature. Look around you;

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P 1544 david 10 grenner our humility vill be. When we tala chese t.ic ci'.ple f acts -- anc, that we never will creata snything that won't eventually fail and two, that dualit1 a:.ista over wh2re and balanca has to occur, then I think -du. begin to realize thcst t.dre not dealing with the c_uestio1. or probability or chances, but rather a question of timing, a question cf when and where. end 1 t P i k$ ThhL[. um flh t l'l n .) e 8" 348 013

P 1 1545 l l ! {! 5 Thousands of 30:313 bill b3 affec>ed, and mayba 2 B1 2 millions the next M na. l t, t 3 ji Ono morn thiny., Thern is c cinple little ps.:allal that might help us in the matter. Re antly I notacod 4 i 1 5 the m.arvel of modern scisnce has, p::.rfected an all-chickan i G hot deg, that looks.1nd tastaa just like the rsal thing, 7 I bat if we shc cd a sudd.an and similar fondness for S! bark, weeds, cvrul grass, sciance tcculd find a way to 9 make then tasta just like a hot dogo In a way we a..I have 'he pcwcr to chango destiny.

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Do you P.now ur.at tnc real irony of the 12 l situation is, gentlenan? It : s thc.t thera is duality 1 33 l in tho answer to thi.: issun. Tha r23 3nsibi.lity of it all I lias in a very simplo yes or no from you. Hopefully j4 we can away those'uho decida on sources of anargy i 93 i 13 through our prefereni:o and y ur guts to say no. 17, Thank you. I 13 NI2MM BECICIOFFZ2.: Susan Poolar? jg l (No response) i 1 20 j CHAIRELVI BECSSCEFER: Sid Seibar? (No responce)

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13-18 1 CB4 for one cause or anoth ir spaw th.71r death, what will l 2 l l historians of tho fu cra pirpoint as the chief taing I 3 that brcught chose u isba into exietence? Suroly act 4 an energy shortage, ife.sn we cre truly short of or '2rgy, 5i likaly ws will have in 'anar~y regulating Cc; mission s; and thah will not li;aly consist of persons whose p>tak 7 interest is in solli:q ancrgy, as that ses.s a conf.i.ict 3 of interest. If tha a Mta ga.a coamissions had fili.ed their 9 ranks with furriors ind tinnars, much vi our wild]... a 10 i f might :.ow be rater s : arcs. 11 For causes fo r nuclear wasta thc-y : light list that 12 from the weapons cre.tted in the striving for peace, mis-Ah 13 W Suided and illogical though that sBriving will sr a 14 Then they might list wa.sta from waapens craatad for an 15 ignorant myth and d'.3am of a gloriouz uar. But cor:2 1y { 16 j they will list as chial causs wasts cre.c.tsd in u.a gluttenous grcady st.:i/ing for uaalth, and 7::ultituda.3 la i may say thsy died so somo rich man eculd baceme richer, i 19 i j an unattractive epitaph as that would be. We might l 20 ' l wonder how do those >:rcatcrs of nuc._2ar wasts, of duath I, i ~g o traps, think of than:le_.ves? Surely nct as murdarara ,._.. q though historians W.cubt2dly will call then such, Likaly a l. i "I th3y will think of M:2ase17es ac cersoca <.udcued .r.3. the i ,"1 i normal degree cf e02.;.3hness, gresd and lack of conecrn h for the fata of hums,.:...7, futurn and praccat, a t f 3 chudhnM48 017

1549 ? 5 CIAI:iMAN BECL.iOEFER: ?. organ Victore ., c., ~ l MS, VICTOR: ' y a a., t f.s Morgan Victor, and I 3 1 live in New Richman, Jhio. just read an article in the j 4 1 I New York Times on cancer caunod by radiatica, I am against 5 I nuclear power. I have reau a lot of articics concerning 6 I radiation, about nuclear pcwnr plants and other relative 7 subjects. I have becc to L any narches designed to clcsa 3 down nuclear pcwer pl3.nts, My parents are in an organi-t 9

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Thia stands for Citicans Agains t 10 Radioactive Environment. I have bean to many of thai' 11[ meetings a:d I have laarned a lot of sca.ry facts about 12l nuclear pcwer planeso I have to admit I don't know much j i g 13 w i about nuclear power pl;nts, bur. I kncw anougn to bolisIe 14 l that they can kill un alt., i 15! I That, NRC, is dhat I itink you should be concarned i la i with, cur lives. Loc h in'.o it, s tudy ito l 17 I I i My family and I 1ive.rround 5 milos away from the l 18 nuclear pcwer plant callcd Zimar2: in elescow, Ohio and sa l from my classroom at Monrce I.:la tentary School I can sec 20 the Zimmer towar. Th at is why tio ara so concerned accut this. I don' t think CGG:: and otner conpanias are tellis "i us everything we chculd kncw, I think tney should, ii 23 lj don' u you' i 24 " CARE is desperst.aly t:.ying :: gac cacola to vcta g ,1

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i, 1630 DE 5 i! even if it docs cost a lot, or c th 3r sc'.utiona like i h 2{ hydroels.ctric pcwer, Our count y has enough coney bc I l 3i use solar pcwer if it ha enolgh :2cncy for nuclear cc'Jer j l 4l I Besides, I think nuci.ar. pcua; coces 'raico u nucho 5-Pocple tell :ns that s 2.untict 3 do:P t hacw ccough dott 5 solar anargy, so why cc:1't th3y My to learn morn? 7 Personally, I h.ulk thi.c coun'rf is crazy: I thini; s they are trying to ru<t into averything at onco. I an I g going to think that p r.,ple li%c you cad CGLE I 10 aca mora concerned achut your.n.usincases than abcut t l 3; children ny ago and c'/ngor antil 7. ses you doing st.ccthing 3_9 about it. g 73 hank you. W l' l a, I, CHAIRMA!I EECHEOI?Ea: Den Rocdcr., i j. f t5 ! 16, sn te li li { it 10 ! i i n -T"

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\\ I 93 ngl 1551 MR. REDER: iq name is Doncld Ecdc.- and I IL/c ..a a h rural area of Campbell r'onnty, Kcntac;r; about four er fira ~ "" miles frem the 3icac plant. I hava a multitude ct c'-jrctionc to nuclear pcrer plants in genstal and to Zi m in pcr':1cular, but I will limit thesc .c ju3t 2n4 tonight. -'I I an deeply :encerned about the unknown af t:

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I plants and animals, the air and the es.rth. Whilo thG r. clear l industry and the govern) ont hava cought to reassu-a us that these offects are minim.1, the fact remair.s that ac one hac;ts 3 uhat they are. As a recent ditorial in tha Saturday Review c.sid, "Especially cbjectionab. e is tha una cf the wo.cd persissibla in gevarnment stritoment.. about dosages of radiation in huma.ns. It's difficult to imagi:.c a mora abcard chuse of authority. 3y what right does any off..c:'.a1 pr2cuna ta pcInic citinera to take radioactivity inte thei-cediea? Eadi: activity is a dec61y I poison. The proper anor.et ed : dicactivity incido the htuu.n hody is nc radicactivit:. Poison ic poison.' I proposo, t'caforc, th t the lictucing ?cr cperation of the Sir =cr plant b2 conti;. gent upen evidtr.ca of gecd faith by the officc ra and.:ccrd miders of CSSI cLat for the nc;:t 25 year these cdficer 3 cnd ;2ard mec6cra cad..h2:_: fcnilies chall live witi.i;i tb:2c 2.ilu cf the 3.~cmer planc and a.1 their childrna and.::.adchi..C cn chall attaud the s_a:;n-348 020 e.,r y = ho c 1 i n x c sc =, d. =1.=g th a t 31=m m.c vou. h h LQ d ele qMign

1 h 1552 l 2 !I 1 1l CEAIRMAN BEC:3:EFMR: Mary Reder. i h "RS. REDER: My r.ame is F.ary Reder. Ianaresidentl ^ c i cf Northern Kentucky a nt. t.ivo aaprox5:nec>.y Icur m:_les from a 1 4' Ii=mer. I have attanded chanc Orcceedings fren thn becinning. j t 5 q For tha last hree days I have lictene-1 to test.ir.ony Oc nearning i

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the Zim:ner cable trays. I have heard Janflicting tectimonics. n f Less than onc percent 0:. the welds on tha cable traya vero } I f 3" tested but the trays ara cafo. The welding was peri'ornad cy marj H { t g.l who were not qualified.md the velds may be defectiva. j, i.

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3, in the construction of :.he Zf.:r:r plant has n& been aponrmt u to me after lictening te the varicus tastimonica. I therefore -n 1.1 li believe it would be in the tublic interest for this Bos rd tc e 4, r a: 3.,,; have an independent age.cy perforn tensile and/cr bend tests on E I 3 -. a random selection of wclds on 2a Zimmer cable trays. This U ll would not only help to c atarnino tho quality of the ucrk that has i ,,m. u 1 h i: gene into the constracti.on of the Zim er planc, but would c1co ! 'i r.. !' help to restera the cret ibility of the NRC and reassure the I' .I ,c ] public that their safet;

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I t. y.7-CEAIRMAN DECTHC#1r2: Rick Cudley. ~ p .I j MR. DUDLE*I: ~ I'm nich Ludley and I would just lika 7 , to say * %t there cre t:0 nany ciuatticas in my mind at thic i point in time about nucica_' ?ns:gy tha t tre going unanswercd. f Thara are too ::.any to ge i tc here, kn: I will nama a few c: 348 02f tuc=- DP a4G trablynFge rw,{L r J

1553 3 They propose a. e;Iacuation plcn which 'a ce is incenceivabic to have t: nyacuata at.~ny time. Befora the Thrac Mile Island accid 3nh n were tof.a there uculd aa 3r: he such a happening. Ecv ;ar thay :>cy that they have 24.tcur.: to notify the peopic by ph:a.a cf an accic.ent? It a2:=, to me that in 24 hcura many of the pucpi.a in that ar a *.x:uld hc d:z.d s: / will be dead shortly. It just ceu a crani:.g to me te ej and ovccusta alcng cne uajo: higPraay.nich is twc lansc: E.ghway $2. It ses:3 al:20st LOpceci:le. I - culd lika to see wn::hody prove to me that th:.y cin evacuats the arc 3. I find the nicitar wacte dispccal to be on-:ito ' thing as they aay right n:3, bcccuce they can't find anyplaco h ~ ' to put the waste -- no stataa at thia time will all:V 10 dumping of nuclear wast and if 9.cy do have an on-sib i storage of the waste, v.t C- -ot create more radiat.ct:.vitr_.7c t only for the citicene b it esgccially ior thcac chilrm in the ' ic=cdiato area. Thirdly, whea tha plaat oW: lives its useful.teca. will it tct - and ir s !aled -- heu can they conceivah..y ce.y ^ that that scaled nuclea: poirs: plant vill stay structm ally sound for cco 3,000 or ICO 0M cr h.':rucr nc.1her cf cars it haa to? 2cr Gy2C'.f i., An 2ct 12 1 pl~ ~;pC ESD t o f T'.CC 12 2 ' pcwor until theca and cr.n,i nunI ctic mmstions a :e anver d and they ha n u m = b:a...:.:; m d e= =y ;=e af=c:1c=. 349 9y7 IU R j d } @ I@M I:id3][4 M 9 Pp;lfdb dd u O J

i i 4 i j i l 1554 l t ;,! I hear Dr. L ipp say th:% -:ca risk ia ucrth i. t. "all, li t .Ih if I have to buy a car hnt goes a fe,.* : ore miles to tia i i.,i 1 1 3.:i gallon, I'll do it. I : ave ene ordc cd right neu aa a mat:ar .; e of fact, and if I have :o cue do:T. oa the number of lu:rriaa I' ~ have I will do it, rath rr ~ han face the rick of nuciaar J c i e li power. ,i i 1 74 I'm very forra-ate in that I'm econcmienlly cound l g g enough to be at ' to move cu t of the 2 sa and I feel r:.ght new i j g h I'm being forcsd to mcv: cut of the ar.u because I wil.. : lot i 4,' livo eight milca frcm Z '.mmer and unfcetunately, thcre are many ! I !! people who have childrat, as I don't, who have to have thcca l l' i H 1.e. children at Moacew Elem..n;ary S.-hcol chat cannet mcVe away, and : i it seems very unfortuna'.c to 2e ard it just seems like a rick i g a3 a N tnat chculd not be takoa. "Oank vou. d ^ i i. , S [i CHAIMIAN 32C:2:27.In: Fli::ahath Dudlay. i (No respecca' i l,u il CHAIEIAM BEC~ GICEFER: Ech Jaillerat. 1,, i p. i i !? MR. JUILLIrX?: M r n2=a in '3cb Juillerat and = fcw

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E 4 5 1555 and capable of controlic.n9 and that e bd really gced ragala-tors in the govern:nont -;he '.x:uld tea thesa type of insuallacions c were properly construct x1 and properly centrelled. It would acc:: :rcm eridence that has ccmc ta light a't this seena to be c :n. rarf rn5 ha;- San what I th uche criginally. It would c:prar dat tha declear nogulche:y - ' Ccamission has actually been in uhe pcc.' et of the pacpic who have been building the 'lcnts. de understand thnt theno p uple t who we thought were actually overscaing cr.d inspecting the construction of these facilities hcvc 3 con allcwing suppliers and the people construc:ic.g the plants to do their cwn inap.ac-tien. There's been no accual, as near an I can detsr:::~.na, g inspection by any quali:? icd gcvartment inspect , who chculd ha in thic craa and taking ca n of this problas. Therefore, I fcel that tha public has bacn duped by the Nuclear Regulat0ry Ccn=i3313n and by the poople bui.idirg thace plants into belic"ing le hava a safe facility when this is not actually the casm Thank ycu. CHAIPS1df BEC::HCEF.13:

ancy Juillerat.

MRS. JUITMLT : U n 'ancy Jnillerat and I live in Ncv r.ichmond, Chic, and thera are saveral que.cticns uhl.cb arise vnen discussing tha Sir. nucin: pouar station and de Cincinnati Gas and Elect:ric Ccnpany. There is the questic.2 in the 2raa of certificacion en kay peopic as well a: the craft =en. I m uld chclienga the Ob P ckgspcjMNg s348 024 mne w 0 J pu 3 v en 4 agm wqu a w a duT P -t ei

d, d I 6 4 155C i 1 i' Cincinnati Gaa and Elec ;ric Camoany to chow poritive, djcetive .i h evidence as to the q'__.'.:.fl.cacione, cartifications -and test l ^ c 2 y records of every craftsnan that has performed work en the i l'; I < j c-itical essential syntsua. p. .i 5 I would also include ASSI cartification f,r

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Also, it wet _d.:e nice to know tha bac.%rcrmA [ o I i 7 qualificationa and cert..ficationc of M. James Senott :inco c; ha's going to be the prf.mr.ry plant cpe'ations angincar. i 9 li Why, when a nucler plant la so peasibly dercstating l H It i 10 hl to such masaca, would tue " accept as ia" appear in a documsut? l l-a

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If preceduros set forth U 3 p, ' aren't as good as they chculd ha, then dccumentation of chcage g in regulation should apisr. Otherwisa, ucrk stamped " accept ,. i .,~. O. as is" should be made to fit spacificatiena. I would :i'ce to ,,, peint cut that 10 CFR 50 A.ppandin 3 outlinas enact criteria. .i l-

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laa e 6 for prima y and redandant 972terae. An c:tample is reduci2q ! the distance between th2 grinary er.d _ sdun-lant alacerical ayctu I ~ ' frca two inchas vertica1. by fcur inc.x 3 hori: ont:al to 1-1/1 inch by 1 inch and still all s ccmo arcac bo touch physical..y. If the design critoria are not to ha folicwed, then wh; v:ics r' chen? t Ecw does the Fr.C 2c21 shcut tuo fact that thc la i. only a six percent accc :ttaca rate en the electrical hanga: system? Echter yat, dc yOu cara? Finally, thc.re ar0 Contradictions :Jithin tho sy;bc:a 'I and L'le NRC. A case in point 10 the radiation wasto build.ng which at Zinm?.r coces u.'dc.: Clacc D ci3tc2 r.on-essen cial. 7at g 10 CFR 50 Voluna 40 Ntabe-13, dated January 20, 1975, " Appendi 3, page 1, cennradicts thi3. Alco Apper. din Ce 34'a) " of the IdiSI, 452.5 which appear: in the ?SAR, is contrndictory. >~ Why do I mer : ion this specific inchance cf the E radiation saate buildin.;? 1all, a spct chcck of the welds was condccted, They didn't pasa. Gcntismen, the credicility of CGSZ in very los. '?he credibility of tha HEC .~.s vsry icu. Pleaco increaus yce-crcdibility regardles.3 rf :he e me, r gardless cf the tima. 8 Dcn t licanae Cirmar. C.* *..*' l '.Y '.".m"..'1'.-r."-'.* ~ '

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I don'i balieve ycu can be happr 2./ you don't, and I don't believa you men can ha happy Licencing tacco olancs. Thank yet. CHAIT;4AN S!.CI:::0::FEP.: Acrry Stockberg3r, is. ITCC'*.3I FIC-2 R I'n :!erry StockhcrgO:' frca batavia, Ohio. ,i I toc -- I do not hava a prcrarad statcrert, 1: Ut I just want to say 1.cv I locl. I too moved to C121r.cnt County to get aucy frcm che pollecion, to liva n nicc o clean life. liy nain ec en=1 ic alco the cany quectienc that have not been answaroc.: rr.hly th3 nuclaar dispacci, the wacte. c Tnat are yc u going te do with it? I would like i to know if you tco uc'.1d. also like to live alengsid2 of it? I dca't want to. My life la hc-thirds over, '.,at I dct thinking of futura gerarations. We hava kic c to thin 3c aho r.t and ycu hee? sayir.c. it's going to take umpte:-n yn. c fe' 21ic wanta -- you don't have any facts, You c an 't.cnew. I

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i l' 1552 ,I i david 4 They ccma to che curface. Children cre playing 2 II l cn them. I an j ust nc t -- I just implora you not to license }

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I naa:1, there are not enouch answers r' 7t .t + 1 .I r.ow. I don't think tir: the truth is being told to tae p'2b.t.ic 5N 1 and there are so few tha: era willing to get 2p and act 6 like the grcup hero ir. There are thouncnds of people cut 7 there, if you vere to take surveys, who do not want this 31 nucisar pcuer. They'ra afraid cl it. They're scared to 0h j death of it and it vill he their deaths scener er later. !0 t l I thank you. l 1. CHAIE!AN BEC2HOIPER: Cathy Barrcw. I 1 l' l (No roupense.) l Evie Dennison? 1 1 14 Il j' (No response.) j 15f Jack Hamm. iG ' (No respc:;ta.) 17, Marge Gilman. l I 8 1 '3 i (No response.) 4 m; ~~ Peter Schwenkmeyer? i i e.n. i i. (No respcasa.) il 21 :i

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.t.. )J 4 4 (20 respenre.) 9 avid 5 d Terry Nickham? (Mo raspen?3.- I'm scing

o call senc ::f the nanas I <:alled earlier who didn't catwc..

Vicki Oldecker? (No responsa.; 3i11 Smith, f E MR. SMITII: .Tirst cf all, I would lika :o ::end an affidsvit from Donald Tazell vho ir a verker at the m nn plant. "I Donald 12aell, aga 30, reding at 3G - - 3<.01 Stata Route 132, Amelia, her?by stat

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."aiser Enginecra for -- as a materici c.cntrcl clerk at the 3 ; Zirnor nuclear power clant frca August 1971 to >tarch 1975 g and that I have persec21 k cwledge ar to tha factc he.ccirt.f ttr e m e-. ., ~ a t "In ny captcity as a control clerk, I precaca field verkers reders cad recuisitienc. During a tuo week period I was located in a large shach wic a the vielding rod was kept cc verify velding rod issued foe a.'.1 welding at the "i==ar aiu2. 'It was :.y respencibility to in a non-unica capacity to ensure thac union pipe issto reda in qtlin : icy and temperature according t.o spoeificabien. zyn@t..w qRm)to p% 7 P n[m{ aw 0 ng # D;w 4 !mg h v ut& d E !d d tr d j 348 037

1, 1 1564 i n "I observec that velding reds issued frcm the '.i davidG i 1' 4* was neu ' 'i rod shach but they retaincd the untzed rod ,i 3 l, sent btei to the warche ur-other than to be rchcated to i l o Ij Specification. f l s 11 { i: Gl "The retur7en reed uas ucraly reheated in the l i e j, red shach which deec r et heat the rod to required apacificatio!:t 't'l 7 j before being reused. i ll "The returiad rcd should have gone back to O the warehouse where 11 vould bc reheared to required I I' l 1 10 specification before being used. I "The red snack cven could not reheat it to the t o proper temperatue. It is ccmmen knowledge in thebuilding n ;!i l s lI trade the. hot rod issue for atreau weld will not hold

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-r y S tc.igs., I hesiti:ad <t 1 criginally cor.ing to ticsc h 2 riace becc.us2 liko hoe. rings on rato rc,.iuests bw. rc u. A.3. tty c.:rIu.2 clons, puc t.4 c

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~~ ;, celdcm dcca a public cuil 7y cc.I.aiLcior., an<1 apparar:2.y '~ l Verv 3CidCU dc33 thO s ' ;l Mr ECT *lC.iOry C05'"d.SSiCO t */03 m 6 g m.ery muca 2erw cn s= m... c1micc. 348 036 ,, 4 m,,. _,.1, , mw .c... .ra ~ ,g A 4. a ....s. m.~.,- %q, g h... i h.*. 7 .f. g! ,! I.d* J W-@y.s @n j

y" D 15 9 ti 1: f DB2 technical tarms, in m2fi ni t'. roc 10 - c: on and s0 fceth i 1 il can be cut very simply: .il:. Hiis group Gf p3spla, 0:3 !i h duciaar Ragulatory Cear.k;;iorg.cr hnu firn h tima in cl.zir .q 1 V i 4 lj his tory say no to a nuc.'.oc.: pc.ecr p.'. ant? After H yacca, I 'l 3 l9 1 isn't it time we heard.1 no? I i ,j 5h T. Tat is the rc al greatica, Ic i.S act abcut all ot 4 i ,H theco other probles.s thic ara going down. It is not just 3n about welding, not alout Ledi. cal probicas or what are i i i i l you going to do with tha uns:e, or '1hau are you scing tc do j c. ol' 10 'i with tha malformed cLildren 30 years from new or the i 11 cancor epidemic, Tnt electi:n 10 are ym.1 going to say ro, i I t because it is a real serious qu4stion. That plant is CS j3 g 73f percent complots and it in t10 first me to conc dchn } ,,, j the piks sincd Three 1.la Ia..and, I'o you want % bc cho i .=l next one to hava a =citdown? Are you prepared for that? w i I l Arn you? l ,2 ,m l h g Aro ycu prspa.:a. to c :nrinue licenciag plaad: ad infinitum? Ad naasa :a? hen do you stop? Ecw rn.cn 18 evidenco do you need? ' lou gentlanan sit i. tor and :.ct 3g ' like ycu aro duaf, dcac and :lind. It is about tima you r I i s tartad hearing what pr op1,a in c.lis country ara say:.nq - l Well, I am 91td soactr.di woka ap. I don"t hava lI,' any questions to ask. j ust wz.at to kr.ow wnca you.tra i 4 going to S.rf noa ,.4 3 9 1 BSbQu m n.qghq

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tenths ago we chculd wait unail '2r. :s ic.cother sccic'est cn tha highway, with sc.:e truck c:.r :ying *.dlo caaka,.

Gr . J r.L17be vc should wait 2 r anc'e.ar cacident lika in Utan yellowcaka 1:y on tha reaa for a 20W renths ago whera .h?. 12 hours hefera your g:.oup could gct their ahit togataal: u., ,,o., :c,ka L;.,. b ,,.a7,,, o,.,.. c, s+ h.,. v,e-r.v. e .,2., .z .,.,,.i.,..,.. .s.s. a<:.n.,.. av,. s q.., y 3 e 3, +. .a ~ to say e.nd it c.ces cc er c: vcur lit la ciacca cf.m. e ilnd.fgu .,s.1.7 g.,p..i.f,,..) 2 4L ..vg ,3. ;. 4. 7,. C s....Q 3 i cal. ws y. ~.. a.. sg .4.1 c..,, e. g a.~ a o. _n n ~. a,, a.. ,,a g.. u n.. .,. - -,.n,...- ~.~9 ~ .z_ 348 038 v ry _.. syqm n

p t I I I 2.570 l l I!dofroathehcginning. L a'h W -.rea? Is;? t it? Ycu DD4 2 have dena 1:: 70 tire:., Mc one ae:.o really e.- px ta 2.:n L j4 33 to changa.vour raini c'.7, Us a gact v.ca to Mc.cp c:. licimaing l b. t 4Y thera -ntil wa havs t: rac cr four colddowns s Your sceple 5 hid Enrico rar=a froc *de IJuriaan public fer fiva '.,w.rs, j f 's 'l 1966, Octcher 13.

ie a]mst lest Detroit the last tiae, 7'

we alnost lost Harris: burg, ilhat are you waiting for? l 8 Until we almost lous Laa icgi31cs? Is that what ycu ara l 9 l Vaiting for? Or are yoa proyared to finally say it is I I 10, time to stop nuclear pnrer, j l, l 11 I Technical argur.cnta, acdical arguments, they i i I l o 12 ! are all the sanu, yor hacw taan as well as anyone else l 1 does, ' sttor, prcbaN.y., If you don't accept them, you are o 13 tither daaf, dumb, aad blind, or all threo., And that. 10 t

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. c: ns ,l I l Are you prapc:cc to say no to nuclear pcvsr ti.aally? l ,3 Af tar THree Mile Isl.nc ? After 3arico Forma, after j-i I t 6

gj Browns Ferry, af ter to accidents that hava occurred in j

England? Ecw many.2c:e do you nead? After hho i $9 I l 39 Racmussen report has bcan diacr2dited? After ths danger-f I noss of radicactivit-r matarisis mep incraasing ysar after year? When a::a yoc going to say no? That i.. A1 g i we are here for. ;!a in.it 1cnt ycd ;o say no, a s. imp..e . ii word, it dcean;t t,G: 3.:.uca cffort,' j us t "no, " -d 9 i k is tbr0 2 T.1G bU 1ri.hG. [OCS13 arO $Od Cp w. Il DC ,, t -., i 7 Ccr21 sci c, cil compan:.as, wl.t,:L E;clagr ? m plarpp)ta 7 u 4 WG g I! y.[o(O fi d !; ) y M Q Ij.';f f ?. 'l o pa L 348 039 c 3 wouG wuuuehfutwL

4 r.)i m 2, d DB5 ~ ' vith Babcock cad IU. lect- 'IS and P.a r'.mt of the.a who .m e.3 -, c 4 g e 3.., s,,,, n..,, 3. 4.... :..< c.,... m: ,,,,. a a...- ...>n- .u.w a..- f ^ y, s '..in S.vcw. s cm-e. .,...c.. .- s. ' "'..m' .7. o-t- '--.c a"m.r.. s w .~ d theccalves will becora :. dice.ctivt '-tacts and wi > ~/ a 4 -i -j to ba chut dcun, bec une r.cene ;n:. no longar en.ar 2 hen., i

o Wh2t about thc c:sSA of cicaning thca up?

.ic ; 2-i l' fl goirg to pay foi-that? I m. iced in tne Vall S*. rest p. i 3 Journal the.t GP'J juai got c. G.5 parcnnt rate increase in 9 i New Jorsey to help pty *cr thei'. prr.bl3ms dua to Th:20 2 !! Mila Island. Do yet spect the cuatoma 3 of CSO and I 1 2CG and EDP and CG53 to c.lso pi2 up tha tah when an r accident occurs 2t ti.:.- e-lan*.? Dc 'fou? Or are vou I T .i .r a. preec. rad to say no? Oc "2 cu hav.3 cr. answer? I an asking you a quOsnicnc. I am tifin'J ;c b -> p*: l i t a., I CHAIRMA:I BECIC.OIJIG: Thu Ecara docan' t have ho I i answer questionso .i MR. STAIGER: ?ca 7.ra nc?. hn-n -- unll, blesa ny 1 i scul.

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Nhy? Nhai arc you here for? i 1 4 WHat are we hera for if not to answer questions. Ha ccma 5 hero with concerna, I have sat and Aictaned to people l 5 say things which ara nr.:r and daar to their heart, coneccas ~ t 7I with r.eltdown, the dagarc of r2dicactivity, questianc i f 3 about who is going te ua':n cara of *:his stuff for t?ca s of thousands of yean. Ques".icnc atout wnat is going 10 i to happen to those 105.cid;,.. hat ar.2 gointi to te in 11 the schcol that is a quartar of a mila frcn tnc plast. j I And you sit there cac. tal'. :ae you don' t hav3 any aneware. g 13 That takes a le. of ror-ra; yea kr.cw that? A whole 10t ta of nerve, o 3l CHAI.'@iAN DECHF.CE7En: Cur anewsrs appear in cur l jg i decisien. 17 ! 5% STAIGER: I %scu, 70 tilms you havs Scid ycae i I la I want to kaon when :cu are <;cing t say no., i

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l 1576 i i e. if i Ib vorld and nhece terr;rista can cross our corders and ccme in and dc irrep.,r'.Qia da:ngh l 9- ,d 3h I hopa you viil considcr snic as ono of tha f acts. d 4 h: I absolutely in no w:rr :endcac this, I dcn't want to I I 5l imply tant at allo law they do 22:ist, tha rcd Army exists, l 4 3 :! the PLO c::ista and wic;' Nould 112.3 nothing cottar than i i 7l to -- thsy probably uculdn's bothe.: with Moscow But I i o 1 e;l liva here, and if ona beliavos in the infinity of 'te i. h g-universa, then the possibilitics of thia do G::ist, I vir.h 11 li I j a 'i you could consider taa% t 1; CHAIR'WT BECIEiO "ER: Is thera anhona haro who !2 ' hasn' t bean heard ha. ors and who wiches to maka J. i statemant? i i t~e l 1 t l 74 4 Please come for urd. I can't aay in what order, i

. j MR. S li U T T L E 3 W O F C S

My name is Roverend l t Shuttlesvorth, a citizen of Jincinnati, originally from 3 d I r n Birmingham, Alabana, i e/

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The Comm13siccars who are here, I shuddar at your responsibility. It is aw2 soma in that ycu have the 3 g[ authority to say yes or no to the Zimmer nuclear plant l S i and its licensing, j n, I hope that thia hearing la not like most puclic g fl hearings, which are required by law. We just hold a 2, l] hearing and go ahead and do what big businesses, the ~ big =cnopolias van as to do, }fg Qfg h i' (%@;6a dudMdL

y 1577 ,1 i 1 06 ngl 'i l I'm not an e pert and I do not proccec to bu one. I, a h an a siaple, ordinary p tr:on, k'cwing that the sbple virtues ii 3 " of life and living are %c boat. tg i n y. I do net bolJ.e a thac Gcd intended that we 2.ive under ti t p 5 ' an aver-increasing cice:' cf acr.plexitiss, not knowing uhether a Jijuhonwolaydowntonight. icmo r w is even premised to uc. j h t 7 Nuclsar energy is a ?crce of nature which ycu can t P 3 licence man to use, bu : thich neithar you ner the man you .i 1. 9 ;! liccuse can fully contr.-l. ~1cu know more about it than most 19 ' of us in this rocm and I'r sure mest cf the people who tectify I

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I, O befcre you, but thars uarc many pacple in this ;cuntry who i 1 [I thought at ena time triaG tha pa0ple who used to dcmonstrata e-il } against the nuclear su.r.crinos and other things up in 3, ~2 l i yhConnecticutandotherp?.aceavere"nuka-flukes." W. hs.ve found ii.: h cut that those people warc pocnssed of a.wisdca that had r.ot t> I. g, yet come our way and so thero a e scac lessons frca Three Mile ; gj Island that we cught nccer forg at and that one in the possi-bility of miscalculatic,: ' y man and nalfunction by the very ) '., i q I l' best that they can creaue in machinos. i ,q ?! t i g,j Gentlemen, t~..e bubbla that you did not blow up at Ll Three Milo Island and darnd mt to hurat tells uc plainly that l. .., i y nuclear power le a thinrj thau wa do net need, neither can wa control.

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Peoplc are n.c -icnal about it and t' ere was a tra shon I was not as fully against it as I an e.c>, but I cc 348 046 ITf M ORWpp U D h a h i M g ll f f j f

1378 2 0 totally again:3t nuclear pcuez. I chin:: it is cc=ethinc we can i do without. I think it s scRething big buciness c.r d:' without! ,e and I think it's co=c2.ng unat ycu rc. ally have no jusuidiable U. reason to licence any f..r:. f i Uell, finally, I t'ai.k all of s did cno thing thz.t we. 1 5 '. could do at Three Milo. 3 '.and. We s11 prayed. I dare say you I 7, prayed. I have no righ; ce question ycu and demand an encuar. 4 3 You'ra just simply taking tactixny. But take that along. You t I did pray, I'm cure, wit'. da rest of us becausa you were on the: 1 iC p spot. You were supposed to be the caperts who knew har to a defuse the other c: perta enu to put out the other problenc that p . i; the other experts had cr.uczd. leitnar they ncr you were able !.2,' to do anything but, li't ca, go,down en their knacc ar.d pray, 1; ll and if you didn't pray, acknouladge that awescre posaitility of g - 1 Ccd and the fact that Eu cugi t 10 help us in his mercy. I'm i .i 8 I w !l glad to say I prayed. ..l.' of na prayed and then wa we.3td uponl+ 1 i r h the Lcrd and in his marcy he :llemi tne plant to ecol dcwn. i I i; n ?! Meu I think J.t ought to ho coolar than that, ar.d n finally co phased out and bwcma etcrnally cold, and I hope t x h that Zi:::ler will navar bc lir.un3ed to Tot hot in the firat p i place and we uen't have to wait and pr2y that it will te coclad.' 2-l dcwn. Thank rou. .g I w ;i CFA.2 MAN 33CMOUI2: Pz.rh Rahn. -.c s. 7 101. RA3S: M-n n i a 1.3 Ecrk Rahn. I'm a accher ed .j the Stauard Werkers of Inc.rica :'.ccal 1353 and the Sccialist ^^ '.'T Q ~ [] di m da 6,CM,dC M d s ~ .Q Q 7 D. 9 ..rQ. p@q dn 348 047

j' l l 1579 j 3 i 11 i j !'l, kWorkers Party's candiditn for a ty Ccuncil, and so far the only i 2j candidate who has spoke s cut fcr chooting de m all nuclear planta e ? and weapons. The nuclear indus try is threatening the livea of,i i I everyone aircady on the planat and is placing the silliens of a . i. i t 5 dollars in profit made uheough nuclea: power and weapona beforel 6 j tile right of futuro gena ations to e ict. Youth who ara growing l n i i 7 d up right now are having ti. air entire futures placed in cueation.;I u i 8d Every month Micre is anothcr repcrt of another nuclei-c. 1, 3 9 q plant leaking radiation, cr mrkers ccsing cut saying tha plant i w 4< they built is defective. And recently ex-GIs, who wero cade to o li p witness nuclear bcmb te sts, by the ansed forces and are now con-l i3 ,1 b tracting cancer, vara told by tae government they had no right I Le S, L, N. to GI benefits and canN suo the govar :mont for damagen. This h y [,, governcent doesn't rewed ita acidiars for their servicca; it q ._ L kills them. { ij 10

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The main dangar to American people's lives is the ! drive of the giant corperatiens and bcsks and gover=cer,t they l,e i N*^

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"5" E' E " '3 il i ,c :: world over, including wr rhing peopla in the United Statcc. .1 't 20 ;1l American people are being poiscacd by Ame--ican-cened necinar 1 _, Y pcwer and waapons plante and wa.::te dumps. 8 .a I j Chvicualy, thic posa Cola ceyadeath cataatrophy cust y be stepped and prevented, ::d caly the worksrs of this country : = li ' have the pweer to do thc t. The unions have to lead thia ' struggle through aducation, dE=onstrations, strikes and the 8 r %w/ kg?m e w w ~,mc im e mjr 348 048 o t t ifa V aa m j M F L 1 1

1 1530 4 formation of a labor party that would fight against 22d unceat ~ ' the present big bucinca;- p nitician.1 is the ocacerat and ' Republican Parties whc Ere stil:. trying to shcVe nuclear pcwcr, ~ a centinuing arms race, at:i tha threat of a new drnft dcun zur ~- ; throats. Only a workern goverrnene, a gcVennent that ih;nctions- in the interact of workins pcop'.a, not the owners of inte.ctry, e h can stop this madncas, and that 13 wha *. the Young Socialist Allinnea, Socialist Worker 3 Party and ny castaign stand for. Th:2 e present inhabitants of citf council scan more 'nterested in b increasing arms to the local cops to te rcrise blacha and cther 9 poor pocple than coming on-for cur right to axist by opposing i construction of Simer. f My campaign ' cili fight with the anti-nuka monnent a ' and in the union to shut doun Zfrmr and crmry other nuclear power and weapons plant in this countr. Thank you. i Ma. STAPlas: 27 nr.nc is Jeff Staplea. I'n 1 ~ citizen of Cincinnati. l Parsonally, fir 3t of all, I'd like to ask yc2 if ycu can pay for the dange that could posa.'.bly ha donc bf t':tc nuclear plant: that you have licen3ed and the one that ycu are planning on licensing I'm sure. I don't aca heu you pocaibly could. So I don't ace what right y:n hava to let that go on. There's just tco such dangar. Tia all kncy ascut ic. We all know that thera ars T..cstiens e.:t haven't h w n ans ared that need to be ansurri.. We all :: row thre's nothirff :n can hf - II Jdd efik GljhML343 049

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t that are probably going t., and they could kill us all nax: j ~= time. ~ 1 It's =y contantion t'2at the only way that any i 7' nuclear power plant ove r ot licensed, any one of the '?0 thcc I t the Nuclear Regulatory cr. mission ha3 allovod '.o opera':e, all l i.; , these have been put thr,uqh, all these hearings -- the only i. i 10 : way that thoso things etr; got licensed was from the coney of II big business, the cil ecmpanies, the power ccapanies. I!

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alf to you, Iid like to see a thorough U, investigation of the Nuclear Re;ulatory Cecmiscion 1:ecauso in a

4" the face of what's happ 2ndd I j 2st don' t believe that "ou arc d 'l { (5 lj acting in the public intarast. I don't believe that the I i '.l utility companica are acting in the public intsrest by letting i I t E,' thcee things he built,':y paying fer tha:. I don't thf.nk enat i, i 4 i the people who pay thei-- bills and allow the money te be used 1 F / fcr nuclear plants ara Teting in tha public interact. 2C I Everything connected with nucimr power is totally l 2 dangercus and I think 11 c:Cis of men.2y and I'd really like 22 ' to ses ycu do scmething tc prova your cradibi!.ity by authorizinci 22 an thorough investigatica of yo Ir deptr'::sst. 22d i a'_so would t li'te a thercugh investic a.ica dona cf av:r;7 drslu p a.n - idw' ~~ is licencM hecause as .e ':now :hings.2ra goin<: te cw.c. up Shan u[ 348 0.50 J

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9 ' ] may be. Thay cught to a-cnat bo u.: to sm2cificationa. Chank ; p t i . 4 you. 0 1 Gh HRS. r.TY STI E2T: My nr.ms ie. Raty Strm an 2nd I m i 7 fj also a citizen of Cincir.nc :.i. I'd lit to recd frca this book. l t g - ;l It's called "The Big ned D:.ary* and acct of it is taksn from I i l-3 fl government reports. The chatictical ecchnicues used ir tho { ,n, m~ i Rac::ntseen Ecpert predict 2d that an accident lika that at the i Mf Snrdco Forni Reactor uhc3 part cf the core fuced and tha 12 f} reactor had to be writt: l 1 off shculd inppon only occc in a H i 100millionyears. Similarly, tha tc<:hnicto gava tha highout i e 1" n chances of the 600 megau'.tt Creeden 2 reactor near Chicago goingi U t n l'> 1 out of control and dischscring radicactiva iodine at 100 timos J n i 13 !j the permitted 1cvel as t:: ice in 2 million, million, million f 17 ] years. It happencdon Juas 5, 1970. t I i 's il A USAIC raccr: :.n May 1974 toted that 307 accidenta I 19 'l in American nuc1 car plan 1 ccald ha7a baan cericuo 22.d 13 of l l.i l EO i! thc;1 ucro cerious. Eunan crror cauced most of th =. Ecma 4 i 21 ! axampisa of this h'mn c:. :::

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I hevo other c::amplea, but you all know the f acta, I e "n Mpposedly better then tu, l think it's significant -- one l , l'a' ~' s, thing -- that you'ra all n:n up hers. I think that tells a lot.9, ' q! Aa I say, you cra all avare of :.he f acts but yet you hr.ve never l a 0,lrefusedalicensefreman; applicant, and I think that tells i ( 7 4 us something too about :he c.redibility of this Board. If ] Now if you den't list.en to us here tcday and in the futura, S we will get louder and it::enger until you can't ignore uu. i t M [, MR. PORTER: M:/ name in William Porter. I'm a

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l taxpayer and hcme-cwner in Cincinnati. My cc= cents are 'i t. 1% il personally reflectivo. I cana narc frca the East ci,: years ago e ti 13 [ to find a par =anent place to live away frcm pollutien end i s. 1" ] crowding. I thought I hid found it in Ohio. Two events over l:e !5j the last two years have influen:ed my life tremendously. The a Mo first was fantasy; the accor/* was reality. 0 'T I The first wa.3 ceeing a movia -- King-Kong. I left Rd that movie in total despair. I don't knew why it hit zo so '3]hard,butitdid. What wc ware doing is raping our environment 4 20 0 It atruck me wo were bef.ng e::plaitad by oil companies. It 2, struck me I couldn't aven :cmunicate this asn2e of helplessnes5 I2 - to my children. I resc:.ved to accuire acreage and I determined ; y 23 " to boccme self-sufficier t.

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1534 0 negotiated for land two at_d a half miles frca.",i:tmer. h At that time I fa.in't that concernsd about nuclear energy. My awareness 1/I:1 Snda't baan raised ve::y higb.. The second eJc;t 'Iac Three Mila Island. At that 5 peint I became tarrified. Il caddenly de.cd on me that I a could no longer bo passive and resistant. I had to find cuc. 7 Fortunately, I was still rep tiating for the land over a periodi l of ni:: months at a ccst of t.irca cr Sour thoussed dollars and acr.ebcdy who was really a moral person cllowed me to break that-e contract because hs kne7 how I felt. I ga.vc up that land which I hed waited so 1cng to live on andlocksd scmewhara else. I e finally solved my personal dilc a by buying a farm in Kentucky.! r3 So you have lost one taxpayer in Ohio. .i So I finally resolved it to be what I considerad a 3 a :, '. moral isano and I'd lika to ;anks these final closing curnents. .z It is 4-nral to build a plant and to licence that w f f s 3,

plant with no safe placi to dump waatn.

There is no safo place' I 80 it's immoral to license it. It's in cral to build c. plant ' and not prevido a safo ;1 tee of evacuation in case of s.n accident. It's immoral tc build a plcat which bacenes obsolete I in 20 years. It's immoral to build a plant which in itself will becc=s a tc1stons to rcdi2ctive Pluto, Gcd of the Dead. j, ' It's imnoral to e/en cons dar liccnairc 1 plant until it's absolutely prevan safe. That cannoc vnr hap;en; thar.fera it shculf. narer 348 Q}}

'l 1 1385 9 l 'l l: 7 !' be licensed. It's irmo? a1 to license a plant that nakas a h E l! l mockery of my constitutimal ri; hts. It's i= oral to build and ' I 'l j: license a plant which inpingoa 1 pen my guaranteo of life, t ! 1.iberty and tha pursuit c:1 luppiness. The threat to life is ~l "i obvious. The threat tc libarty is Ices obvious. Thoro is no i: I ~ i, escaping these planta. My liberty is takan cuay. i: 7 8 ll 2 ij l Il 1C t I I u !! i+ l a un 1 li 1 a :- !f IG !! i n i s n

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e 1536 i' 1 david 1 The threat tc mv hr.ppincan ia also obvious take 26 and real. What kind c f .nppiness can there be living under the threat of another I:arrachurg. It is i:= oral for '.l all of these thingo; tae.rcny is is it is not 1112g21. a, .3 i Uhen immorality and illegality can beccce brothers and sisters t J we are in a sad atate. ai' 7 0 Don't licer se Zimmer. Thank you. .i a 'i 03pplause.) a m MR. ARMITAGE : My ra=a is Ken Armitage, and I've been listenin;; here and everybcdy is saying things that I would li:: to say c:: cept they've said the:2 g g better, and they've bean a lot nssti=r someti=cs. ,] But these points cano cut to ne about this i .I ~ industry that we're talking ahout which is Zimmer;

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an industry that cannet aven ccmorehend its cwn vital ~1.. i: 'i statistica; an i.ndustry that naintsins scme philosophy that ,1 J propels itself against a.1 corzien sanse. t 4 It's an ind.:stry that is cor. trolled in security -- these are held accountable abcVe the actionc of private a citi=ans groups, y i g 'i It's an industry that's under attack in ally n_. phase of its operations by 2:: parts ia finance, medicine, t t politics and managaren.. It's an :.neustry that is mounting an aver e.wanens prog.mn of in ge enaa.,c n nt u m u u 2s ! k m#% [+ v ? - p p v i f,' u d I, - t " - y J su %/a w { JJ

l 1507 1 I david 2 1o under new research anc. ::rutiny of the old. I k 2 It's an inductry whose programs are' based on e 1 3 present techno1cgy and expansion based on assumptiens n I 4I ascertained through improvement of technologies; a 5l technology that has fclien short or its promisc eve.n by l 1 6l the standards of its rest expert preponents. 7 It's an industry -- and this is the most impatant 9 part -- that drains rcuoarce s frcm more viable projects a and extends itself in battle against honest citizens. 10 And this it at uneasurable cost to ou. onergy it industry, and private citizens, and this is simply madness. 12 i We can't stand for it. 12 Probably t*te one thin that everene vculd 14 understand is as long er this keeps goir: on, you are 1 13 j creating your own opccoltien. The intensity of that opposition i 15 is going to be a direct reflection of your afforts. i

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Thank you. i } 13 h (Applause.) I' I 19 i MS. WRIGHT:

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I'm a l 'l citi=en of Cincinnati. Reverend Chilworth (phonetic) 20 it 'meutioned the hydrogen buble -- and I have hera -- it's a g l 22 l rather icng article. I'll only read parts of it. "Most nuclear reacters in the word are operating ~a 1 't i l with a fatal design flaw brought to life by the recent

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h 1588 a 4 d " Fuel rods in thosa r2accars censist of uranitm h avid 3 I 2 cxide fuel pellets in thin me"al tuhas called cladding.

.i THe material currently used, the cladding in all water cooled reactors is en alley of tne matal circonium which a

reacts violently with weher under a variety of conditions. I i "No viable alternative to the highly dangerous _o / a nirconium exists. Because of the zircenium cladding, water cooled nuc1 car reacters run a high risk of violent I chemica? explosion anc'. citestrophic releace of radioactivity. i j In all but ono of the 72 reactors ir. the U, S. -- they're q water cooled, as are 95 percent of the nuclear plants in M 'i the world cutside of Great Britain, uhich uses gas cooled ,e ~ reactors. 4 "At three Mila Island, mechanicd. difficulties i :, led to a partial less of cool nt and a partial meltdown of the reactor core. "As an emergency measure, reserve ccoling water was sprayed onto the dangercusly -- ento the dangerously ' l c rerheated cora; hydrogen exploaicna occurred in the ~ containnent and later a huge bubic interfered with i e" efficient ecoling of the damaged cere., presenting the pcssibility of a hydregen explosien inside the raccher vossol. g 'Spchonen for the utilAty cen3any.nd Nuclear 2gulatcry Cc:=lssion c12.imed igacrnnco on the subject of 348 057 6M$!k J

o 1589 l the origin of the hydrogen bubble rufcrring to it as a driid4 1 t 2 new twist, something that had not boon foreseen when the reactor was designed. 3 i .; l "The next day the bubbla shrank and disappeared." 'I g !j Okay, then another part of it: "The nuclear l 3 sl industry and the NRC know full well the hazards of =irconium e 7l fuel cladding, but they also knc'.i that ther e is no safe I il alternative to zirconium in water cooled reactors. a :): F g' "The NRC is therefore putting the i

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blame on individual operators and insufficient regulations. 11 the power company, Metropolitaa Edison, and the reactor ul manu"acturer, Babcock and Wilcox, are locking for scapegoats. l 13 ":: ire nium cladding, then, is the Achilles heal

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of nuclear reactors. Ironically, applying energency ? cooling water to en overheated core results 11 a violent .g I i chemical reactor -- reaction of the water with the m;. i: zirconium producing arge amounts of heat and explcsive .. 9 b'i i hydrogen gas. I 8y h g] " Destruction of the cladding, weakening of the Il jI cv. reactor vessel and hydrogen explosions and Isrge leaks of d radioactivity are caused." .,,: a ifj "Sinco no safe material ecn be substituted for the g ._2 p'l zirconium, the nuclear industry obscuras the fact that these I i 'l reactors have a fatal c.ccign f.'.aw.' i ..~. I ONay, I jusi havC a de'.f nC!eS thai dre perSCnal 348 058 0 -e P 0R 0kMk

l L 1590 'I i' is david 5 i I've been interested in cavironnental issues I i \\ for about three years and in the last year and a half have i 3" become fairly active in :he anti-nuclear issue, mainlybbenuse, of the health croblems. What I an unsura of is what we ara 'i ) 3 ' going to do instead; evarybody says, yo1 keev, solar is I ~., .i so far in tho future. ~ Well, in October I went to Kansas to hear 3 3 Amol'f Lovins (phontic) who is a physicist and the

j British representative to friends of the earth.

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ij from his book Soft Energy, I bacanc convinced that it's i; possibic to take the esft path cuccessfully,. and that it is 3 y, not for 20 years in the future. I could go into come of his alternatives, but he styc it nuch batter, and I suggest that you road his hcok. f 8 There are a fav things that I am concerned about: 4 first of all, the inflation. Nuclear pouar plants havo .2 t vast amounts of capital which deprive the 23t of the i econecy frem making une of thctroney. g It contribttoa to unemploy=cnt because it j generates many times fewar jobs for dollars inv2sted than scat other induat-ics. 7 It also laads to loss of civil liberties due to the security involved maybe for the nuclear plant. 9 ~~ Another ccncern -- and prehably my biggest -- and 3A8 059 I'va he2rd scactedy else W.!k,;cn,,44 thic evening -- is _~ f eL.m

I 1591 david 6 1 wate produced. I den t unC.or 3tand how you all -- the NRC -- 1 2 could license a plant.':ncwing that thera is no way to contain 3l that waste and how dangere;c i.t is. There are several l N I 4q places in the United Stntes, ind I don't think that -- that l

t 5j issue alone is enough to daay this plant a license.

l, l W en you combine these things with the fact that this i G! h e 7 nuclear plant -- with c: without accidents -- it makes sense af to turn our backs on nuclear power and towards the alternatives t i which make a lot =cro sensa, 3 fl o 10 j (Applause..: i

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MR. WORDDIAN: Mr. namein Paul Wordeman, and 81 I'm a resident of Cin.:innati. Ac one of the many people

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dollars, I'd like to address Il 13 0 responsibilities that I see at tt.: NRC licensing board --

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gy despite the evidence documenting the catastrophic consequenec4 4

.,b associated with a nuclear accident er an act of nuclear s 1 terrorisa; the NRC has continued to license all nuclear 18 I 4 I power plants. 79 jl I. i e 29 ;! Likewise, you have chosen to ignore the issues 'i -i '1 of nuclear waste dispasal and longterm low level radiation g i t b effects. e.:-- d, } d Were it no: for tra environmental policy f -~ a l regarding nuclear pcuer plants and the initial capital l investments made bv tae utili ti ccmpanics, cne might be ~~z 348 060 tempted to ask why. g ] r qp q h [dd$h EddNNd

1592 f 4 david 7 Yet, I still can't help wondering why men such as yourselves purpctedly vieu;.ng this as a debatabic issue can continue licencing these p~ ants in gcod conscience. I challengo you and all other proponents of i 9 nuclear power plants to previde an e:cample of any other single structure outside the nuclear field which through o b 7 3 an accident, sabotage or act of God is capable of producing a hl devastating consequences cccparable to those ascociated with li 9/ nuclear power plant diaster. .t n yd I challenge yca to objectiuly weigh the risks l versus benefits involved. 3; _: p Truely, the history of nuclear pser in this i, .: ] country is a classic ena:.;ple of the end justifying the means; i you men are aware of your responsibilities and you arc i

7 familiar with the issues yet you continus to pursue this l

suicidal policy. s i .-I History is scing to brand supporters of nuclear n power as fools, not men who were technically misguided, but a q men who wre made aware of both sides of the issue and arrogantly ignored the rick.1 that arc involved. Unfortunatel'f when the inevitabla nuclear disaster cccurs and the consec nences are even more devastating thc.n those t'lat he.ve been projected, it's not cnly the preponcnts of nuclear power.ho perish; dso included s accng thcse thcusand? Of statistics uill bc 20n, ';ccon 3 4 8 0 61 $' pk,f, ) (({

yI i 1593 david 8 1 and children of all ' races and backgrounds, cppenents of 2 nuclear pcwcr plants; and mont of all the silent majority l 3n of American li5a j a! The silent majcrity-- thosa pocple who have 5 no opinion -- are basing their unknculedgeable opinion en t' 6; the unfounded principle that the decision makers in this 1 I 7j country have their best internts at hand and wouldn't i e 3 take risks with the lives of people in cur society. 9 if I caution _au not to brand me or anyone else i to j in this room as emote _onally radical or technically 11 unknowledgeable fanatr.cs. We're concerned American i taxpayers, people who have become knodadgeable on the subject! 12 r t 1; i because we have an cbligation to ourselves and to our i 14, future generatiens; pecple wno have exanined the issues j i I l and found it inconceivabic that the United States covernment 4 g i:i !gj supports a pro-nuclear econouy, given the inherent risk of d nuclear power plants, cc=bined with peor performance history f 17 g! of the nuclear industry. l i i We resent our tax dellars being used to ) rg l l i subsidize and ensure che growth of this industry and we'ra 20 l I doing everything in our power to alter that course of } 21 d 'l i nuclear power in this country. Yet it's not our decisien to i e, \\t 'l g[ make: it's you s. It's ycu man who must abandon ycur egos se as

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il 1594 4 n ll h I, lj david 9 F the bancfits of this issue and arrive at the only corally I.. n ~ h' justifiable decision. .I 2 - "!i Should you choose ta ence again ignore the ? -[ 'lji

obvious, may Goc h.tve mercy oa you, for myself and the j

II ) O t American people will eventual 1/ hold you accountable 3~ I h for your actions. .. P. It is each of you uho will hava to answer to your d conscience for the lives of thousande cf people in this world.* ,'p i , if d Finally, ve know -- everycnc in this roca knows -- ; g 1"'h that you're doing the cong thing; I can only assume l

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v [ t .., l know you're doing the wrong thing. And r.he only reasca .,J 1 you're getting away with it right no'1 is because middle j 24 ?! i k, p! Ameica is so apathetic and so gullible. 1 M But you won't get t.way ric.h it forever. Euc !j { h> h tha question I have tc ask you is wh" -- why do we not a i pay attention to all these near disastars? Why does there '.f. have to be a conpleta,, tott.1 'lisaster that will kill thousands! 's of people before you say, "Ch. nuclear pcwer wasn't such a I

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gcod idea." l II d (Appinuse. ' "i i l MR. SCHUMACHZR: M/ name is Steve Schumo.cher. ~l I live in Dayton, Ohio; I ucrk at St. Elizabeth's Medical Centor. g i We have an a2escc.c resconcibil?;v. I nay "wc,' [. )k (($. /h [ p n r7 m 3 dm '4'Oh O !nid E,5 d u d,n. m o m

1595 david 10 1 because it's all of uc, act just the. Nuclear Regulatory 2 Comission. 3 A Icng time after is ccartroom dust and all ) 4q of us are dead, that resnonsibility vill be there, along, 1 5 long time after this courtrco: 13 dust. Now, who is goirig e pay -- who is, going to pay 6 ,(. 7 for this? The people in Ecttom Hill, in College Hill, the 8 people in Dayton, the people in Springfield er columhus will i i i 9! pay for this plant year af ter :' ear af ter year. l 10 ! People will pay the utility bills instead of-11 buying their food. People wi?.1 pay their utility bills 12 instead of paying their house payuent: they will pay and i 13 ' pay and pay for this plant. 14 In Pennsylvania thay poisoned everybody and 15ll now they're going to make then pay for it and maybe even I ask for a smile if people are not too polite when they

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g Fermi, Brcwns Ferry, how, Muclear Regulatory Comission, can you assure us that thin plant will not poison us?

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e1 of Il 22 p How can you cay be/cnd a reascnable doubt that it l' g! will not poison us? Agnin, I don't think you can say that i you have that assuruko, that you can give us that assurance. q e

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il I it il l 1596 davidl] show that the accident, e pc tantial cccident frc:n nuclear power was not thatcat: strophic : J7 billion in damage, perhaps; 10 -- 20,000pceple :ill26. W 9 Even that has been repudinted, this report of 1 3 '! i H the experts, ao let's nc'. talk tco much about experts and

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what onperts know about nuclerr pcwel.; at least for the } t j q i j' Rasmussen Ecport it's a buch of bunk. i i And the danger -- tha danger of these plants -- 'i can we a2 ford to lose Pennsylvania? I nean, that's what l 0';$ l ij we're talking about fcr ihat -- one-third of it? It mean, 1: Y^ it's hard to even ccnce:.ve c:. o i end 5

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I 1597 i 8 Scua people think wa can afford to 1cso Cincinnatti, iB1 2 l or Chicago, or Detroit. Some Peopl. think we can. And 3 it is not because they hava different facts in front of 4 them, or hear different reports or c'.ifferent testimony. 5l l It is because they ara interested in other things. 6l Gentlemen of C3&2, yet are intercsted in other 7 things.bosides the safety of your cun childre.n, ths saf,by 3 of your neighbcrs, c 3 safaty of your City. You aro i 9 intarosted in profits, That is your bottom line. And if to you weren't intorested in prcfits, thsy would get rid of 11 you, and acmabody els3 would fill ycur shoas. So you go 12 on and do what you always do, defend the plant, defend the 13 Company, raise the profits. That is your alpha and cmcga. 14 But you arc intoreshad n other things taan uhat wo need. 15 We necd safety. We no;d safoty cn tha job, we need safaty 16 in our communities. No can't liva with cascor. Wo 17 can't live with these plants. 2ut yet you would jeopardize te i hundreds of thousands of p; opia for profit. And for that r 19 ' alone and that blinds ycu to averything, because it 20l1 doesn't matter, safety doesn't matter, the profits of the I. 21 i company mattar. t) ~ And gentlemen of tha N?.C, you won'.d go along I %3", with this, because how many of ycu cra going to get a 64 l ~ job in the edustry wh.m you ritira f rcn Gove.~. = ant servico? U l Ecw often has it happ mcd 'mu you go back and forth }fg (f fY j' 2k(k,k l "1 1 d1Ludtshesu u

3 Id l 1598 + o !p I i and back and forth? es n :rcu could.ac sittir.g ?.t Mut j _ll. 1 habla and cerhaps you could ba sitting ov2r hara :'.nd .L .a. I deciding thia casc. It eculd nau bc3 ccucual. We ar?_ ..I h. tirad of thia, Ua cro t!.ral of :hesa statementa en your

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U . cart that acw Mr. swesnav. uho is the Chairran of tha gi Eoard cf Gulf Corporntion caid bat the worst thing a30ut / + Three Mila Island war the cvar-raac :1ca of tha cecpla to t s o i that accident. He dccca'i cara cbout cafaty. Sa dosan't l ti 9il j cars about whehter ptcple have gasolina. He care.s about i: 10 0y profits. i i, Mcbile bought Mcatgon try Ucrd, they didn' t cara 8 l i to i ~~ ii if we had onough oils they just bcucht Mcntgca3ry Ward D 12 a l' because it ando a loc. cf nency. 14} Ho are tirad of it..'nd wa cre talling you 7. d i a, t 1j talling you, no =cro, no rcre nucicnr ple.nts. ~ And also in tha md we will :a'm your pc. er cway 3 rl frc= you, becauce wa haa had i% wr, vill taka ycur i '. l 1 1. m 17 ability to ma' a profitc auay. Ha vill cay enargy should t' p in y ~ bo in the hando of tha pecpla uno use it, the pcopla who n i, r-i i ~ "o need it and the pecplo uho ars concernad about safetv. l 1 !?

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o i! n i' 1599 e 1 i D33 'Every public insuc p.:nsr2 a reedy cucply of stock phrasss and.:;g=u 23 I:. the dcbata ove.- i 1 3 F cuclear pcwar,. which Mac gruer. ta national pr portions i

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'i only since the accidrr. at Chrce 2*n le Island, a favorita point 4 M -[ of the supporters of nuclear pcuar has bean: 'The fact l h 6 ll is that at Thraa Mila Isipad no ne uns killed, no cno j o -h was injured, and no ano laat any.cro. cart _y. 'And tnov ,i f i I 1 are likely ta add th it lifa is f u'.1 of.cicks anyway, Aa 2 1 4 I! appeal to the facts lle.ays has a r:.asons. ale sound, but in th.i s a c i e dabata the role of t.la facis is sacraclousu Tha I i ., ll chiaf quasticn at Thron Mile Island was, of course, nct how l < n i i much damage had been done -.o the surratt.nding ~ lj population (although that, t:o,, 'cccame e. questien

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,,p because of the relaaJG of so2e rad _aticn from tae Icactor) l ^! l .a.. p but how close tha reactor cana to a ecmpista maltdown in { ,1, i _ d which hans of thousa.2dr of daaths ric. have bcon caused a 9 j over the long run and a larga tarritory mignt havt hee.n a / s a centaminated for man r tears, Tho calavant f acts, tharafore, n. a n g had to do with a pas.;ibility rather than an actual ty, d It is in the very natir a of the nuclear pcwor iscu: th:. u a il we are all condcnned tc 6.ul with insubstanti11- :x.o v. ; I wraithlika pcssibi.:-:ies ratier than ha.rd facts, whtn vna: 't might bo rathar than what 4.s, .ns ccca e.s any facts appaar, .. a 8 in hhc form of actle. CaC2 dl'2E t7a iOSUG iS cloaud and .._ 4 it's tco lata to de an":.h;.nc, Or, t: out at ancthar way Sy/P h h ! M hDh h ;h I l A f V 9EN LII@\\MdML 348 068

l I' 1500 l gu4 in tha matter of catastrophic accidant the nuclear W 2 1 power industry e:,:ista en auffarence of its perfect l 3 rocord. It is fated always t liva in what the sports { d castars call a sudden hath situation; cno mistcice and the I a i gams is ovar. 5 "These novel ma%hchi.igical problens ariae becauso 7 nuclear moltdowns belong to a small but apparantly growing f S class of possible can-mada disasters that cannot be permittad I 9{i to happen even onco. It would be hc.rd to say at what i 10 - l point a conventional disastar crossas the thrastold 11 of tha intolarable. Crashes of cirlinors ca in a way 12 intolerable, yot wo do tolerata then; when cao - 13l t occurs, wo do not halt all air traval. The samo holds i 14 trua for car accidan 2, In thcsa cases, it sects that 13 wa po:mit individud. persona to volunteer for acma is cramant in personal dangor in e:cchango for a banafit. I 17 i i i By contrast, the contanisation for Jeveral decadcs of a i I " l', m p largo city or a small country by nuclear dabris saams, e:Icepy i 19h 1 i

or some people, in ".he casa of war, to be an intolerabla i

I l "o ~ risk, one that cannot La permitted to happen uven once. i ~1 il 4 Thi3 matter may soon take on irmadiacy for New Ycrhers. o, ~ Police Lieutenant achert Hcgin, hac.d of the city's I Offico of Civil Prepr.radnass, racertly told tha Ecusa f I g .i l Sudget Committao's Or.3h Forca on Stata and Lccal Govaramcat j that in the event of 1)' i j ian 348 069

1601 i i 1 DES - Point nuclear power plcat in Westches;.,ar, or at tha g Sho"hr. plant now unde.u constructin on Lcng Island, j 3 'Naw Yorkors would be trapped,' enplaining 'Thara is 4 no plan for anything that catastropaic. i 5! "Ono characteristic of taa nai class of disastcr is j 5 simply magnituda; for seco raason, wo scem to tolerato j t 7 1 casas mora casily when, as :n highway accidents, they occur 8 caparately, and to rccoil whan a large number occur at once. 9 Anotahr perhaps mora significant charactaristic is peril to 10 some larga and irrept.realo or irraplacablo pieca of natura, ! i 11 such as a spacios, or tha c:cno in the upper atmosphers, 12 or the birds in the rpring, or to sono large picca of human 13 civilization, such as Maw York City, or to a particular I*j tribe or pocple. I 15 "In attempts to pravant one-tima catastrophes, tha usual iG ' tools of predictica ara use. ass, S tatistics, i 17 normally tha best instrrient for calculating risks, needs 10 I j repetition in order to nako its generalisations, and is 19 helpless in the face of uniq'In avents., In a:.tmpts to assess en ~ the likalihood of these,progncaticatioD-1.a thrown back 21 i on judgement and in;uition, bcth notoricusly imperfect 22l I faculties. 3:(parin 2111 tion, in which the consaquances or % i certainkinds of cat:s' rophas can somatimas he gauged, is 2'.! O,. also sharplv limited. Just e ona cannot romove the c ona j s e, = layer in order te fin '. cut how im;crtn.nt it is to th 48 070 mn bh khhhf l i;

i; dh m 3u. y D36 I i! ear'.h's anvironmani, c.:o cannot rslaaaa l'.rgo cr.cunus of i 2 j' radiation into tha a 2 SP'1Gra in Crda! to Ci3cG*7Cr its 4I 3 i,l, effects on human scc'.sw. Lacking m;c encarin tc, tha I! l iP carth itself becomas t;.s laboratory; it is cn the d F 5 carth that ths effects of a particular cnc ~ina catastropha c t3 l maut orignally beccan kncun. Firsi, by accidant, we relsase, l 7,I tha radiaticar then, trenty yecrs lator, wa find out how many I' 3 cancsr deaths may have beon Ocuced. In the last analysis, 9 thareforo, the limit that raatci:.a our nuclsar picneering is J

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Eacause there is only one ear h 'l ii l and one mankind livie.g on it, all cur experiments with nucicc.r I I 12 J d'avices and other lochal cubstances and nachines ara at tha 11 y j sama tiro actions taken in rani lifa. Of courso, scienco c t.4h is capahlo of many wonders, including, for casmplo, the a

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Ma"bc ons day, in ;cca other n ,g U colar system, cur a cientiats vill cuccced in cloning the r (i carth itacif. Onca the h'. alan populatica had b.aan recoved, f/ i, t-g0 this tarra.3trici dopagtngar ".culd ha turnad into a labor-o .. U atory, a cort of practics-narth on :ihich ths nuclear a.

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'l 1603 i CHAIRMAN BECHE ?E2'ER: - ta;..:A No havs tima for ona s. 2 abra. 3 liS. SULLIVAN: fi-* na;:e ia.\\l2 a Sullivan. I am a 4 mather of CARS and a CGS E costcmar but that is because 5 I have no choica. 6 I have one lirb.:. say. Bat. befora I say that, r l I would lika to say tlac although tr.is is billed as I 8 a public hearing, it m k r.a about in hcur this afternoca 9 to find out whero it tar ta be held, I called the Foderal 10 ' builds.ng, I called Ci y Hall, I callad the Clark of the Il Court hara, who coiul.i tall.nz the rc om,but not tno M en. I 12 ' I finally got the informatics frcm ::y Cengressman. h 13 ll So it wasn't usy to gat hort. 14 I havo one lina ud it is a c ucta frca Albert 15 I Einstein, whom I am ser ovarybody will agree should !cnow 16 Something abcut nucle 1r pcwar. It is this a 'Tha mattar 17l of nuclear power mus t. o taken to the town aqunra to 18 lat the peoplo decide," 19 ; Thank you. I 20 ; CHAIRI'Al BECHHE'ER: We thank you all for 21 participa*4,g -- 22 ! VOICE: Sir, c )uld I j sut hat.c five cr si:,c mi.:utas? I i 22l CHAIR:iAN 3EC:GOE:.rER: Well, va have about two minutes.! U Wahavo got to got out c.: care ny ni:e o' clock. We have g d 25[ coverad everybcdy on :h 2 LL3ty,had. }4 72 , p.i @b J $ 0] l{ 00 jk &,. c rm n h k\\ l El ,j j" x en 1 ..n...-> lq l . J k', g .s

l 1604 I II 4, MS. FFAUCL: I ji st ham a 1;.St'.e bit to say. i 3 t My nama in Linda Fran':el and I am a resident of Cinci" ati 1 3 and the world. I haV3.eard =0=c of ycur p upla say that 4 the banofits cuteeigh E.o risks. I.; auld lika to know if 5l any of you havo found a vay to calibrato the kilowatt hours ol of electricity versus htman lives. Or hcu many hn m lives i I 7! ara worth how many kilot.;ntt hours of alsctnicity. 1 i G Mora, I would :.iha to Xacw heu cany of you cro i 9 willing to be responsibla and cuand behind for what is 10l said to be safo lovalo cf radiction. That is just a little I 11 ' bit o# radiation. To na that is liko saying just a littla 12 bit of cancor. 12 You know perfect'.y unil what is safo for m-a cay 14 li not be safe for you or comething dif.?arent for you. Who i 15 l knows at what point tea cells ~M our bodios arc raady to be v 16 hit by the ns:ct torJ.c deso that comc3 along and go ? l' 17l into the wild spin th..t is cancer. A f av ucaks ago drivi.ag 18 - down Routa 52 on my wg to West Vircinia with =y six-year-l i 19 ' old daughter, we stepped alcng the road, because I wantad } i e 20I to show har Zimmar. Ehe.1cok.2d up at me and than she said

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