ML19209B804
| ML19209B804 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Crane |
| Issue date: | 11/06/1973 |
| From: | Haskins C Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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| NUDOCS 7910100598 | |
| Download: ML19209B804 (90) | |
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e eme - P00R ORGINAL ~> I Ncw, Unit 1 is four timos larger than this and 2 according to tha map that I have, it is only nine miles frera tha, 3 Harrisburg City boundary. The 1965 update of the report has not 4 been released to the public axcept for personal inspection 5 in Washington. In fact, its existence was only recently ad-6 mitted. 7 No knowledgable person denics that the potential 8 for such a catastrophic accident is inherent in all present 0 atomic fission plants. However, the AEC fesis that the 10 probability of such an event is so remote that they find it 11 acceptable to expose the public to this risk. They have taken 12 upon themselves, without the benefit of full public disclosure 13 and debate, the authority to subject. society to this risk. 14 Opponents, on the other hand, believe that thesc 15 accidents are not remoto, and that the AEC has no right to 16 make those decisions. What can the public do when confronted 17 with diametrically opposite opinions? The bect answer to me was given recently by Senator Mike Gravel in his September 23, 18 i 19 l 1973 newsletter. He proposed the use of the doctrine of compara~ 20 tivo consequences. 21 This doctrine stater that when in doubt, the prudent I course of action would be to follow the advice of that grcup 22 ?.3 whose courco of action, if wrong, would involve the lea *t ?A consequences. g I 25 If the AEC would fully disclose and dissuca the date.I 1413 ?00 i i
448 1 on the Iv.gnitude of a class 9 accident, the public using tha O 2 doctrina of ccmparative consequences vould see that com:ncn sense 3 dictates an abandon 2.ent of ctemic fission for electrical genera ~ r 4 tion. 5 You may be asking yourself now,.what is wrong with a government and a society that allows such a situation to develop? 7 A very good question indeed, and one whose answers are perhaps a numerous and subtle. 9 First of all, it is important that we recognize 10 that all of us are guilty to semo degree of the apathy, the U wastefulness and the neglect that are the root causes of our 12 problem. To progress to a solution, furthermore, it is vitally 13 important that we recognize that, just as within man are the I4 causes of his problems, so also within man are to be found the 15 solutions. 16 I feel that today in our country we have a sinister 17 philosophy gaining more and more strength. I think it expresser 18 itself best in the belief that if the majority of the people 19 have a need, be it ever so trivial, it is cceeptabla to violate jtherightsoftheminoritytomeetthatneed. 20 21 Now, society in thic country, indeed, can require 22 ccnformance of the minority for the common goed. This, h0'enver, U requires that laws of conformance cannot be leposed which M q violate the Constitutional rights of any person. 25 The tco long unchallenge0 orecedurs of a few i i ll 1413 ?01 l
449 1 polluting the common resources of all for the benefit of some 2 without the consent or proper compensation to the pu'elic is 3 another e:: ample to me of justice denied. 4 We must remember that what may be more profitable for 5 some right now may not be the cheapest for all of us later. 6 Such is the case with the AEC, the utilities and the reactor 7 manufacturers in dovaloping an industry which I feel threatens 8 our lives, our health, our property, and the very genetic 9 fleritage of mankind without the consent of the public. 10 Never in the hictory of mankind han there boon a 11 greater potential for damage to man's genetic heritage than 12 atomic fission. Shelter is taken by proponents behind the 13 security of high-sounding and vague mathematical computations on the probabilitics of accidents,'while the flight from common 14 15 sense continues. 16 Murphy's law, which implies that what can happen 17 will happen, is ignored by assuminct that man will suddenly is achieve perfection. We stand in disgust of past societics that 19 practiced human sacrifice, while we fail to reccgnize the indire :t 20 but equivalent human sacrifices practiced by today's scciety. 21 Whatever the nane was of their gods, we know the name of the 22 god of our society. Is it not the god of convenience? 23 laid all our probicms we can still rajoice, for I a feel and everyone realizes that alternatives to atomic fis<: ion ,3 are cvailable. Atomic fission recources are truly insignificanti H 1413 90? I
450 t when compared to those of solar energy and fusion. Concerning 9 2 the amount of atomic fission resources, lei me quote from a 3 book entitled "The Energy Crisis" by Lawrence RockE and Richard d P. Runyon. On page 62 the authors state, "The awareness will 5 eventually dawn that even nuclear fission (uranium) energy is a 6 temporary scurce of power and cannot even figure into our immedi ate 7 problem of the next thirty years." O Further along on page 69 they state, "The energy 0 bank qf U. S. uranium is not as large as many people think. The to energy equivalent of U(235) is only equal to that of our oil 11 reserves." 12 Concerning the b'eeder reactor, the authors state on r 13 page 69, and I quote,'"If the breeder reactor is perfected and e t 14 stream in the mid-1980's, as the present development program 15 calls (or, then the energy bank of U(238) uould be tappable. It 16 would at best be double our coal reservos." 17 Does this sound like the infinite energy source wo 18 uere all led to belicve atcmic energy was? 19 On the brighter side, a December, 1972 report by 20 the
- ional Scienco Foundation and NASA titled " Solar Energy as 21 a National Energy Resource" stated on page 1 that, and I quoto, t
22 "Under the same assumptions of a ten percent conversion efficienpy 23 and U. G. average solar incidence, in 1969 the total electric 24 energy consumed in the U. S. could have been supplied by the T.5 ' solar energy incident on caly 0.14 percant of the U. S. land areu.~ 1413 203 i i
451 I Ladies and gentlemen, this is only 1.4 acres per 2 thousand. The bonus is that this energy source is as long-lived 3 ac the sun itself. 4 I ask the Board in tha name of humanity to deny an 5 operating license for Unit 1 at loact until successful full scale 6 ECCS tests are completed. I make this appeal to the public,.if 7 we can't defeat the Goliath of atomic fission directly, as it 8 appears may be the case, then let us all dedicate ourselves 9 to work diligently for encrgy alternatives that vill n:ake atomic to fission obsolete, undesirable, and the shortest lived mothed 11 of electrica generation in the history of mankind. 12 I pray that we will allow the spirit of God, best 13 personified in the person of Jesus Christ, to inspire us to 14 make those changes in our attitudes necessary to build a 15 world where the value of a human life is put above a benefit-16 cost ratio. 17 I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and I thank 18 the Board for this opportunity to appear at the hearing.. 19 CIIAIRMAN HASKINS: Mr. Simon, I have two quoetions. 20 Where do you live in Pennsylvania; not your street address, but 21 what town? l l 22 MR. SIMOH: live in the Borough of Hochanicsburg 23 in Mount Allen Heights. It is abott, I would say, nine-and-a-24{I half to ten miles duo vest of the plant. l l 9 I I 25 l CHAIRIES HA5 KING: The Jacond question. Some of the j 1413 204 i
1 452 1 lawyers in this room come from Maine. I rotice you say you aro 2 a licensed engineer in Maine. Where do you come frcm in Maine? 3 MR. SIMON: South Berwick, sir. I knmi you would An fis 4 notice. S 6 7 8 9 10 12 1413 205 13 14 15 16 17 !S 19 20 21 22 23! t 15I e I 25 l j. .1 j
.....__y.. 453 i (2 CHAIPJfAN HASIC (S: Gilbert Freedman. nl 2 LIMITUD APPEA3.ANCE OF GILDERT M. FREECH1Gi. 3 403 Sampic Bridge Road, 2!achanicabu 9, Pennsylvania. 4 MR. FPIEDMAN: I am Gilbert M. FreeCun, 405 -5 Sample Bridge Rcad, Mcchaniceburg, Penncylvania, 17055. 6 It was an unceasonably hot evening that Monday -- 7 CHAIRMAN H7.M INS: Just a minute, Mr. Freedman. e Would you state whether you're a member of either 9 of the intervening partina? 10 MR. PREEDMAN: No, sir. I'm not a msT.ber of eithor 11 group. 12 It was an ennecconably hot evening that Monday in 33 June, 1976. Three Mile Island No. I was parking along at 95 14 percent capacity. After the usual startup problems of the 15 years before, the operating crew was quite pleased with 16 the reliable, steady parforraance of No.1. The cky was hazy 37 with a wind blowing gently out of the southeast at 10 18 miles per hour. An Allegheny 727 had just been cleared for ~ takeoff on runway 13 at Harrisburg International Airport in
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l 454 I 1 flamacut occurred. Pitching over, still at~ climb-out speed O n2 2' the pleno plowed into the east cido of tha transformer j l 3 subatation betwean Three Mile Island Unita 1 and 2, effectively 4 nevering the plant from the ayatom load. 5 The operating crew at Taree Mile Island had no idea uhat was happening and less idea of what was to happen 6 7 in the next minutas. For rencons that could not be establishoc, by the investigation board, control roda were not rainserted a 9 automatically with the instant demand truncation. It was theorized that the longitudinal cocponent of the ground choch to 11 wava chifted the red holder adequately to lock the-rods in thebr high-energy position. 12 13 The over-temperature condition would have been casily controlled had it not been for the locked rods. 14 With o 15 ng away p m an colant de o m gency spray and cooling syste.ms responded only a split accond late. g g Por, in that split second, adequata fuel had eclted together to increase the reactivity to the point that g there was no chance of containing the reaction. g 20 e d wo ng wa er e m a tremnd us u dup in the temperature and pressure of the resulting steam. Uith a mighty roar the centain::ent vessel split. A shockwave thousands of times more violent than the exolosion from the aircraft crach oniv minuten befero flattened traea and I el atructures within neveral milec of the plant,. quickly killing o go kh 1413 707
s. 455 \\ In3 1 the' plant operators, several baus fisherman weet of the ialand 3 cnd acvoral hundred people that lived nearby. Thc c:cplo-sien has so violent a 100 lb. block of concrote, with af.cel 3 4 line:: l'nta ct, a 2ragmant of the contain=ent structure was to 5 be foi:nd on tha 12wn of the Capitol Hall ceveral days lator. Sjected with the ateam that caused the reactor ht$ilding G 7 failure was a fine dispersion of radioactivo dust Abraded from the uranium oxido" pallets which had pappared and rebounded a frcm the inside of the containment structura at thousands 9 10. of feet por second like co many shotgun pellets. 33 Dut the larger portion of the fuel had melted into 12 a pool at the bottom of the reactor. Indications were that the explosion.had ruptured the containaant vessel and cratored 13 the island in such a way that river water gravity flowed onto 14 15 the romnanto of the core. Chsarvera in York and Lancaster for years would speak with awe of the roar and column of 16 37 ; steam, fed by rivor water and vaporized rock, which continued to eject fro = the site for two days after the accident. 18 Only after that time had the moltan, highly radioactive mass g t caton into the earth an estimated 1,000 feet, and the resulting 20 well collapsed on top of it, effectively sealing off the river g y from continuing invasion. I A half her after 'he etcan exolosion the wind had g c i carried the Slightly 1C.31nenE highly radicactiVO cloud ovar g niedleteva and Highspire. In an hour it hcd reached the i p ~ mnen3D f,i ). d. i w g u 208
455 in4 1 Capitol. Staciton, Lemoyne, and New Cumberland were alrecdy 2 onveloped. In anothar half hour 100,000 pecple had bean 3 exposed to the death-dealing radiation as far northwest as 4 Erola, Summerdals and Rockville. Pa:: tang and Panbrook 5 had also been exposed. By that time the neur of the accidont G had beon broadcast via the madic to those who were liJtening 7 to their TV and radios. Because of the violonce of the accidant littic was known about the seriousness of the opisode 8 or tha seriousnoso of the radiation ha::ard until the cloud 3 had progrensed far beyond Amity Hall and Duncannon and was to tg an far north as Millersburg. 12 The inversion that existed that evening, and low wind, hcd cade the accident particularly damaging to the 13 14 Harricburg area. Local authorities hcd difficulty grasping the magnituds of the accident, let alone providing mcbiliza-15 15 tion loadership. ~ D g Hysteria and panic were ecmmon f.hroushout Pann-13 sylvania. Na one was in a position to predict where the
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Necke later the public trould know that it had continued in a northwesterly direction rendering 3 i uninhabitable for waeks cities as far cray as Eria and Buffalo. g i 3 ll Bach in Harrisburg, at first the people vara only ~ cuare of a distant rurti,lo or psrhaps a reficction against 3 il the early evoning haza. Thece tht wore to die noon suffc. rad ( [y3fnausaaandacerogeweakasue. within days ehey sould ne gone. 4 1413 ?09 l
457 1 i 9 n5 Others would ex?crienco milder manifestations of radiation ~ sicknsss such as losing their hair and skin splotches. 3 i Leukomic and other cancers would not manifect themselves for s 4 20 years after the accident. 5 Through no fault of their own except ignorance, G 100,000 people would be forced to vacate for the rest of 7 their lives the homes they knew and loved. A vast sector 0 centered on Harrisburg and radiating northwest towards Erie 9 would be rendered unfit for agriculture and unfit for human 10 habitation for a ye sr. How strango the Penn Stato University 11 must have looked with no students. !D D D { 12 Impossiblo? Parhaps. I ask myself, "Why am I ~ 13 hero today testifying in opposite a to the initiation of 14 operation of a nuclear power plant built on coco of man's 15 highest technology, built by soms of the best professionale 16 and by the finest industry that could be mustered anywhero 17 in the world?" I am here because I feel an obligation to 18 ask you to feel an obligation to be cenpletcly frank with 19 tha public in admitting that no system can be ccmniately 20 nafo. In making the public aware of thic, encourage it to 21 arrive at a rational decision en just what hasard it in 22 generally willing to risk for the convenience of elec rical l 23 pcwor generated by nuclear energy. 24 t 9 I cn must alarmad by the centinued bland assertions )j 15 . of nuclear agencies that nuclear stctions cra "ccmplately" i i 1413 210
I l 433 \\- I, in6 i safe or serious accidents "unthinkabic." You and I how that E thi cannot be so, and you and I fully reali::a that l' the Ll Very virtue of tha way in which engineering is done to run a 4 risk. i 5 Ansigned a project, an engineer uses the Sont 6 judgmont he can to casantially " hand-wave" away th:32 7 probless which he honestly believea are the least.raportant. 8 Ifa than devotes 90 percent of his effort to analy::.ng the part 9 of the job which he regards 'as the most critical. I am not to worried about thio lattor portion of the job. It is the .it part chat was hand-wavad away, of which I am mcs, concerned, 12 cloaked in such catch-alls as design assumptions or 13 specifications imposed by the AEC or the utilitt. 1a The steam vont accident at Surry, V.rginia, a highly conventional failure, cotu the lives o. tuo men thero., 15 The failure was corrected by simply welding four reinforcing 16 17 fins to anchor tha steam valva no==le to the vent. If such 18 j an obvious failure mode aorc not identified beforehand, is it 10 not conceivable that other unanticipated fcliuras are 20 possible in the more cophicticated nuclaar portions of a l P ADD? 21 22 A sEfo sndcavor is made that t..ay, unfortunately, g by accident and blood-bath. For anample, aviation, if it II/1 pj be considered safs today, is what it in Secauce of the livoc 25 that soro given in ac':iderita and the ef.'.crt of the lkl3 2) a i
459 I 91n7 investigator in sifting through the wreckage and the data to 2' detarmine what went urong. By feeding this back into futura 3 design and future operatica the field ucs gradually mada 4 safer. With nuclocr power, unfortunately, we carr.ot afford 5( thin l ucry. Me are foreid to anticipato all mcdas of 6 failure and design around all conceivablo accidento boccuac 7 one accident would b3 so disastrous. G Wo are inexperienced designara and operatoru learn-9 ing to fly as we learn to build. to You may ask, "How is it conceivable to stop the 11 plant'after such an investment has been made?" I ask ycu, 12 "How is it conceivable to allow such an ondeavor to go forth 13 whon the conscquencas can be so grievous." It was not 14 stopped before, because the public was not aware, as they 15 still are not aware, of the hazards, of the c11e==a into TG which we are allowing ourselves to clip. 17 I have only cited eno mode by which a nuclear ta plant auch as Threa Milo Island can wreak havoc on the peccaful 19 livas that ue now enjoy hero in contral Pennsylvania. We 20 are also concerned about low level radiation offects, somatic, and oven mero seriously, genetic, about which we knos vary 21 3 i 22 little. 23 I call upon you, gentleman, to picco an indefinito { l 24 coratorium on t!M o doomsdcy machinco. Failir.g tflia, I ask i I 25 you to recove the limitations of the Price Andsrson Act by 0P00ROREM
't i P00R OR E L i' l' insisting that the government form an inemrance pool which l inc will'at lcart pacvic.. adcquate czgensaticn by tha.r.ny , il ~ ~j .sho v.'ill onjoy the 21cci:rical pctice to thosa wronged by nucler2 accidant. 5 f) CIIAIRf aN ICSKINS : Thank you, C. Frae.dman. O Willim2 ';.T.ittock? 7 LIMITED APPEARANCE OF HILLIAM B. WHI??OCK, 0 BOX 234, ETTERS,. PENNSYL'.'ANIA, 17319. 9 xxxxx MR. WHITTOOF.: 1%Abora of the Atomic Energy to Comission, ladies and gentleman, my nana is William B. li Whittock. 12 I live in ths Borough of Goldaboro, and I rcprcsont 13 mysaif. 14 I liva wit:hin ono mile of the Three Mile Island 15 plant, and I am concorned about thras problema in than 15 operation, and I roquant that the fcilewing provinicna be 17 met prior to the licane.ing for operation: 1S 1. That noise pollution in the vicinity of the 19 plant be kept to a recacnchla minimum in line with Panncylvania 20. Depcrtment of Environmental Renourc9a and EPA atradards. l l T.1 [ 2. That acce local :ccthcd of ovecu:stien he 21 {ll planned with proviciens for c rrying out c;u.:e in the event of { I ] a harr.ful radio &ctiva relon c accident ch c' hs plant. 23 i I I i l 2A.j Nee, I'm concern-;d about my family getting Out in s b5 Ebc TvdUt I.*m not thcrO. I'm nOt concgyped BDCUS. U.73Old, bub I e I.
461 ins I am concerned about my fe:cily. And, as a mattar of t i cidenca, there are about 500 people that liva in the acrough 2 3 of Gcidsboro which in within a nile or a mile and a half of 4 the Throo Mile Island plant. l 5 j 3. That the operation of the 31 ant be curtailed during tacparatura invarsion perioda uhore ercasa fcgging or c icing conditions will be created by heat delivery into the 7 3 l atmosphero. g I will say that that area is cubject at the Present tim to a lot of fog and foggy conditions during 10 certain periods of the year, and I think that's a vary impor-3, 12 tant conaidaration, and I thank you very much. 13 CHAIRMidi HASKINS: >1r. Uhittock, the Board has 14 two quaetiens. one, are you a masber of either of tho intarvening 15, P"#UUN 16 g MR. WHITTOCK: No, sir. I'm just representing 18 CHAIR!iMi DASKINS: Thank you. g 20 .b d when you talk about noico pollution, are you J talking about it during the con:;truction stage of the plant? g i i MR. WITITTOCK: Wall, sir, I raally can't answer that. g I know that there's a lot of ncice down tharc. I think 4 that whcn they turn the water on in thcze carators or coolars there's n t:rrific smodnt of noi.?c, and I know cosa.ights tf il ? 0 0 R_l R I G E W 2" i
? j 462 1 in10 t we haveihad to koep our windows closed because of the racket 2 coming acrcss the river. 3 CHAIPJtAN HAS3I!3S: Thani you. 'l Paul Cehris? 5 VOICE: Mr. Gahris was unable to be hero. Can 6 somebody elso road his statocent? 7 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Well, let's skip him for the 8 tine being. _,0 We'll go on to comebody elce. 10 Mary Louise Clouner? 11 (No response.) 12 Ernest Scmmerfeld? 13 (No response.) a 14 Milton Lovanthal? 15 MR. LOWENTHAL: Yes, sir. Is LIMITED APPE*.?J.11CE OF MILTON LOIENTRE, 17( 5017 Havorford Road, EARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA. XXXXX 10 MR. LONENTHAL: My na.ma id Milton Lovanthal. I'm 19 Vica Prasident of the Harricburg Area. Chapter of the United 20 Nations Association. e3 I'm here to join with others in protanting the 22, operaticn cf Threo Hilo Island plant. r CHAIR!disN H'* SKINS s Mr. Lcwenthal, let m-interrupt a
- you, M?uxo do you live?
What tcur. do you live in? l t gg MR. LCiENTMAL: I live at :2017 Havr ford Ecad in l 1 \\4\\) 1\\0
,i 463 in11 1 11 risburg. 2 2l l, CI! AIRMAN IIASHIMS: And arc you a zon.ber cf either 3 of.the Intorvenor groupa? 4 MR. LOWEUTilAL: I am not. 5 I have a preparad statemant; but, as a preliminary, 6 I'd lika to make coveral remarks. As I drove to tho meeting-7 g place this morning, I could not help but think of tho 8 exparience we had lact year during the flood. I was a flood 9 victim. I now live in tha outskirts of Harriaburg on high to ground away from the pollution, urban pollution, and breathe 11 clean air, relatively cican air. 12 After the flood, thoro was a great deal to do abcut land usa planning to climinate residences in ficod-prono areas; 13 and, here today, we are considering the problems involved by 14 ) man-made pollution, so to speak, of our entiro living environ-15 1G ment. 17 Thore is no way of peopla finding a place to livo that is not subject to the dangers inevitable according to Ig 19 many scientists in nuclear pouor production. 20 The hearings being hold today aficct all of us. 21 The children of thcas sitting ca the podium will be affe cted 22 ao much so those of un uho appear to speak today. There seema to be an indecent hahto in proceeding with sccatdiing abotat 23 .\\ which there is ao much unc'crtainty and no much a poasibility pg 9 1 25 of danger and damnga to our c'. n civill::ation. I tj 1413 216 i
i 464 in12 1 With that introduction, I'd like to read this 2 brief statement. 3 These views are presented on behalf oLthe' 4 Harrisburg Area Chtptor cf the United Nationa Association of i 5 the United States of A n rica. Our comber: hip consists of G individuals who support the United Nations; and, as indicated 7 below, includes as affiliated organizations elevan long-B established community groups that identify with U.N. goals. 9 These are the American Association of University to Won 'en, Harrisburg Branch; Catholic Diocesa Diviaica of Coa munity Affairs and Hu:nsn Relations; Council of Churches of 11 12 Greater Harrisburg; Greater Hcrrisburg Area YWCA; Harrisburg 12 Center for Peace and Justice; Int 0rnational Ladies Garcant Workers Union, Central Pennsylvania District; Leagua :of-Women 14 15 Votors, Harrisburg Area; National Council of Jewish Women, Harrisburg Section; Soroptimiat. Club of Earrisburg; Unitarian 1G 17 Church of Harrisburg; Wonen'G International Leaguc for Peace 18 and Freedom, Harricburg Branch. 10 Our cembers are dcoply concerned about the possible dangern from accidents which nay occur in the handling of 20 21 radioactive matarials and wactos in connection with the 22 CPoration of the Three Mila Island Atomic Fcwer Plant. 23 Wa are concerned becauno of the possible conse-quencon, the lose of life and the destruction of property, 24 3 that could occur in our area. We ara unaany furtheracra bccausa i P00R ORISM. I
465 in13 I we do not believe that atccic power plants are safe and we 7-are not convinced that atomic power la necasrjary to meet our 3 energy requirements. 'I Regrotfully, tho doctructive force of atomic onergy 5 has bean amply dc=enotrated, but ice us2s for ganarcting pcuer G and for other peaceful purpocas are still in doubt. We 7 therefore feel it la prematura to attempt to cpply this 0 untented technology,using hunan beings as guinca pigs. 9 Wa are not alone in our beliofa. Wo noto that 10 Sweden has slowed down its development of storaic power it facilities until they are proved to be safa and officient. 12 Tha Octobar 25, 1973 spill of radioactive liquids at the Shippingport atomic power plaat bears out the predictions 13 14 of concarned atomic scientista that serious accidente aro 15 inevitable. 16 And on Nove2bor 1,1973 the At0 :ic Energy Comis-aion announcad loekcgs of radioactiva matsrici in an October '7 13 3 20, 1973 accident at tho 02 Ridge, Tenn2caec Inctallation. 19 But wo are also concerned because wo cae our innsdiata enorgy nesda as part of akustind'c cnorgy problems. 20 21 Ws recognize that althcugh it behooven each natica to de al 12( with its onn naeda, global aspects must b2 considerod. No 3 nation has the right to d? file the world's at=caphers. g.:, 4 We live at a time in hicto:.' when technolcgy and I: 90i3ntific dOVOlop10nts are being appliGd at a broa'Cn3ck p:co, 3 i n;I i I
4 466 l N'ar boyend our chility to understand t'teir implications and, In14 1 2 in'ccmu instr.ncan, their conaaquenct.c. Ac scen fer instcr.ces,, there come to mind tho tarketing of detrixnntal drugs, a l (" 4 dangercta posticid*.s fire-prono ple.stica, unanfe cara and, l 1 5 of cour.te, atomic wasponry, A current U.N. Associatien Policy Penal fa caga. god s 7 in.a study of Tho Puture_ United Mctionz Role in Scionen and g Technole q. Its purpose in "to consider the nw arans of scientific developr.ont most likely to pon far -reaching 9 to problems for intarnational p'ablic policy and to havo r.hc i; greatest implication for international institutions, 12 especially those of the U.N. systan." It is evident that we cro 3nat beginning to defino the locus of dociolon-making in g3 many technology-relatsd _arcas that are already beginning y t 15 movo frem the naticnal to the international sphere. 16 We also liva at a tina in history when nations 37 are beconing morc interdependent, to a great c:ctent because their tschnological and other problanc do not stop at goc-i
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467 'nl5 1 within the lir.tito of space ship Earth. 'd Wo b0lieve citr snorgy nGeda can bo met without 3 l ralying nstenic power, but cc do so requires changing our prioritico. A reasonable approach to maeting our onorgy 4 "** * "*" O 5' 1. A noratorium on const.uction of all 6 atomic power plants, until prosently operating plants prove 7 tQ DD Dafe. g g Cranh research programs to develop safe and clean sourcos of energy, e. g., nolar, hydro-electric, thermal, g vind. 11 3. Making more efficient use of available energy renources, improving traraportation, power, lighting and hunting systems. 4. 15 Eliminating usataful and non-essential uses of energy and rosorting to rationing uncre found necessary. At thic point in time, wa believe it is of utront 17 urgency that confidence in governosnt ba rostored so that all 18 of no feel our government la operating for the benefit of the 19 people, as was originally intsaded. Your serious considera- &O tion of our views will help restore that confidenco. Great .n.. g caution must be a:tercised uhen you uil) te ocking crucial t 22 j; decisiens that could affect the livec of generations yat 23 unborn. 1 23, } It is alucyo prudent to "look before we la.p." 1413 220 i P00R Dm; 1
i (' 463 \\ W[t In16 1 can learn to live with less, but let's livo! 2 CHAIntUni IGSKINS: Thank you, Mr. Lcwanthal. 3 MR,, LOWENTinL: Thank you, i cinIn!O.'i HASKINS: That concludes the stateurnt, 3' the limited cppearanca ateterrent of persons uno 'hhva made 6 requests to the Board to be heard with the exception of five 7 persons who do not appear to ho here today. 8 The Board will endeavor to schedule them lator if 8 they so desire; and, if they will communicate with the Board to when they will be mado availablo, we will endeavor to givo 11 them an opportunity as the ucck progresses. 12 MR. DAVENPORT: Sir, Mr. Eraunstein was advised by. 13 the Board that he would be cc.11ed upon to make a limitad I4 appearance, and I'd*like to make a limited appearance mysalf. 15 At the ABC hearings in York, it was not necessary to to writo in in advance. 17 CHAIRMA:I HASKINS: Hell, we hr.vo no requests -- 18 what is your namo? 19 MR. DAVENPORT: John' Davenport. 20 C9AIEMAN 1J2. SKILLS: Would you liko to mako a limited 21 appearanco now, Mr. Davenport? 22 MR. DAt/EMPOR"': Yes, sir, 23 i Cmi7.Rl'.AN HASKINS: Very well, the Doard would like l 24 to heer from you. e p g W A hl un m
469 in17 1 LIMITED APPEARANCE OF JO!ni DAVENPORT, 4299 txxxx 2 ORCHARD ROAD, YORK, PEFNSYLVMiIA. 3 MR. DM'EllPORT: I'm not cure tehy Mr. Troubridge 4 would like to know whether I'm c moeber of any of tha groups 5 involved in the controvercy. I think we should have learned 6 from the McCarthy hearings that tho truth of a person's ,7 statement has absolutely nothing to do with his organizational 8 affiliations. 9 I am not a m mber of any of the intervening to parties, but I trill tall you thoce organinstions that I am gj u member of. They arm the American Z!12 clear Society, the 12 Atomic Industrial Forum, the Republican Party, the York Arca 13 Chamber of Cortnarco, ths York OpportunitieG Industrial Conter, 14 York-Lancaster Data Proc.2asing Management Association, the i 33 ACM and the League of Homon Voters. I i and 2 16 17 IU d E 19 20 e 21] j 1413 222 23; t l 24 l.e f I 1 <l 1
470 CR3272 TAKE 3 1 CIIAIR!m4 IIASKIHS: Mr. Davenport, would you 'R3:jrbl 2 please edvl.ca tne Board, ara you a member cf any of the I 3 Intervenor crganisations! 4 MR. DAVEN? ORT: No, I am not a member of the 5 Intervenor organization;s. 6 C"AIRMI IfASl; INS : Would you stato your name and 7 address, pleace? 8 MR. DAVENPOH!: John Davenport, I live in York 9 Pennsylvania, 4249 Old ;eorgia Road. This is approximately to 11 miles south of the nu lear power planta. 11 I represent r: wife Caroll, and my daughters, Laura 12 and Abby. 13 I have three simple questions which are relevant 14 to the Board's inquiry. They involve insurance, transpor-15 tation, and low-lecci radiation. 16 Question No. 1: Is the plant and equipment 17 within the site bounderies actimated at $025 million insured 18 for full value against loss from nuclear accidents? 19 My evn home,'.s not insured against loss frc a 20 nuclear accidents. My llomecuners Policy has an exclusion 21 clause which says this policy does not insure against loss 22 by nuc1 car radiation or contamination uhether controlled or n3 uncontrolled, et catara. 2/. It in ic true that it is inaured, how is it f.5 pous ble that the p.iblic is only insured fcr ?560 millicn, I P00R ORIBM "" 25 i
jrb 2 471 i a small fraction of its real value; and then the plant, if it 2 is insured, is insured for nera than $560 million by those 3 privato insurars. 4 I am a privato, small bucinessman. If I was given 3 a choice of moving to an area whera there would be certain 6 losces that I would never be incured against, and another 7 area which is far away from a nuc? car plant, it would not 8 occur, where I wouldn't nacd to wor.cy about these losacs 9 and not recover against then, I would movs to a place where 10 I could always be surc ?, hat my investmenh in equiptent 11 would be covered. If there isn't a nucicar power planc therc 12 then thcre isn't any loss. 13 I believe it is important that we should 11 consider thia kind of effect ot a nuclear power plant. 15 Now, if the plant is not insured to ful'. value, it certainly 16 is not fair to the ratepayers and stockholders of the ecmpcny 17 for them to arauno cuch a huge ris::. 18 , Tha second. question: Are truck shipments of 19 spent nuclear fuel to be acccmanied by an escort vehicle? 20 The AZC hc0 indicated in this fina docunent 21 (indicating) right here that the nuclear wasta cash, in 3ven 22 of an accident, will ce aufficiant protection ac the 23 I public frc:n t ancfortation Jange.ra. 2,1 Ncw. if it is true chac thic 20 or 3r) ton cylindri.q t.. 9 1 I 25 cach will not rup tura during 4. 113 ud.le per hour i p.'.ct .i p i P01RBRE M 1413 224 1 i
jrb 3 472 1 with a steel shipment-traveling in the opposite direction 2 during a crossover accidenti then an escort vehicle must be 3 present to deal immediately with the tremendous havoc which 4 will result from the impact from dissipating the impact 5 energy. 6 The crushing, bending, and rupture of steel in an 7 accident of this type limits the scope of the accident. 8 If the cask does not absorb any impact energy by cruching, 9 bending, or breaking, then it vill have to be dissipated by to crushing other vehicles, guardrails, or bridges. 11 Now, if the cask does rupture, then the advantage 12 of the presence of.the escort vehicle is obvious. The 13 Armed Forces have escorted nuclear shipments for years, and 14 they will continue to do so. If they think it is necessary 15 and important, so should the Atomic Energy Comission. 16 The Board should require an escort vehicle for 17 all highway shipments of spent fuel, and police guards for all rail shipments at grade crossings and switching yards. 18 19 The third question: How can I calculate the ~ 20 amount of dose which I.will be receiving frem thesa plants 21 9 unless I am given hour-by-hour radiation release data as i 22 well as wind direction, velocity, and atmospheric stability 23 { datc? I 21 I ha stata cf the art in personal monitoring deviced 9 3 25 is such th.t cnly the human body can accumulate enoutjh P00R OR M 14 o 22s
jrb 4 473 1 low-level radiation to indicate an abnormal dose. 2 Unfortunately, the human body will not tall you for 20 years 3 whan you will develop letkania or scme other type cf cancer; 4 thus, in order to tell before I develop cancer when I am 5 getting more than my share of radiation, I musu calculate 6 it or it must be calculated for me. 7 The information on releases and wind direction, 8 velocity and temperature of the atmosphere at different 9 levels must be constantly digitized and reported on magnetic to tape for input to a computer calculation of dosage rates. 11 These types of devices are available (indicating) 12 here is a picture of one. Here is a picture of the recorder. 13 It costs $12,750. This plant cost $325 million. 14 Not a bad ir. vestment, because it is the only way that the 15 public is going to be able to tell how much their dosage IG is at a particular site. 17 The AEC has made it a practice of releasing 18 avarages and totalc. This just does not work. We have 19 winds blowing in different directions. Then we have different 20 kinds of atmospheric conditions. 21 The Board should require Metropolitan Edison 22 l or the Applicants to provide this service of monitoring this 23 l and publish weekly the accumulated dosa by all possible 1 24 pathways to individuals within a 30-mile radius of the plant, till o 25 I I gave a limited appaartnca at the Peach 30ttem ~
/ jrb 5 474 1 hearings, and I asked similar questions, very simple and E straightforward. ..nd che final rasult at the Peach Bottom 3 hearings, the Board published a document that said, "all 4 relevant questions were ansusred by the testimony given." 5 I questioned that fact. My questions ware not 6 answered during the discussions. 7 So I want to submit my questions to the 8 Cormonwealth. There are three very simple questions. I see 9 no reason why the Co:xnonwealth cannot ask these for me. 10 Is the plant equipment within the sito boundaries 11 insured for full value against loss by nuclear accident 12 or radiation or radioactive contamination? 13 Tuo: Aro truck shipments of spent nuclear fuel 14 to be accompanied by an escort vehicle while traveling in 15 the Commonwealth? I 16 And, three: Will hour-by-hour wind, weather, 17 l tamperature and radioactive release data by digitized on 18 magnetic tape to provide calculation of doses to individuals l 13 who are Commonwealth citizens? 20 Thank you. l 21 CHAIEMAN HAS..IliS: Just a minuta. Thank you, 22 Hr. Davenport. You referred to this " fine do:Umant,".ind 23 you vavod a yellow paper. Could you identify it? 24 liR. DNE.? ORT: This is " Enviro:raantal Survey of O l 25 Trancportation of ncdio&ctive Matorials to and from Nuclear J i =
I P00R ORCli'E jrb 6 475 I G Nuclear Plants," by the U.S. Atoric Energy Cor.ission. Thera are copies in the back. It is one of the peorest 3 examples of statistics I have ever seen in my life, but 4 in reading this document you will find that the result of 5 an accident is not dependent upon what the vehicle is carrying' 6* but just the fact that it is on the road. 7 CHAIlufAN HASKINS: Mr. Surns, off the record. 8 (Discussion off the record.) 9 CHAIRMAN HASKIMS: Back on the record. to Is there anyone else in the roca nta who wi des 11 to make a lirdted appearance? 12 VOICE: I have a statement if you would like to 13 hear it to be read for Hr. Gahris. 14 MR. GITNER: There ic no objection te having it 15 read. 16 CHAIRMid HASKINS: Do you wish to read t 6 or 17 just insert it in the record? IE VOICE:'7 &lchever you profer. - He asked me to 19 read it if that would be appropriate. 20 CHIJRMAN HASKINS: Well, if you uish to rend it, 21 please stop forward. 22 Fircu, would you ntaP.c you nr.ic and address? 23 MS. P33. SONS-MILLER: My narc ia Cecelia 7arcons-24 !! iller, 264 Waluers Strecr LeMoync. 25 CHAIRHAN li1ICIMS : And are you a member of either d 1413 220
jrb 7 J j 1 of the Intervenor's organi::ations? 2i MS. PARSCMS-MIILER: I am a merber of the local 3 Intervenor organization. 4 CHAIRMAN 1G. SKINS: Which is what, please? 5 MS. PARSONS-MILLER: What is the correct title? I 6 The Citizens for Safo Environment, yes. 7 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Yes, thank you. 8 MS. PARSONS-MILLER: " Testimony regarding Three 9 Mile Island Nuclear Plant No. 1, offered by Paul D. 10 Gehris, 4100 Elmerton Avenue, Harrisburg, Pennsylvana, 11 November 5,1973, Docket No. 50-239, at an Atomic Energy 12 Concission hearing at Main Capitol Building, Harrisburg, 13 Pennsylvania, 14 "The cooling tcwors on Three Mile Island have 15 risen as a symbol of progress to some, but as twentieth 16 century towers of Babel to others. 17 My testimony comes to this hearing after trying i8 to study both sides of the icano en atomic pcuored electric production, and finally coming to a negative position. This 39 20 is not oxpert testimony, but having admitted that, the 21 question of the value of "c.xpert" testimony has been que.stiondd i I 22 by at least one other " expert". p,3 The proximity of the island to the Harricburg 24 International Airport is cause fcr conco n. Curtainly 3 cafety factors are ouilt into the project, end the airport traffic ic carefully contrclled. Eut h';;u.n planning '.s not I 1413 229
I 477 jrb 8 1 perfect. 2 Radiation emissions could be a problem, and we 3 cannot lightly brush aside the possibility of contaminction 4 for nearby - 50 miles dcwnwind and down-river? - residents 5 and workers. Atomic pouered radiation is not a final answer G to America's energy crisis. It is high time to attach 7 patterns of consumption with a view to lowering it, while 8 developing foolproof safe energy sources, including thermal 9 power, wind, ocean and cun. 10 The transporting and storage of the radioactive 11 waste is not only our problem, but will be a problem for our 12 progeny as well. It. is not akin to taking out the ashes from 13 a coal stove. 14 In an age when the unbalanced among us plant bombs 15 and hijack airplanes, t ains and terrorize innocent people 1G in other ways, atomic blackmcil could be a wave of the future. I 17 Agruments to the contrary fail to convinco me that it could noc 18 .be attcmpted or even be cuccensful. 19 And finally, in a time uhen we are told big liac 20 frcm high places in our land, is there sufficient reason to 21 believe those who are so concerned to build cnd usa co icuch P00R ORGINAL => 23 I believe it is fair to way " wait". People are 24 more important tinn unli:aited pcwcr and its profligate use. O I 25 The risk is high and the reuult is unsure. j 1413 230
j::b 9 47a 1 History might say two things of us concerning 2 Three Mile Island end other atomic power plante. They were 3 used by nankind near the end of his time -- or they stand 4 as continuing momuments to our wisdom, not using them in spite 5 of a significant investment of money and time a] m dy made. 6 Really, I do not believe the choico.;. that 7 armageddonal, but from my citi= ens' perspective, I'd rather 8 cut down my already meager use of power then risk land and 9 people to a slight but cataclysmic miscalculation. 10 Would you like to have hoth copica? 11 (Handing document to Chairman.) 12 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Thank you very much. 13 Is there anyone cine in the room who desires to 14 make a limited appearance, even though they hava not yet made 15 a formal request to the Board? 16 (Show of hands in the audience.) g7 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: I cee three harals. There is ja a gentleman in the front row; what is your name? 19 MR. BRAUN3TEIN: Morton 3raunstein. I did nake 20 a formal request, but I had to be out of the room for a while: 21 and you may have called my namo then. 22 CHAISNMI HASKIUS: Well, the Board has not receivaf, 23 your request, but it may be down in hchington. But would 24l you como fo nard, pleaca? e PDM'l C. M" wAI p ,gp 3 MR. ElWJMSTEIN: Than't you. 1413 231
P00R ORIGIM 4,, 1 LIMITED APPEAPANCE OF MORTON BRAWSTEIN, ON G 2 ! EEHAT.J' 0F THE YORK-ADAMS LWG ASSOCIATION: 3 MR. DRAUMSTEIN: I am Morton Braunstein of the 4 York-Adams Lung Association, which is the Christmas Seal 3 Agency in York. And I am reporting for the Nuclear Power 6 Task ?orce, which our organization had formed last November. 7 The address of the Lung Association is Box'1125, 8 York, Pennsylania, and neither the Association nor myself 9 are a member of either of the Intervenor's. 10 The York-Adans Lung Association Board of Directors 11 approJed the establishment of the Nuclear Power Task Force 12 in Nover.ber 1972, to develop constructive rece nndations 13 capable of implementation, recognizing the problems of 14 increasing energy demands. The charge to the Task Force 15 want 16 Develop a position considering nuclear power 17 within the framework of the energy crisis as it affsetc 18 clean air conservation and the community health and welfare. 19 The Task Force wishes to precedo summarization ~ 20 of its reccmmendations with a list of existingmd planned 21 atomic power ple.nts in Yo'.h County and vici d ty, Nearby in i 22 the upstream and dcwnstrcam area, a total of approximately 23 5G00 megawatts additional is planned. The total foreseechle 9 nuclear capacity using the Susquehanna water, the upper l .24 L 1 25 Chescpeake Bay included will then be 16 000 cr more I i 30 3 232
jrb 11 480 t megawatts. This will be the greatest concentration of 9 o nuclear capability within tha United States. 3 The report and recc::manditions were reviewed 4 and accepted at a meeting of the Board of Directors on 5 July,17, 1973. 6 Among. the six m% hrs of the Task Force, thoro 7 is one,who is a member of the Intervenor's, Dr. Chauncey ~~ 8 Kepford. 9 There are eight recommendations. Of these 10 eight reco:maendations, three are relevant to one or several 11 of the contentions of the Intervenor's. I will just read 12 the three which are relevant to the contentions. 13 The first recc::mandation is entitled "Reconnenda-14 tions on Areas of Potential Threat to the Public and f5 Environment from Existing or Planned Plants." 16 And this is relevant to Contention No. 7 of the 17 Intervenor's ten contentions. 18 The Atcmic Energy Ces:liscion requires such 19 monitoring as that of milk and general radioactivity. The 20 records are then retained by the Atcmic Energy Ccamission, 21 and the Pennsylvanin Bureau of Radiolcgical Health, where 22 ' they are available to anyone uho wishes to search the raccrds. 23 The following recernendations are.tre.de in ordar to provide 24 immediata information to the neus media rcgarding radiation O 25 monitor.ing ror dicceminction to the public. l t i
jrb 12 I A. It is recommended that the Conatonwealth 2 establish a mile monitoring syctom within a 15-mile radius 3 of all operating nu=lnar reactors in Pennsylvanin. All 4 data obtained shculd be nado available to local ne.cspapers 5 l for publication, and to radio and Tti stations. i 6 l D. It is reccomended that the Ccamonwealth 7 establish a radioactivity monitoring system in the vicinity ~ S l of all operating nuclear reactors. Such monitoring should 9 be concentrated in areas where the public might be a::pected to to congregate, and where people live. All data should be madc 11 ' available to the news m Mia. 12 C. It is recor.nended that the owner-managers 1 13 of utilities be urged to install the best avcilable equipment 14 for removal of radioactive lodino from the gaseous wastes 15 from'*cir respactive. nuclear ranctors, and the best avail-1s abic equipment for renoving (:orrosion, activction and i 17 fission prcducts, other than tritium, frcn their liquid 13 wastes. gg The Task Force realisce that much of the 20 monitoring has already been implamented; therefore, it wishea 21
- to make thia statement of support for monitoring syster.us and a statsment of encourager. ant for expansion Of existing 22 e
3 monitoring systems. 24 Roccinnendation llo. 7 of the Mucicar Pee.mr Tech l' orl Force is rel vant to Contantion lic. 5 of the Interranor'n, g 25 1413 234
jrb 13 482 1 the revised Contentions of Intervenor's. 2 No. 7 reads, it is a public safany reccmmendation 3l for waste handling. It is preceded by v.he statenent: 1 4 The public must be protected as fully as possible 5i from the effects of nuclear waste released to tha environ-G ment. The Cc::nonwealth and local disaster groups should 7 have much more detailed plans and better training of ~ S responsible groups. Following the recommendations herein 9 should provide better protection if and when needed: 10 A. That the Commonwealth imusdiately plan and s 11 carry out a Regional Symposium and Training Session on 12 Dealing with Nuclear Accidents, to be presented at local 13 fire departments, rescue squads, civil defense offices, 14 police depertments, and befora nucienr power plant operators. 15 B. That the Commonwealth pla n and carry out a 16 Work Shop and Symposium on Monitcring the Effects of Nuclear 17 Emissions on People and the Environment, with a goal of 18 establishing a local method monitoring these effects through 19 the cooperation of York and Lancaster County Hospitals 20 and medical staffs. C. Local legislators should be directed to 21 n introduce legislaticn governing tha storage and shictent within Pennsylvania of nuclear wastes. The laia should 23 g require notifica' tion by the shipper to all municipalities through which wastec will be transported, giving the time ,.o
jrb 14 .~. 4 483 1 and route for all highway shipments. 2 D. Legislation shculd be provided to require 3 shipment 0 of nuclear vastes to be made by rail wherever 4 possible instead of by highways. 5 E. Legislation shculd be provided to require all 6 nuclear t7 acto containers to be under vacuum and to contain 7 an easily recognized pungent ordor which is unique and 8 casily recognized. Further, liquids in the tanks should be 9 dyod a unique color in sufficient concentratica to allow 10 emergencyworkers to quickly trace the path of any leak 11 without opecial equipment. Similar techniques should be 12 applied to vessels and containers at the reactor sites. 13 And lastly, Recomendation No. 8, relating 14 to No. 6 of the Revised Contentions of the Intervencr's; 15 and it states, it is a Recom endation on Preferred' 16 Methods of Hect Rejection. 37 Since the nuclear pcwer plant has no chimney, 10 all of its waste heat must be passed to the environment as 19 thermal pollution at river water or cooling tower temperaturcs T.he nuclear plant rejects about 50 to 50 percent more of 20 21 such heat than the fossil fueled plant for the ca.e 22 efficiency and amount of electricity generated. 23 While river, lake or ocean teater is currently 24 used to roccive this.vart amount of heat we chculd note that g air is the most abundant and widely cvailable cooling P00RORISIK1 1415 256
jrb 15 134 1 medium. At low elevations, dry air cooling can 2 produce a plant officiency within one percent of watar-3' cooled plants -- an increase of 2.5 percent to 3.0 per(tut 4 in fuel requirement. Since the fuel cost in a nuclear 5 power plant is 15 percent of production cost, the ai2-cooled 6 plant imposes only a 0.4 porcont increase in fuel crst -- 7 a negligible amount. 8 Anbient air cooling has the added adved. age of 9 not requiring locations near major rivers, laker or oceans. I to Diurnal and annual temperature variations can *n made to 11 help the overall plant efficiency if adequately considered 12 in equipment design. Higher eAcvations shot 1d be considered 13 to remove plants from populated areas and f.ncreace the 14 dilution of. their effluents through wider dispersion. The 15 lower ambient temperatures of the highe elevations may well 16 povide greater plant efficiency than r w experienced in wate r-17 cooled plants. These advantages cou.~d be inrplemented 18 irm:ediately. 19 And there is an asteris?t indicating, "Because this Committee was charged to study nuclear power, the 20 21 recommendations are made accordinfly. The same raccr=enda-22 tions should alco ba made as to i:he uso of ; electricity n from foscil fueled plants." ?.nd the statcmont cf this reconnet.dation states: y All future nuclear plants cheuld be designed 25 6 j
jrb 16 485 1 for dry air cooling, and to take full advantage of the 2 diurnal and annual temperature swings. All such plants 3 should be located in higher elevations away frcm farming 4 and grazing arcac to the greatest extent possible. Such 5 plants shculd be as remote as possible frcm doncely 6 populate 0. arcac. 7 And that concludes the statement of the relevant ~ S reccmmendations of the Public Policy Statement on Nuclear 9 Fower of the York-Adams I.ung Asscciation, as they relate 10 to Revised Contentions of the Intervenor. 11 Thank you, Mr. Chaire.an. 12 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Than't you, Mr. Braun7tein. 13 I asked if there were other limited appearance g4 requests, and I saw two hands. Now I see three. 15 We have exhausted the list of people who made 16 requests in advance, and we are running far behind schedule. / 17 On the other hand I don't want to cut you off. Ic I will ask you one-by-one - the gentleman in 19 the accond row here? Do you have a prepared statement? 20 VOICE: No, I do not. However, at the last 21 prehearing conference I asked if I could make a limited I 22 appearance. 23 l CHI 22 MAN HASXIES: Hould you state your name, l 25 please? I a ca. xrarono, ur. chauncey xcyford. I ?0IRORlH1 1413 238 i o
jrb 17 486 I CHAIRMAN HASZINS: Yes, sir, I remenbar now. 2-Please he seated and let ice che ck the other people. 3 The two hands over here? Yes, the genticman in the back? 4 VOICE: I wrote Mr. Wilchins concerning this 5 hearing, and I thought I wouldn't be here, and I - 6 CHAIRMAN HASKIUS : Would ycu state your name, 7 please? 8 MR. FAIRFAX: Richard Fairfax. I live at 25 South 9 Twentieth Street, Harrisburg. 10 CEAIP EN HASKINS: Well, Mr. Fairfax, we received 11 1 a letter fron you, and it can be entered into the record; 12 and it was not clear from the letter whether you were making 13 a request to appear, or whether you just wished your letter 14 entered into the record. 15 MR FAIRFAX: If that ia entered in the record,- 16 I will he satisfied. 17 CHAIPMAN HASKINS: Your letter will be entered I 18 into tha record now. Thank you. 19 LIMITED APPEAFANCE OF R. J. FAIRFAX, HARRISBURG, 20 FEENSYLVANIA, ON HIS OWN BEHII,F: I 21 "I am intencely concerned about the cost;encing 22 of oper;.tions at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant, 23 Unit 1, Dochet No. 50-289, at Harricherg, Penn sylvania. i 9 gg "As Ralph Mader cc aptly put it, if the Is.erican l t 25 pecple knew the gamble thay were ::aking with nuclsar rnu -ors i t i ao m P0011 ORIGINAL
l 487 rb 18 1 they would go back to candic power. The American public 2 should.cnow and the AEC should inform them on the exposures 3 of nuclear plants. l /' "My prime concern is wh.at these plants might do 4 la reference to the genetic structure and life processes of 5 6 my children and their children. The contamination of our 7 environment and food. These are concerns that haven't had a the definite answers they deserve. "Please enter my letter into the record at 9 the Hearing scheduled in Harrisburg cn the 6th of November 10 11 1973. " Sincerely, 12
- n. J. Fairfax."
13 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: There was one other-lady 14 over here who had her hand up? 1& VOICE: My name is Judith Johnsrud. I have not 16 made a written request to appear; I had understood that I 17 would be asked to testify on behalf of the Intervenors by ~ 18 their attorney, who apparently has decided not to request 19 20 testimony. My statement is very brief. 21 CHAIMDN HASKINS: Do you have a written 22 23 statement? MS. JOHNSRUD : No, I do not have a written 24 Otatemcnt. g3 [ kk i E }}
O October 25, 1973 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION Before the Atomic Safety and Licensing Board In the Matter of ) ) METROPOLITAN EDISON ) Docket No. 50-289 COMPANY, et al. ) ) (Three Mile Island' Nuclear ) Station, Unit 1) ) APPLICANTS ' PREPARED TESTIMONY RELATED TO ICING AND FOGGING My name is Charles L. Hosler. I reside at 1000-Plaza Drive, Apt. 601B, State College, Pa. 16801. I am a meteorologist and have worked for 25 years in the field of weather modification--natural, inadvertant End overt. I have over 60 scientitic publications in thir field and serve on many Federal, State and professional panels and boards concerned with these problems. I have, since 1968, applied my knowledge in this field to determining what, if any, effects the heat and water vapor originating from cooling towers will have on local weather or climate. I have published papers relating the results of these studies. Since 1968, in order to determine what might be expected as a result of evaporating a total of between 12,000 and 20,000 gallons of water per minute from the Three Y D A aw,
Mile Island cooling towers, a number of theoretical and observational studies have been underway. While large evaporative cooling towers had been used widely in Europe with no ill effects reported, no experience was available in the climate of the Eastern United States to gauge the local consequences. Fortunately, an installation of four hyperbolic towers not very different from those proposed at Three Mile Island were in operation at Keystone in Western Pennsylvania and soon after towers went into operation at Homer City, Conemaugh and Morgantown, West Virginia. Also fortunately, cloud dynamics studies had produced numerical models which were potentially capable of predicting the behavior of the water vapor plumes emanating from these towers. It remained to check observations of actual plume behavior at Keystone with ^the model predictions. In addition to intermittent ground and aerial observations since 1968, a systematic program of daily cooling tower plume photography was conducted in 1969. Detailed studies of the influence of weather and climate on plume behavior were carried out using data from Harrisburg State Airport, Olmstead, Washington, D.C. and Pittsburgh to assess any differences or similarities between Keystone and Three Mile Island. Spread over one year, aircraft ascents were made over Three Mile Island to assess the character of the vertical distribution of temperature and humidity and this was related to ; utine soundings'taken in Washington, D.C. 1413 242.
and Pittsburgh. Special soundings taken in Philadelphia were also utilized in this study. It very soon became apparent that early concerns over surface fog production were unwarranted. The plumes from the Three Mile Island plant will ascend to heights always exceeding 1,500 feet and usually much greater. No visible plume will reach the ground and no increase in humidity will occur at the ground in the vicinity. By the time any moisture from the plume reaches the ground several miles downwind, it will be so diluted it will not be measurable. These conclusions are based on both observations at Keystone, Homer City and Conemaugh and theory. The only remaining concern was any affect the visible plume raight have on aircraft operations. A flight program was carried out in which a specially instrumented aero-commander twin engine aircraft used at Penn State to study cloud characteristics was used. On these flights, turbulence, vertical motion, liquid water content and cloud drop sizes were measured. Penetrations were made as low as 50 meters above the tower mouth. A summary of the results of these measurements reveals that: In no case was anything Lut light turbulence experienced and in most cases only a barely discernable uplif t was felt. It is difficult to stay in the plume for more than a few seconds due to its small dimensions. On mcst occasions no droplets were observed to strike the windshield. On a few occasions drops were \\h\\h kb 9 observed to strike the windshield but in very small numbers and they immediately evaporated apon departing from the plume. Measurements of drop size revealed that most are too small to strike the air foil or windshield and the liquid water content of the cloud is very low compared to natural cumulus clouds. Thus, in addition to the small time spent in the plume which prohibits accumulation of ice, even if one could stay in the plume, accumulations would be insignificant. Deposition of vapor from clouds on aircraft surfaces is too slow to be important and could not occur on most surfaces due to. dynamic heating of the air near the skin of the air-craft. In general, the measurements show that the visible plume is indistinguishable from small natural cumulus clouds and the only significant effect of the plume on air navigation is to reduce visibility during those few occasions (about 2% of the time) when extended plumes occur. These occasions all correspond to periods when there are almost certain to be low clouds and precipitation naturally present. The plume from the cooling tower has no special properties that will distinguish it from the natural clouds except its location. On the few occasions a year when the plume levels off immediately below the natural cloud base, there will be the effect of lowering the cloud base by as much as a few hundred feet. Because of the penetration achieved by these plumes, O jg}3 2kb this phenomenon will always occur at an altitude above 1,500 feet and usually above 2,000 feet. Thus in no case would this tend to increase the number of hours when ceilings ( would be below minimum. In summary, it is my conclusion after five years of study of the Three Mile Island plant as proposed and similar installations operating over that period in Western Pennsylvania, that there will be no fogging or icing at the surface as a result of operating the four towers at Three Mile Island. The nature of the visible plume will not permit it to reach the ground. Upon leaving the visible plume, the small droplets evaporate very quickly and cannot reach the ground. About 2% of the time mostly on cold, humid mornings or when rain or snow is falling, the elevated plume will be seen to extend a mile or more from the tower. This visible cloud of water droplets has all of the properties of a natural cloud and presents nc hazard to aircraft which might penetrate it. In most cases, at some dis.ance the plume is indistinguishable from and blends wi+.h natural clouds. d es 9 . jrb 19 I CHAIRMAN HASKINS: All right, be saated, please. 9 E Thank you. 3 Dr. Kepford, I rcmertber your requent at tha / 4 prehearing conference. Uill you come forward, plence? xx x xP DR. KEPFORD: rihank you. 6 LIMITED APPEARANCE OF DR. CHAUNCEY KEPFORD, 7 YORs, PSHNSYLVANIA, ON HIS OWN BEHALF: 8 DR. KEPFORD: Thank you. 9 My name is Dr. Chauncey Zepford. I have a Ph.D. 10 in chemistry and a couple of years' experience an a 11 radiation cheist with United Radiation Labs in East 12 Hartford, Connecticut. 13 I am not a member of any of the intervening 14 organizations as was mentioned by Mr. Braunstein; however, 15 I have vocked closely with both of the organizations -- if 16 that will satisfy Mr. Trowbridga. He can draw his own 17 conclusions. I 18 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Dr. Kopford, would you state ~ where you live? D wD L mo 19 e is oA A a 20 DR. KEPFORD: Yes. 21 I live at 103 North Sherman S'2ect, York, 22 Pennsylvania, 17401. \\ n3 I would like to talk about a number of things, I 24 the first is the general prchie.m the public has in dcaling 25 with the Atemic Energy Co=niscion. -) g () i I A
489 jrb 20 1 The Atomic Energy Ccuission wac charged by 0 2 the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to regulate and promote the 3 peaceful uses of Atomic r.nergy, including nuclear power 4 plants,among other things. One of the problems the public 5 has, of course, is the Atcmic Energy Cc ::niscion makes the 6 rules under which it operates, and it makes these rules for 7 its convenience, primarily. 8 The Atomic Energy Commission appoints the Boards -- 9 such as the one we have hero. They are generally composed 10 of an Atomic Energy Comnission Staff lawyer, and two 1; technical people, at least one of which has normally been 12 a contract recipient frcm the Atomic Energy Comission for a 13 period of years. 14 The public is ask.ed to believe that these Boards r D'l I h b 15 are unbiased. b 9 1 bu d 16 The Rtomic Energy Ccamission, ni .c case of a 17 hearing lika this, if it goes to an appeal, the Atenic 18 Energy Comission also appoints the Appeal Board. 19 17e are also asked to believe that they are 20 unbiased. The Atcmic Energy Commissicn advice-Congress on 22 all manner of subjects, including appropriations, weapons 23 procurement, new la'..'c for the.^.temic Energy Ccrmission, and g so on. !Torrally, Congrees listens Jcry attentively: the O ei l 33 ; Ato:aic E.argy Conniscion normally get: what in rants. jj 1413 247 l
jrb 21 490 I The AEC cdvises the President. Recently we had 9 a President Hiron in Eichland, Washington saying hcw desperately 3 we needed the fast breeder program. Of course, a few weeks 4 ago he seems to have changed his mind; we don't knew t; hat 5 happened there. 6 There is one bright spot, though, where the public 7 deals with the AEC: And that is when it comes time to take O the Commission to Court. They have a notably bad track. 9 record there. Calvert Cliffs is one . example. Scientists 10 Institute for Public Information suit over the environmental 1 11 ~ impacts of the fast breeder reacter is a notable example. 12 There are more. %@ (0 {iijh@h M ..o 13 I would also like to talk a little bit about I4 reactor safety. John Simon mentioned the WASH-740 Report 15 which was published in 1957, which concerned nuclear -- 16 accidents with nuclear reactors. The case he mentioned was 17 for core meltdown. He also mentioned the revised WASH-740 10 report which was done in late 1964, and early 1965; but as 19 he mentioned, it has nv'c been rehaced to the public. 20 I have four docunents which I will identify 21 for ths racord, and I would like to read small exce pts, 22 one or two sentence s.rcerpts, frcm some of these. 25 Those are concerning potential accidente ct 24 nuclea power plants of apprc:timatcly the same :sise as 6 l 25 Three F.ilo Ialand or Peach Ecttom - not e:actly, but just i \\h\\
1 . jrb 21 491 1 about in between. 2 Two of these acct:ments represent minutes of 3 meetings cf the people who wara making this report, and 4 variouc ncmes are nentioned, and I will include these nanea. 5 Oh one more thing: It has often been said by 6 the nuclear industry that the astimates which went into the 7 damage consequence of WASH-740 were extravagant, that sort of ~ 8 thing could never happen because all manner of safety features 8 would work. And of course, we have yet to see any of 10 these safety features work. II All right, in that context, I will quote: "Dr. 12 Back stated that apparently no basis has been found to 13 suggest that the conclusions of WASH-740 were too I4 conservative, but rather, perhaps that they were not 15 sufficiently conservative." And he goes on, "Dr. Beck- " 1G, Oh, incidentally, this is Document No. 92, Minutes of the 1~ Stecring Comittee on Revision of 1%SH-740, Bethesda, IS 16 December 1964. And I am reading from page 10. 19 Dr. Beck stated that in prepcring the report 20 Brookhav would be responsible fer the assumption and 21 calculation, and two, a discussicn of the factors with regard 22 to the assumption of expected consequences of the accident. 23 l Now that Brockhaven has done tha study and gottan i s s 24 the re3alts or conclucionc thera remained a natter of 25 publishing the EHL Report with discuscion, but without i .s. i
jrb 22 492 1 quantitative results. Dr. Cowan asked how this could be 9 2 done without anybody, that is the Joint Cc=:nittee on Atomic 3 Energy, knowing that the results are 50 to 100 times worse. 4 Dr. Beck stated that there was cuareness of the fact that it 5 was worse and that made the matter of the form of the report 6 very important. ~ 7 The reason I quoteci this is for two reasons: 8 First off, it suggests that the results might be 50 to 100 9 times worso for modern-day cort,meltdcwn accidents than in 10 EASH-740. The second is in the last sentence where they 11 stated that the form of the report was so very important, 12 I suggest that the reason the form of the report was so very 13 friportant was nothing more than the fact that they did not 14 want the public to know of the reporc. 15 On page 12, I would like to quote a centence, 15 where Dr. Beck says it would not be unfair to say that the 17 results would be somethin:; like 40 times higher, but that certainly they could not be lower. 18 19 And again this is in the conte:ct cf the WASH-740 $ND TXG3 20 report. That will be all from this document. 21 0 = 24 1413 250 as I t
493 4 I I MR. KEPFORD: One further quote on page four. This Glee 4 1 s in tha context, now, of the arca of land which may be damaged 2 i 3i duo to releaned radioactivity, and Mr. Downs had said scue-4 thing. He said -- a quote. He said that, "Mr. Smith has 5 prepared isotope curves for given releases and meteorclogical E conditions that show the areas involved. For a big accident 7 the area would be the size of the state of Pennsylvania." 8 That is all from document number 92. 9 Just a couple of sentences from the document 34. 10 This is, again, the minutes of the Steering Committee, a 11 revision of Wash. 740, Brookhaven National Labcratory, October 12 21, 1964. The contcy.t here is computer programs describing 13 the courns of the accident. 14 Dr. Beck asked if the computer program is ready. 15 Mr. Downs replied that they were running but that the results 16, were fragmented. Dr. Winch noted that unless some mechanism i 17 can be found to make their assumptions impossible, "The numbers 18 look pretty bad." 10 Dr. Dcck inquired about the loss assumptions. Mr. 20 Downs indicated that at these levels it seemed pretty 21l ridiculous to define them. 2cading the last sentence, "Mr. I 22 Downs noted that evacuation had been censidered but it was i 13l considered impracticc1 to include.'- t 9 2dl In another place in these doetments, I mignt add, thej I k zu also seated chat unless cvacuation taxes g - c siehin eco cr Ia 1413 25!
494 4-2 1 three hours of the accident, there in no point in evacuating 2 becausa tne people are offectively 63ad anyuay. i t 3 CHAIPPRi HASHIN3: Dr. :(!;pford, I don' t want to cut i l 4 you off, but you have run way beyond your five minutes, so S would you make an effort to draw your remarks to a close? 6 F.R. KEPPORD: All right. 7 One sentence fron docwnent 02. ~ 6 " Estimates for the lia.bility for such an accident 9 could be as high as $17 billion." This is an attachment from 10 a letter to Dr. Joseph A. Lieberman of the Atomic Energy 11 Commission dated December 15, 1964. 12 That will be all from these documente. I would have 13 liked to talk a bit about tha Price Anderson Act and what a 14 hoax it is. However, I won't because that will ccce cut anyway. 15 The last thing I would like to talk about is to make 16 two statements.about the problex. of thyroid glands. This will 17 be very short. tg In a book entitled " Biochemical Individuality", 19 by Roger 111111ams, published in 1956, he noted two things about 20 the variability of properties of the chyroid gland. The reason 21 we are talking about the thyrcid gland is bocarse radioactive 22 iodine collects in thyroid glandc. 1 23 "The variability of the prctein-bouw2 ict.ine" -- and l 2; this can, of ccurre, Sc radioactive icdine - " varies in i, i i 23 (! individuals by a factor of three between the high and icw I l ll )4\\3 9R7 t ~--
495 1 extremes,"and these are adults. "The weight variation of the 2; mature thyroid gland can very by a factor of six in adults." 3 Now, with those nunbers in mind, I sould like to ask i 4l the Board.-- and considering, of courso, the possibility that 5 thyroid containing the largest amount of protein-bound icdinc G might also be for some reason the amn11 cst thyroid gland -- 7 how are those people going to be protected from severe over-a exposuro by these lowect practical guidelinos? 9 It could, given these figurec, perhaps exesed the 10 guideline value by a factor of five, at least. Also, in the 11 context of large scale radiation exposure to the public, I 12 would like to nak the Board exactly how is a radiation injury 13 defined? At what level doce a person become injured as opposed 14 to one who is not injured at a doso below that level; for 15 instance, a dose of 50 rads? 16 Does a dose of 50 rads to an adult human being or 17 child constitute an injury? And how long must this person la wait before he knows whether or not he is injured, or how does Is he tell whether or not he ic injured in a radiation accident? I I 20 My last question would be, again pertaining to the 21 Price A.iderson Act, if nuclear reactors are as safe as the vendorn l and purchasers say they cro, why won't they risk their company's! 22 23 assets on this accured cafety, or do they know comething we f 24 don't know? 9 4 25 s Thank you very much, j If !l 1413 253 l n
496 I CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Thank you, Dr. Xepford. E f' liow we will take the statra. ant frsn tac lady in the l secpqd, row who d first name is Judy, and I don't know hcu to ( 0 [ spell her last nane. I 1 5 How do you spell your last name, na'am? 6 MS. JCHNSRUDs My name is Judith Johnsrud, that's 7 J-o-h-n-s-r-u-d. l XXX 8 STATEMENT OF MS. JUDITH JOIDiSRUD, STA"'E COIJ2GE, PA. 9 MS. JOffNSRUD: I am appenring today on behalf of 10 the Central Pennsylvania Ccanittee on Nucinar Power, which is / 11 an organization based in St-to College a full one hundred miles / 12 from tha site of Three Mile Island. 13 I am a geographer by profe sion. I have testified 14 before Atomic Safety Licensing Board Committees with cospect to 15 population, transportation, and evacuation planning fdr Newbolt 1, 16 Island and Limerick a year and a half ago. 17 I have just a few points that I should like to 10 bring up with you gentlemen. Let me add, first, that because 19 of the great distance between Three Mile Island reactor and 20 State College, Penns*2 '.vania, it has been acsumed *.n the past 21 that those who recide that great distance away would not be In l seriously affected by what occurs at this reactor. i 20 l I believe that the infor:caticn that I hava l 24 i onl; cecantly ascertained contained in the l'J65 revision, :no 1 25 werking papers nou avellabic to the public but cartainly ot i }kk l
497 I available until this past su=mer, make it clear that we who O 2 liva at great distance from the reactor arc in fact vitcily i interested in how it functions and in its potentici for 3 4 accident. 5 Ucu, may I ask you gentloosn if you have ycurceives 6 read any portions of the very recently published National 7 Science Foundation atudy generally known by its author, the x 3 Ebbon Report, actually entitled " Citizen Group Use of Scientific 0 and Technolcgical Information in Nuclear Power Cases," I believe to is the wording, published late in this summer, 1973. li Are you acquainted with the accument, gentlemen? 12 CHAIRMAU HASXINS: Persono making limited appearances 13 are not entitled :o ask questions of the Board or of anybcdy 14 else, so we interpret this as a rhetorical question. 15 MS. COHNSRUD: All right, fine. May I then add that 16 if you are not acquainted with it, I should like to urge you to 17 familiarize yourselves wj.th its contents, because Mr. Ebben i te draws tha most distressing conclusion by using such terms to descfibe your function here as simply a " charade". 19 ~ 20 Now, we of the public, understanding thnt you are, 21 in fact, public servants paid frox public monaye, assure and j 22 believe that it is your charge to protect our public interest, l 25 I should liko do suggest to you gentlemen that you hcp l g an unparalleled caportunity in txic 11 censing csec so ahore1, 24 25 after the publication of that very distressing document togivo.f 1413 255
498 the lie to Mr. Ebben's conclusions that the ;*.temic Safety 1 2l andLicensingBoardsdonotinfactfairlyevaluatothepoteni:iak ? 3 hazards of a nuclear power reactor in the granting of licenses. 4 You have an unparalleled opportunity to serve the public interent. .c> 6 Now, with respect to the actual conditions of Three 7 Mile Island reactor and its potential for hazard to the public 8 of the Harrisburg metropolitan area, I unld like to say just oni ) g or two things very briefly. 10 In examining the records of construction for this 33 rather old reactor one finds the rather unfortunate incidents g related to the difficulties with the pouring of concrete in the containment wall. One finda racords of construction defects g with respect to the pouring of concreco in the fuel handling building. 1_3 16 assa tM you gtnuemen han madned these construction records and "ill take into account the possibility that in f ct these prote ctive structures do not la g havo the full measure of strength uhich we might have anticipated of a properly constructed ple.nt. g In additica, we find a nunter of que:;tions and l ! reservations raised in the ACIts letter on Three Mile Island, 22 [ f clearly a "go-slow" warning, if you vill. But perhaps r.ost l 23 ii 1.important, we find in ::he nucicar literature cu rentivthe l 24 e anticipation of a nuolor of rather t:arked majer chtng ca in a h 1 )hib
499 3 standards to which reactors fould be e:cpected to add here in the future in both terms of popu!.ation dosec, shortly anticipated frem 3 the Environmantal Protection, Agency, and in torns of expectations (~ of now, improved systecs such as the dual control ayatem for 4 5 react r a rams which will be required subsequently of reactors S but is not now required of this particular one. 7 Here in the Harrisburg metropolitan area ve have a 8 Peculiarity of population and transportation facilities that g gives us serious question with respect to the potential for g evacuation under either a class 9. accident or a class 8 acci-dent, the, design basis accident which miriht require the removal g of the low population zone residents. g "E 98 ~~ "" 13 sorry I wasn't able to attend yuterdcy or earlier this morning today -- I have noted, howevor, that there is a paucity of visual information presented to you. In studying the caps available in the preliminary l _e Safety Analysis Report and the Final Safoty Analysis Reports, I have felt as a geographer accustomad to working.with maps and translating those maps into the actualities of hunan movement that th6re was a vary poor translaticn available throupi the maps available in those reporis. Now, that bcing the caso, I have a specific request t to make of this Safety and Licensing Ec?.rd hcfore their 24 1 9 f' departure from the Harrisbtu g are4 and I put it to ye': in the.' 25 1' J 1A13 ?57 i
l 500 1 most ccm=cn, simplo of terms. 9 I 2. l Gantlemen, before you.'.envc here a::perienco t.he 5:00 i Friday afternoon rush to leave the Harrisburg metropolitan 3 4 area, and judge for yourselves in the public interest whether 5 in fact the transportation facilities in this limited river G valley with peculiarly limited egress from the city of Harris-7 burg would be adequate in the event of a clcss 9 a:cident which, 8 from the information that seems to be availabic to us, you will 9 shortly be e:cpected to evaluate in the course of auch hearings to as these. 11 I believe that concludes my statement. Thank you. 12 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Two questions, pleasc. 13 You mentioned State College. Is that where you 14 livo? 15 MS. JOHHSRUD: Yes. 16 CHAIRMAM EASKINS: Are you a r. ember of either of the 17 environmental groups which Mr. Sager represents? 18 bE. JOHNSRUD: I an a member of the Environmental 19 Coalition on Nuclear Power, but I am representing today, howeved, 20 the Contral Pennsylvania Committoa on Nuclear Pcwer, which is 21 strictly a State Collega organization. 22 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Thank you very much. 23 The Board would only cbserve that while ve untici-24 pated, when we came hero, experiencing the 5 p.m. rush on Friday, 23 we may not have that privilege. .{ 1413 ?58
501 I We plan shortly to take a recess, and I uanted to 2 be sure that all the lead counsel were here. I think they are 3 here now. Therefore, we will recess for tan minutes. I 4' MR. TROWBRIDGE: Mr. Chairman, may counsel approach 3 the bench a moment? 6 CHAIIC4AN HASKINS: Yes. 7 MR. GITNER: Defore that, in respon,se to the limited O appearances, the Commission will attempt to encwor questions 9 that were raised here,. and we will, by lettor, answer the ques-10 tions that were specifically addressed to the Commission as best 11 we can. 12 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Thank you very much, Mr. Gitner. 13 I may say that, of course, the Board will consider 14 very seriously all these stataments and likewise the documents 15 which have been referred to. 16 Will counsel approach the banch. 17 (Discussion off the record.) 18 CHAIR! FAN HASKINS: The recess, at the request of 19 counsel, will be for 20 minutes. i 20 (Recess.) 21 CHAIRMAIT HASKIUS: The hearing vill now be in order, 22l The Board has scze precedural matters at this time l 23 it wishes to announce, and clso one limited appearance it f .i 24 D wishes to tako, but it looks as if Mr. Trc?: bridge hac comathing O i 25 to cay. -[ n! 1413 259 N
502 3 MR. TRCNBRIDGE: Mr. Chairman, we would again request t 2,; permistica to approach the bench. dcuever, if chere is a limited if 3f appearence, it is just as well we take it. I would ask, however, 'I I
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that we have the opportunity to approach the bancS again. 6 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: You certainly are entitled to do that 7 The procedural matters are very brief. One relates to the O reccrd, and Mr. Trowbridge, you indicated that the statement 9 of one of your witnesses had not been -- 10 MR. TRON 3 RIDGE: Dr. Hosler did not get physically 11 incorporated in the transcript an ordered by the Board. 12 CHAIRMAN HASKING: It is the Docrd's direction 13 that Dr. Hosler's testimony should ha incorporated in the trans-la cript. It did not get into thz transcript yesterday. The 15 Board will ack the reporter to put it in at the beginning of the 16 transcript today, or if that is not physically feasible, at 17 an appropriato place with a notation to that effect.
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503 ,i 8 i CHAIRMAN HASKINS: We received a copy of the G b 2 p statement by l'ar. Shelly which the Board P.sked be incor., orated b. 3 in the record. Of course, it in necessary to have 30 copies (' 4 if you are going to incorpocato a document in the trahscript, 5 becausa there are that cany numbers of copies of the transcript 3 which are distributed. 7 I am asking the reporter to note that we have a received the document and it will be placed in the public 9 document room in the docket in Washington, and available for 10 public inspection. 11 The same also applies to a paper from Mr.Woodside, 12 who furnished three copics. That is short of the necessary 30, e j / 13 and I hava asked the reporter to do the same thing and to make 14 a notation that it has been received, and that a copy vill be 15 available in the Public Proceedings Branch in Washington. 1G New, we havo one further request for a limited 17 1 appear $nce statement. I would like to take that up this 13 morning. 19 Mr. Wood, are you present and available? If you IO would step forward to this podium. Would you first identify a 21 ! yourself, state your name, placse, and your address. I XXX 22 LIMITED STATEMENT OF ERNEST WCOD, GETTYSBURG, PENNSYLVANI?. 23 l MR. WOOD: Ernest Wood, R.D. l.- Gettynburg, Penn-Elp[ sylvania. I am a Director of the Adams C0unty EnvironTen'al 9 c I 23 ' Imprevement Association. I su also the r.rccter of tha ucalth S. e i 1413 ?61 i
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l I 504 1 Inferration Movement in Gettysburg, however, I cpeak here as a e . citir.an. l c 1. il 3U CHAIR!iAN HA3ZIUS: Lat me ask you thic, tho, question 1 ( 4.,I have askdd the earlier particip nts, and you were not here, 5 I think, in the rcom: Are you a norter of either of the 6 Intervenor groups, namely, the Citizens for a Safe Environment 7 cr the Environmental Coalition on Nuclear Pcve d U MR. WOOD: I get their literature. 9 CHAIm1AN DASKINS: Ycu are not a member"? I to MR. WOOD: No. 11 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Go ahcad with your statement, g i 12 please. 13 MR. WCCD: Ia considering atomic power in any plant, !4 I feel we should t.nho into consideration the chability of our 15 l society before ne get involved further into such a high-rink [ 1 ?S ftype of energy. We hava the risk of sabotage at thb plant. I 8 i 17 We have the risk of sabotage at the transport points, and wo 18 o have the risk thace days of highjacking this nctorial which I 19 would be extremely usefal to other governmente au well as to 20 pacple who wanted to do da aage to our own gcVern cent. El I 21q In fact, I *.hink we e.re playing.'. game ci roulette 4 22 ] wr.cc tou use and add to su sonrco of energy in thin area. It h. i .t3 ien't l'.?;e gasolina cr natural gas. It ia far fror. it. j 4 i 2c; I teould nico like te call your cttantion to tha faco ! G - that if I tcas c. the other side planning war gcnes and doing h
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505 j targeting, I would take serious consideration of the fact that 2 ue have these beautiful atomic targets which can do more damage 3 by thenselves exploding than the Sc.Ib itucif. _3 The plants, as I understand it, are going to be ( hardened to the e:: tent-tha. t they could take a 707 crash. This a is goed, but I don't think it is hard enough for a small -- just 6 7 even a small -- atomic bomb or oven a very heavy warhead of the old-fashioned type. So we have that factor, I think, to take 3
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nh 10g! I sp2nt a number of years with the Defense Depart- ' ment, and I know how the planning goes on and how it is always the energy of the country that is one of the things that I becomes vital. 13 I think another thing we should take careful con-I sideration of in any plant, or increasinJ the number of plants, 15, as we have, is the long-term incrementa1 incrce.se,in radiation that is going to occur. We are not thinking so much about L ourceives at the present time, but how about our kids and their 10 t children 25, 50, 75 years frem now when you are talking about Irypton-85 and these other things adding to the atmosphere, wherc 20 i 1 1 l we are getting several hundred percent increace? ,,c: 3 What about 25, 50, 75 yearn from now? I think this 25 i l l la a very serious mattor. t I don't think it has been thoroughly 20f li studied and I think we shculd givo.:.t more coceideratien than we have. i o c- .7 [ [
506 1 I realize the great importance of ele-trical power 2 and I feel that we should make plans for additional er. orgy from 3 this source because our other sources of anargy are just 4 disappearing. So I think the utilitics, for instanco, should 5 rk'2k about maintaining on a lease or rental basis with indi-6 /idual consumers uind power systems and solar systons. 7 We built a house that has a good deal of solar energy 8 used to heat-it. Now, it is merely a matter of design. It is nothing unusual, just a matter of design that helped the house, 9 10 so as of today -- this is the 6th of Nova:aber -- we have only l 11 used our electric power -- we hava an electric heat pump. We 12 have only used that three times so far, and only for short 13 periods of time, at that. The rest of the time ue have had 14 enough heat from the solar heat. 15 Last of all, I would like to say in my experience 16 with government that governcent is c19ays closer ro industry 17 than they are to the consumer. Now, this is unfortunata, but 18.it seems to be the way it works out, and I en glad to have had [9 this opportunity today to speak as a consumar, one who is ( 20 interested and one uho feels that you are giving the concur.cr 1 21 a better chance to talk with goverament in a way that we 22 should have the opportunity to do. I think this is inportunt. I 23 I would reiterate, the stthility of the cociety 34 vorries sc. I don'L think we are above having a civil war. I O 25 don't think we are above having riots. And I think that the war -- we are not above having war. We can sea the predicaneni.s; I 1 I4I3 204 2
507 1 wo get into very quickly and suddenly, and this has happened 9 2 just in the past month. So a little bcmb on a big beab -- you 3 ) know, that plant there is just like a big bcmb. I understand ( 4 from AEC reports that if it want off in the right v.iay, i.? could i 5 i cover three Pennsylvanias. s 6 Then the last thing is th:.s incremental increase that 7 we are getting in radiation year after year after year, and 8 what about our grandchildren, our great grandchildren? What 9 about them? We have to think about them as we plan this. to Thank you very much. 11 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Thank you, Mr. Wood, for a very interesting statement, and the Board appreciates your coming 12 13 all the Way from Gettysburg to make it. 14 Now, I underst:nd counsel wish to approach the 15 bench again. 1G (Discussion off the record.) _ 17 CHAIRMAN EASKIHS: The Board is shortly going to take i a short recess because I am going to call a meeting of counsel, p3, 19 and the Board will maat with the lead counsel from each of the 20 parties, tir. Trowbridge, Mr. Gitner, Mr. Sager cnd Mr. Adler. 2; Therefore, we will racesa for 15 minutes. 22 IROCGUS 3 l 4 a fis I 33 f 24I'i 1413 265 g m !q e .i o A i
508 l f5 h I CHAIRMAN EASKINS: The hearing will nov recumo. 91 2 We hava taken 1:p a great deal of the.c.orning with 3 limited cppocrancoa, unich is perfootly apprcpria'm and 4 propcr; and, because of that, I think ue ucn't try to go bach 5 to cross-exaraination before lunch, to I think ahortly wa'11 6 adjourn. 7 I did want to make one announcement. Counsel for 8 the Intervencro had requestod that Commissionsr De.enberg be D taken out of turn and that we haar his testinony on November to 7th, nascly, to:r.orrow; and, apparently, he would be available 11 tomorrow afternoon. Therefore, we :eill continue with our 72 regular hearing in the morning, but we will interrupt it at 13 uhatever point we are and hear Cocnissicner Denenberg at two 14 p.m. tomorrow afternoon. 15 MR. OLSON: Mr. Chairman, the Staff had, an prc~ .5 viously issued, a request for taking Centissionar Donenberg's 17 deposition; and the Staff uould not be prepared to croac le oxcmino Commicsionar Donenberg to.torrow, so we would prefer 19 that that also be postponsd. 20 CHAIRMMI HaSKIUS: I hear you, Mr. Olson; and your 21 request la denied. Wo vill hear Cc:tmis.!ioner CanonMrg i 22 at two p.m. tomorrow aftarnoon. j i 23 h The hearing will ncW adjourn until 2:30. ( l l 74 l MR. TRONSRIDGE: Mr. Chairman, excre me, _t l k 25 unclear. gq 1413 266 u w
ili 503 I en2 I perhaps misunderstood the conference thcu wo just 2 i: had. 1J3 I tinderscand, Ccenicuic'.r Dcnenbarg will f.pp :ar i 3I toraorrcw. The scard ' vill hear.irgunent and rule on the 4 adnissibility of his cestimon/ cc that tir:e; cu I ccrre.:t i 5,l on thic? 6 CHAIRMAN HASKINS: Well, we cortainly ara not 7 ruling on the admissibility of his testimony. That would be e 3 one of the issues. t 9 When he appearc, we will censider his teattmny; to whether it's admissiblo; whethor it's within the scope of the 11 contentions and the like; but he will appear at two p.m. 12 tomorrow afterncon. 13 MR. TRO'i!BT.IDGE: 1.i o t. And, if allowed, I 15 accume we will also, as Mr. Olson has said, no will be cble 15 to en tho record discuas itita t'to Soard the queation of tha 16 ti:cing of any furthcr reopensca or further tacticon/' in this 17 area. I tioll,' ths Board certcinly vould CHAITulatl H. WINS: 13 19 not e:cclude discussion of any party by any other precedural I steps with regard to that wit.ncas or any othar witnasu. 20 i a Very woll. Un will new adjnurn until 2 30 thia I 22 afterncon. t nI (Fncraupon, 0.t i.0:os p.m. Pric hearing unc i 24 roceccad fer lunch, to recer. vans ac '! 30 p.a., t% ; ccan j G l s i 33 day.} j
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