ML19208B107
| ML19208B107 | |
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 07/06/1979 |
| From: | Donaldson D, Velez P Metropolitan Edison Co, NRC Office of Inspection & Enforcement (IE Region I) |
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| TASK-TF, TASK-TMR NUDOCS 7909190059 | |
| Download: ML19208B107 (47) | |
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IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 31 of Peter Velez Radiation Protection Foreman 43 Si Ei i
II si Trailer #203 si NRC Investigation Site TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10' Middletcwn, Pennsylvania 11!
June 7. 1979 12!
(Date of Interview) l$l July 6, 1979 14!
(Date transcript typec) 303 15i (Tape Nuccer(s))
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This is an interview of Mr. Peter, P as in PAUL, Velez that's i
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Mr. Velez is a Radiation Protection Foreman employed by Metro-3 politan Edison at the Three Mile Island Facility.
Today's date is June 7, 4j 1979 the present time is 10:00 a.m. EDT.
This interview is being conducted Si in trailer 203 which is located just outside of the south gate to the Three 6l Mile Island Facility.
Individuals present for this interview representing 7l the NRC are Mr. Dale, E as in EDWARD, Donaldson that's 00NALDSON.
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1 gj Donaldson is a Radiation Specialist employeed at Region I with the U.S.
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Also present Mr. Gregory, P as in PAUL, 10l Yuhas that's YUHAS. Mr. Yuhas is also a Radiation Specialist employeed h
with Region I of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Speaking now and 12l m derating this interview is Mark with a K. E. Resner, RESNER, I am an g
investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor, Headquarters the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Mr. Velez has been interviewed previous g
.,ns to this and at that time was given a two page document which explained the 16i purp se scope and,the authority with which the Nuclear Regulatory Commission conducts this investigation.
In addition it apprised him that he is entitled to a representative of his choice to be present during the interview should he desire one, and also that he is not compelled to talk to us if he does not want to.
Additionally, Mr. Velez was given a statement which explains
<0t Title 18 United States Code, Section 1001 which addresses fraud and false 21; statements.
Mr. Velez has signed and dated this statement and indicated 22!
that he understands this document.
Is that correct Mr. Velez?
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That's correct.
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Okay. At this time we'll turn the questioning over to Mr. Yuhas.
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Pete, the purpose of this reinterview is to clarify some facts and I
Si to go over in some detail the responsibilities that you've accepted relative i
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At first I'd like just to begin by I
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the onsite TLD reader was moved from the trailer, located outside the 101 pr tected area, offsite?
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and moved it over to the observation center.
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Yes.
It was Dennis Trout and an operator or a technician, I don't remember exactly who it was.
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Did you set the TLD reader up when you took it to the observation 21; i
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When you were over at the observation center in the first couple of 2
days, did you either log or did you tell anyone else to log the arrival of I
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them and from that point on that's basically all we did just try to find, gl you know, who was in charge, how many people they had and we'd tell them where we'd like them to muster in the morning, what times we'd like them to a,
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7 Did you write down the the source of the people and how many any-y3{
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It was written down, you know, on pieces of paper, you know, just so we'd have a rough idea of who we had, but it wasn't any, you know, log g
book or document of any type.
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ine problem we're having is we're trying to put together chronology of...of support that arrived, okay, we know that NSS was called the first
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21,l day and a couple techs arrived the first night and were assigned to offsite teams and we know that Pennsylvania Power and Light sent down some people and that Salem sent up some people and Oyster Creek sent up some people but i
23l the exact numbers, their qualifications, and who came, we have not been 241 able to pin down, is there anyone that you think we might be able to talk to who would have a good handle on that?
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the gentlemens name, he's still here but I think he worked down in EB I 3l think.
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This would be Bill Graber...
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Bill Graber.
That I know.
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I believe Graber didn't arrive until after the 30th.
10l 11l VELEZ: Well like I say it was about the third day and then finally setup ig an area where as they call...they got a little trailer and they called it y3 HP trailer and scmewhere in there the people were reporting to him and a 14 listing, I think, I'm not exactly sure was given to him a who, what and 15 where they came from, who was in charge and so that we would have some, some means of organization.
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YUHAS:
Do you routinely have about 15, O to 20 R pencils in the Unit I 18t chem HP area?
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Pocket dosimeters.
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Do you know what became of those during the incioent when ECS was evacuated?
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Again, I don't know if anybody used them, you know.
I wasn't there handing them out to actual people they were just picking them up.
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YUHAS: The purpose of the question is that we can find no one that used them based on, you know, the extensive interviews that we've done and yet they were calibrated they're people tell us they were there, but after evacuation ECS, no ones seem them since.
Have you seen any of them or...<
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I have one pocket dosimeter left, home.
It was a 0 to 5 or 0 to 2 I don't know.
I took it because of the fact they had a problem with the gentlemens name I do not know, he went into an area, his high range dosimeter read to much, his low range read another number so we ran a quick test on i
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This 'would procably be Telancos, pocket dosimeter, the I&C man who gj received 3.8 R..on the night of the 30th down on the 305' elevation when he g,]
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I'z...I'm sure someone will.
Let's start talking about training.
2j Could you describe what your responsit,ilities are with respect to the 3j health physics training? Who assigned them to you and hcw you execute 4
those responsibilities?
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6i Well training is basically...we were assigned just to try to keep the records up to date on what the personal traing whenever they have any, 8l which is few and far between, you know, that the records could be sent, you gg know, we can fill out these forms that have and send them to the training g,
department so they can get them on the computer, attempted to setup some type of training schedules and we do have a six week rotation with'ane suppose to be...was suppose to have been for training but never turned out that way to the manpower requirements and the lack of people, we also had to use them for something else, so train... training was basically just g
whenever we could get to it, we got to it.
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Tnen are your respont-iities ccafined soley to the documentation 17l of training that's provided?
191 VELEZ: Well as documentation and we would attempting to setup, like I said, a training schedule to try to get some training in but plant operations always over... took precidence over training.
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Oh a little over a year I think.
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e-requirements for training are?
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training we attempted to do was mostly initially on new equipment in Unit 2 13 stuff, the systems...not actually the system but the sample locations and around Unit 2.
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been setup, was in process but always was getting, you know, knocked back because of plant requirements.
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Are you aware that your Technical Specifications for Unit 2 require that you have the training and a retraining program that meets or exceeds your requirements of ANSI Standard 18.1, Section 55?
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I have never read the standard itself, I read a report based to that but actual!y I'm not that fully aware of it.
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Are you aware that your FSAR sets up minimum criteria for training i
2f of health physics technicians?
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It...well the only...what I'm going on is the one training procedure Si that we have that tell us require...the requirements in there, t
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I have before me Section...from Section 13, 13.2.1.5, Titled " Training gi Programs for Non-Licensed Personnel", this list specific items of training g
to be accomplished as a function of what the individuals job description is 101 for Rad Chem Techs under programs Items F, I and K are listed.
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Rad Chem Tech Training Program 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> per year.
Does such a program exist?
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interpretation of it again, this is, I don't know if ic means that, but I 16:
was instructed in that they should get approximately 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> worth of 17 training and things to do with HP and chemistry department.
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training? Is that suppose to be 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> of lecture classrocm?
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That was never given to me, it's...well I was under the impression
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Did anyone instruct you as the method of evaluation of the training 2l that his provided?
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Did anyone instruct you as to the amount of documentation that's 7j required of this training?
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security, site emergency plans and procedures, quality assurance, industrial health and safety, 8 hours9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> per year.
?re members of the hetith physics in 15, fa t given 8 hours9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> per year of general employee training as I have just described to you?
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partake in the fact that we have to go to the, you know, we send our people c.C,
to the..,to the program.
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Do you provide the instruction for the health physics part of 231 this...
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Do the health physics technicians participate? Are they 3r, 4l provided that...that part of the segment of the general employee training?
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they're f ven the test on the HP section because we feel that the scope i
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So in fact in the Rad Chem Techs do not sit through the portion of l
the general employee training titled Health Physics?
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Okay.
Reading again from the FSAR program description for Rad Chem Techs is item K.
K is stated as on the job training, okay, so the three recuirements that we see are segregated out as 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> of training a year of a Rad Chem Tech training program, 8 hours9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> a year of general employee and 21:
then on the job training. Now is...are you in a position to say whether or 22l not these...these commitments of the FSAR are being met across the board?
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General Employee Training has been cut to 4 hours4.62963e-5 days <br />0.00111 hours <br />6.613757e-6 weeks <br />1.522e-6 months <br /> instead of 8.
It use to 3l be a whole day program, now it got cut to 4 hours4.62963e-5 days <br />0.00111 hours <br />6.613757e-6 weeks <br />1.522e-6 months <br /> whether or not that's 41 been changed from the document you're reading from, I don't know, but I 5
know it's only down to 4 hours4.62963e-5 days <br />0.00111 hours <br />6.613757e-6 weeks <br />1.522e-6 months <br />.
The on-the-job training and that I did not Gi know of and I thought the 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> incorporated both and'so therefore based I
71 on what you read there and what we have been doing, that has not been met.
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Okay. The next thing I'd like to move on to is the training program g;
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Procedure No. 1690, " Training and Requirements".
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am reading, dated 3/22/78, based on the licensee's input this is the most up to date revision of the procedure.
At this point I'm handing the proce-dure to Mr. Velez for his inspection and the question I'd like to ask after j
you inspect the procedure is has any of the training as described in this procedure for health physics technician been carried out in the year since the program has been implemented?
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I would say possibility carried out but these forms have not been
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try section, we had had some people that went to a health physics course that we had, we brought in Ralph Jacobs from Rad Services who gave, I think it was a 6 week program on Health Physics, for some of our newer technicians 23{
and that section as the procedures wcicten, there's two sections that have 24l to be done once and the other one is just a requal program, I think it is i
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Okay.
I...in the presence of Mr. Mulleavy, I reviewed the folders
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any of the text relative to this procedure, is that correct?
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The next thing I would like to move on to is and I want to 13i preface my remarks by saying that is absolutely imperative that you be completely candid on this topic.
The topic is the method that you used to document trcining to the training department, in other words, do you put in an administra tive form for training?
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Yes.
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And what we are concerned about is we want to know exactly what motivation is there for you to generate the form, how do you insure 21.
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comes in or if we have a...a lectures of...one of the foreman are going to 3l give either in chemistry or in HP, you know, I tell them...I give them a 4;
blank form just so they can write down-the names of those personnel and...
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what they presented.
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the book at that time, then I just take that form and I send it to the 10l training department.
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person like initially last year, where we didn:t have classroom training 12 per say but a lot of the time that was spent, the people over in Unit 2 13j just doing the normal work in Unit 2 and learning what with, rooms...what room was where, what equipment was that.
Alot of that we considered on the job training. Well I personnally did, I filled the...it was a plant with a g
different layout than Unit l's knowing the locations of sample points, knowing the operation of the sampling equipment which is different from Unit 1, the location of the equipment in what cubicles just by going round and doing surveys it might be that just was learning what was wnere familiar-ization with the plant and a lot of times I use that as on the job training.
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Okay, so you essentially put the names of people down on the form 22l that you feel were provided the training?
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the lecture give me a list of names and I identi...just submitted that in, 3
if it was function with a technician with assigned to unit 2 for a period 4) of time doing, you know, the surveys, stuff like that then I would fillout 5l the form and send it in, cause normally they'd say well I had him over here Gj for two or three days, we...he did this, this and that and just doing what 7
I had been told by the foreman who he was working fee cause I was normally 8l assigned to Unit 1 and the other foreman was assigned to Unit 2.
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ment or not, do you fill out that portion of the form?
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and that's all I remember I put it on and they...the training department assigned it a number.
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training, training 1670.2 or something like that?
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For the health physics technicians when they attend a class gj do you audit that class to insure that the training as describe in the 6
procedure was in fact covered before you enter that on the...on the form?
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g; not given I get the names and everything from the foreman or whoever happened to give the training I don't feel that...I don't have to be at every Class gf or I'm not instructed to be at every class.
I was just more a records keeper.
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Okay.
I have some forms over here, lets talk about.
First one we'll just look at is Training Program Administrative Form, Unit 2 HP and Startup, location TMI and the... looks... appears to be entire HP Rad Chem staff technicians are listed on here and the forms indicated as on the job 17!
training, Unit 2 startup HP chemistry.
I'm going to show this to you and 18i ask you what information on that form did you fill out?
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Just about everything other then what's in the completion date and 21:
the catalogue number and the one correction to emoloyee number and the 22j comments on the bottom.
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instruction on both HP and Chemistry aspects in the Unit 2 startup.
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The word " good" is the evaluation of the instruction right?
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Well I personnally didn't give this instruction, now that I say I was, and I'm assigned to Unit 2, I was just been told that they were over doing the chemistry work, they were doing the proper HP work, the men were 40l picking up the...you could send them any place they can go to an area they know where to go, you know, like I say most of this was just on the job 21,.
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copy of your training record that was provided to us by the licensee and j
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One's that 7"'U.9 ACC Access Training G2 I don't what it stands for.
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probably been provided by Mr. Tom Landry and it's part of the...
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Oh, that part, that, that that...that I did have. And this report of defects and noncompliance, that I don't know exactly...except the actual training...I don't think that was if I remember correctly it was just 21,,
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Does that training record indicate that you received 40 hours4.62963e-4 days <br />0.0111 hours <br />6.613757e-5 weeks <br />1.522e-5 months <br /> of other than on the job training in health physics and chemistry in 1977 or 1978?
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Based 5l on, you know, what I've been told, there is no actual training program per Si say that I know of.
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outline and slash item cover section.
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Other than mayce the day tnat it happened that we filled it out, that's about it, I'm saying no question on, you know, about the form itself.
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Did...when did they address their concerns to you about the 6i fact that they had not received SAM II training?
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they had looked at their record and they saw that they didn't have...that they had them down for the SAM II training but he hadn't had it, you know, about that time...so I'll check and see what it was and go back to the form and go back to the book.
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The name shows up and he might have not been there, he might have done some doesn't show there.
I can' t say either way.
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At this time I'll show you another administrative training form, titled " Rad Monitor Team Training-TMI" and list four individuals names and on the bottom it says the training was provided under ccmment 1670.9, Rad Monitor Team Training.
Did you fill oct any portion of that form.
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It doesn't look like my handwriting.
None of it.
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I always recommended that if you did use a procedure to teach you write "as per procedure..." on that one section. Now this form doesn't have a back side of it and where they got that section on the bottom, I don't know.
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Okay, fine.
Can you briefly describe for me how RWP's completed, the completed form, or executed in the terms as a shift foreman for HP, how do you complete the RWP forms after the guys have gone and done their work.
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Sometimes they sign the yellow, you know, basic...but then we just ;taple them both together.
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Do you go after him, do you call him up and say come down and tell me, how do you do that.
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Okay, so the situation is that the man's completed the job, he didn't fill out the RWP promptly at the completion of the task.
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Can you be more specific.
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So that is in fact the source of data for a report that is required by the NRC, iider 10 CFR 20.
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I will assume that that's where they get the information from because every time we finish an RWP and we have them completed we send them up to get them keypunched.
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you can do about it, its, so many days have passed you can't estimate, you 8j know, the guy probably forgot how much he picked up anyway.
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Now you know these things have to go to keypunch.
11j Now - how did they go to keypunch, with nothing in there.
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They may nave gone with just zeros, with no numbers at all put in, they may, we may still have some sitting around that aren't :ompleted.
You probably could go over the unit lab rignt now and find some not completed.
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Let's talk about those ones with zeros.
How did the zeros get in there.
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They were probably not filled out and they went as is.
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Did you or other foremen in frustration after not being about to get people to follow the procedure, just go ahead and log zeros in so that you could process the completed form.
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No I didn't realize it at the time.
I felt, you know, the procedure, 7j it was sitting there doing nothing and I couldn't have nothing getting done.
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At this time we are going to turn the tape over.
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At this point I have a copy of RWP 20488 and the copies are of the white copy of the RWP and the yellow copy of the RWP.
The RWP was dated 12/11/78.
At this time I am going to show Mr. Velez the copy of the white copy of the RWP and ask him to identify any entries he may have cade on that RWP.
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Can you say that those are not yours in columns 15 and 16, the 71 zeros.
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No I said they might be mine.
I, you know, a zero is a zero, 10f numbers, letters, you know...I cculd tell my writing, they may be mine.
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only, oh approximately 10 to 12 mr per person for the same RWP.
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No.
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Can you explain the difference between the doses that are recorded on the yallow copy vice that is recorded on the white copy.
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properly and turning in RWPs that erronecus information is indicated on the 1 01 white copy just to clear it so that you don't get gigged and so that the computer input people have something to put in.
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Somebody could do it.
Again like I say that is a loaded c,uestion.
There is a possibility I may have I don't know.
Like I say these numbers may look like mine, it could be different circumstances like I said.
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nothing, I couldn't find the yellow copy, I may have put'rero down and
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That's something that happened amost a year and a half ago.
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5; filled out. What we are trying to do is estabiish the validity of reports 7j that are being sent to the NRC.
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11f are not going to get another one until you get the other one filled out.
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Can you give us some more general statement.
Is it infrequent that these things are filled out improperly.
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Thank you. Mr. D0naldson do you have any questions at this time.
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of Unit 2 and after every outage we always end up, you know, we're not out f an 15; utage till two months after everybody else is because we just, you know, trying to get our paper work back together, deconing equipment, getting rid of trash and deconing this place and deconing that place and there is a thing that everything backlogs and then you run for another week and a half, you know, a month and a half to two =nths just trying to get back to some sort of normalcy and after working six to eight, ten, twelve
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repaired, well the calibration we do the most time you have to repair them first and it's well my guys are busy with something else and it gets to a point where you just have to stop a job to try to, you know, you have to...I call it a crisis man, you have to create one crisis in order to get something completed.
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I can't go in on that job till I get some fixed'and then they will fix some for you, but I always thought you shouldn't have to go that far, but that's 19t the point we go a lot of times.
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Let me interject.
Did Met Ed in the form of either a letter signed 10t g
by Mr. Herbein or Mr. Lawyer shortly after the incident, indicate that all 12j records relating to the 'ncident be maintained.
Do you remember seeing ul that memo.
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I don't remember seeing anything on it.
I may have but like I say, the way, nobody sat us down just for...we know they're going to want to 17:
look at just about everything we got, try to keep chronological if you can, things you do or numbers, names, places, times and dates, you know, I personally did one myself, not maybe total information they may have wanted, just something I recollect myself but like I said it has since disappeared, c01 but a lot of other people I think may have done it and you may be able to I
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to Tech Spec on an annual basis of the HP department.
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The following 13 year y u have an ther audit, the same thing comes out again, they may change a couple of things but the major crux of the problems, you know, its always the same thing, you know.
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brought up, the same stuff we brought up the year before.
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Let's talk about other than the NUSR's that you are referring to The previous audits who were they performed by.
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One you are referring to is this the GPU or the NUS audit.
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And when would that have been done.
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Can I nail down the time a little more.
I want to read the audit.
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You said you liked the findings of Mr. Reppert's audit.
Did you personally read his audit findings.
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Hewe when he was here, we have to ;et somebody in nothing but TLD system.
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course that same person that does that also has to take care of all the keypunching, is also the secretary for Mr. Dubiel, also the secretary for Mr. Limroth and just one person I don't care how good the secretary she is 21, that's too much of a workload for one person and if she is not there then f
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can provide adequate health physics coverage in compliance with your tech-Sj nical specifications and the regulations of Part 19 and Part 20 at Unit 1 Sj right now.
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that we may need.
I Wruld say right now as it stands with most of my technicians in. Unit 1 or all of them except the one we have to send to chemistry I have better control of them and we have better knowledge of Unit 1 as per se, we have more people.
I would say we have a better handle on it, whether we can cover everything I really couldn't say.
Now because we're still in same stand when it comes to, you know, like I personally myself ran into a problem where I made a decision based caused I got called to Unit 2, based on what I felt was good HP practice to keep a door closed because I knew they were going to do something the previous day that they caused a release and I personally ho discussed that thing with five or six different people as to why I did it.
I had to call...they wanted me to call everybody and their grandmother, basically to tell them wnat I did.
I said hey I didn't have the time or whether I aad the time or not I didn't feel it was necessary.
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Okay, I have no further questions.
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