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LaSalle County Station Draft Supplemental EIS Docket Number: (n/a)

Location: Ottawa, Illinois Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 Work Order No.: NRC-2254 Pages 1-39 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.

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1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3 + + + + +

4 LaSALLE COUNTY STATION 5 DRAFT SUPPLEMENTAL EIS (DSEIS) 6 PUBLIC MEETING 7 + + + + +

8 TUESDAY 9 MARCH 22, 2016 10 + + + + +

11 12 13 14 The Public Meeting was convened at the 15 LaSalle County Emergency Management Agency, Emergency 16 Operations Center, 711 East Etna Road, Ottawa, 17 Illinois at 7:00 p.m., David Drucker, Facilitator, 18 presiding.

19 20 PRESENT:

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2 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MR. DRUCKER: Good evening. Thanks for 3 coming out tonight. Im David Drucker with the U.S.

4 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and Im --

5 THE OPERATOR: Mr. Drucker, I have to join 6 you to the main conference. Im sorry. One moment.

7 MR. DRUCKER: Sure.

8 THE OPERATOR: Welcome, and thank you for 9 standing by. At this time, all participants are on 10 listening mode. During our Q&A session, you may press 11 *1 on your touch tone phone if you would like to ask 12 a question. Todays conference is being recorded. If 13 you have any objections, you may disconnect at this 14 time. Now Id like to turn the meeting over to Mr.

15 David Drucker, so you may begin.

16 MR. DRUCKER: Thank you, India. This is 17 David Drucker. Im work for Nuclear Regulatory 18 Commission. Im the project manager for the 19 environmental review of the LaSalle County Station 20 license renewal application. Hereafter, I will refer 21 to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as the NRC.

22 There are two primary purposes for this 23 meeting. The first purpose is to discuss the contents 24 of this document that Im holding up, the draft 25 supplemental environmental impact statement for NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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3 1 license renewal of LaSalle County Station. Hereafter, 2 I will refer to this document as the draft SEIS. SEIS 3 stands for Supplemental Environmental Impact 4 Statement.

5 The second purpose of this meeting is to 6 obtain comments on the draft SEIS. This meeting is 7 available by teleconference and, India, I just want to 8 make sure. Can you ask the folks on the line, or 9 actually, folks on the line, can you hear me? Because 10 Im speaking at a distance from the speakerphone.

11 THE OPERATOR: Everyone, your lines are 12 now open, and you can respond.

13 MR. MAHERAS: David, this is Steve 14 Maheras, and I can hear you just fine.

15 MR. DRUCKER: Okay. Good, if one person 16 can hear me, the rest of you all can hear me.

17 Before going further, I want to introduce NRC staff 18 here tonight. Stu Sheldon is an NRC Region III 19 license renewal inspector, and Robert Ruiz is the 20 senior resident at the plant.

21 Id also like to point out that on the 22 phone we have or will have a few NRC staff folks. My 23 supervisor, Jim Danna is the chief of the 24 environmental review and project management branch.

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4 1 resources.

2 Kevin Folk is the technical reviewer for 3 service water resources. Bill Ford is the technical 4 reviewer for ground water. And you hear earlier Steve 5 Maharris is the consultant from Pacific Northwest 6 Laboratories for the high burn-up fuel section.

7 Next, Id like to cover a few details 8 about this meeting. Exelon applied to the NRC to 9 renew the operating licenses for LaSalle County 10 Station units one and two for an additional 20 years.

11 The NRC is reviewing that application, and will use 12 the results of that review to decide whether to renew 13 the licenses.

14 Tonight I will tell you the preliminary 15 results of the environmental review. These results 16 are documented in the draft SEIS. And I will also ask 17 for your comments on the draft SEIS. The meeting 18 tonight will, essentially, have four parts. The 19 introduction is the part that were doing now.

20 In the second part I will discuss the 21 review process and the preliminary findings of the 22 review. Copies of this presentation are on the table 23 by the door and Stu Sheldon, it looks like he 24 handed out copies to everyone here.

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5 1 ask questions about the material presented, and I will 2 answer those questions. And finally, the NRC staff 3 will listen to your comments about the draft SEIS.

4 Note that the NRC will listen during this time. We 5 generally wont respond to what youre saying here in 6 the meeting. Instead, we will prepare written 7 responses to your comments that will be published as 8 a part of the final SEIS.

9 Please note that this meeting is being 10 recorded,; a transcribers sitting right up here in 11 front. And hes doing that to produce a written 12 record of whats said at this meeting. In order for 13 the transcript to be accurate, please comply with the 14 following.

15 First, please silence your phones and any 16 other personal electronics you have with you. If you 17 must accept a call during this meeting, please step 18 outside into the lobby so the other meeting 19 participants can hear the proceedings and so your 20 phone ringing, nor your conversation is recorded.

21 When you speak, please use a microphone.

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6 1 you represent. Also, if you have an uncommon name or 2 if your name has an unusual spelling, please spell 3 your name. And to ensure the recording is clear, 4 please dont hold side conversations, and do not 5 interrupt the speaker. Thank you.

6 When you signed in tonight, you may have 7 noted yellow cards, like the one Im holding up, on 8 the table. Several of you have already filled them 9 out, and thats to be a speaker. So if you want to 10 speak, let me know. Ill bring a card around to 11 you, and you can fill that out now.

12 When we get to the public comment portion 13 of this evening, I will give each public commenter 14 three minutes to speak. And then, after everyones 15 had a chance to speak, we can, if you havent finished 16 your comments, you can certainly have more time. So 17 far I only have four folks who are signed up to speak.

18 19 Also on the table outside is a stack of 20 public meeting feedback forms. Please fill one out 21 and provide it to me or leave it on the table, or you 22 can drop it in the mail; its postage free. Your 23 assessment of this meeting tonight will help 24 improve future meetings.

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7 1 restrooms are out the hallway to the left. Emergency 2 exit is out the hallway to the right. And security is 3 located at the LaSalle County Sheriffs Office. Its 4 just across the parking lot, if we should need 5 security.

6 Okay, do you have any questions on this 7 brief introduction before I go any further, and start 8 discussing the environmental review? No - ok 9 then.

10 Im going to start discussing the 11 environmental review and preliminary results from the 12 draft SEIS. First, I would like to emphasize that the 13 environmental review is not yet complete. I hope the 14 information provided in this presentation will help 15 you understand what weve done so far, and the role 16 you can play in helping to make sure that the final 17 environmental impact statement is accurate and 18 complete.

19 Id like to start off by briefly going 20 over the agenda for this portion of my speech. First 21 of all, Ill comment on the NRCs regulatory role, 22 then Ill provide the preliminary findings of our 23 environmental review, and then I will present the 24 current schedule for the remainder of the 25 environmental review, and tell you how you can submit NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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8 1 comments outside of this meeting.

2 At the end of the presentation, there will 3 be time for questions and answers on the comments of 4 my briefing and, most importantly, time for you to 5 present your comments on the draft SEIS.

6 The NRC was established to regulate 7 civilian use of nuclear materials, including 8 facilities producing electric power. The NRC conducts 9 license renewal reviews for plants whose owners wish 10 to operate them beyond their initial license period.

11 12 NRC license renewal reviews address safety 13 issues related to managing the affects of aging and 14 environmental issues related to an additional 20 years 15 of operation. In all aspects of the NRC regulation, 16 our mission is three-fold. To ensure adequate 17 protection of the public health and safety, to promote 18 common defense and security, and to protect the 19 environment.

20 Our environmental review looks at the 21 potential site-specific impacts of license renewal of 22 the LaSalle County Stations Units 1 and 2. A 23 generic environmental impact statement, or GEIS, 24 examines the possible environmental impacts that could 25 occur as a result of renewing licenses of individual NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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9 1 nuclear power plants.

2 The GEIS describes the 3 significance of these potential impacts. The analysis 4 in the GEIS pertains to operating power reactors. For 5 each type or environmental impact, the GEIS 6 establishes generic findings, covering as many plants 7 as possible.

8 For some environmental issues, the GEIS 9 found that a generic evaluation was not sufficient, 10 and that a plant-specific analysis was required. The 11 2013 revision to the GEIS is sitting here on the 12 table; these three volumes. The GEIS was originally 13 done in 1996. It contains more information than 14 these three volumes, and there was an addendum in 15 1999.

16 This gives you an idea of the effort 17 that went in to looking at nuclear power plants 18 across the country, and determining which 19 impacts, environmental impacts, were generic, and 20 which require site-specific analysis.

21 The site-specific findings for the LaSalle 22 County Station are contained in the draft SEIS 23 published in February, 2016. This document contains 24 analyses of all possible site-specific issues, as well 25 as a review of issues covered by the GEIS, to NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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10 1 determine whether the conclusions in the GEIS are valid 2 for LaSalle County Station.

3 In this process, the NRC staff also 4 reviews environmental impacts of potential power 5 generation alternatives to license renewal.

6 Finally, I want to mention that on 7 March 10th of last year, March 10th of last year, 8 I was here conducting the environmental scoping 9 meetings. During those meetings and the scoping 10 period, the NRC collected comments that informed 11 the scope of the environmental review. Those 12 comments, and the NRC responses to those comments, 13 are found in the scoping summary report.

14 Hard copies and CDs of the scoping summary 15 report are available on the table by the door. And 16 also, that same CD that has the scoping summary report 17 contains a copy of the draft SEIS. Please feel free 18 to take a copy of the CD.

19 For each environmental issue identified an 20 impact level is assigned. The NRCs standard of 21 significance for impacts was established using the 22 White House counsel on environmental quality 23 terminology for significant. The NRC established 24 three levels of significance for potential impacts, 25 small, moderate and large, as defined on the slide.

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11 1 For a small impact, the effects are not 2 detectible or are so minor that they will neither 3 destabilize nor noticeable alter any important 4 attribute of the resource. For a moderate impact, the 5 effects are sufficient to alter noticeably, but not 6 destabilize important attributes of the resource. And 7 for a large impact, the effects are clearly noticeable 8 and are sufficient to destabilize important 9 attributes of the resource.

10 While these impact level designations are 11 used for most of the resource areas that we looked at 12 in the draft SEIS, there are three areas that have 13 their own impact level designations. And these are 14 discussed on the next slide.

15 So for special status species, the impact 16 significance determination language comes from the 17 Endangered Species Act. And choices to describe the 18 impacts are no effect, may affect but not likely to 19 adversely affect, and may affect and is likely to 20 adversely affect.

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12 1 are responsible for identifying and addressing 2 disproportionately high and adverse human health and 3 environmental impacts on minority and low-income 4 populations.

5 This slide lists the issues the NRC 6 reviewed for the continued operation of the LaSalle 7 County Station during the proposed license renewal 8 period. So in this one slide, this is basically a 9 very quick summary of what you would find in that 10 larger document, the draft SEIS.

11 For all issues, except aquatic resources, 12 the impacts of license renewal were found to be small, 13 which means the effects are not detectible, or are so 14 minor that they will neither destabilize nor 15 noticeably alter any important attribute of the 16 resource.

17 Thermal impacts would be small for aquatic 18 resources in the Illinois River, and small for aquatic 19 resources in the cooling pond, except for gizzard and 20 threadfin shad. Gizzard and threadfin shad would 21 experience moderate thermal impacts in the cooling 22 pond.

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13 1 foreseeable future human actions, other than LaSalle 2 County Station. The effects not only included 3 operation of LaSalle County Station, but also impacts 4 unrelated to LaSalle, such as future urbanization, 5 other energy producing facilities in the area and 6 climate change.

7 The analysis considers potential impacts 8 through the end of the current license term, as well 9 as the 20-year license renewal term. The NRC staff 10 determined that most cumulative impacts would be 11 small, and the analysis is provided in section 4.16 of 12 the draft SEIS.

13 The National Environmental Policy Act 14 mandates that each environmental impact statement 15 consider alternatives to any proposed major Federal 16 action. A major step for determining whether license 17 renewal is reasonable or not is comparing the likely 18 impacts of continued operation of a nuclear plant with 19 the likely impacts of alternatives means of power 20 generation.

21 Alternatives must provide an option that 22 allows for power generation capability beyond the term 23 of the current nuclear power plant operating license 24 to meet future system generation needs. In the draft 25 SEIS, NRC staff initially considered 17 different NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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14 1 alternatives, and then we narrowed those 17 down to 2 five, and looked at those five in detail.

3 Additionally, the NRC staff considered 4 what would happen if no action is taken and LaSalle 5 shuts down at the end of its current licenses without 6 a specific replacement alternative. This alternative 7 would not provide power generation capacity nor would 8 it meet the needs currently met by LaSalle.

9 The NRCs preliminary conclusion is that 10 the environmental impacts of renewal of the operating 11 licenses for LaSalle would be smaller than those 12 feasible and commercially viable alternatives.

13 Continued operation would have smaller environmental 14 impacts in almost all areas. The staff concluded that 15 continued operation of the existing LaSalle County 16 Station is the environmentally preferred alternative.

17 18 Based on review of likely environmental 19 impacts from license renewal, as well as potential 20 environmental impacts of alternatives to license 21 renewal, the NRC staffs preliminary recommendation in 22 the draft SEIS is that the adverse environmental 23 impacts of license renewal for LaSalle County Station 24 are not great enough to deny the option of license 25 renewal for energy planning decision makers. And that NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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15 1 preliminary conclusion shows up several places in the 2 draft SEIS, but chapter five is the conclusion 3 chapter.

4 I would like to re-emphasize that the 5 environmental review is not yet complete. Your 6 comments tonight, and all written comments received by 7 the end of the comment period on April 4th, will be 8 considered by the NRC staff as we develop the final 9 SEIS, which we currently plan to issue in August of 10 2016.

11 Those comments that are within the scope 12 of the environmental review and provide new and 13 significant information can help change the staffs 14 findings. The final SEIS will contain the staffs 15 final recommendation on the acceptability of license 16 renewal based on the work weve already performed and 17 any new and significant information we receive in the 18 form of comments during the comment period. I just 19 want to emphasize that the comment period closes on 20 April 4th, the second to the last line here on this 21 slide.

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16 1 you tonight, our contact information. Copies of the 2 draft SEIS are available on CD on the table near the 3 door. In addition, the library shown on this slide 4 has a copy available, current copy available for 5 review.

6 You can also find electronic copies of the 7 draft SEIS, along with other information about the 8 LaSalle County Station license renewal review online 9 at the website shown. And finally, additional 10 information can also be obtained by contacting the 11 representatives of NRCs Region III office of public 12 affairs, as shown on the slide.

13 NRC staff will address written comments in 14 the same way we address spoken comments received 15 today. You can submit written comments either online 16 or via conventional manner. To submit written 17 comments online, visit the website regulations.gov and 18 search for docket ID NRC-2014-0268. If you have 19 written comments today, you may give them to me or any 20 other member of the NRC staff.

21 Please note that if you provide verbal 22 comments tonight, you dont need to submit them in 23 writing since your verbal comments are part of the 24 transcribed record, and they will be responded to. So 25 this concludes my formal presentation.

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17 1 So now we enter the question and answer 2 portion of our meeting. This portion is distinct 3 from the comment portion. I will now answer 4 questions specific to the material that I presented 5 here tonight. I'd like to begin with questions 6 those on the phone. Operator?

7 THE OPERATOR: Yes.

8 MR. DRUCKER: If theres anyone on the 9 phone that has questions about the material I 10 presented, can you please go ahead and let them ask 11 their questions one at a time, and Ill do my best to 12 answer them.

13 THE OPERATOR: Certainly. If you would 14 like to as a question on the phone line, please press 15 *1 and record your name when prompted. Please make 16 sure your phone is not muted when you record your 17 name. Once again, thats *1 and record your name.

18 One moment for our first question. And no questions 19 have come in.

20 MR. DRUCKER: Okay Operator, thank you.

21 Most of the folks here in the room have been a part of 22 the license renewal process. Theyre familiar with 23 the scoping process we did last year. But I just want 24 to emphasize, for anyone whos listening, that you 25 know, this is not a hearing. This is a public NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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18 1 meeting.

2 And the goal of this meeting is two-way 3 communication; for me to provide information about the 4 environmental impact statement that weve been working 5 on and have developed, and then to receive comment on 6 that document. So I am looking for questions on the 7 material I presented.

8 With that, Im going to go to questions.

9 Does anyone have any questions about the material I 10 presented here in the room? If there are no 11 questions, I just want to --

12 MS. SNYDER: I have a question.

13 MR. DRUCKER: Gail, go ahead.

14 MS. SNYDER: My first question is you said 15 this is a public meeting. Theres not really many 16 members of the public here, so Im just wondering what 17 does the NRC do to promote this? I find it hard to 18 believe in an area where theres thousands of people 19 who could be impacted by this decision that nobodys 20 shown up, no elected officials, unless theres 21 something here I dont know about. Im just 22 wondering, you know, why theres such a poor turnout.

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19 1 this public. This meeting is advertised through many 2 means. The first place that its advertised is we put 3 out a Federal Register notice, the NRC does, 4 announcing the meeting.

5 And then the Environmental Protection 6 Agency, it publishes a Federal Register notice 7 that announces the release of the draft SEIS, and 8 then how to contact me if youre interested in 9 learning more about that. So theres two Federal 10 Register notices that go out.

11 The Nuclear Regulatory Commissions 12 website also has actually several places where we talk 13 about the meeting. We have a public meeting web page 14 that speaks to all the meetings that we have. We have 15 a license renewal web page that talks about this 16 meeting. Theres also the regular LaSalle operating 17 license web page, which also points to my license 18 renewal web page. So theres those web pages.

19 We also have advertisements in local 20 newspapers. I can get those for you if youre 21 interested. But we did advertise in the local 22 newspapers, announcing this meeting. I also reached 23 out to everyone who attended the scoping meetings last 24 year through e-mail and or letter.

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20 1 draft SEIS, along with a copy of the Federal Register 2 notice, which provided the information on when and 3 where this meeting would be held. Either hard copy, 4 or I provided them a CD of the draft SEIS.

5 Off the top of my head, I actually used to 6 carry a list of all different ways that we advertised 7 the meetings; off the top of my head, thats how we do 8 it. There were e-mails, too. For example, e-mail 9 reminders I sent out to the EPA via Region V folks so 10 they may be on the phone tonight.

11 So those are the basic ways. If I missed 12 anything, and my boss is listening feel free to chime 13 in, Jim, and let me know what I missed. But those are 14 the major ways. Oh, another way; the fliers. I 15 asked the resident inspector to post fliers locally 16 around.

17 Good question and, yeah, sometimes we get 18 a big turnout at these meetings, and sometimes we 19 dont. Personally, I was at one down in Mississippi, 20 Grand Gulf. There were a few flakes of snow, and the 21 Governor basically told everyone to stay in. And I 22 flew own with my boss at the time, and we had no 23 trouble. There was no snow on the roads; didnt 24 understand what the problem was. But it was a local 25 thing.

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21 1 I was paying attention to the news this 2 morning, and I heard the terrible, terrible news of 3 what was going on in Belgium, but I doubt that that 4 somehow would impact people showing up here. I did 5 read the local paper to see there were a couple other 6 meetings.

7 There was a board of education meeting in 8 one of the schools, but I didnt think it would impact 9 attendance at this meeting. And I did work with the 10 folks at the plant, and I worked with our resident 11 inspector trying to pick a night that wasnt busy with 12 other activities. I do believe we have at least one 13 elected official here with us tonight. Mr. Walsh?

14 MR. WALSH: Yes, Im a member of the 15 LaSalle County board.

16 MR. DRUCKER: OK, thanks.

17 MR. WALSH: Chair of legislative 18 rules.

19 MR. DRUCKER: Great.

20 MR. WALSH: County board member. MR.

21 DRUCKER: Good question. Any other 22 questions from folks in the room?

23 MS. SNYDER: I have more questions.

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22 1 titled environmental review of LaSalle County Station 2 has the resources areas and the impacts listed. On 3 the bottom it says waste management, and the impact is 4 small. And Im just wondering can you define what 5 waste management is in this?

6 MR. DRUCKER: Yes, thats a great 7 question. The answer to your question is contained 8 in the draft SEIS that we are discussing this 9 evening. And theres a section on waste 10 management. That section is located in Chapter 4.

11 Bear with me just for a moment, and I will flip to 12 it. Its section 4. --

13 MS. SNYDER: Does it refer to nuclear 14 waste, or is it waste from the plant, other than?

15 MR. DRUCKER: Section 4.13 of the draft 16 SEIS discusses, the spent fuel produced by the 17 plant, both onsite storage and offsite radiological 18 impacts. This section also discusses low level 19 waste storage and disposal, mixed waste storage, and 20 non-radioactive waste storage. So this is the 21 section that does cover the spent nuclear fuel.

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23 1 is at the plant is talked about in Section 4.13.

2 MS. SNYDER: And when you say the impact 3 is small, do you mean that its small in comparison to 4 whats already there, or that 20 years of additional 5 waste will have a small impact?

6 MR. DRUCKER: Yeah, this is, this section 7 is talking to 20 years of additional operation.

8 MS. SNYDER: The small impact.

9 MR. DRUCKER: Yes.

10 MS. SNYDER: I have another question.

11 MR. DRUCKER: Please.

12 MS. SNYDER: I dont want to hog the 13 questions. Slide number 12, alternatives; and youre 14 talking about citing alternatives and the criteria 15 required to replace the energy. If you nuclear plant 16 had shut down, you said something about what would 17 happen if the nuclear plant shut down, and you found 18 that there wouldnt be an alternative power source 19 that would replace that power.

20 And I was just wondering if you had, or 21 the committee had, whoever drafted this, whatever 22 group drafted it had looked at the report from the 23 State of Illinois? There were a number of agencies; 24 there was a bill, HR, a resolution, HR1146, which was 25 looking at nuclear power in the state.

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24 1 And state agencies drafted a report, and 2 they came out with the opposite finding of what youre 3 saying. So maybe we will e-mail that report to you.

4 I think that would be informative to what their 5 position is, is not the same as your conclusion.

6 MR. DRUCKER: OK, thank you.

7 MS. SNYDER: And thats a state study by 8 state agencies.

9 MR. DRUCKER: All right. I appreciate 10 that very much. Thanks, Gail. Okay, if there are no 11 other questions, then were going to move right along 12 to the comment portion of tonights meeting. And as 13 I stated at the beginning, primarily the NRC staff 14 will be listening, and we will respond to any comments 15 in written form in the final SEIS.

16 So let me go to the operator. India, is 17 there anyone on the phone that wants to provide a 18 comment?

19 THE OPERATOR: If you do have comments, 20 please press *1 and record your name when prompted.

21 Once again, thats *1 -- and no comments have come in 22 over the phone.

23 MR. DRUCKER: Thank you. Thank you, very 24 much.

25 THE OPERATOR: Youre welcome.

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25 1 MR. DRUCKER: Okay, I have yellow cards 2 from three, from four folks. Ill shuffle them and 3 pull them out randomly. I hope it does not 4 matter to any of you. I would appreciate, would the 5 speakers come up to the front here, and you can use 6 this microphone. Gail, are you available first?

7 MS. SNYDER: Sure.

8 MR. DRUCKER: And the next speaker will be 9 Doug OBrien, so Doug if you want to prepare yourself 10 and move up to the front to save some time. In fact, 11 theres only four of you. Itll be Gail, Doug, Steve 12 and Tom.

13 MS. SNYDER: I dont know if this makes 14 your life easier.

15 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Oh great, thank you.

16 MS. SNYDER: Good evening. My name is 17 Gail Snyder, and Im here representing Nuclear Energy 18 Information Service. I serve as the president of the 19 board. Our comments tonight are really directed, 20 maybe, not specifically at environmental issues, but 21 the licensing renewal.

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26 1 evaluation report documents a significant tax impact 2 for the presence of the LaSalle County Station, yet 3 only addresses the positive impacts.

4 No mention or analysis of negative impacts 5 resulting from a abrupt planned or unexpected early 6 closure of LaSalle is presented. This is a 7 significant omission, particularly in light of Exelon 8 Corporations threat of two years ago to close 9 reactors in Illinois on economic grounds.

10 According to the Exelon SER, LaSalle 11 represents a sizeable portion of the county total tax 12 base. It also accounts for large portions of the 13 school districts adjusted property tax levy. These 14 are not insignificant amounts. Their abrupt 15 disappearance would wreak economic havoc on the 16 affected governmental and essential service entities 17 ability to operate, just as Exelons predecessor, 18 ComEd, did to the community of Zion in 1997, when they 19 unilaterally closed the Zion reactors.

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27 1 economic or other grounds, as it did in Zion, 2 resulting in an immediate loss of about 55 percent of 3 Zions tax base.

4 Devaluation through sale has occurred at 5 the Clinton Station, resulting in enormous loss of the 6 tax base, eventual old age, license expiration 7 closure, which is the outcome of -- and I would add, 8 in light of whats happening in Brussels today, and 9 the fact that theyve shut down their nuclear reactors 10 and cant provide security, terrorism is also a 11 possible way that a nuclear reactor could shut down 12 unexpectedly.

13 Exelons being a business will certainly 14 make the calculations it made when it closed Zion and 15 decided that LaSalle should continue to operate. In 16 this omission, the SER makes the same mistake the U.S.

17 Government made when it invaded Iraq. No exit 18 strategy. To simply assume that the only 19 socioeconomic effects of LaSalles presence will be 20 positive ones is simply irrational.

21 Our recommendation: Planning for some 22 kind of eventual closure must be made long before it 23 happens to minimize economic and service disruptions 24 to the entities whose tax bases will be affected.

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28 1 reminder of this fact, and an opportunity to take 2 action.

3 We recommend that dependent government and 4 tax entities begin formal negotiations with Exelon to 5 establish an escrow of mitigation funds based on some 6 mutually agreeable assessment and payment structure so 7 that dependent entities will have some kind of 8 temporary funds available to soften the economic blow 9 or closure and not radically disrupt essential 10 services.

11 Our second comment, which is shorter, is 12 the inadequate attention paid to water availability at 13 the LaSalle Nuclear Power Plant under potential future 14 climate disruption conditions. Historically, LaSalle 15 Nuclear Power Plant has been one of the Illinois 16 reactor sites most sensitive to water availability 17 under severe drought conditions; for example, 1998, 18 2005, 2006.

19 Its siting on a portion of the Illinois 20 River network that is shallower than other parts has 21 brought the reactors close to mandatory shutdowns to 22 stay within EPA regulatory limits for thermal 23 pollution during extreme droughts on more than one 24 occasion over the past two decades.

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29 1 climate over the next few decades indicate it 2 approaching that of current day west Texas. This will 3 have severe impacts on the aquatic system in the area, 4 and on the availability of water for intake and 5 discharge at LaSalle.

6 A more thorough re-examination of 7 LaSalles ability to safely operate, obtain sufficient 8 cooling water, and not thermally and radiologically 9 damage the local aquatic ecosystem is in order in this 10 re-licensing proceeding. Thank you.

11 MR. DRUCKER: The next speaker is Doug 12 OBrien from the Illinois Clean Energy Coalition.

13 MR. OBRIEN: Thank you. My name is Doug 14 OBrien. Im with the Illinois Clean Energy 15 Coalition, and this is another one in a long number of 16 these hearings or events that Ive been to, talking 17 about a lot of the positive impacts that Illinoiss 18 nuclear generating stations have had on the economy.

19 20 Its ironic that Im following somebody 21 who came up and posited these impacts, these 22 beneficial impacts and somehow turned them into a 23 negative. And I think that its also a little bit 24 insulting to the intelligence of local officials here 25 and around Illinois to assume that they dont have the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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30 1 sense to plan for the future. And I know that many 2 local governments do just that. They do it 3 vigilantly, and they do it effectively.

4 But I wanted to talk a little bit about 5 the environmental impacts, the positive environmental 6 impacts of the plant. As the initial NRC reports 7 shows, the overall impacts when it comes to energy 8 generation are positive. That the alternative sources 9 for energy generation in Illinois would create more 10 negative impacts environmentally, particularly in the 11 area of CO2 emissions, as its critically important 12 that we always consider the beneficial impact of 13 Illinoiss nuclear fleet on CO2 emissions here in 14 Illinois.

15 The Illinois Clean Energy Coalitions 16 study in 2014 showed that Illinoiss nuclear fleet 17 prevents the emission of over 92 million tons of CO2 18 annually. Now this is a significant contributor to 19 global climate change, and something that we can do in 20 preserving and protecting our nuclear fleet that will 21 have a real, immediate, ongoing positive impact on our 22 environment.

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31 1 with other clean sources. And a nuclear plant like 2 LaSalle would require, for example, thousands of new 3 wind turbines to replace its electricity generation.

4 5 And we still cant rely on wind 24/7, nor 6 on solar 24/7. And the process of siting these wind 7 farms, the capital and the permitting that is needed 8 to begin operating them is daunting. So losing any of 9 Illinoiss nuclear plants would leave us with no 10 short-term alternative but to increase our use of 11 fossil fuels and move us in the wrong direction.

12 Additionally, I think its important to 13 note that its vital for the NRC and our national 14 government to continue to push forward with practical 15 waste storage solutions that will allow for the 16 continued safe and secure storage of spent fuel, while 17 we wait for the Federal government to put aside 18 politics and live up to the commitment it made years 19 ago to establish a nationwide solution for spent fuel 20 storage.

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32 1 permanent solution promised by our government.

2 So I think, in conclusion, the Illinois 3 Clean Energy Coalition applauds the NRC and its 4 findings. We believe that its accurate in showing 5 the LaSalle Station, like other stations across the 6 state, has a positive impact on the environment moving 7 forward here in Illinois. Thank you.

8 MR. DRUCKER: Steve Buck is next.

9 MR. BUCK: Good evening. Im Steve Buck.

10 Im an engineer at LaSalle Station. I just recently 11 started back in August. I am a resident of Ottawa, 12 Illinois, and Im a former Eagle Scout, originally 13 from Crystal Lake, Illinois. So environmental 14 stewardship is something that is very much a part of 15 my character. Its something that I developed early 16 on in my youth, and I still continue it to this day as 17 an adult.

18 Id like to share a couple key points of 19 how LaSalle Station is trying to be an environmental 20 steward itself through our activities to help conserve 21 the environment and leave the environment at least in 22 the best, the same condition, if not better condition 23 than we came in.

24 We had recently installed, last year, a 25 couple of charging stations for electrical vehicles.

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33 1 So theres four charging ports available, which saved 2 about 1,300 pounds of greenhouse gas emissions for any 3 of our workers who chose to use their electric 4 vehicles instead of a carbon-producing combustion 5 engine vehicle.

6 We have an annual station earth day 7 activity every year. Some of those include electronic 8 waste recycling programs where we collect electronic 9 waste. And we typically give out green gifts to those 10 who participate to bring in their electronics for 11 recycling as a thank you for looking out for that so 12 that we dont throw electronics just simply into 13 landfills.

14 Theres been a big push for LED lighting 15 upgrades, both inside the plant and outside, most 16 noticeably in the parking lot. The LED lights were 17 replaced. They should last about seven to 10 years 18 out in the conditions outside in the parking lot.

19 And were noticing that theres reduced electricity 20 usage for those, longer life span, and weve been 21 doing studies at other places inside the plant where 22 we can utilize LED lighting.

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34 1 many projects around the site, such as bat boxes, Uber 2 boxes, and activities with the fish hatchery in the 3 lake.

4 Our North American Young Generation 5 Nuclear, its a youth group primarily of those who are 6 new to the nuclear industry, which I am a site 7 director at LaSalle Station; we have an 8 adopt-a-highway program for about a two-mile stretch 9 near the facility. And during the summer months, the 10 warmer months, we do a highway clean-up where we go 11 both sides of the highway, and just pick up any trash, 12 litter that might be on the side of the road.

13 We have a Gabby Green educational program 14 that goes out to our elementary schools. We discuss 15 energy conservation, resource conservation. We talk 16 about limited use of our water in certain situations, 17 turning the lights off when we go to the rooms. Some 18 very simple concepts for young children to understand 19 so that they can be environmental conscious starting 20 at a young age.

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35 1 practices, some of their merit badges and their rank 2 advancements and helping them live up to that 3 environmental stewardship themselves.

4 We also are firm supporters of the Who 5 Haven, which is wildlife rehabilitation center, 6 primarily for birds of prey, where we collect food for 7 those animals and also participate in bird releases, 8 releasing them back into the environment.

9 MR. DRUCKER: Thanks. The final speaker 10 from the cards, wheres Tom, Tom Jackson?

11 MR. JACKSON: Good evening. My names Tom 12 Jackson. Im site superintendent at Illini State 13 Park, Marseilles fish and wildlife area in LaSalle.

14 I work for the Department of Natural Resources, and 15 the IDNR currently has a lease through 2025 with 16 Exelon to manage the wildlife area and the fishing 17 opportunities.

18 LaSalle Lake is a fish and wildlife area, 19 along with a public fishing area. Were open to the 20 public from March 15th to October 15th every year for 21 fishing, providing many varieties of fish species, 22 including hybrid striped bass, large and small mouth 23 bass, crappie, blue gill and catfish.

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36 1 public, and provides a wildlife area for waterfowl 2 migrating through the area. IDNR works closely with 3 Exelon to provide a great recreational opportunity to 4 local resident and visitors from throughout the state 5 and even surrounding states.

6 LaSalle Lake provides good wildlife 7 habitat for the waterfowl, as mentioned before, and 8 provides good fishing and outdoor recreation for the 9 community. It also provides good economic benefits, 10 visitors to the area.

11 In my time as site superintendent, Exelon 12 management has made themselves available and 13 supportive in our efforts to provide site visitors 14 with access to the lake, and a rewarding experience 15 while visiting the site. I thank you for the 16 opportunity to speak on behalf of LaSalle Lake fish 17 and wildlife area and the Department of Nature 18 Resources.

19 MR. DRUCKER: Okay, if theres no one else 20 here or on the phone who has comments, and there 21 doesnt appear to be, I want to thank everyone who 22 provided --

23 MS. BOUDART: I have a comment.

24 MR. DRUCKER: Oh.

25 MS. BOUDART: May I make a comment?

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37 1 MR. DRUCKER: Absolutely.

2 MS. BOUDART: Okay.

3 MR. DRUCKER: Is it easier for me to bring 4 you the microphone there?

5 MS. BOUDART: Well, if you can so I think 6 I can speak loud enough. The person who spoke first, 7 who are you? Either the purple shirt or the white 8 striped shirt. Anyway, let me see --

9 MR. DRUCKER: Can you tell us your name.

10 MS. BOUDART: Oh yeah, my name is Jan 11 Boudart, and Im with the Nuclear Energy Information 12 Service, and somebody, I guess I didnt get, yeah, I 13 asked, Doug OBrien, the Clean Energy Coalition. Is 14 that you?

15 Well, I was very interested in the fact 16 that you said that until our government keeps its 17 promise to take care of the high level nuclear waste, 18 its being handled very efficiently and not being 19 allowed to harm anyone. And, in fact, your statement 20 was never having produced any impact from the high 21 level nuclear waste.

22 And I think this is something that, rather 23 than say that I, well, I personally dont believe 24 that, but I cant prove that its wrong. Also, you 25 cant prove that its right.

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38 1 Recently, the Nuclear Regulatory 2 Commission decided not to conduct health studies of 3 the impacts of the power plants around the United 4 States. And without those studies, you cant say that 5 there is no impact, and you cannot say that there is 6 an impact because there is no study.

7 So to come up with the statement that this 8 activity of taking care of the high level nuclear 9 waste never produced any impact is a statement that is 10 not supported. If I were to say well, I know it has 11 produced an impact, that would also be an unsupported 12 statement. There has been no study to find out 13 whether or not there is an impact. And I think that 14 kind of a positive statement really exposes the feet 15 of clay.

16 MR. DRUCKER: Thank you, and Im going to 17 ask you could just fill out a card for me, just with 18 your name and e-mail address. All right, thank you 19 all. Do we have any other comments from anyone on the 20 phone?

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39 1 everyone who provided comments during this meeting, 2 because that information exchange is what this 3 meetings all about. Also, thanks to all of you for 4 giving the speakers your time and attention.

5 And I want to thank Connie Brooks whos 6 actually across the hallway there and Fred Moore who 7 work here for the use of LaSalle County emergency 8 operations center. And finally on the table, if you 9 want to, please pick up a meeting feedback form if you 10 havent already, and either return it to me or any 11 other staff member. Feel free to mail it in. And 12 with that, this meeting is concluded.

13 Im going to stick around. If anyone had 14 any questions and wants to talk to me one-on-one, Im 15 happy to stick around and do that. So thank you all, 16 again, for coming out tonight.

17 THE OPERATOR: This concludes your 18 conference, and you may disconnect. Once again, your 19 conference has ended, and you may disconnect.

20 (Whereupon, at 8:00 p.m., the above-21 mentioned public hearing was concluded.)

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