ML101230074
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| Site: | Three Mile Island  |
| Issue date: | 11/22/2009 |
| From: | Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation |
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Transcripts of Telephonic Communication November 21-22, 2009 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 This transcript was produced from audio provided 25 by Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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6 1 PPROCEEDINGS 2 (Tape l&2) 3 HQO: NRC Operations Center. This 4 (inaudible). Can I help you?
5 MS. ARCHER: Yes, can I please have 6 someone from the Region 1 public affairs department.
7 HQO: Sure, let me see here. May I ask, 8 where are you calling form, ma'am?
9 MS. ARCHER: It's Beth Archer form 10 Exelon, E-x-e-l-o-n, and my callback number is 215-11 219-2300.
12 HQO: All right, ma'am. And is there any 13 information concerning --
14 MS. ARCHER: A TMI news release.
15 HQO: Okay. Let me see if I can get to 16 their information here. If you don't mind waiting.
17 Otherwise I can have them call you back. LetIs see 18 here. All right, it looks like Diane Screnci is the 19 duty person for public affairs.
20 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
21 HQO: And let me see if I can - if you 22 don't mind waiting I could try to put you directly in 23 touch with her.
24 MS. ARCHER: Perfect.
25 HQO: Hold on.
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7 1 (Dialing) 2 PARTICIPANT: Hello.
3 HQO: Hi, is Diane Screnci there? This is 4 NRC headquarters operations officer calling.
PARTICIPANT: Yeah, hold on.
6 (Pause) 7 (Tape 25) 8 MS. SCRENCI: Hello.
9 HQO: Hi, Diane, this is headquarters ops 1C officer. We have you down as the duty PAO for Region 11 1, is that right?
12 MS. SCRENCI: Uh-huh.
13 HQO: And I got Beth Archer from Exelon.
14 She would like to talk to you about a news release 15 from TMI.
16 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
17 HQO: Is it all right if I connect her?
18 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, sure.
19 HQO: Okay, here she is.
20 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks.
21 HQO: Beth, are you there?
22 MS. ARCHER: I'm here.
23 HQO: Okay, you are conne cted with Diane 24 Screnci, and I'm going to drop off the line, okay?
25 MS. ARCHER: Okay, thanks.
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8 1 MS. SCRENCI: Hi, Beth.
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PARTICIPANT: He wouldn't tell Raymond anything different he hasn't told us.
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Tape 4 11 MR. McINLEY: Ray McInley.
PARTICIPANT: Hey, Ray, this is (inaudible) from the headquarters operations office, MR. McINLEY: How you doing?
2: PARTICIPANT: All right. My apologies 2: for the late hour.
2 MR. McINLEY: That's all right.
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23 did get a call from Exelon earlier, and they talked to 2 Diane Screnci. I don't know what was said there, but 3 they said they were going to make a media or press 4 release.
5 PARTICIPANT: Did you hear that?
6 MR. McINLEY: Yeah, I'm hearing bits of 7 it, I'm hearing something a .bout press release which is 8 not goods.
9 PARTICIPANT: Right, Exelon called here 10 looking for Diane Screnci, wanted to inform her of a 11 press release.
12 MR. McINLEY: Around this issue?
13 PARTICIPANT: We don't know. We hooked 14 them up with Diane.
15 PARTICIPANT: And according to this, we 16 should put him on the bridge with the NRR EO.
17 PARTICIPANT: What we're going to do is, 1.8 we're going to put you up on the bridge and we are
ý19 going to brief NREO as well as the IRD manager.
20 MR. McINLEY: Okay.
21 PARTICIPANT: On call, since it is an 22 immediate safety concern.
23 MR. McINLEY: I understand you are 24 putting me up on the bridge.
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24 1 (Tape 5) 2 PARTICIPANT: First I'm calling 3 McDermott.
PARTICIPANT: I will call (inaudible).
5 PARTICIPANT: Ray, you are on bridge.
6 MR. McDERMOTT: Brian McDermott.
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21 HQO: No, we don't, but we got like I 22 said the Region 1 duty officer, according to our 23 procedure here, but we can certainly get that from 24 him.
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25 1 to - I'm not sure who the duty officer is, but if we 2 are going to (inaudible).
3 HQO: Okay. All right, I'm going to 4 transfer you up there, and we can ask for the branch 5 chief once you're up there, and try to get him on line 6 too.
7 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay, thanks.
8 HQO: Okay, I'm going to transfer you up.
9 Hold on.
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11 (Tape 5-5) 12 MR. LEE: Samson Lee.
13 HQO: Yes, Mr. Lee, this is (inaudible) 14 I'm a headquarters operations officger. My apologies (b)(7)(A) 1 for the late hour sir.
S(b) (7) (A)1 16 17 'We d like to 18 transfer you up to the bridge and talk with our IRD 19 manager as well as the regional and duty officer.
2 MR. LEE: Okay.
21 HQO: Okay, I'll transfer you up now.
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26 1 (Tape 7) 2 MR. SNYDER: Brian, are you on the 3 bridge?
4 MR. McDERMOTT: Yes, I am.
5 MR. SNYDER: Okay, Brian, got Brian 6 McDermott here, Samson Lee and Ray McInley, Region 1 7 duty officer. And this is headquarters operations officer Pete Snyder. -- It .
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Like I said, we haven't had any direct 6 reports from the site or Exelon here, although we did 7 get a call just a few minutes ago from a lady who said 8 she was from Exelon public affairs in their corporate 9 office, Beth Archer was her name, and she wanted to 1 talk to Diane Screnci about a press release.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay, I'm thinking we might 12 want to bring on Ron Bellamy and Dave Kern, the senior 13 resident inspector.
14 MR. SNYDER: All right, we can try. Is 15 Ron Bellamy the branch chief then?
16 PARTICIPANT: Yes, he is.
17 MR. SNYDER: Okay, we're going to get Ron, 18 and as far as the resident goes, we can try best way 19 we got here to get hold of him. That might take a few 20 minutes for us to dig something up.
21 PARTICIPANT: If you need a number I have 22 it.
23 MR. SNYDER: Oh, yeah, sure, if you have a i(b)(7)(A) 24 number give it to us.
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4 If there -is an ongoing operation, they've got guys 5 maybe out watching it. But go ahead and give me a 6 number then if you have it.
7 PARTICIPANT: I'll try to find, it here.
8 MR. SNYDER: Okay, I'll try to look 9 concurrently. Let me know if you get something. We just got hold of Ron Bellamy, we're going to transfer Ii him up.
12 (Tape 7-1) 13 MR. McKINLEY: This is Ray McKinley.
14 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay, Ray, this is Brian 15 McDermott.
16 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) on the line?
17 MR. McDERMOTT: I think they did 18 (inaudible).
19 MR. SNYDER: I'm trying to look up a 2 number concurrently here.
2 PARTICIPANT: I have a number.
22 MR. SNYDER: Go ahead, I '11 take it.
23 PARTICIPANT: Okay, Dave Kern, I have a (b)(6) 24 cell phone number, 25 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
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PARTICIPANT: And a home phone at' MR. BELLAMY: This is Ron Bellamy. Why are you calling Dave Kern?
PARTICIPANT: Pete wanted to go ahead and try to give him a call.
MR. McDERMOTT: Ron, this is Brian McDermott here. We've got Ray McKinley here, duty officer on the line, as well as Samson Lee from NRR.
1 We've had a safety concern.
1 PARTICIPANT: Brian, let me interrupt you. Dave Kern is not in town.
MR. McDERMOTT: Okay.
PARTICIPANT: If you want to get a resident or a senior resident, Xavier Brandon is the I guy to call.
MR. McDERMOTT: Okay, I have that number 1
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asking why you calling Dave. He's down in Florida on vacation.
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31 1 Xavier is coming up on the bridge, and 2 he's saying he did get a call from the plant. So 3 maybe whenever he gets up. Xavier, is that you?
MR. BRANDON: Yes, I'm here.
5 MR. SNYDER: All right, this is Pete 6 Snyder, I'm the headquarters ops officer. We got a 7 number of people on the bridge, including Ron Bellamy.
8 MR. BRANDON: Okay.
9 MR. SNYDER: Why don't you go ahead and -
10 we got the Region 1 duty officer, NRR EO, and we got 11 our IRD manager here. Why don't you go through what 12 you know, what the plant told you about this. We got 13 a report of this airborne release inside containment, 14 and a number of people weren't being able to frisk 15 out. Can you go ahead and tell us what you know?
16 MR. BRANDON: They called me at about, 17 let's see, first time at about 7:30 p.m. And they had 18 very little information at the time. And they said 19 that they received some alarms in the airborne alarms 20 in containment. And they just. called me again about 21 two minutes ago. What they said two minutes ago was 22 that they had news media onsite, someone may have 23 called the news media, that they had processed about 24 125 people. The highest value of contamination was 16 25 millirems, one individual. Seven showed 10 millirems.
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32 And there was a process . of, you know,' doing an 2 investigation.
3 PARTICIPANT: Xavier, you're saying that news media is on site?
MR. BRANDON: Right. They don't know 6 which news media is onsite, but there is news media.
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay, then the officer did 8 receive a call, Pete, can you relay that as well.
9 (Tape 7-2) 10 MR. SNYDER: Sir, I didn't hear that last 11 question, I'm sorry.
12 PARTICIPANT: You guys received a call 13 regarding, from the media, trying to get her, from 14 Exelon public affairs, trying to get hold of Diane 15 Screnci, was that correct?
16 MR. SNYDER: Yeah, we did. We got a call
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33 1 did not listen to that call, I just conferenced, 2 joined them two together and dropped off.
3 Xavier, do we know what the source of the 4 radioactive material is?
5 MR. BRANDON: Well, the time of the first 6 call they made, there were not doing any cutting or 7 anything like that. They don't know where it's coming 8 from.. As you know there had been cutting to remove 9 the (inaudible) steam generator. The cutting that 10 they have done was several hours before the alarms 11 went off. So at the time, even know, they don't know 12 for sure what the source is.
13 (Tape 73) 14 MR. SNYDER: I'm sorry, this headquarters 15 operations officer. Was there a question for me 16 again?
17 PARTICIPANT: I was just thinking about 18 Xavier's call.
19 MR. SNYDER: Okay, sorry.
2 PARTICIPANT: Ron, this is Ray. Do we 21 need any higher level management on the line with 22 regard to Region I?
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,6 34 1 but it was a just call me back when you're done on 2 another issue. I haven't quite figured what he would 3 want on a Saturday night.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, that's probably it.
5 You may want to think about bringing Diane Screnci on 6 the line.
7 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, I would put Diane on 8 and find out exactly what she heard from Beth, if we 9 could get Diane on the line.
1 PARTICIPANT: You might want to bring up 11 Dave, just to - what do you think, Ron?
12 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, I think that is a 13 good idea.
14 MR. BRANDON: I'm available to go onsite 15 if you want me to.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay, well let's just hold 17 off right now, Xavier, and see what Diane knows, 18 because it sounds like she probably has the best 19 information on what's happening.
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PARTICIPANT: Are you bringing up Diane Screnci?
6 MR. SNYDER: Yes, we just got hold of her, 7 we should be transferring her up momentarily.
PARTICIPANT: And would you like to bring 9 up Dave Lu?
1C MR. SNYDER: Yeah, we may as well get him 11 on because as soon as we are done I 1l have to call 12 him anyhow so he can hear it firsthand:
13 PARTICIPANT: Okay, we're on it, sir.
14 PARTICIPANT: Xavier, while they are 15 waiting to get on the line for folk that are not real 16 familiar with the evolution if there is something 17 licensee is doing to control airborne releases from 18 going outside the opening in containment that might be 19 helpful to know.
20 MR. BRANDON: They did have the 21 (inaudible) system running, but - because of the size 22 of the hole. It (inaudible) about five minutes ago 23 when they call, he said that they could see - I think 24 they have (inaudible) plastic, and I don't know 25 whether or not it covers the whole penetration. But NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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36 1 they could see that it was blowing out, that it wasn't 2 negative in containment.
3 PARTICIPANT: Typically they have a 4 plastic drop down and attempt to maintain negative in 5 containment to the extent practical.
6 MR. BRANDON: I remember because they 7 were removing the (inaudible) generator this afternoon 8 (inaudible) the plastic down again. But they did say 9 they had drawn sample smears out of the liner of the 10 opening and there was no contamination. They have 11 done some ground samples on the outside in the 12 vicinity and there was no contamination. They are in 13 the process of doing more samples to make sure there 1 has been no release outside.
15 PARTICIPANT: Xavier, this is Ray, did 16 you get any indication of numbers of personnel that 17 may be contaminated?
18 MR. BRANDON: The process handled 125 19 total through the portable monitors.
20 PARTICIPANT: Are they clean?
21 MR. BRANDON: They know that seven were 22 not - well, seven (inaudible) 10, millirems, and one 23 (inaudible) to 16, which has been the highest.
24 PARTICIPANT: And the rest are clean?
25 MR. BRANDON: I'm not sure.
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37 1 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
2 MR. BRANDON: I didn't ask that 3 specifically. It sounded to me like probably 11 out 4 of the 125 were contaminated, but I'm not sure.
5 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
6 MR. BRANDON: And they do believe it's 7 internal, because the photo monitors were the ones 8 that were showing the 10 millirem or the 15 millirem.
9 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) 10 MR. BRANDON: Say it again?
11 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) 12 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Dave, this is Ron. Are 13 you aware at all of what we are talking about?
14 PARTICIPANT: I have some information at 15 this point. I know that there was an issue (audio 16 breaks up slightly) with containment evacuation 17 (inaudible).
18 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Xavier is on. Xavier 19 has received two calls from the licensee. It sounds 20 like at about 7:30 p.m. there were alarms in 21 containment and they called him back about 15 minutes 22 ago to indicate that they had frisked out 125 people 23 and of those 125 seven showed 10 millirem internal 24 contamination, lone showed 16 millirem. We also know 25 that Beth Archer, who is their public affairs officer, NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS-1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 MS. SCRENCI: (Inaudible) She got me.
3 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Diane, through the duty 4 officer, and Diane may have more information since she 5 spoke to Beth.
6 MS. SCRENCI: They were - one of the TV 7 stations knew about it and had gone to the site and 8 they were going to talk to the TV station. They were 9 planning to put a press release out tonight. My 10 conversation with Beth was pretty quick, and I didn't 11 - I got what you said so far, Ron.
12 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Xavier, is there 13 anything else that you know about? Where is the alpha 14 steam generator as we speak?
15 PARTICIPANT: This is headquarters 16 operations officer, we just (inaudible) informed me 17 that we are starting to get federal partner interest 18 from this. DOE emergency operations center just 19 called saying that they are getting notification, they 20 are getting calls concerning the THI - alleged TMI 21 release.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
23 PARTICIPANT: Just a heads up.
24 PARTICIPANT: Okay, this is Ray McInley.
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39 1 'up as well, Nancy McNamara.
2 PARTICIPANT: I understand, Nancy 3 McNamara, we'll get on it.
4 PARTICIPANT: That's correct.
5 PARTICIPANT: Can we take a step back 6 here right now? And understand, there is a lot of 7 interest here, Bob. Do you have the details on what 8 transpired at TMI this evening, or do we need to get 9 the licensee on and Xavier run through it?
10 MR. BRANDON: I could run through what I 11 know but if you want more specific details you will 12 probably need to get hold of one of the licensees.
13 PARTICIPANT: I would recommend that we 14 do that. We are not dealing with a lot of information 15 here that seems to make a whole bunch of sense.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay, this is what I know 17 at this point. What I know at this point is they were 18 doing some work on the bravo loop that caused 19 contamination airborne in the containment.
20 My understanding is as a result of the 21 airborne contamination inside containment, that at the 22 time they had over 100 people in containment, they had 23 to evacuate, they had to monitor the folks, and as you 24 indicated a number of folks did receive internal 25 contamination, but nothing significant."
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40-1 My understanding at this point is, I don't 2 believe that there is a hole cut in containment. It 3 was not put to me that there was actually any release 4 outside to the public. But I don't know that for 5 sure.
6 PARTICIPANT: Xavier indicated that he 7 was told that there were samples taken both at the 8 access and. just outside and there was nothing 9 detected.
10 PARTICIPANT: Okay, but there was, no 11 release of radioactivity to the-public.
12 PARTICIPANT: Xavier, I don't want to 13 speak for you; can you confirm that's what you said?
14 MR. BRANDON: Yeah, there was no known 15 release at this point, and the samples they have done 16 showed negative.
17 PARTICIPANT: I think mainly what you are 18 dealing with here is a significant press interest, and 19 also reports going out to the external federal 20 agencies beyond NRC.
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41 1 individuals being contaminated.
2 PARTICIPANT: I think really the next 3 steps here is, we need to give whatever information we 4 have available to Diane so Diane can be in a position 5 to talk to these issues when necessary. But we need 6 to confirm the information. I understand, Xavier, are 7 you onsite?
8 MR. BRANDON: No, I'm at home, but I 9 could make it onsite in about 20 minutes.
10 PARTICIPANT: Is Dave Kern available?
11 Did they talk to Dave Kern?
12 PARTICIPANT: No, Dave is on vacation in 13 J*+/-oriaa.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay, so let me talk to 15 you, Xavier. Is there anything else to add in terms 16 of what information they provided you?
17 MR. BRANDON: No, that's about it. I do 18 have some numbers of the outage control center if you 19 need to get someone on the phone.
20 PARTICIPANT: When (inaudible) out with 21 the press release?
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4 42 -.- Tv going to take. There was already a TV station at the 2 site.
3 PARTICIPANT: Right. My understanding 4 (inaudible) reached out to the state, local, officials, and also to the media, so I guess that must be on the medi a.
7 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, she told me that they were doing outreach to stakeholders. I'm not sure 9 that they've actually reached out to the media yet. I 1 thought that was the press release that they were 1 going to put out, but they may have talked to some -
p 12 you know, they may have made some calls.
13 PARTICIPANT: I believe they actually 14 reached out ahead of time (inaudible).
15 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
16 PARTICIPANT: At this point there is 17 media, and the licensee should have conveyed pretty 1 much what we understand at this point. I think it 19 would be worthwhile to get additional information from 20 the licensee so we can complete the story (inaudible) 21 media at this point. I don't know that there are any 22 -------significant issues.
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9 MR. McDERMOTT: This is Brian McDermott.
10 The ops officers I think took the original call, and 11 they were indicating at least based on the initial 12 information that there was a release inside 13 containment, but then that was tied to the containment 14 being open. And what we heard from Xavier is, there 15 is no negative pressure in containment.
16 MR. BRANDON: That's correct. The 17 containment (inaudible) because they have a hole to 18 take out the steam generator.
19 PARTICIPANT: This is headquarters (b)(7)(A) 2 operations, this is headquarters ops.
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5 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) the licensee 6 called me, he did not mention anything about that.
.7 PARTICIPANT: Does that designation mean 8 anything, Xavier, gate 33 or post 33?
9 MR. BRANDON: No.
10 PARTICIPANT: It does not mean anything 11 to me.
12 PARTICIPANT: This is Ray. I think it's
`13 a gate near the containment entrance.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. That means the main 15 gate right in front of it.
16 PARTICIPANT: Right. (Inaudible) Xavier, 17 is there someone on the site that you can contact to 18 give us an update on what has transpired and what they 19 know at this point as well as the next steps?
2 MR. BRANDON: Yes, if you want to hook 2 them up, the telephone number,. I could give it to you 22 guys and you could bring him online.
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45 1 outage manager.
2 PARTICIPANT: This is Ray. I would 3 recommend asking for the shift outage director.
4 MR. BRANDON: Yes, I have, the phone (b)(6) number isi 6 PARTICIPANT: That would really be the 7 shift outage manager that we are looking for.
8 PARTICIPANT: Who's that on shift now, 9 Xavier, do you know?
10 MR. BRANDON: I don't know because they 11 switch them. It could be Dave (inaudible). He was in 12 the morning. Inr*.....
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14 shift outage manager, and I will put him in the I I 1 E&S bridge and let you know when he's up there.
1 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
17 PARTICIPANT: Dave, Nancy Lightner is on 18 the line.
19 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Nancy, how are you.
20 PARTICIPANT: This gentleman may or may 21 not be cognizant of everything that is going on - this 22 is Ray - but he should have overall understanding of 23 the outage and what's happening. So I would say the 24 shift outage manager is probably the right guy to be 25 speaking to.
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46 1 PARTICIPANT: This is (inaudible) 2 basically when I called you Ron, this evening 3 (inaudible) took a call from (inaudible), she had 4 indicated, and basically information that I conveyed 5 is what I got from Bill. They do not indicate that 6 there was anything that was released outside of 7 containment. He didn't mention anything about that.
8 But he did recognize that there was a hole in 9 containment. So (inaudible).
10 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, Xavier indicated that 11 he was told that they did swipe those areas, they 12 didn't find anything, and I agree with your assessment 13 that there are no significant contaminations here. So 14 I would agree that this is just a media interest issue 15 right now.
16 PARTICIPANT: You said there are media 17 onsite?
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, Beth said that one of 19 the ABC affiliates from Harrisburg was there.
20 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
21 PARTICIPANT: Ron, I just - when the 22 outage director gets on the line, are you going to 23 take the lead on it?
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47 1 just to make sure that we have, the (inaudible) 2 specifics, on what happened, what transpired, what are 3 some of the consequences of the event to individuals a well as anything external to the containment, and what 5 the next steps are, try and wrap this issue up. And 6 he would not know the media strategy but if you have 7 that information it would be helpful as well.
.8 PARTICIPANT: While we're waiting, 9 Xavier, the situation is that the alpha generator is 10 off its pedestal, is that still inside containment?
11 MR. BRANDON: When I left this afternoon 12 it was still on the (inaudible) right outside the 13 opening, but inside containment.
14 PARTICIPANT: Inside containment, okay?
15 And the bravo generator is still being cut, that has 16 not been moved?
17 MR. BRANDON: That is correct.
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
19 MR. BRANDON: But it is likely, and I'm 20 not sure, that would *be a question for the outage 21 manager, whether or not the generator has been already 22 laid down which means it probably would be outside the 23 opening (inaudible).
24 PARTICIPANT: You're back talking about 25 the alpha generator.
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48 1 .MR. BRANDON: Yes, the alpha generator.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay, I was under the 3 impression that they were going to put additional 4 sealant on it before they laid it down, and it was not 5 going to be today.
6 MR. BRANDON: No, they were in the 7 process of laying it down.
8 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, we'll find it.
9 PARTICIPANT: Xavier, do you know what 10 the specific activity they were doing when the 11 airborne, (inaudible) occurred (inaudible) what the 12 problem is?
13 MR. BRANDON: We did have that question 14 and they said they had not been doing any cutting on 15 the bravo unit at all. Then last time that they had 16 been cutting was several hours before the alarm, so 17 they couldn't really associate it with a specific 18 incident at the time.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And do you know how 20 DOE is involved in this? I heard DOE may be asking 21 questions. (Inaudible) 22 PARTICIPANT: This is Ray. There is an 23 emergency number for call for radiological incidents 24 to DOE, so anybody can call that through their website 25 at any time, and I would imagine that that is how this NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 PARTICIPANT: Gentlemen, can I interrupt 3 you for a second. This is headquarters operations 4 officer. I have Jim Hauchman, who is-the shift outage 5 manager, and he is on the transfer bridge and waiting 6 for me to connect bridges when you guys are ready.
7 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, please put him on.
8 PARTICIPANT: Okay, I'll connect him now.
9 Okay, Jim you there, right?
10 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes, I am.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay, what I'm going to do 12 is, I'm going to go ahead and let the Region 1 13 headquarters guys know you're there and then I'll 14 connect the two bridges, okay?
15 MR. HAUCHMAN: Okay, Howie.
16 PARTICIPANT: Thanks.
17 (Tape 7_5_161) 18 PARTICIPANT: Mr. Hauchman?
19 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes.
20 PARTICIPANT: This is Howie (inaudible) 21 from headquarters operations. You are now connected 22 with just a whole host of folks from Region 1 and 23 headquarters, and let Mr. Bryan, the (inaudible) 24 response director at headquarters, do the 25 introductions if you don't mind. Bryan, have you got NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 PARTICIPANT: That's fine, Howie. We've 3 got Ron Bellamy (inaudible) in the region, and he is 4 going to lead this part of the discussion.
5 MR. BELLAMY: Jim, how you doing?
6 MR. HAUCHMAN: Hey, I'm okay.
7 MR. BELLAMY: Good. We've got a number 8 of people on including public affairs (inaudible) Dave 9 Lu and Xavier. And we're - we want to find out 10 exactly what's happened inside containment over the 11 last couple, three hours; what was the source of the 12 airborne contamination that we've heard about and what 13 your steps are. If you could give us all a summary 14 starting from the beginning that Would be great.
15 MR. HAUCHMAN: I can give you what I know 16 at present. We are still out - we have teams out in 17 the reactor building right now performing surveys 18 before we let anyone go back in and actually to start 19 cleanup activities.
2 So a little after 1600 this afternoon we 21 had some radiation monitors, airborne radiation 22 monitors that we have in the containment there, AMS4s 23 if you know what those are, monitoring for radiation 24 levels. And they indicated an increase and hit that 25 alarm threshold. I don't have that number right at NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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5-1 present with me, but they hit an alarm point, and we 2 evacuated containment. At that point we started 3 noticing folks coming out of containment with some 4 contamination on them, they didn't clear the portal 5 monitors. So we sent them for a whole body count. I 6 know of at least 10 right now, and we have not gone 7 through the entire population, but 10 that have 8 internal contamination, in the neighborhood of you 9 know a few millirems to 10 and 16 millirems internal 10 contamination is the highest that we have got at 11 present. But again, there are folks still in line to 12 get to the whole body counters that didn't clear the 13 portal monitors coming out of the plant. We had about 14 - and the numbers, until I get through all of these 15 I'll have the exact number - but over 100 folks that 16 were working on containment. So multiples were 17 occurring, since we were replacing our steam 18 generators, and the bravo steam generator. We are 19 doing several line cuts, and had activities in 20 progress, numerous of activities could have resulted 21 in some airborne contamination. ' Do not know at 22 present. Our big concern was to get everyone out, 23 understand what the radiological conditions are, and 24 what we need to do to correct that before we let folks 25 go back to work.
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52 1 So right now we are in that process of surveying .containment, to understandý what the 3 conditions are, not large dose levels., It was a 4 contamination event; not a radiation you know - not a 5 significant dosage associated with this, it's more 6 airborne related.
7 We do have the construction. opening, so 8 above our equipment hatch we have another hole in 9 containment for the steam generators to go in and out 10 of. Did notice a slightly airflow out of the building 11 at the time of the event. We do have our containment 12 purge system up and running. So we did surveys 13 outside the building immediately below the equipment 14 hatch as well as the hatch transfer system, which is 15 essentially above. the equipment hatch supporting the 16 generators as they come out and go back in.
17 MR. BELLAMY: Right.
18 MR. HAUCHMAN: Those surveys outside the 19 building showed no contamination. Inside the building 201* we are still assessing - and I don't have direct field 21 reports at present because they are still out in the 22 field during their surveys at present.
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53 1 key teams -checking contamination levels, initial 2 response in some of the first areas we went into were 3 not significantly different than what we had 4 previously. So we are still trying to understand 5 that. Nothing directly outside the building indicated 6 any material on the ground. But because we had slight 7 airflow out of the building I believe there was a 8 slight amount of airborne activity that was released.
9 But I know that based on levels that I am presently 10 knowledgeable of that those were small fractions of 11 the regulatory limits, and we are looking at every 12 ODCM number at present to make sure that we didn't get 13 close to any of. those at present. But it will be 14 another hour before we know that information.
15 MR. BELLAMY: Okay, can you tell us the 16 status of the alpha steam generator?
17 MR. HAUCHMAN: The alpha steam generator 18 is on the transfer system on the inside. We were just 19 in the process of starting to lower it down to the 20 vertical position. So it's 15 degrees off the 21 horizontal right now.
22 MR. BELLAMY: Correct, and it's fully 23 inside containment?
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3 MR. HAUCHMAN: That is correct. We still 4 have one, two, three, four, five it looks like, seven 5 cuts, maybe a little bit less because I don't have a 6 direct update, work is in progress.
7 MR. BELLAMY: Do you have plastic over 8 the opening?
9 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes, we do.
10 MR. BELLAMY: Okay, and your plans to go 11 forward are?
12 MR. HAUCHMAN: Well, we're surveying the 13 top to bottom to understand exactly what happened 14 inside containment. And we got to get through all the 15 workers to understand the uptakes. But like I say, at 16 present it's a little over 10 in the most significant 17 internal contamination we've seen was 16 millirems.
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2 MR. BELLAMY: Any other NRC people have 3 any questions for Tim?
4 PARTICIPANT: Yes, hello, this is John 5 Wade. Can you tell us about your contacts on site so 6 far, who's been notified?
7 MR. HAUCIHIAN: Well, there are a lot of 8 phone calls occurring. I know that an outside news 9 organization contacted our communicator, Ralph 10 DeSantos, and he's over at our training center right 11 now, I believe it's ABC, but I can't - it's happening 12 so quickly I can't tell you which one it is. But 13 there is a news media that was alerted, and they are 14 out talking with Ralph DeSantos, our site 15 communicator, at present.
16 PARTICIPANT: And have the civilians been 17 notified?
18 MR. HAUCHMAN: No, Xavier has been 19 notified, and I know - I don't know personally, but I 20 know we had talked with releasing an EPI (phonetic),
21 and PIMA had contacted the control room, so they are 22 in communications with our control room operators.
23 And Ron Bellamy - or not Ron Bellamy - I'm losing my 24 head here - PIMA --
25 PARTICIPANT: Rich Genatti.
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56 1 MR. HAUCHMAN: Oh, Rich Genatti, okay.
2 PARTICIPANT: And do you know anything 3 about the isotopic mix that's been involved here from 4 your samples?
5 MR. HAUCHMAN: I don't know personally.
6 I'm sure I can get some RP techs to give me some more 7 examples when I get more details, but I don't have 8 that off the top of my head.
9 PARTICIPANT: Do you know the level of 10 (inaudible) that was measured?
11 MR. HAUCHMAN: I don't have that 12 information right in front of me but I can get that.
13 PARTICIPANT: I have no other questions, 14 Ron, thank you..
15 MR. BELLAMY: Yeah, just for everybody's 16 information, Jim used the acronym EPPI, that's 17 Exelon's Event of Potential Public Interest where they 18 reach out to most of the folks outside and let folks 19 know what's going on, and that's undoubtedly how DOE 20 heard about it.
21 PARTICIPANT: Jim, this- is. (inaudible).
22 I want you to know I'm a member of (inaudible). You 23 indicated a number of 175.
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57 1 up in the hall here to get through the body - the 2 portal monitor, I mean the whole body counter at 3 present.
4 PARTICIPANT: Does that number include 5 people who were outside of containment near the 6 opening? Or is that people that were in the 7 containment?
8 MR. HAUCHMAN: Those are the ones that 9 were in the containment. There were five in 10 radiological control area, and they were either on 11 their way or had been working on the containment. And 12 again we have a lot of activities both for mobilizing 13 the alpha generator and for doing the cuts on the 14 bravo generator.
15 MR. BRANDON: This is Xavier again. Have 16 you tested anyone that was immediately outside the 17 opening to see if there is any level of contamination?
18 MR. HAUCHMAN: Well, again, we've 19 surveyed outside the equipment hatch and outside of 20 the hatch transfer system, and both of those surveys 21 indicated no contamination. And we are going to 22 continue tonight to expand that and look everywhere.
23 But nothing outside. I have no indications right now 24 that outside of contamination - outside of containment 25 there was any contamination.
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58 1 MR. BELLAMY: Yes, Jim, I think we'd 2 appreciate getting a confirmation that any of the 3 portal monitor alarms and those that are being whole 4 body counted are workers that were inside containment, 5! and nobody was outside containment that may have 6 gotten contaminated?
7 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yeah, I'll confirm and 8 follow back up with Xavier.
9 MR. BELLAMY: Thanks.
10 PARTICIPANT: Conway, are you comfortable 11 with where we are radiologically?
12 PARTICIPANT: Yes, I understand it. And 13 I would agree that given the level of containment - I 14 have heard before from talking to Tom Dockery that 15 they were looking at about 2 DAC (phonetic) being 16 measured *in containment, and about point two DAC being 17 measured at the construction opening, and that would 18 indicate that there is little likelihood of any type 19 of public health and safety consequence, and little 20 likelihood of any contamination of personnel outside 21 of the building.
22 MR. BELLAMY: Agreed.
23 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) I just want to 24 make sure we confirm, all work has been stopped in the 25 containment?
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2 The' only ones in containment right now are PTECHS 3 assessing the conditions.
4 PARTICIPANT: And the ventilation system, 5 have you made any changes to the ventilation system to 6 try and maintain a negative pressure?
7 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes, we had both 8 containment purge and supply fans running, and we have 9 just a supply fan to give us the maximum draw on 10 containment, so there is very little air that is 11 leaving the construction opening.
12 PARTICIPANT: The (inaudible) that are 13 inside the containment, are they on respiratory 14 protection do you know?
15 MR. HAUCHMAN: I do not know, but hang on 16 a second? (Pause) Hang on just a second. I've got 17 the radiation tech commander that can answer that 18 question. (Pause) 19 (Tape 7_5_16_2) 20 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes, the techs that are 21 inside containment are wearing respirators at present.
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2 PARTICIPANT: Well, what are your next 3 plans, steps?
4 MR. HAUCHMAN: Right now we are 5 determining where the original source of contamination 6 is, and we are going to, as soon as we find that out, 7 address that either with some contamination controls 8 or, once I understand if it was caused by a 9 (inaudible) that broke or if it was contamination in 10 a line that we weren't expecting, we'll take care of 11 those as soon as we find it.
12 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
13 PARTICIPANT: Is it your intention to 14 whole body count all the individuals who were in 15 containment?
16 MR. HAUCKNAN: All the individuals that 17 came out of containment that didn't pass through the 18 port-a-monitors, are getting whole body counted.
19 PARTICIPANT: So those individuals were 20 counted before they were released off site, is that 21 right?
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2 PARTICIPANT: Very good, thank you.
3 MR. HAUCHMAN: We have had folks that 4 came out of containment that did not alarm the whole 5 body counter as well. I don't want to make it sound 6 like everyone in there has a whole body uptick. But 7 of the 175 roughly 10 right now have signs of internal 8 contamination. That number may be a little higher 9 once we get through the whole body counting on 10 everyone.
11 PARTICIPANT: Are you aware of any, 12 (inaudible) contamination, higher (inaudible) 13 contamination, than would be normal for the work 14 activity being monitored so far?
15 MR. HAUCHMAN: Well, the activities that 16 we had in progress, we didn't have levels far outside 17 what we were expecting. So we need to get in and 18 understand where this came from which right now we 19 don't know. Like I say, we had several cutting 20 activities, and EPA (inaudible) in several different 21 evolutions. So there's quite a few potential places 22 where this could have come from. But right now until 23 we get in and complete all the surveys we are not 24 going to know the origin.
25 PARTICIPANT: I understand, thank you.
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62 1 PARTICIPANT; Just wanted to get - did 2 you say that when the alarms were received at 1600 3 that you guys are confirming that there were actually 4 cutting activities? Because earlier we had been told 5 that the cutting activities had been several hours 6 before the alarm.
7 MR. HAUCHMAN: We had several activities 8 going on. I don't know that we can positively say 9 that they weren't doing a cut in a particular area 10 when this occurred. I know what work was going on in 11 the plant, whether it was cutting, was occurring 12 exactly when this occurred, I don't know that we can 13 say that at present. We know the work activities, 14 and we are going to go search every work area and 15 obviously follow the contamination to where it tells 16 us what the source is.
17 (Tape 8) 18 MR. BELLAMY: Hello?
19 PARTICIPANT: Yes, Mr. Bellamy?
20 MR. BELLAMY: Yes, hi.
21 HQO: Hi, this is Howard (inaudible) from 22 the headquarters operations office.
23 MR. BELLAMY: Yes.
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63 1 (inaudible) in which (inaudible).
2 MR. BELLAMY: Okay.
3 HQO: We have (inaudible) folks up on 4 bridge (inaudible) McInley duty officer, NRR EO Samson 5 Lee, and the IRD manager on call Brian McDermott.
6 MR. BELLAMY: Okay.
7 HQO: And we're going to get your resident 8 inspector up on the line as well.
9 MR. BELLAMY: Okay, that would be Javier 10 Brand.
11 HQO: Javier Brand, we'll get hold of 12 Javier.
13 Transferring you up now, sir.
14 MR. BELLAMY: Thank you.
15 (Tape 9) 16 HQO: Yes, Javier?
17 MR. BRAND: Yes.
18 HQO: Hi, this is Howie Crouch. I'm the 19 headquarters operations (inaudible) for the U.S.
20 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
21 MR. BRAND: Yes, how you doing?
22 HQO: Fine, how are you doing tonight, 23 Javier?
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64 1 Point either, do you. (Laughs) Hey, Javier, we have 2 a bridge going on right now with folks from your 3 regional office concerning an alleged ongoing 4 environmental release at TMI.
5 MR. BRAND: Yes, I just got a phone call 6 from them.
7 HQO: So listen, your branch chief and a 8 whole bunch of people up on the bridge, could I go 9 ahead and put you up on the bridge?
10 MR. BRAND: Yes, go ahead, please.
11 HQO: Javier coming up, and he said he did 12 get a call from the (inaudible).
13 (Tape 10) 14 PARTICIPANT: Hello.
1i HQO: Yes, Mr. (inaudible)?
16 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
17 HQO: Howie Crouch, I'm an headquarters 18 operations officer. Is Diane Available?
19 PARTICIPANT: She is, hold on.
20 PARTICIPANT: Hello?
22 HQO: Diane?
22 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
23 HQO: This is Howie Crouch. I'm at 24 headquarters office. My apologies for the late hour 25 once again.
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65 1 PARTICIPANT: It's okay.
2 HQO: But we have half your Region 1 3 management on the line.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
5 HQO: And they are really concerned about 6 TNI. News media is on site. So I'm just going to 7 transfer you up to the bridge, do you mind?
8 PARTICIPANT: No, thanks.
9 (Tape 11) 10 PARTICIPANT: Hello.
11 HQO: Hello, this is NRC headquarters 12 calling. Is Mr. Lew available?
13 PARTICIPANT: He just left. If you could 14 call his cell phone number that would be better.
15 HQO: Okay, ma'am, thank you very much.
16 (Another call) 17 HQO: Hi, Dave?
18 MR. LEW: Yes.
19 HQO: Hi, this is headquarters ops officer 20 calling. Are you in a position to take a call?
21 MR. LEW: Yes, I am.
22 HQO: Okay, we'd like to transfer you up 23 to a conference bridge we've got ongoing about an 24 issue at TTI.
25 MR. LEW: Okay.
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(b)(7)(AA) i................... ................
.7 li b))(7)(A *~~~~~1 2 and'we got a number of people already on 3 the bridge including Ron Bellamy and Javier from - I guess he's currently covering the TMI site.
5 MR. LEW: Yes.
6 HQO: And Diane Crenci is up there, 7 apparently she received information of a press release 8 from Exelon also, and we got Brian McDermott here, our 9 IRD manager, and Samson Lee, the NRR EO, all on this 10 conference. I was going to transfer you up there so 1i you could join. them, okay, because Ron asked me to 12 call you anyway here. Is that okay, sir?
13 MR. LEW: Yes.
14 HQO: All right, I'm going to transfer you 15 up.
16 (Tape 12) 17 DOE HQO: NRC operations, Coeur d'Alene, 18 how may I help you?
19 PARTICIPANT: How you doing, sir, this is 20 Anthony calling you here from DOE headquarters
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K 67 1 contaminating markers at Three Mile Island, and I'm 2 just calling to see if you've got anything on that?
3 DOE HQO: Well, sure, what we have right 4 now is a - we have confirmed that there are contaminated people at TMI, but they are in the middle 6 of their. investigation, and we're actually in the 7 middle of a conference call with our leadership in 8 that region trying to figure out what the details are, 9 so I really don't have details right now, but I can 1 confirm that not only did we have probably the same (b)(7)(A) 1 call that you- had, hat there was a 12 release ongoing. The licensee has not reported to us, 13 but they have reported to the. resident inspector that 14 there are some contaminated personnel.
15 PARTICIPANT: Okay, so I imagine if you 16 guys find anything positive about this you'll give us 17 a call?
18 DOE HQO: Oh, absolutely.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
20 DOE HQO: Okay?
21 PARTICIPANT: Okay, thanks a lot, what's 22 your name again, sir?
22 DOE HQO: Howie Crouch, C-r-o-u-c-h.
PARTICIPANT: Okay, thanks Howie.
DOE HQO: Hey, thank you. Bye.
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68 1 (Tape 13) 2 MS. McNAMARA: Hello?
3 HQO: Hi, NEincy?
4 MS. McNAMARA: Yeah.
5 HQO: This is .1Howie Crouch. I'm the 6 headquarters operations officer (inaudible) and my 7 humble apologies for the late hour.
8 MS. McNAMARAý: (Inaudible) what can I do 9 for you?
HQO: I have a bunch of your colleagues 1 on a conference call right now.
12 MS. McNAMARA: Okay.
13 HQO: And the issue and the concern is that there is significant media interest and federal 14 partner interest and concern that there is an ongoing 16 release at TMI in conjunction with their steam 17 generator replacement work. So trust me, you got a 18 whole bunch of people on the bridge.
19 MS. McNAMARA: Okay, thanks a lot, Howie, 20 I'll listen in.
21 HQO: And we have nobody alleging there 22 is a release outside containment, but there is a whole in the containment.
24 MS. McNAMARA: This is true, then.
25 HQO: Well, it sounds like it.
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69 MS. McNAMARA: Oh, okay.
2 HQO: But I'm going to transfer you up 3 now at the request of Ron Bellamy.
4 MS. McNAMARA: Okay, thanks Howie.
5 HQO: All right.
6 (Tape 14) 7 HQO: NRC Operations Center. This is a 8 recorded line. Can I help you?
9 MR. LEE: Yes, hi. My name is David Lee, 10 and I work over at the NRCC group. And what I got it, 11 I just got a phone call from the (inaudible) group and 12 they said that there was something going on at Three 13 Mile Island, and I wanted to know if you had any kind 14 of indications or warnings with regard to something 15 happening at the Three Mile Island facility.
16 HQO: Yes, sir, this is headquarters 17 operations officer at the NRC here, but we currently 18 we got some personnel discussing a media interest 19 issue at TMI. Okay. But we have no reports from TMI.
20 Okay?
21 MR. LEE: Okay, so right now it's just 22 media interest in something, an incident, but nothing 23 from the site itself?
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70 1 that s a loaded term because I used to work at the 2 Department of Navy, an incident means a big thing that 3 is going on that is a potentially significant issue.
4 We don t.know that. When we know that, certainly we 5 are going to call out and let everyone know. But we 6 do not know that at this time. We have no emergency 7 report from TMI.
8 MR. LEE: All right, okay, I will 9 (inaudible) to know that. Thank you so much.
10 HQO: So that's what we got. We do have 11 a media interest report from TMI. I mean not from TMI 12 itself, but a media interest report that we have heard 13 about from Exelon, where there is some media interest 14 in an issue at the site. And Exelon is the utility 15 there. All right?
16 MR. LEE: All right, thank you.
17 HQO: Goodbye.
18 (Tape 15) 19 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible)', this is Paula.
20 HQO: Yeah, hi, Paula, this is Howie 21 Crouch, a headquarters operations officer at the 22 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and we have been 23 requested by Javier Brand, who is a senior resident 24 inspector there, to talk to the shift outage manager.
25 Who would that be?
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71 1 PARTICIPANT: The shift outage manager?
2 HQO: Right, the work center manager that 3 is on tonight?
4 PARTICIPANT: That's Jim Hauchman. If 5 you will hold, please, I'll get him down here to speak 6 with you. Your name again?
7 HQO: Howie Crouch, C-r-o-u-c-h.
8 PARTICIPANT: Howie, huh?
9 HQO: Right, and I'm with the U.S.
10 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay, hold on.
12 HQO: Thanks.
13 (Pause) 14 PARTICIPANT: Howie?
15 HQO: Yes.
16 PARTICIPANT: Hold the line, please. I'm 17 going to send you over to Jim Hauchman.
18 HQO: Okay, thanks.
19 MR. HAUCHMAN: Jim Hauchman.
20 HQO: Hi, Jim, this is Howie Crou'ch. I'm 21 the headquarters operations officer, U.S. Nuclear 22 Regulatory Commission.
23 MR. HAUCHMAN: Howie.
24 HQO: And you are the outage control 25 coordinator for tonight?
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72 1 MR. HAUCHMAN: I'm the shift outage 2 manager for tonight.
3 HQO: Wow, that is too bad for you.
4 MR. HAUCHMAN: That is correct.
5 HQO: The reason why I'm calling is 6 Javier Brand gave me your number, and obviously there 7 is a significant concern about what's going on with 8 the inside containment and potentially outside 9 containment to say the least, are airborne with 10 (inaudible) air alert.
11 MR. HAUCHMAN: Yes.
12 HQO: And what I've got is, I've got a 13 whole slew of regional and headquarters personnel that 14 need to bend your ear. Do you have time to do that?
15 MR. HAUCHMAN: I do. I do. I got some 16 other calls going on, but I got time to talk to you.
17 HQO: Okay, Jim, what I'm going to do is, 18 I'm going to transfer you up into the EEO bridge.
19 You're going to.be the only one on.there. I'm going 20 to tell the guys you are there, and then they'll 21 connect the two bridges.
22 MR. HAUCHNAN: Okay.
23 (Tape 18) 24 HQO: (Inaudible) Coeur d'Alene,. how may 25 I help you?
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73 1 TSA: How you doing? This is Jeff with 2 TSA. We (inaudible).
3 HQO: TSA?
4 TSA: Yes.
5 HQO: The Transportation Safety?
6 TSA: Yes, sir.
7 HQO: Okay, go ahead.
8 TSA: Is there anything going on out at 9 Three Mile Island?
10 HQO: There is a significant media event 11 going on down there, but I can tell you right now that 12 right now there is no emergency at that site, and the 13 licensee has not reached the threshold of reporting to 14 the NRC yet.
15 TSA: Okay, so what's going on, a 16 significant what?
17 HQO: A media event. Apparently somebody 18 had made a phone call to the media that something was 19 going on at the plant, so they're on the plant site 20 interviewing folks and everything else over a - some 21 folks getting contaminated.
22 TSA: Okay, and nothing has been reported 23 to you?
24 HQO: Nope, nothing has reached the level 25 of reporting criteria for the licensee.
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74 1 TSA: Okay.
2 HQO: Okay?
3 TSA: All right. Thank you.
4 HQO: I assure if something of an 5 emergency nature happens down there we will call.
6 TSA: Okay. Thanks.
7 HQO: You're welcome.
8 (.Tape 19) 9 HQO: NRC Operations Center, this is a 10 recorded line, can I help you?
11 MR. HARTMAN: Is this the NRC Operations 12 Center?
13 HQO: It is, sir.
14 MR. HARTMAN: Great, my name is Brian 15 Hartman. I'm a producer at ABC News. I'm trying to 16 figure out if there is an on-call public affairs 17 officer.
18 HQO: Okay, what is your name, sir?
19 MR. HARTMAN: Sure, it's Brian Hartman, H-20 a-r-t-m-a-n.
21 HQO: H-a-r-t-m-a-n. You're from ABC 22 News?
23 MR. .HARTMAN: Yes, that's right.
24 HQO.: Could I have a call-back number for 25 you, sir?
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I, Yes, sir, MR. HARTMAN:
2 I'm calling about Three Mile Island. One 3 of our reporters up in that area, near Harrisburg, 4 said that they had heard that there was some sort of a 5 leak up there. I'm just trying to figure out whether 6 it's anything we should carry about or not.
7 HQO: Okay, sir. Just to let you know we 8 have no reports of any emergency here.
9 MR. HARTMAN: Okay.
10 HQO: But I can certainly put you in 11 contact with someone from Region 1 public affairs, 12 okay?
13 MR. HARTMAN: Okay, that'd be awesome.
14 HQO: And I'm going to try and reach 15 Diane Screnci,, just to give you a name.
16 MR. HARTMAN: Okay, how do you spell her 17 name just so I know?
18 HQO: S-c-r-e-n-c-i.
19 MR. HARTMAN: Awesome, thanks so much.
2 HQO: And she should get back in touch 21 with you hopefully sooner - do you have any kind of 22 deadline on this sir?
23 MR. HARTMAN: No, I mean we're on the air 2 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> a day. Basically at this point there is a 2 reporter from Harrisburg who says they're just NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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76 1 following up on a report. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BULLSHIT 2 OR SOMETHING REALLY HAPPENED. I just remember the last time 3 something like this happened, it was like pulling 4 teeth trying to get anything out of Exelon. So I just 5 don't know whether (inaudible).
6 HQO: All right, sir. Thanks for 7 calling, and yeah, we will get Diane or someone to 8 give you a call back then.
9 MR. HARTMAN: And the desk officers, the 10 people who called me before they called me also called 11 DHS and DOE, so the NOCs at those places know about it 12 as well, know that we're asking about it. If that 13 helps you.
14 HQO: Yes, it does. Thank you very much 15 for the info, and again, yeah, we will have Diane or 16 somebody get in contact with you. Thanks for the 17 call, Brian.
18 MR. HARTMAN: Bye.
19 HQO: Bye.
20 (Tape 21) 21 PARTICIPANT: National Operations, 22 communications, may I help you?
23 HQO: Yeah, this is Howie Crouch. I'm a 24 headquarters operations officer at the U.S. Nuclear 25 Regulatory Commission.
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77 1 PARTICIPANT: Yes, sir.
2 HQO: Is this the (inaudible).
3 PARTICIPANT: It is not. If you will 4 hold I will get her on line for you.
5 HQO: Thank you very much.
.6 (Pause) 7 MS. VESTAL: This is senior (inaudible),
8 Dr. Pam Vestal.
9 HQO: Hi, Pam, this is Howie Crouch from 10 headquarters office, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory i Commission.
12 MS. VESTAL: Hi, how are you doing?
13 HQO: Well, I understand you guys have 14 been getting all kinds of phone- traffic concerning 15 Three mile Island.
16 MS. VESTAL: Yes, we're still getting it, 17 and I'm trying to respond right 18 now.
19 HQO: Well, let me tell you what's going 20 on at Three Mile Island.
21 MS. VESTAL: Okay.
22 HQO: There were planned maintenance 23 activities. They are shut down for a refueling 24 outage.
25 MS. VESTAL: Okay.
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78 1 HQO: Inside containment there is a low 2 level contamination release.
3 MS. VESTAL: Okay.
4 HQO: And some workers have gotten their 5 clothing contaminated, things like that, and right now 6 they are leading them out and doing whole body counts.
7 It is not a significant occupational threat, and 8 things like that happen during an outage.
9 MS. VESTAL: Okay.
10 HQO: Been there and done that. Okay?
11 MS. VESTAL: Okay.
12 HQO: There is no threat to public health 13 and safety. The NRC is aware and is following 14 closely, and we are calling you because we are aware 15 it's a public (inaudible) event.
16 MS. VESTAL: Right.
17 HQO: But at this time no it does not 18 warrant any other federal reaction. NRC is not 19 activated or anything else like that. We've discussed 20 it, we're sending a senior resident out there to 21 figure out what's going on. The licensee is trying *to 22 figure out what is going on, so they can mitigate.
23 MS. VESTAL: Okay, well, for now I'm going 24 to just pass that information on and let us know if 25 anything changes.
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79 1 HQO: Okay, sure will.
2 MS. VESTAL: All right, thank you sir.
3 HQO: You're welcome.
4 (New call) 5 ANNOUNCEMENT: You have reached the 6 United States Department of Energy Operations Center.
7 Your call is being transferred to a DOE watch 8 officer.
9 DOE OFFICER:. (Inaudible) how may I help 10 you?
11 HQO: Yeah, I'm sorry, (inaudible).
12 DOE OFFICER: This is Thomas Yates.
13 HQO: Hey, Thomas Gates, this is Howie 14 - Crouch. I'm the headquarters operations officer, U.S.
15 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
16 DOE OFFICER: Yes, sir.
17 HQO: You guys called earlier and you are 18 probably getting phone calls about something happening 19 at TMI.
20 DOE OFFICER: Right.
21 HQO: Okay, TMI is in an outing, refueling 22 plant. That means the plant is shut down and they are 23 ýrefueling the reactor.
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80 1 actually they ate replacing components inside the 2 reactor. As normally happens, and could happen during 3 any maintenance activity, there is some airborne 4 contamination in containment.
5 DOE OFFICER: Okay. But it's nothing 6 major?
7 HQO: No, it's not a significant 8 occupational hazard. There is no public health and 9 safety issue here.
10 DOE OFFICER: No public health --
11 HQO: -- or safety.
12 DOE OFFICER: Or safety issue.
13 HQO: Safety, NRC is aware and following 14 closely.
15 DOE OFFICER: Okay, NRC is monitoring.
16 HQO: We are only calling you because we 17 know, we are aware it's a public interest event. And 18 no response from any other federal organization beyond 19 the NRC is warranted.
20 DOE OFFICER: Okay, no response --
21 HQO: No, response warranted.
22 DOE OFFICER: Got it.
23 HQO: All right?
24 DOE OFFICER: All right, thanks a lot.
25 Your name again?
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81 HQO: Howie, H-o-w-i-e Crouch C-r-o-u-c-h.
Have a good day.
DOE OFFICER: Yeah, you too, bye.
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TMI: (Inaudible) this is Marcie, how can I help?
HQO: Hi, Marcie, this is Howie Crouch.
I'm the headquarters operations officer, and I got a call earlier from your TSA surface phone concerning Three Mile Island.
TMI: Okay, hold on one minute.
HQO: All right, thanks.
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TMI: (Inaudible) headquarters, right?
HQO: Yeah, NRC headquarters.
TMI: When did you receive the call?
HQO: It was probably, oh gosh, it was probably 45 minutes ago.
TMI: Okay, hold on.
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MR. ROBERTS: This line is recorded.
Roberts, speaking.
HQO: Mr. Roberts, this is Howie Crouch.
I'm a headquarters operations officer at the U.S.
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82 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
MR. ROBERTS: Oh, yeah, I didn't call you.
You probably - you talked to the NICC.
HQO: No, I talked to TSA source (inaudible).
MR. ROBERTS: No, sir, I've been sitting in surface all night since 1800.
HQO: All right, somebody called me. But that is okay.
MR. ROBERTS: Fine, let me help you out if I can.
HQO: I was just going to give you information and close the loop.
HQO: Yeah, basically, no, you are right, it's TMI, Three-Mile Island.
MR. ROBERTS: Right.
HQO: That's in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
MR. ROBERTS: Right.
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83 1 containment they had a release of low level 2 contamination, and some folks working inside the 3 containment building got contaminated. It's not a 4 significant occupational hazard; I've been there and 5 done that. I used to work outages down in Turkey 6 Point. And there is no significant occupational 7 hazards, no public safety issues.
8 We are just letting you guys know because 9 there is public interest. The NRC is aware. We are 10 following the activities on site, and we --
11 MR. ROBERTS: Will NRC be getting a 12 report?
13 HQO: No, it's really a non-event.
14 MR. ROBERTS: That's what I figured it 15 was.
16 HQO: The only thing that makes it an 17 event is all the public interest.
18 MR. ROBERTS: That's what usually the 19 case.
20 HQO: That is correct, no safety event 21 here. No public health safety issue, no nothing, it's 22 all good. (Laughter) 23 MR. ROBERTS: Okay.
24 HQO: I'm from the government, I'm here to 25 help you.
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84 MR. ROBERTS: I know. I was trying to 2 figure out what they were talking about. Because you 3 can find anything in the media, one way or the other.
4 HQO: Yeah, well, Exelon, which is the 5 parent group, the owners, there is an issue of a press 6 release here, one of these days. But you are going 7 to hear (inaudible) ABC is all over the place down 8 there, and we're getting all kinds of phone calls from 9 media folks here, and everything else. The bottom 1 line is, there are some folks that got concerned about 11 it on site, started calling (b)(7)(A)media, starting calling 12 DOE, ;starting calling us.
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16 HQO: Wherever Harrisburg is.
17 MR. ROBERTS: Okay, Harrisburg.
18 HQO: Now Washington, D.C. is starting to 19 get involved because we are getting calls from them as 2 well.
21 MR. ROBERTS: Okay, but this is just a 22 routine maintenance action and a small release that 23 contaminated the suits but not the people?
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85 1 inside containment you wear a yellow anti (inaudible) 2 suit like you see these guys at (inaudible) or 3 whatever show. You 1ook like Big Bird going in there.
4 You got rubber gloves, all kind of stuff.
5 Contamination is just dirt, irradiated --
6 MR. ROBERTS: I know, I used to work in 7 chemical plants, and I know the suits.
8 HQO: Right, so it's the same suits *that 9 you guys used to wear in the chem plants.
10 MR. ROBERTS: You'd have to come out and 11 bathe anyway.
12 HQO: You'd come out, you'd take them off, 13 and you wear modesty shorts, stuff like that, and so 14 it's all good.
15 MR. ROBERTS: That's what they are talking 16 about.
17 HQO: That's it.
18 MR. ROBERTS: Just release on their 19 nominal protective uniforms. So there is no public 20 health and no - what was the other thing you said?
21 HQO: No, significant occupational health 22 issues, okay?
23 MR. ROBERTS: Okay, thank you so much.
24 HQO: Okay, goodbye.
25 (New call)
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86 1 HQO: This is U.S. NRC Operations, Coeur 2 d'Alene, may I help you?
3 PARTICIPANT: Yes, this is Sam 4 (inaudible), I'm calling from Region 1.
5 HQO: Yeah, hey Sam. Hey, Sam, can I put 6 you on hold just for a short second here for the other 7 line.
8 PARTICIPANT: You bet, thatý may be Region
.9 1 calling.
10 HQO: Okay, thank you.,
11 (New call) 12 HQO: Headquarters operations officer, how 13 may I help you?
14 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible.) can you tell 15 me (inaudible) office?
16 HQO: Okay, nobody is on the bridge right 17 now. Let's put him up there. We got (inaudible).
18 HQO: Okay, yeah, I'm going to put you up 19 there. Hold on.
20 HQO: Okay, Sam, my apologies, (inaudible) 21 Region 1 folks calling in.
22 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, we are going to add 23 to our bridge for the discussion on Three mile Island.
24 HQO: Yeah, we already started it up, and 25 I'll transfer you up there now.
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87 1 (Tape 23) 2 HQO: NRC Operations officer, operations 3 center, this is a recorded line. Can I help you?
4 PARTICIPANT: Hi, there. Yeah, this is 5 Brian at ABC. I just want to know if this is the 6 fella I talked to earlier.
7 HQO: Yes, it is, Brian.
8 MR. ROBERTS: I just wanted to give you 9 more details just in case this will help you. So this 10 is what my guys sent me, that ABC affiliate, WHTM in 11 Harrisburg, says a spokesman at the Three Mile Island 12 Nuclear Power Plant says 150 works are being 13 decontaminated-after, quote, a leak of some sort, at 14 Unit #1. And Unit #1 was shut down, (inaudible) no 15 threat to the public, and they'll send out a press 16 release shortly.
17 HQO: Okay, all right. All right, Brian, 18 I'm going to have somebody talk to you about that.
19 MR. ROBERTS: I'm just calling you because 20 (inaudible) and I just thought that would help you in 21 case, you know, sometimes the media picks up on stuff 22 before you do, so'just letting you know.
23 HQO: Yeah, certainly, and as you know, 24 there are all kinds of stories floating around before 25 the facts --
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88 1 MR. ROBERTS: I know, I was in the 2 military for four years, I heard three stories 3 (inaudible) around all this bullshit, so.
4 HQO: Well, hey, I appreciate the call on 5 that, and we'll pass that information along also. I 6 did pass along your contact information. Diane, she 7 is still talking to some other people right now, but 8 she does have your name and number.
9 MR. ROBERTS: I'm sure she'll get back.
10 Thanks so much, have a good night.
11 HQO: You too, goodbye.
12 (Tape 24) 13 NICC: NICC, Kevin Lee, how can I help 14 you?
15 HQO: Hey, Kevin, this is Howie Crouch.
16 I'm the headquarters operations officer at the U.S.
17 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
18 NICC: How are you doing, Mr. Howie?
19 HQO: I'm doing well, Mr. Lee. Here is 20 the deal. Just to. let you know, we wanted to follow 21 up about, I guess you called earlier about something 22 happening at TMI.
23 NICC: Right.
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89 1 call a refueling outage, what they call a refueling 2 outage, which they refuel the reactor.
3 NICC: Right.
4 HQO: And they do significant maintenance 5 work while they are shut down, and as sometimes 6 happens, there was some airborne contamination inside 7 the reactor building, and we call it containment.
8 NICC: Okay.
9 HQO: And as a consequence some folks 10 working inside the containment building got 11 contaminated.
12 NICC: Okay.
13 HQO: Now, right now, all their folks are 14 being monitored and going through whole body counts 15 and everything else. It's not a significant 16 occupational hazard nor is there any public health and 17 safety issue here. Theylve monitored it outside the 18 reactor building; no releases, no nothing.
19 NICC: Okay.
20 HQO: So what it is is, we understand 21 there is a significant public interest in it now, 22 because of the media and everything else.
23 NICC: Okay.
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90 1 following it with our staff in the region and on site, and there is no federal reaction - no federal actions 3 are required.
4 NICC: So tell me something then. There 5 were - there basically won't be any statements since 6 there were no -- this is sort of like an incident 7 non-incident. HQO: Yeah, it's a non-8 event.
9 NICC: Okay.
I0 HQO: This happened - I used to work 11 maintenance at a power plant. I worked for Florida 12 Power & Light, and I can't tell you how many times I 13 got crapped up working -inside containment. If you 14 wear these yellow suits, you look like Big Bird, when 15 you contaminate them they take them off, they wash 16 them, and you get out, you shower, you go through a 17 whole body counter, and you're done.
18 NICC: Okay.
19 HQO: Not a big deal.
20 NICC: Okay.
21 HQO: Okay?
22 NICC: All right, thank you so much.
23 HQO: All right, Mr. Lee.
24 NICC: All right, you have a nice night.
25 HQO: Same to you as well.
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91 (Tape 25) 2 HQO: NRC operations center, this is a 3 recorded line, can I help you?
4 PARTICIPANT: Yes, hi, this is Daryl 5 Roberts, Region 1. I'm trying to be connected to the 6 TMI group.
7 HQO: No bridge ongoing at this time, 8 Daryl, but I do have two other calls calling in.
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, this is probably for 10 the same call. It should be Dave Lew, Dan (inaudible) 11 calling, and others calling in.
12 HQO: Oh, a follow up conference?
13 PARTICIPANT: I don't know if it's a 14 follow up. It's an ongoing--
15 HQO: No, that's what I'm telling you, I'm 16 looking at my bridge, there is nobody on there. I 17 mean I could ask. Dave Lew was on there, he's gone 18 now. I mean I can transfer you up there, nobody is up 19 there.
20 okay, Dan is coming up too apparently, so 21 I'll transfer you up there, and you'll up there with 22 Sam, and I don't know if there is anybody that can 23 tell you anything at this point, but hold on.
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92 1 record line, how can I help you?
2 MS. SCRENCI: Hi, it's Diane Screnci.
3 HQO: Hi, Diane.
4 MS. SCRENCI: Can you tell me who the OPA 5 public affairs person on call is at headquarters?
6 HQO: Well, I told Eliot Brenner, but let 7 me see right now, it's the weekend, I forgot. I have 8 to remind myself it's Saturday. I'll find out here.
9 Yeah, I know Eliot just went out of the country.
10 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, he went to China or Japan or some place.
12 HQO: So this weekend is Yvonne Coret or 13 (pronouncing) Coret.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
15 HQO: Okay?
16 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, thanks.
17 HQO: Okay, býre.
18 (End) 19 MR. ROBERTS: Is anyone else on? This is 20 TMI-27 21 Darrell Roberts.
22 MR. LEW: Hi, Darrell. This is Dave. I'm 23 on the line.
24 MR. ROBERTS: How are you doing, Dave?
25 MR. COLLINS: This is Sam.
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93 MR. LEW: Yeah. Hi, Sam.
2 MR. COLLINS: How are you doing?
3 Darrell, Dave at (inaudible) was going to 4 call me and update me on TMI, and I mentioned to him 5 that you had called earlier, so he went ahead and 6 imposed on the -- on the HOO to set up a bridge on 7 this.
8 So is the duty officer on the line?
9 (No response.)
10 I guess not. So --
11 PARTICIPANT: This is the headquarters 12 operations officer. The Region I duty officer is not 13 here, but the headquarters ops officer is. Do you 14 want me to 15 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Dave, did you want 16 John White or the Region I duty officer on the line, 17 or not?
18 MR. LEW: No, we don't need them. We had 19 them on a call earlier before I gave --
20 MR. COLLINS: I see.
21 MR. LEW: -- you a call. So we have had 22 -- we have had a call. We also had the licensee on 23 the line, so we -- we understand somewhat of what has 24 occurred and what the next steps are.
25 MR. COLLINS: Okay, fine.
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94 1 MR. 'LEW: I think at this point the 2 briefing is just for you and Darrell.
3 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I understand.
4 MR. LEW: Okay. Let me start from the 5 beginning. The issue here deals with a contamination 6 event -- event in the TMI containment, which started 7 about 1600 today. The contamination event is -- I 8 would call it not significant in terms of impact on 9 individuals, but there were a lot of individuals in 10 containment, greater than 100.
11 And also, recollect that there is 12 currently a cold cut in containment for the steam 13 generator replacement. While this event was not a 14 significant personnel hazard or an impact on public 15 health and safety, it has turned into a potential 16 media event.
17 We understand that there is -- ABC is 18 onsite engaging TMI. There are some other news 19 organizations who heard of some issues. The licensee 20 has reached out to the state, the local authorities, 21 and the press, and they are issuing a press release.
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95 1 ongoing cuts of the Bravo loop in preparation to 2 replace' the steam generator. There was a number of 3 other activities, and at this point the licensee has 4 not made a direct correlation or link to specific 5 activity causing the airborne contamination.
6 The airborne contamination did cause the 7 alarms to go off for a number of rad monitors. The 8 licensee evacuated containment. There are over 100 9 people who are being processed out, a number of folks 10 long before we monitored, as they were exiting. Those 11 folks who alarmed the portal monitor, they were 12 evaluated for whole body counts.
13 There may have been some internal intakes.
14 At this point, about 10 people so far, but there are 15 still people going through the portal monitors to see 16 whether or not they were contaminated.
17 The estimated intake is, *for most of the 18 folks who were internally contaminated, was in the 19 range of 10 to 16 millirem, so relatively low doses.
20 The licensee did stop all activity. The 21 maximized ventilation to minimize any -- any outward 22 movement of air through the openings. They did take 23 samples around the containment and did not identify 24 any positive samples for contamination.
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96 1 airflow outside of the openings. They are going to 2 evaluate that, but that's going to be some very low 3 levels of -- a small fraction of what the OCD numbers 4 would be, but they will be evaluating that.
5 The'licensee still continues to be in the 6 assessment stage. They have teams of HPs in the 7 containment doing surveys. The contamination is 8 documented in terms of the levels, as I understand, 9 but they need to understand what caused the -- the 10 airborne activity. So that's ongoing.
11 What we've heard today was that there is a 12 number of media outlets that have caught wind of this.
13 They also called to the licensee. There have been 14 some calls also to DHS as well. And so some of the --
15 some of our sister agencies have been contacting us.
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97 1 significance and context of this event. We have Nancy 2 McNamara reaching out to the state, as well as OCA.
3 As I indicated, the PAO is prepared to 4 take questions at this point. We also will have the 5 HOO send out a -- send out an e-mail to the key 6 management to provide an update of this event and what 7 the next steps are.
8 Next steps -- and so let me pause here for 9 some questions on the event.
10 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Dave, I have a 11 couple. But is this an ongoing this? Is this an 12 ongoing event, or was it secured, or what is the 13 status of it?
14 MR. LEW: They have stopped all.-- they 15 have stopped all work activities in -- in containment.
16 Therefore, any -- any activity causing airborne 17 contamination has stopped. They have also maximized 18 the ventilation to. minimize any air outflow from the 19 containment.
20 PARTICIPANT: Were they able to put up 21 anything to secure the hole, or to close the hole in 22 containment while this was being -- while this was 23 ongoing or before they evacuated, or afterwards?
24 MR. LEW: No. You know, not that I'm 25 aware of at this point.
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98 1 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Dave, so I guess if I 2 I'm listening to that, I'm -- what I'm hearing is 3 that there is no ongoing release? This was a one-time 4 -- huh?
5 MR. LEW: Yes. This is considered a 6 contamination event versus really any radiological 7 release. And so there may have been some small 8 fraction of airborne contamination that has gone 9 outside of containment, and they'll evaluate that.
10 But it's not an impact on the public health and 11 safety.
12 PARTICIPANT: Okay. But you indicated 13 that there'were alarms inside containment?
14 MR. LEW: Yes, there was airborne 15 contamination along -- inside containment, and in 16 response to that they did evacuate the containment.
17 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And those alarms have 18 cleared?
19 MR. LEW: I do not know the status of 20 those alarms, whether they have cleared or not.
21 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
22 MR. LEW: I'll have to follow-up on that.
23 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Are we -- I'm just 24 testing based on what I'm hearing, so do we know for 25 sure that there's not an ongoing release?
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99 1 MR. LEW: I believe we -- I believe that 2 there is not an ongoing release, because they secured 3 all activities. And the monitors -- they have 4 maximized ventilation, and they have taken samples 5 outside of containment that was negative.
6 PARTICIPANT: Oh, that -- okay. So that's 7 as far as external to containment. But how about 8 inside containment?
9 MR. LEW: Inside containment they do have 10 individuals that are in containment, and those are the 11 HP folks still in containment taking swipes and trying 12 to assess the radiological conditions in containment.
13 The people that have left containment, have 14 evacuated, are being monitored through radiation 15 portal monitors, and those which are alarming the 16 monitors are getting whole body counts.
17 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Dave, they didn't 18 meet any EAL criteria for this when they evacuated 19 containment?
20 MR. LEW: I don't believe that there was 21 any EAL -- EAL that would have been met. This is --
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100 in containment that we have seen in the past.
2 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. I guess what Bill is 3 asking -- Dave, this is Sam -- is -- and I think every 4 site is a little different, and I'm not sure where we 5 are with the NEI criteria or not, but whether or not 6 they met an EAL due to their having to evacuate a 7 space because of a radiological concern.
8 MR. LEW: Well, I'll follow-up on that. I 9 will verify that EALs are not met, but I understand --
10 I understand the question. I don't believe at this ii point that there would be any EALs that would have 12 been met. But I will confirm that.
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And did we have a 14 resident onsite? Or do we have a resident onsite?
15 MR. LEW: We do not have a resident -- the 16 resident is at home. We do not have a resident onsite 17 right now. We are trying to -- we are contacting Ron 18 Nimitz, and John White may also go out to the site 19 tomorrow. We will also be getting support. Dave 20 Curran is on annual leave, but Dave Spendler is coming 21 from Beaver Valley and will be onsite. And we're 22 trying to get him onsite early in the morning.
23 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So is there a 24 resident in the area right now, Dave?
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101 area right now.
2 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And he is not on his 3 way to the site?
MR. LEW: He is -- he is not on his way to the site. We can revisit that, but the thought was at 6 this point there is a number of things that we need to 7 confirm. However, we do not think at this point it 8 was necessary for him to go through. We can revisit 9 that, Sam.
1 MR. COLLINS: Okay. All right. Why don't 11 we go ahead and proceed with the briefing. We can 12 come back to that.
13 MR. LEW: Sure. Right now --
1 MR. COLLINS: Before you go, Dave, 1 Darrell, did you have any other questions?
16 MR. ROBERTS: No. Go ahead, Dave. Yeah, 17 I just received a briefing, and I can maybe ask some, 18 or maybe they will be answered later.
19 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Go ahead, Dave.
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102 1 We talked to the licensee. The licensee 2 indicated that there was not, but what we will do in 3 the morning -- what we were (inaudible) in the morning 4 (inaudible) to assure that, if all of the processing 5 (inaudible) the inspectors limits and also (inaudible) 6 to follow-up on the issues and make sure that they 7 were confirmed, that there was no other types of 8 contamination extended through the containment. That 9 would seem consistent with what the licensee had 10 reported, that they took swipes and did not find any 11 contamination.
12 Okay. I lost track of other -- other 13 things that we were going to do here. I think I 14 covered our external communications at this point, as 15 well as internal. Ron andhis staff sent us an e-mail 16 to (inaudible) senior managers.
17 I think at this point we -- we've got a 18 copy of the press release. And I have not seen it, 19 but Diane has seen a copy of the press release. And 20 that should be issued shortly, and hopefully that will 21 diffuse some of the information that is out there.
22 So let me -- I think that's about what I 23 have to share at this point. And maybe the questions 24 will generate some things that I may have missed.
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103 1 had is: when did -- when did this occur? And when 2 did we first hear about it, you know? Because it 3 sounds like there has been a lot of activity.
4 You know, Diane has been involved, has 5 seen a press release. It sounds like this has been 6 ongoing, you know, for a longer period of time than I 7 assumed, because I just *got a call from John about 15 8 maybe 30 minutes ago, and I assumed it was a more 9 recent event.
I0 MR. LEW: Yeah. I do not I do not -- I 11 have not gone, at this point, into a timeline 12 (inaudible). But I understand why -- why that 13 timeline took place. But I understand 1600 was when 14 this first occurred.
15 I understand that the resident inspector 16 was notified at 7:30 this evening. And I do not -- I 17 got a quick call from Phil Nowell (phonetic), I think 18 it was about 10:00, a little bit after 10:00, 10:05, 19 10:10, at which point I touched base with Ron, and I 20 got pulled into the *conference call that proceeded 21 (inaudible).
22 I do not know when we started getting the 23 media attention on this event, so I must defer to that 24 -- (inaudible) has said (inaudible) of that timeline.
25 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Dave.
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104 MR. LEW: You know, we'll sort through 2 their timeline.
3 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So --
MR. McDERMOTT: Dave and Sam, this is Brian McDermott. I just want to let you know, I have given you, guys -- I was talking to the HOO and they 7 let me. know that you guys were having a follow-up call.
9 MR. LEW: Okay. That's fine.
1 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry. Brian? Brian 1 McDermott?
12 MR. McDERMOTT: Yes, Sam.
13 MR. COLLINS: Hey, Brian. How are you 1 doing?
1 MR. McDERMOTT: All right.
16 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I'm sorry. Brian was 17 on the original, call that was somewhere about 10:00.
1 We also had Ray McKinley, Nancy McNamara, Diane 19 Screnci, John White, Ron Bellamy, and Javier Brand, 2 and myself.
2 PARTICIPANT:
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10 I would want Bruce to be on board with 11 that call, but I think -- I received an e-mail from' 12 Bruce on the Blackberry that Mike Johnson was acting 13 starting I believe it's this weekend, if I have that 14 right. Maybe it's -- so I know Bruce is out of town, 15 and he may not want to get involved in this. But I 16 think Mike Johnson is the Acting DEDR for today.
17 So what I would recommend is we get -- we 18 get Mike on -- Mike on the line through the HOO, and 19 then, Dave, we're going to have to get through a 20 couple of issues here to make sure that we're all on 21 board. And one would be whether or not they met the 22 unusual event criteria, and I think since they didn't 23 declare one I think the answer is, although we have to 24 understand the basis of that, that -- the other 2 question is whether or not there is ongoing release NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., NW.
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3 And it may be a little premature to know 4 that for sure, but we need to understand whether or 5 not there's an ongoing release inside containment.
6 MR. LEW: I think -- I think we really 7 want to get some other folks on the line as well. If 8 we have some follow-up questions, we will try and get 9 hold of. the outage shift manager, who is -- I have his 10 name. It's Jim Kidman (phonetic). So we'll try and 11 get that -- try and get those questions answered as 12 well.
13 MR. COLLINS: And then, we need to I think 14 be sure that Diane and OCA are prepared to answer any 15 questions that may come up in the morning or tonight 16 to keep this" in perspective. I'm not sure of the 17 exact circumstances, but we need to be sure that 18 people get the right information and keep it in 19 perspective.
20 So if there is -- I guess what I'm 21 thinking, Dave, if there is any connotation of a 22 question of whether or not there is still a release 23 inside containment, then we need to be headed into the 24 office. If it's -- if the release is terminated, and 25 they know the basis for that, and containment is clear NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., NW.
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107 1 and they are just processing people out, and it's 2 contamination with uptake that can be quantified, then 3 I think that can be dealt with.
4 But I-- I think we might want to consider 5 whether we need somebody going into the site in the 6 outage control center to be sure that we understand 7 what's going on. So is there a connection that we can 8 make inside the site there with the outage control 9 manager or some other level that you've talked to 1 already to get-the answers to those questions?
11 MR. LEW: Yes, there is. .And I think who 12 has the -- the headquarters operations officer does 13 have the number of the individual.
14 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So -- so why don't we 15 get him on the line, Dave, and I think you have the 16 list of questions. I'd prefer that you lead the 17 questioning.
18 MR. LEW: Yes.
19 MR. COLLINS: I'll take this right now as 20 a DRP lead on the -- on the circumstances. Darrell, 21 you're okay with that?
22 MR. ROBERTS: Yes. Yeah, I'm okay with 23 that, Sam. Of course, if we have any -- if.you need 24 any support for that, Dave, we have folks that will be 25 available to support it.
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108 1 MR. COLLINS: Is John -- John White has 2 been involved in these calls before?
3 MR. LEW: Yes. John was on the call as 4 well -- as well as Ron Bellamy, and I will try and get 5 them on as well. So that's the last call, and help me 6 out here, Brian. If that's -- if the last call was 7 they terminated all activities, and that there was not 8 -- and maybe we did not ask the question specifically, 9 but it was strongly inferred that there was not an 10 ongoing release.
11 PARTICIPANT: Yes, Dave. That's correct.
12 They did clearly state that they had stopped all work 13 in the containment, that the HP techs that went inside 14 were wearing respiratory protection, they were doing 15 surveys, but so far they have not identified any areas 16 that were significantly above the contamination 17 identified during prior surveys. So they were 18 resurveying a bunch of areas, trying to narrow down 19 where the actual airborne event may have been 20 initiated.
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So the alarms have 22 cleared?
23 PARTICIPANT: They did not specifically 24 say that, Sam. So I -- it's hard to say.
25 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I understand.
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109 1 MR. LEW: And the levels -- the levels, as 2 I understand, of the airborne was not -- was higher 3 but not extraordinarily high. I can remember the --
4 of 2 DAC, and near the opening .2 DAC, which is 5 relatively low.
6 So it is -- and one of the questions which 7 John White asked, you know, it's not whether or not 8 it's significantly different than the normal 9 conditions in containment were. It sounded like it 10 was not much of a difference.
1 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Well, you know, my 12 instincts -- and I certainly would ask anyone to help 13 me here -- but my instincts are that at the crack of 14 dawn tomorrow morning there is going to have to. be an 15 NRC spokesman who speaks to this event, if not before, 16 who is -- who is readily up to speed on the 17 information who can either confirm or not the 18 licensee's information, it being Three Mile Island, 19 and it being radiological, and it being a potential 20 release outside containment.
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110 1 help by getting the outage manager on the line, so we 2 can understand the technical circumstances, and then 3 whoever we need to talk to within Exelon to be sure we 4 know what's going on with the press and the media, I 5 think that would be helpful before we decide what to 6 do next.
7 MR. LEW: I understand.
8 MR. COLLINS: And then, if we can get Mike 9 Johnson on the line, so he can get -- or at least 10 invite him to the briefing, because I think we may 11 want to consider to do a TA brief tonight, just *to be 12 sure everybody is up to speed, so they don't read 13 about it in the paper in the morning without being 14 aware. We can do that after -- after the briefing 15 with the licensee as long as we're prepared to get 16 Mike up to speed or before it gets too late.
17 MR. LEW: Yeah. And I -- John White was 18 calling during this phone call trying to reach me. So 19 I will reconnect with him, or we can just -- maybe 20 just get him on the line for this phone call.
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Maybe we could ask 22 the HOO -J and, I'm sorry, I don't have the name of 23 the HOO, but if we could ask the HOO to connect Mike 24 Johnson to the bridge.
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ill 1 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 2 is a recorded line. How may I help you?
3 PARTICIPANT: Hey, yeah. This is -- this 4 is Sanford Lee. I work at the NICC, and I just wanted 5 to make sure that we got a good understanding between 6 the Surface Group and NICC, because I think if you 7 called over to the Surface Group I was the one that 8 called you for the NICC, not the Surface Group people.
9 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
10 PARTICIPANT: Were you just talking to --
11 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I talked to somebody 12 over there.
13 PARTICIPANT: Okay, yeah. Well 14 PARTICIPANT: And I told them the same 15 thing I told you.
16 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Well, I'm with the --
17 he just wanted to make sure we got it right, because 18 he thought that you -- the way you were telling him 19 was the Surface Group had called in.
20 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Well, okay, yeah.
21 But then, somebody had called and said they were TSA 22 Surface Group, and so I called TSA TSOC. Okay.
23 PARTICIPANT: NICC is who called you.
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112 1 much.
2 PARTICIPANT: All right. Not a problem.
3 PARTICIPANT: Bye-bye.
4 PARTICIPANT: Bye.
5 TMI-28_5 6 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 7 is a recorded line. How may I help you?
8 MS. SNYDER: Hi. I'm trying to reach 9 Diane Screnci. Is she available?
10 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Who am I speaking to?
11 MS. SNYDER: Jill Snyder at ABC Radio New 12 York.
13 PARTICIPANT: And, Jill, what I 'Ill do is 14 I'll get Diane -- your information to Diane.
15 MS. SNYDER: Okay.
16 PARTICIPANT: And you're with ABC Radio.
17 MS. SNYDER: ABC Radio New York, and the 18 number is 1-800-999-1222.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Jill, I copied 1-800-20 999-1222.
21 MS. SNYDER: Yes.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And I'll give Diane 23 that.
24 MS. SNYDER: Thanks so much.
25 PARTICIPANT: All right. Thanks.
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113 1 MS. SNYDER: Okay. Thank you. Bye.
2 TMI-29 3 PARTICIPANT: Hi.
4 PARTICIPANT: This is Tom again, Bob. We 5 haven't finished all of our log entries, but this --
6 (Phone ringing.)
7 PARTICIPANT: what happened?
8 PARTICIPANT: Hold on. What --
9 PARTICIPANT: Inside containment --
10 (Phone ringing.)
11 They don't know. They didn't know.
12 mean, it --
13 (Phone ringing.)
14 -- the piping.
15 MR. BELLAMY: Hello?
16 PARTICIPANT: They were doing --
17 MR. KOCH: Yeah. Hi, Ron?
18 MR. BELLAMY: Yes.
19 MR. KOCH: This is Howie Koch, 20 Headquarters Ops 21 MR. BELLAMY: Hi.
22 MR. KOCH: Hey, Sam Collins requested 23 presence on the bridge. I'm going to transfer you up.
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114 1 transferred up.
2 TMI-29_1 3 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 4 is a recorded line. How may I help you?
5 MR. ROBERTS: Yes, hi. This is Darrell 6 Roberts. I just got disconnected from the TMI call 7 with Sam Collins.
8 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Darrell. I will 9 transfer you back up. And just so you're aware, I did 10 get a hit on -- ABC News has already got something out 11 on the web.
12 MR. ROBERTS: Okay. I'm about to check 13 the web myself.
14 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I did Google News.
15 MR. ROBERTS: Okay. I did the same 16 earlier and didn't see anything. Can you do me a 17 favor and also reach John White and connect him to 18 this bridge?
19 PARTICIPANT: John White coming up on the 20 bridge as well. I'll get John White.
21 MR. ROBERTS: Okay. Thanks a lot.
22 PARTICIPANT: All right. I'll transfer 23 you up now.
24 MR. ROBERTS: Thanks a lot.
25 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh, sir.
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115 1 TMI-29_2 2 MR. WHITE: John White.
3 MR. KOCH: Hi, John. Howie Koch, 4 Headquarters Operations Officer.
5 MR. WHITE: Yeah.
6 MR. KOCH: Mr. Darrell Roberts requests 7 your presence on the bridge with him, Sam Collins, and 8 more, concerning Three Mile Island.
9 MR. WHITE: Okay.
10 MR. KOCH: Are you aware of Three Mile 11 Island?
12 MR. WHITE: Yeah.
13 MR. KOCH: Okay. I'll transfer you up 14 now.
15 MR. WHITE: Okay. I know he said 16 (inaudible).
17 MR. KOCH: Okay. I'm going to go ahead 18 and transfer you.
19 MR. WHITE: Okay.
20 TMI-29_3 21 MR. BELLAMY: Hi. This is Ron Bellamy.
22 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Ron.
23 PARTICIPANT: Darrell and (inaudible) and 24 Mike Johnson.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
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116 1 PARTICIPANT: We are getting a briefing 2 and catching up on the events at TMI 1, and --
3 FEMALE VOICE: Hello. You have reached 4 the Johnsons. We're unable to come to the phone right 5 now, but if you'd leave us a brief message, we'll call 6 you back. Thank you.
7 PARTICIPANT: I guess what we're going to 8 try to do is do a briefing --
9 PARTICIPANT: Mr. Johnson, Headquarters 10 Operations Officer with the NRC. It's about 11 11:44 p.m. on November 21st. Region I, Sam Collins, 12 asked me to contact you to give you a briefing on an 13 issue at TMI. Give us a call back here in the Ops 14 Center at 301-816 --
15 TMI-30 16 MR. SNYDER: This is Headquarters Ops 17 Officer. Can I help you?
18 MR. COLLINS: Yes, sir. Thank you. This 19 is Sam Collins from Region I.
20 MR. SNYDER: Yes, sir.
21 MR. COLLINS: And we're in the midst of an 22 internal briefing right now from Region I, and we have 23 Brian McDermott on the line from NSIR on the Three 24 Mile Island 1 internal contamination event inside 25 containment.
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117 1 And I understand that Mike Johnson is 2 acting for Bruce Mallet today, and I would like to get 3 Mike Johnson on the line, so we can brief him to 4 consider whether or not we need a TA brief.
5 MR. SNYDER: All right, sir. I will call 6 Mr. Johnson and let you know when I'm putting him up 7 on the bridge.
8 MR. COLLINS: All right. Thank you. And 9 who am I talking to, please?
10 MR. SNYDER: This is Pete Snyder.
11 MR. COLLINS: Pete Snyder?
12 MR. SNYDER: Yes, sir.
13 MR. COLLINS: All right, Pete. Thanks for 14 your help tonight.
15 MR. SNYDER: You're welcome.
1 MR. LEW: Steve, this is Dave Lew. When 17 you -- after you have gotten hold of Mike Johnson, can 18 you also try and get hold of Ron Bellamy as well?
19 Steve, are you still there?
20 PARTICIPANT: It's Pete. It's Pete, P as 21 in Peter.
22 MR. SNYDER: Yes, this is Pete. I'm here.
23 MR. LEW: Yes. Pete, after you've gotten 24 hold of Mike Johnson, can you also get hold of Ron 25 Bellamy and have him join the bridge as well?
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118 1 MR. SNYDER: All right, sir. I will get 2 hold of Ron Bellamy also.
3 MR. LEW: Thank you.
4 TMI-30_1 5 PARTICIPANT: Hello?
6 PARTICIPANT: Mr. Johnson, please. This 7 is the NRC calling.
8 PARTICIPANT: Yes, one moment. Hold on.
9 PARTICIPANT: I'm calling Mike Johnson 10 right now, Pete. I've got him on -- hey, Pete?
11 MR. JOHNSON: Hello?
12 PARTICIPANT: I just talked to his wife.
13 Oh, you have him on the line right there?
14 PARTICIPANT: Yes, I --
15 MR. JOHNSON: Mike Johnson.
16 PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry, Mr. Johnson. Are 17 you already talking to an ops officer?
18 MR. JOHNSON: No, I'm not.
19 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay. I'm sorry. All 20 right. I'm sorry. This is the NRC Operations Center.
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119 1 you on the bridge to talk to you about it.
2 MR. JOHNSON: Okay.
3 PARTICIPANT: All right. I'm going to 4 transfer you.
5 TMI-31 6 PARTICIPANT: Dave, are you pursuing the 7 outage manager on a separate line, or --
8 MR. LEW: I was -- no. No, I have -- I 9 was not. I did not write down his telephone number.
10 I think that he has the number in hand, so as soon as 11 you (inaudible) get in touch with (inaudible), the 12 outage manager.
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Is -- how far away is 14 the resident inspector from the site, Dave?
15 MR. LEW: About an hour.
16 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry?
17 MR. LEW: I think he lives about an hour 18 -- no, less than an hour. He's at home.
19 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And was he onsite --
20 was he onsite today?
21 MR. LEW: He was onsite today, yes.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
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120 1 evening. This is Sam and Dave and Darrell and Brian 2 McDermott and soon -- soon Mike Johnson we think.
3 MR. BELLAMY: Okay.
4 MR. COLLINS: And we are getting a 5 briefing and catching up with the event at TMI 1. And 6 we have a couple questions we need to run down before 7 we decide next steps.
8 And I think what we're going to try to do 9 is do a briefing of Mike Johnson based on what we know 10 right now and determine, before it gets too late, 11 whether or not we need to do a TA brief based on the 12 potential media significance of the event.
13 And then, we have a few questions we want 14 to pursue concerning some quantification of whether or 15 not there is an ongoing release inside containment, 16 and whether or not the alarms have cleared, and then 17 some questioning around whether or not there were 18 circumstances which warranted an unusual event, and 19 then try to anticipate our response and whether or not 20 we need the resident inspector to go in there tonight, 21 so that we can be prepared first thing in the morning 22 for any questioning we may get by the media 23 stakeholders or elected o'fficials.
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121 as far as I know, is that ABC was either onsite or going to the site.
MR. BELLAMY: ABC report went to the training center on Route 441, and they spoke to Ralph DeSantis, their Public Affairs Officer.
E MR. COLLINS: Okay. About what time was that?
E MR. BELLAMY: I don't know the timing of S
that.
1C MR. COLLINS: Sometime this afternoon?
14 MR. BELLAMY: No. No, it was sometime 1 this evening. I imagine that was close to 9:00, 9:00 13 to 10:00.
MR. COLLINS: Okay. Was that a local 1 affiliate, do you know, Ron?
MR. BELLAMY: Ye S, it was.
i'7 PARTICIPANT: I1r. Collins, Mr. Johnson 12 should be on the bridge.
MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thank you.
2C Mike, good evening. This is Sam.
21 MR. JOHNSON: Hi, Sam. How are you doing?
22 MR. COLLINS: I'm doing well, thank you.
23 MR. JOHNSON: Good.
24 MR. COLLINS: I understand, Mike, you're 2E acting for Bruce, is that correct?
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122 1 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, that's correct.
2 MR. COLLINS: All right. Thanks for 3 coming up online. Mike, we have a number of people on 4 the line. I was just talking to Ron Bellamy, who is 5 the Branch Chief for Three Mile Island, Unit 1, which 6 is down in an outage, as you may know. We have 7 containment (inaudible) open for a steam generator 8 replacement.
9 Also on the line is Darrell Roberts, the 10 DRS Division Director, Dave Lew representing DRP, and 11 Brian McDermott with NSIR, and we have Pete Snyder 12 helping us on the HOO line.
13 And what we wanted to do, Mike, is give 14 you a rundown, which I will ask Dave, with the help of 15 Ron, to do, on the on an event inside containment, 16 we believe, although it has some quantification for an 17 external release. But we'll try to put that in 18 perspective during the brief.
19 We think this may primarily be a media 20 event, but it does have some personal contamination 21 and potential uptakes involved. And we're going to 22 circle back through and try to understand a couple of 23 questions we have about whether or not there is an 24 ongoing release, which we believe is not taking place, 25 but we need to clarify that, and whether or not the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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123 licensee met the unusual event criteria, which since 2 they did not declare, we are presuming at this point 3 they did not, but we want to confirm it.
4 MR. JOHNSON: Okay.
MR. COLLINS: So, Dave, do you want to 6 start off? And we'll let you take the lead, and you 7 can call on whoever you need to do the brief.
8 MR. LEW: Okay. Thanks. Let me go ahead 9 and give you a little back of background on where the 10 plant is, Mike. The plant is currently in an outage.
11 This is a steam generator replacement outage for 12 Three Mile Island. They do have a hole that is cut in 13 containment for the movement of the old steam 14 generators out and the new ones in. At the time of 15 the event, the small hole steam generator cutting was 16 (inaudible) or cutting out various points in the 17 reactor coolant loops to facilitate the replacement.
18 At about 1600 today, 4:00 p.m., they 19 received a number of rad monitor alarms in 20 containment. In response to those rad monitor alarms, 21 they evacuated everyone from containment. There were 22 over 100 people that were in containment working at 23 the time.
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124 1 cleared the portal monitors, but there were people who 2 did not clear the portal monitors. Those folks were, 3 in fact, contaminated. They were taken to do whole 4 body counts.
5 The whole body counts would indicate 6 somewhere between 10 to 15 millirem of intake, 7 relatively low levels. But there was -- there was a 8 line that was backed up of folks trying to clear out 9 of the portal monitors.
10 The ventilation system at the time was 11 such that there was a slight air flow going out of 12 containment. The licensee secured all activities, and 13 they maximized the ventilation to minimize any air 14 flow out of containment. They did take surveys 15 outside of containment and did not identify any 16 contamination.
17 The levels that were reported in the 18 containment were -- airborne levels were up to two 19 DAC, but near the opening of the containment about 20 .2 DAC.
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125 1 state through local -- local authorities, and I 2 believe they reach out to the press as well.
3 And currently there is a local affiliate 4 of ABC at the site, was at the site this evening.
5 They may still be there at the Training Center.
6 We have also received other calls from 7 news outlets, but PAO is reaching out -- speaking with 8 one of them. We also have received a number of 9 inquiries from some of our sister agencies, and the 1 (inaudible) should have reached out to them as well to 1 provide a perspective on the events that have 12 occurred, (b) (7) (A) 13 (b)(7)(A) 20 We, at this point, have touched base with 21 our state liaison officers, reaching out to the state 22 and to others, as we were trying to look back at some 23 of the othei issues. As Sam indicated, there are 24 still a number of questions, which we wanted to follow 25 up with (inaudible) the licensee online, (inaudible)
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126 on the internet, and answer any questions that you may 2 have.
3 So let me pause there, Mike, and see if 4 you have any questions.
5 MR. COLLINS: Before we do that, Ron 6 Bellamy, did you have anything else to add based on 7 your knowledge?
8 MR. BELLAMY: The only thing I would add 9 is that I did confirm with Nancy McNamara that she has i0 spoken to the state. And Javier Brand, the resident 11 inspector, is not onsite as we speak, but he is 12 available if we want him to go back. When we had John 13 White on the phone, he indicated that he was assessing 14 specialist availability to help us out tomorrow 15 onsite.
16 MR. WHITE: Yeah, this is John.
17 MR. BELLAMY: Oh, hi, John.
18 MR. WHITE: I'm on the phone now.
19 MR. BELLAMY: Thanks.
20 PARTICIPANT: Hi, John.
21 MR. WHITE: At the time, we did -- we have 22 contacted the shift RPM who is on -- who is on duty 23 tonight. He talked to Ron Nimitz, and he indicates 24 that there was no decon activity in process tonight.
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127 1 honing of the core flood piping in preparation for a 2 welled inlay that Ron believes is probably the most 3 likely source of contamination that is down in the 4 D-ring area.
5 And he -- the RPM says that it is mostly 6 short-lived activities, which would, you know, help 7 reinforce that -- that belief. But there is nothing
- 8 conclusive yet.
9 The technician -- the people that came out 10 of containment, as Ron -- as Dave reported, were 11 running from about .2 to about 16 millirem. Sixteen 12 16 millirem exposure has been the highest so far, but 13 that's -- that may be internal, but it is probably 14 likely right now to be a combination of internal and 15 also external contamination. So that still needs to 16 be resolved a little bit more as the licensee 17 continues with their whole body counting process.
18 Right now, myself and Ron Nimitz are going 19 to meet at the office tomorrow morning about 9:30, and 20 we are making preparations to go to the site tomorrow.
21 MR. ROBERTS: Hey, John, let me just add 22 to that. This is Darrell Roberts. I have been 23 checking the internet. It looks like there is an 24 article from ABC News on this. It was updated about 25 10 minutes ago on their website. Radiation leak at NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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128 1 Three Mile Island, and they quoted Diane Screnci, our 2 Public Affairs Officer, as well as a spokesman for 3 TMI, about the evacuation.
4 They reported that about 150 people that 5 were inside containment -- they said in the reactor, 6 but it was inside containment obviously -- ahd that 7 100 people were contaminated, although they were 8 wearing protective suits. And then they go on to 9 characterize it as not appearing to be a threat to the 10 health and safety of the public, and that as of 11 11:00 p.m the Exelon spokesman told a local radio 12 station in Harrisburg that all the workers had been 13 decontaminated by that point, as of 11:00 p.m.
14 And that's about the extent of it. Not 15 much of an article, but it does show that it has 16 already been given some press coverage here.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay. John, have you seen 18 the press release by the licensee?
19 MR. WHITE: No, I have not.
20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. You have not? Okay.
21 All right. Is that --
22 MR. McDERMOTT: Sam, this is Brian. It is 23 -- actually, Diane put it out on e-mail.
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129 1 sounds, you know -- sounds pretty good, though.
2 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
3 PARTICIPANT: It's what we understand.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yes. They specifically indicate no contamination was found outside the 6 containment building. Radiological survey showed that 7 the contamination was confined to surfaces inside the 8 containment building.
9 PARTICIPANT: Yes. When Ron talked to 10 them tonight about -- in fact, just about half an hour 11 ago, you know, they were still in the process of doing 12 surveys. So, you know, this is -- it's all 13 preliminary information, because that you know, 14 they are still collecting data. And Ron indicated 15 that they are still counting, doing whole body counts.
16 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Ron, I have your 17 e-mail I think of 11 -- I've just opened up my 18 Blackberry here -- of 11:38.
19 MR. BELLAMY: That was a summary of what 2 we knew about an hour and a half ago or so.
21 MR. COLLINS: I have Diane's press release 22 here. I haven't opened it up yet, though. And then 23 there's the HOO highlight at 11:48.
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130 1 night -- is to get a read on whether or not you 2 believe we need to do a TA brief tonight. There's an 3 AP article -- I think it was a local affiliate, but 4 I'm not sure who is going to pick it up -- if we 5 should do a TA brief tonight just to be sure that when 6 people wake up in the morning they have some -- some 7 context to put the issue in.
8 The alternative would be that we get in 9 there first thing in the morning with the latest 10 information and have a briefing in the morning, say 11 8:00 or so, and set that up ahead of time.
12 MR. JOHNSON: Yes. I was -- I was 13 thinking as we were talking. I -- I think my first 14 reaction would be, given the fact that it's showing up 15 in the news, showing up in the local. -- it has gotten 16 some -- some press attention, that I would go ahead 17 with the TA brief tonight. I'm interested in your 18 thoughts on that.
19 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, that's the way I'm 20 thinking also. And that way we can at least give 21 people the information as of tonight, and then, if 22 necessary, if it changes significantly in the morning, 23 we can -- we can give another update. When we do the 24 TA brief, if we go that way, I would like I think to 25 have a public affairs officer on the line, and perhaps NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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131 1 we will get one more update from the licensee before 2 we do it, just to be sure we have the latest 3 information.
4 MR. JOHNSON: Yeah, I agree. I think that's the right thing to do.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And also, Dave and 7 Ron, it's my instinct that it might be good for us to 8 take a step back and decide whether or not we need 9 somebody onsite, either tonight or first -- or early 10 in the morning. I know you have some people headed ii that way. I'm hearing John indicate that he and Ron 12 are -- are going there, and that we may -- I guess 13 Dave may be coming down from Beaver Valley.
14 MR. LEW: Yes.
15 MR. COLLINS: But I think we may need to 16 have some continuity first thing in the morning there 17 to be sure we understand the circumstances, so we can 18 keep them in perspective. If nothing else, to have a 19 source for Diane and Nancy to keep the state and the 20 -- and the media informed.
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132 1 do, Ron, is, based on the briefing of the outage shift 2 manager, decide whether -- what the right time is for 3 him to come onsite. If they are in recovery mode and 4 there is nothing new that is occurring, perhaps we can 5 wait a while and have him come in early. But if there 6 is some connotation of ongoing activities, we might 7 need for him to go in tonight.
8 PARTICIPANT: He is willing to do that.
9 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So, Dave, are you on 10 board with that? I'm asking for your input at this 11 point.
12 MR. LEW: Yes. I'm on board with that.
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Mike, do.you want to 14 be a party to the TA brief? We're certainly willing 15 and I believe capable of doing it without keeping you 16 up at night. We can update you in the morning, if 17 you'd like.
18 MR. JOHNSON: Yeah. Actually, I'm okay 19 with being on -- being a party to the brief.
20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Well, let us do this, 21 Mike. And I'm asking for everyone's input here, 22 because I need -- I need the team's support. If we 23 can get Diane Screnci and the outage shift manager on 24 the line, and have the outage shift manager give us 25 the latest update, and then at that point just NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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133 1 reconfirm what we know, be sure we don't have any more 2 questions, and then ask the HOO to set up the TA 3 briefing.
4 I guess I need Pete Snyder's help here.
5 But if we are -- (inaudible) look at a clock, but 6 we're coming up on 12:00. So if we want to give the 7 TA the heads up that we will be giving them a brief, 8 or whether or not -- just to give them a cold call, I 9 would ask, Brian, maybe you and the HOO to figure out 10 what the best way to do that is.
11 MR. McDERMOTT: Yes. I think, Sam, it 12 typically takes them about 45 minutes to an hour to 13 get hold of everybody, just to tell them what time the 14 briefing is. So if you want to target 1:00 and have 15 them get moving on that while we're having the other 16 discussion 17 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. I think that's a good 18 recommendation, Brian. I'm on board with that. Any 19 other thoughts on that?
20 PARTICIPANT: Gentlemen, this is the 21 Headquarters Operations Officer again. I just wanted 22 to remind you that we did send that HOO highlight out 23 with some information on the TMI event also. And it 24 does go to a similar distribution as the TA brief.
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134 1 here as far as the HOO -- the HOO highlight versus a 2 TA brief. So, Brian, can you help me with that?
3 MR. McDERMOTT: Yeah. I mean, it does go 4 to a very similar distribution, but there is no 5 guarantee they're going to see it. So if we want to 6 ensure that they are aware of what is going on before 7 the Commissioners start reading it in the newspaper 8 tomorrow, they we probably ought. to reach out by phone 9 and tap them.
10 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. I'm willing to take 11 that risk. And then, if we get different direction 12 after this is over, we can -- we can take that under 13 advisement. But my instinct is to go with that, 14 Brian.
15 MR. McDERMOTT: Yes. And, Pete, am I 16 accurate in saying it's 45 minutes at least for you 17 guys to get everybody, or is that -- at this time of 18 night, is it a little easier, since we generally know 19 where people are?
20 MR. SNYDER: Yeah. It's about 45 minutes, 21 Brian. It could be a little bit less than that, but 22 generally it's not less than 30, so -- just to let you 23 know. And I will be turning over to Bill Huffman and 24 Vince Klough here.
25 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay.
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135 1 MR. COLLINS: Bill Huffman, and Vince, was 2 that it, Pete?
3 MR. SNYDER: Yes. Vince Klough.
4 MR. COLLINS: Okay. All right. So why 5 don't we -- why don't we go ahead and set up the TA 6 brief for -- do you want to say 1:00, Brian, just to 7 be safe?
8 MR. McDERMOTT: Yeah, I think that would 9 probably be safe, Sam.
10 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Let's do that. And 11 then, if we can get that in motion, and then, Dave, I 12 would ask you to coordinate with the HOO to get Diane 13 and probably Nancy and the outage shift manager on the 14 line. And I'd ask you to lead the -- lead the call to 15 kind of fill in the blanks, make sure we understand 16 the situation, and then we can circle back through 17 after that to decide if we need an onsite presence 18 tonight or if we want to just pick it up in the 19 morning.
20 MR. LEW: I understand. Okay. I guess --
21 is Pete still on?
22 MR. SNYDER: Yes, sir. We are still here.
23 And, again, I'm turning it over to Vince Klough at 24 this point, so Vince is listening to what you're 25 saying.
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136 MR. COLLINS: All right. So let's --
2 Pete, let us not rush you. I know those turnovers can 3 be complicated. So why don't you let us know when you 4 have turned over, and then we will -- we-will pick up 5 after that. If you can -- if you can get Diane 6 Screnci and Nancy McNamara on the line during that 7 period, fine. If not, we'll hold for you.
8 MR. SNYDER: Okay. So you want Diane 9 Screnci and Mike McNamara?
10 MR. COLLINS: Sorry. That was Diane 11 Screnci, who is the Public Affairs Officer for 12 Region I.
13 MR. SNYDER: Uh-huh.
14 MR. COLLINS: And Nancy -- Nancy McNamara, 15 who is the State Liaison Officer for Region I.
16 MR. SNYDER: And Nancy McNamara. Okay.
17 And --
18 PARTICIPANT: And we also want to 19 eventually get hold of the outage shift manager at 20 TMI, Jim (inaudible). I think --
21 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
22 PARTICIPANT: also if he calls before.
23 MR. KLOUGH: You want that outage shift 24 manager on a separate bridge, and you can just plug 25 him in when you need him?
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137 PARTICIPANT: Yes, please.
2 MR. KLOUGH: Okay. This is Vince. I'm 3 taking over from Pete. Okay.
4 PARTICIPANT: All right. Thank you.
5 MR. COLLINS: Vince, we don't need to 6 bring that outage shift manager up quite yet. I think 7 the goal was to talk to Diane and Nancy first.
8 MR. KLOUGH: Okay.
9 MR. COLLINS: But make sure you get the 10 number from Pete before he leaves.
11 MR. KLOUGH: For the outage shift manager?
12 I have that in front of me right now.
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thanks.
14 MR. KLOUGH: Okay.
15 MR. COLLINS: Hey, Dave, are you all set 16 on the Dave Lew, are you set on the question line 17 with the outage shift manager?
18 MR. LEW: Yes, I am set with the question 19 line with the shift manager.
120 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And I think for the 21 -- let's be sure we have the right people for the 22 1:00. I don't want to keep everybody on the line 23 unless it's necessary. So, Dave, would you want Ron 24 on the briefing for 1:00?
25 MR. BELLAMY: I'm on now and available.
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138 MR. LEW: I think at this point I probably will have enough to do it myself at the 1:00. Ron is going to be trying to get (inaudible) *the phone in the 4 morning while they're trying to get an assessment of the issue.
E -MR. COLLINS: Okay. So, Ron, it sounds like it's your call on the brief. If you stay online for the outage shift manager, then you'll have the latest information.
1C MR. BELLAMY: I'll stay online for the 11 outage shift manager, and then sign off and be ready 12 to, based on that, decide ..
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Mike, you are --
.14 MR. BELLAMY: -- what we want Javier to 15r do.
IlE MR. COLLINS: All right. Thank you.
Mike Johnson, you're in for the duration at your option?
MR. JOHNSON: Yes, uh-huh. Yes.
2C MR. COLLINS: All right. And, Darrell, 21 either you or John probably would need to represent 22 DRS?
23 MR. ROBERTS: Yeah. John, I can do it.
24 You're going to be going into the office at 9:00 in Flý 25 the morning?
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139 1 MR. WHITE: Yeah. I told Ron I'd meet him 2 there at 9:30 tomorrow morning.
3 MR. ROBERTS: Okay. So I can cover this 4 -- I can cover this call. Or do you think it would be 5 better for continuity for you to cover this call and 6 handle the 9:30 affair?
7 MR. WHITE: I'll --
8 MR. ROBERTS: Whichever you think is best.
9 MR. WHITE: I'll tell you what. Why don't 10 you handle the call, and you can, you know, brief me 11 sometime tomorrow morning.
12 MR. ROBERTS: All right. We'll do --
13 we'll do that.
14 MR. WHITE: I just -- I don't think there 15 is going to be any new information exchanged, but, you 16 know, I think that will work for us, and then I'll 17 touch base with you before Ron and I actually leave 18 the office.
19 MR. ROBERTS: Okay. I've got it for DRS.
20 MR. WHITE: All right. Thank you.
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thank you. Thank 22 you, John.
23 MR. WHITE: Thank you.
24 MS. McNAMARA: Sam, Nancy McNamara is on 25 the phone.
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140 1 MR. COLLINS: Hey, Nancy.
2 MS. McNAMARA: Hi, Sam.
3 MS. SCRENCI: Diane is on the phone, too.
4 MR. COLLINS: I guess it's good morning.
5 (Laughter.)
6 MS. FRAY: This is Yvonne Fray on the 7 phone. Diane, are you taking the lead on this?
8 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
9 MS. FRAY: Okay. Because I didn't get a 10 call from Ops; I just got an e-mail. So do you want 11 to brief me afterwards?
12 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
13 MS'. FRAY: Okay, thanks.
14 PARTICIPANT: This is the Operations 15 Officer. The TMI shift outage manager is at this 16 moment remediating the situation at this time. D'o you 17 want me to remove him from his work activities at TMI 18 to place him on this particular conference call?
19 MR. COLLINS: Dave, my instinct is to say 20 no.
21 MR. LEW: Yes, I agree.
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141 1 to do is circle back to that individual before we all 2 get off the line to be sure we have it right.
3 PARTICIPANT: Yes. That sounds like a 4 good idea.
5 PARTICIPANT: Do we have a sense of when 6 the shift outage manager will be available, Vince?
7 MR. KLOUGH: I don't know. I'm going to 8 find that out and have them contact me. I'm going to 9 have them roust me up after he finishes his -- his 10 priority items at this time.
11 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Was that Vince who 12 was speaking? I'm sorry. Was that'Vince Klough?
13 MR. KLOUGH: This is Vince Klough..
14 MR. COLLINS: Vince, if you're speaking to 15 the outage shift manager, I think -what we would like 16 to do, if possible, is to have an update prior to 17 1:00.
18 MR. KLOUGH: I will do the best I can, 19 sir.
20 MR. COLLINS: If he's available for that, 21 fine. If he's not, then we don't want to interrupt 22 his activities, because they are more. pressing 23 clearly.
2 MR. KLOUGH: I understand. I will keep 25 you all posted.
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142 1 MR. COLLINS: So, Nancy and Diane --
2 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
3 MS. McNAMARA: Yes.
4 MR. COLLINS: -- what we are doing -- and 5 we have a number of people on <the line -- we have 6 Darrell Roberts and Dave Lew, Mike Johnson is on the 7 line, and Mike is acting for Bruce Mallet as DEDR, 8 myself. We had John White on the line earlier, and he 9 gave us his insights. And we are --
10 MR. WHITE: I'm still here.
11 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry?
12 MR. WHITE: I'm still here.
13 MR. COLLINS: Oh, John. Thank you.
14 Okay. And. what we have determined with 15 Mike -- and Brian McDermott is on the line, too. I'm 16 sorry, Brian.
17 MR. BELLAMY: And I'm still here. This is 18 Ron.
19 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And Ron, thank you.
20 What we have determined is that it Would 21 be appropriate for us to do a technical assistance 22 brief this evening on this event, and that's being 23 lined up for approximately 1:00 a.m.
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143 1 aware of what occurred before they get questioning in 2 the morning, or they read about it in the morning, so 3 that. they have some perspective and context for the 4 event.
5 We are pretty current up until perhaps a 6 couple hours ago, and we have a couple of questions 7 for the licensee to be sure. we have it in perspective.
8 We want to be sure there's not an ongoing release 9 inside containment. And then, we had a question about 10 unusual event criteria, and then we just wanted an 11 update from the shift manager to be sure that we 12 ourselves are in the right response mode within the 13 NRC. And then, we will make a determination on the 14 appropriate follow-up for first thing in the morning.
15 Part of that, Diane, is to prepare the 16 agency for any questions that we may get first thing 17 in the morning.
18 -MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, we're already getting 19 them, Sam.
20 MR. COLLINS: That's what I heard, yeah.
21 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. I talked to a TV 22 station and to ABC Radio.
24 MS. SCRENCI:' I talked to the --
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144 1 this, but I think they run one desk on like a Saturday 2 night. And he gathers the information, and then 3 either gives it to TV or radio, and radio makes sense 4 because *they will record it. And so I did a recorded 5 interview with ABC Radio, and I think they will 6 probably just send it out to their affiliates.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
8 MS. SCRENCI: The ABC TV affiliate in 9 Harrisburg interviewed Ralph DeSantis'at the site this 10 evening, and wrote a story that is not quite true, and 11 Exelon is working to get it fixed. The headline and 12 the first sentence says there was a radiation leak at 13 Three Mile island on Saturday afternoon.
14 You know, it goes on to say that it was 15 inside the containment building, and there wasn't any 16 danger to the public. But it sounds different from 17 what it -- what it seems to be.
18 MR. COLLINS: Okay. All right. Well, 19 that's important to know --
20 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
21 MR. COLLINS: -- what we may get in the 22 morning I guess.
23 MS. SCRENCI: There was 24 MR. COLLINS: Now, there is --
25 MS. SCRENCI: We had -- I'm sorry.
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'I 145 MR. COLLINS: No, go ahead.
2 MS. SCRENCI: We had a conversation 3 earlier about the fact that workers are lined up to go 4 through the whole body counters, and decided that they 5 would have their cell phones. And they are making 6 calls, because that's how WGAL-TV, which was the 7 second reporter that I talked to, that's how they 8 learned of it, somebody called them from the site and 9 said that they were waiting in line to leave, and, you 10 know, couldn't leave because of this radiation thing.
11 MR. COLLINS: (Inaudible.)
12 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
13 MR. COLLINS: And, Diane, have you read 14 the press release?
15 MS. SCRENCI: Yes. I 16 MR. COLLINS: Is that fairly accurate?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Excuse me?
18 MR. COLLINS: Is that fairly accurate?
19 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, it is. I can send 20 that to you. I sent it to everybody that -- that Ron 21 -- that Ron had sent his e-mail to, and I didn't check 22 carefully to see whether you were on that, Sam.
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146 1 Blackberry now.
2 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, it looks fine. And I 3 have since talked to Exelon and told them that the --
4 that the only additional information that I had was 5 that we were going to send a radiation specialist 6 there tomorrow, which I have told the reporters.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Is it your sense that 8 we should have -- or should we have some type of 9 special outreach or press briefing first thing in the 10 morning?
11 MS. SCRENCI: I'm not thinking first thing 12 in the morning, but we might want to do it, you know, 13 after John is there, and just do -- kind of do it by 14 phone.
15 MR. COLLINS: That would be to put the 16 issue in context?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
18 MR. COLLINS: All right. And that would 19 be--
20 MS. SCRENCI: And you know what? I'm 21 trying to think whether it would be better if we just 22 tried to do it standing there outside rather than by 23 phone?
24 MR. COLLINS: That's what I'm wondering.
25 Yeah. You mean outside at the site?
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147 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. You know, they usually go out to where the old'checkpoint used to be, and they stand there and do it.
MR. COLLINS: Right.
MS. SCRENCI: And, you know, or we could go across the street where the old information center was, and just do it outside, because it's.supposed to.
be as nice tomorrow as it was today I think.
MR. COLLINS: Yeah. My my sense is a presence.at the site is going to be important to --
MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
MR. COLLINS: -- the site and to keep things in perspective.
MS. SCRENCI: Uh-huh.
MR. COLLINS: And I guess if we did that, we would clearly want to be sure that the Commonwealth's representatives knew about that.
MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
MR. COLLINS: Whether or not they wanted to play a part is up to them, but you want to be sure that they were aware.
MS. SCRENCI: You know, it's a Sunday, so we could probably do it mid-afternoon, if we wanted to do that. Like I don't think we need to do it at 8:00 in the morning --
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148 1 MR. COLLINS: Right.
2 MS. SCRENCI: -- is my point, because 3 there is -- there is really not a new news tomorrow.
4 MR. COLLINS: Uh-huh.
5 MS. SCRENCI: So, you know, if we wanted 6 to do it, give people a chance to get there, learn 7 some stuff, come out and say -- you know, probably not 8 a whole lot different than what we're already saying.
9 But, you know, we've been here, we've looked at, you 10 know, our initial assessment is this.
11 MR. COLLINS: All right. Okay.
12 MS. SCRENCI: But that may not be a bad 13 idea.
14 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Yeah, my -- yeah, I 15 think that's probably the right way to go. It may or 16 may not be necessary. But I think as far as keeping 17 it in perspective and (inaudible).
18 MR. HUFFMAN: This is --
19 MR. COLLINS: Very good.
20 MR. HUFFMAN: Sorry to interrupt. This is 21 Bill Huffman in the Operations Center. I've got DOE 22 Public Affairs on the line, Diane, and he says that he 23 and also Homeland Security are getting a lot of media 24 inquiries -- she didn't quantify "a lot" -- and wanted 25 to know how that they should be directing these media NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I guess I can take 3 that on another line.
4 MR. HUFFMAN: No. He's not asking to talk 5 to you directly. He just wants to know how he should 6 refer them out --
7 MS. SCRENCI: Oh.
8 MR. HUFFMAN:- when they come in.
9 MS. SCRENCI: If he referred them to you 10 guys, you guys could give them to me.
11 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. So just --
12 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
13 MR. HUFFMAN: continue on 14 transferring --
15 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: -- them to you after they 17 come into us.
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, please.
19 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. All right. Didn't 20 know if you wanted us to have them referred to you 21 directly. Thank you.
22 MR. COLLINS: Thanks, Bill.
23 Diane, I heard DHS. What was the first 24 organization --
25 MS. SCRENCI: DOE.
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2 MS. SCRENCI: DOE.
3 MR. COLLINS: Okay. DOE, okay. All 4 right. All right. Got it.
5 MS. SCRENCI: My only other thing, there 6 was an e-mail from Dave Allard that didn't seem to be 7 quite right. He also refers to a radiation leak.
8 MS. McNAMARA: Yes. Dave and I have 9 talked, Diane, and he has got all the facts now. They 10 were notified at 9:30, and by the time I talked to him 11 he had had -- basically gotten some of the things 12 straightened out, and I straightened out some of the 13 other things.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Good.
15 MS. McNAMARA: He also, Sam, briefed the 16 governor's officer.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
18 MS. McNAMARA: A little concerned about 19 the timeliness of receiving the information from the 20 licensee.
21 MR. COLLINS: Uh-huh. Yeah, I understand 22 that.
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151 1 to have to circle back to that, you know, once we take 2 care of the immediate issues in front of us here.
3 Okay. Anything else, Diane, on your part?
4 MS. SCRENCI: I don't think so.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay. AS far as preparation 6 for tomorrow, what's the best way for you to stay up 7 to speed or get up to speed? Do you want to 8 coordinate with John and Ron Nimitz on their trip 9 there tomorrow morning? What is --
10 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
11 MR. COLLINS: -- best way to make it 12 happen.?
13 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. I could talk to John 14 tomorrow when they're on their way.
15 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
16 MR. WHITE: We're planning-to leave around 17 9:30 tomorrow morning, unless you think we should 18 leave earlier.
19 MS. SCRENCI: You're not asking me that 20 question, are you?
21 MR. WHITE: No.
22 MR. BELLAMY: John White, this is Ron.
23 I'm going to get hold of Javier, and I'll have him --
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3 MR. COLLINS: All right. Diane, I'm 4 relying a little bit on you to let us know when you 5 think the greatest demand would be. If -- if you're 6 going to be fielding questions and answers, and that 7 is going to be sufficient in the *morning until we get 8 to the site and can get the information and make a 9 statement, or whatever forum you see is appropriate 10 there, then that's okay. If you think we need to be 11 there earlier because of the pent-up demand, I'm just 12 -- I don't know the press cycles there as well as you 13 do.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, because what I think is 15 going to happen is it's -- it's going to die off this 16 evening, probably not very long from now, but then 17 pick up again as people start to go into work in the 18 morning and see the stories that are on the TV station 19 websites. And my guess is the Associated Press will 20 pick this up, because of the press release that Exelon 21 put out at 11:30. So it may well be that we're 22 getting calls early.
23 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So do you intend to 24 go to the site, or do you want to field that from the 25 region, or what is your -- what is your --
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153 1 MS. SCRENCI: My -- you know, originally,
.2 I intended to -- to just take this from here. But if 3 we're -- if we're going to be available to reporters 4 at a specific time, then I would go out there.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Yeah, my thought is 6 we might -- and, again, I'm asking for your input, but 7 my thought is that if we're *going to be available for 8 reporters onsite, then it would be good for you to be 9 there --
10 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, yeah.
11 MR. COLLINS: -- because I know --
12 (inaudible) *in the press briefing like we do on the 13 phone, have everybody call in?
14 MS. SCRENCI: Right.
15 MR. COLLINS: And we could do that 16 anywhere. But it being -- it being Three Mile Island, 17 I guess my mind goes to having a presence onsite.
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. You know, the TV 19 station that I talked to already asked me if we were 20 going to have somebody available tomorrow, and I told 21 her I didn't think -- you know, I didn't think so, 22 which is the right thing to say tonight, because, you 23 know --
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154 I stations are going to be looking for someone tomorrow.
2 And the Harrisburg stations are comfortable just 3 talking to Ralph DeSantis. They are used to him. But 4 like when I talked to -- when I talked to ABC Radio, 5 they -- you know, they were doing things like, "Well, 6 you know, we still don't think we can trust that 7 company."
-8 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you 9 know, I think an onsite presence would be important 10 for a lot of reasons there. It gets to that point.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. You know, I have 12 talked to --
13 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
14 MS. SCRENCI: -- the two reporters about 15 sending a specialist there, so we can have our 16 specialist talk to their specialist to get them -- you 17 know, we have a full understanding of what they know.
18 But, you know, standing outside does -- you know, 19 we're really there.
20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So I guess.what I'm 21 hearing is that -- that you believe it would be best 22 to go to the site. And would you arrange for the 23 briefing in coordination with Exelon?
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155 1 those calls?
2 MS. SCRENCI: Yes. Yeah, you know, I 3 could probably call her now.
4 MR. COLLINS.: Okay.
5 MS. SCRENCI: I just got off the phone 6 with her before the Ops Center called and said that 7 you wanted me on the phone.
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Yeah, and again, I 9 don't think we need to be up there holding Exelon's 10 hand. If they want to make their own statements, 11 that's fine. I think the NRC needs to stand on its 12 own here, and make sure that, you know, we give the 13 perspective as the regulator.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Uh-huh.
15 MR. COLLINS: And that would be probably 16 put on and/or Ron and you. Are you okay with that?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
18 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
19 MS. McNAMARA: And, Diane, if you can keep 20 me in loop on that, I can keep the state in loop on 21 that.
22 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
23 MS. McNAMARA: For what time we are going 24 to do that.
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156 let me just confirm. Ron, are you -- Ron Bellamy, are 2 you okay with that approach?
3 MR. BELLAMY: Yep. And I'm going to get 4 hold of Javier now and make sure he is available to go 5 in early.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So he can be 7 expecting perhaps either a call from John and Ron on 8 their way, or Diane as they get to the site to get him 9 up to speed on where we are.
10 MR. BELLAMY: Understood.
11 MR. COLLINS: And then, Diane, you can,--
12 you can tell him -- the resident about the best way 13 for you all to meet somewhere to transfer the 14 information and -- and set up the brief. And if you 15 need the resident there, that's fine, too. I mean, he 16 is the onsite person. So you decide the forum.
17 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
18 MR. COLLINS: And we can go from there.
19 And I think it might be best, Dave, if perhaps maybe 20 you and I be -- or at least one of us -- and I'm 2 willing to do it -- be in the office in the morning.
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157 1 appraised of where we are, and we can use the 2 communications in the office to do it.
3 MR. LEW: Yes. I was planning on being in 4 the office tomorrow, so I'll be there.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay. We're going to be 6 talking again tonight, of course. But just to put in 7 place, I'll plan on being there in the morning, too.
8 And then, Ron, if you can help us 9 understand where we are with -- you know, with flight 10 coverage for the -- flight coverage for the outage, we 11 can probably wait until the morning for that. But 12 it's going to impact the resident's schedule, so --
13 MR. BELLAMY: Understood.
14 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
15 MR. JOHNSON: And this is Mike. Brian, 16 just a question. Who is on -- who will be on the TA 17 call from the Commission offices? How is that 18 typically done?
19 MR. McDERMOTT: We will reach out to the 2U technical assistants. They also reach out to OCA for 21 those calls. But it's not -- it's not the principals 22 in the Commission office.
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158 1 we've gotten calls or are getting calls of interest 2 from other federal agencies. And I'm just wondering 3 whether it wouldn't be prudent also to have at least 4 the Chairman on that TA call. Is that typically done, 5 or not?
6 MR. McDERMOTT: Oh, yeah, it certainly can 7 be done. We can always get hold of him.
8 MR. JOHNSON: Yeah.
- 9. MR. COLLINS: Mike, perhaps what we can do 10 is find out who the lead is for the Chairman's office, 11 and then advise them that we're getting that type of 12 information and ask for their input on that.
13 MR. JOHNSON: That would be fine. That 14 would be fine With me.
15 MR. COLLINS: And then the other -- Mike, 16 and I appreciate your pursuing this -- and, -Brian, you 17 can help us with this, whether or not we need to be 18 proactive with DOE and DHS and tell them what's going 19 on. That can be. a separate briefing if it needs to 20 be.
21 MR. McDERMOTT: Yes. And we went back out 22 very quickly after we had the initial call and had.Ron 23 and John, as well as Javier, give us some more details 24 on what was going on. So we -- we reached back out to 25 the other ops centers and let them know that NRC was NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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159 I aware of the event at Three Mile Island, that the 2 event did not pose a significant threat to the health 3 of the workers or any offsite threat, and that we were 4 going to continue to follow-up on it.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: Brian, this is Bill Huffman 6 again. Sorry to interrupt you guys again. The Chief 7 of Staff of DOE, Mr. Rod O'Connor, is apparently 8 holding. How do you want us to place that call? Does 9 anyone know this individual? I don't, but --
10 MR. McDERMOTT: No. I don't know him, 11 Bill, but can you --
12 MR. HUFFMAN: We can handle it, if you 13 want us to handle it. But --
14 MR. McDERMOTT: No, that's fine. If you 15 can just put me out on a separate bridge.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: I will. I'll pull you out.
17 I'll you over to the management bridge, Brian, and 18 I'll put him on with --
19 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay.
20 MR. COLLINS: Brian, do you want me on 21 that bridge with you, or are you okay?
22 MR. McDERMOTT: I'm fine with him, Sam, 23 but if you'd like tQ come over that would -- certainly 24 wouldn't mind the support.
25 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
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160 MR. McDERMOTT: Go up -- Brian, would you do a star zero so I can find you?
3 MR. HUFFMAN: Will do.
MR. COLLINS: Okay. Dave Lew, are you on 5 the line?
6 MR. LEW: Yes, I am.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Dave, if for some 8 reason I need to join that bridge, then why don't you 9 keep us in motion. I think what we're trying to do is I0 we're waiting for the TA brief, if you would just 11 confirm who needs to be on that.
12 I guess -- I'm not -- I know Nancy joined 13 us. I'm not sure Nancy needs to be up tonight for-the 14 TA brief, if we have all of the information from her.
15 But if I have to join that brief with Brian, then, if 16 you would pursue getting the latest information from 17 the licensee, and then just be prepared, between you 18 and Darrell, to brief the TAs.
19 MR. LEW: Yes.
20 MR. COLLINS: I'll rejoin you if I have to 21 split off.
22 MR. LEW: Yes. Who was that individual 23 again? I didn't catch it. Chief of Staff of --
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161 1 didn't get the name, did we? Did we get the name?
2 MR. COLLINS: I did not get the name.
3 MR. LEW: Okay. I'll catch up with that 4 later.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I wouldn't --
6 MR. LEW: Yeah, I understand. We'll 7 proceed. We'll proceed with getting information from 8 the licensee, and I'll talk with Nancy to see if she 9 needs to stay -- be here on this call.
10 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And we'll get some 11 feedback from Brian once he gets back on the call, if 12 I don't join him.
13 MR. LEW: Thanks.
14 MR. COLLINS: Thank you. If this gets too 15 many more legs on it, we're probably going to be in 16 here tonight. Don't lose sight of the -- of the 17 safety issues, though, Dave, the health and safety 18 issues while we wrestle with everything else going on 19 here.
20 MR. WHITE: Sam, this is John. If you 21 don't mind, I'm going to drop off, and I'll touch base 22 with Ron and Diane first thing tomorrow morning.
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162 explain any potential health effects or not.
2 MR. WHITE: Right. I understand that.
3 MR. COLLINS: So that we can keep it in 4 perspective.
5 MR. WHITE: Right.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Diane, are you okay 7 with that?
8 (No response.)
9 I think we lost Diane. Okay. All right, i0 John. Thanks.
11 MS. SCRENCI: I had my phone muted.
12 MR. COLLINS: Are you okay with that, 13 Diane?
14 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
15 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
16 MR. WHITE: Yeah, I'll talk to you 17 tomorrow morning, Diane.
1 MS. SCRENCI: All right, John.
19 MR. WHITE: Take care.
20 MR. COLLINS: Thanks, John.
21 MR. LEW: Nancy, are you still on the 22 line?
23 MS. McNAMARA: Yes, I am, Dave.
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163 1 HOO to --
2 MS. McNAMARA: Yes. The HOO was going to 3 reach out to OCA. I reached out to PEMA, Region III, 4 regional headquarters.
5 MR. LEW: Right. Okay.
6 MS. McNAMARA: And to PEMA. Well, 7 actually, that fell out of Dave Allard.
8 MR. LEW: All right. Thanks. Is there 9 anything else, Nancy, for us?
10 MS. McNAMARA: No, that's -- that's all I 11 would have.
12 I guess, Diane, do you know if Dave Allard 13 was on that press release -- the cc of that press 14 release?
1 MS. SCRENCI: Hang on a second. I'll 16 look. I don't know that I have a distribution list, 17 but wait a minute.
18 MS. McNAMARA: Okay.
19 TMI-32 20 PARTICIPANT: This is the NRC Operations 21 Center. This is a recorded line. How may I help you?
22 MS. BABIC: Hi. My name is Carrie Babic.
23 I'm calling from WGAL-TV in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
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164 reactor leak today at TMI. Is there anyone that can 2 give us any confirmation and any information on that?
3 PARTICIPANT: I will -- can I get your name again?
MS. BABIC: Yes. Carrie Babic.
PARTICIPANT: And B-A-B-I-C-K?
7 MS. BABIC: B-A-B-I-C. Pretty close.
8 PARTICIPANT: Oh, darn it. I tried to 9 give you an extra letter.
10 MS. BABIC: You did.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And what is your 12 phone number?
13 MS. BABIC: It is 14 PARTICIPANT: Right.
(b)(6) 15 MS. BABIC:
16 PARTICIPANT: Right.
(b)(6) 17 MS. BABIC:
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And you said you were 19 in Lancaster?
2 MS. BABIC: Yes.
2 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Okay. What I'll do is 22 I'll get hold of Region I Public Affairs and give your 23 information over to her, and she will probably call 24 you back here very shortly.
2.5 MS. BABIC: Great. Thank you so much.
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165 PARTICIPANT: You are more than welcome.
2 MS. BABIC: Okay. Have a good night.
3 PARTICIPANT: You as well. Thanks.
4 MS. BABIC: Thank you. Bye.
PARTICIPANT: Bye.
5 TMI - 3 3 7 PARTICIPANT: Really? It's not like she's 8 got to know 9 PARTICIPANT: Her job is to know.
10 PARTICIPANT: I understand that. Hello?
11 Diane?
12 MS. SCRENCI: Hello?
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, Diane?
14 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
15 PARTICIPANT: I have two things now.
1E MS. SCRENCI: Okay, 17 PARTICIPANT: Okay. One, Carrie Babic, WGAL-TV, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
(b)(6) 2 PARTICIPANT: It's area code:
21 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
22 PARTICIPANT: And I also have -- what's 23 her name?
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166 from Exelon on the line right now.
2 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
3 PARTICIPANT: I guess the best way is --
4 PARTICIPANT: Have her hang up and then 5 I'll just transfer it 6 PARTICIPANT: Do you want to put them on 7 the bridge?
8 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible.)
9 PARTICIPANT: Is the bridge okay?
10 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, that's fine.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay. I'll transfer you to 12 the bridge.
13 MS.:SCRENCI.: Thanks.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thanks.
15 TMI-3441 16 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center, 17 recorded line. Can I help you?
1 MS. ARCHER: Yes, hi. Could you connect 19 me to Region I Public Affairs? I think it's Diane 20 Screnci who is on --
21 PARTICIPANT: Who is this?
22 MS. SCRENCI: It's Beth Archer with 23 Exelon.
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167 1 number and I'll call her and have her call you right 2 back?
3 MS. ARCHER: That's okay then. Never 4 mind. I'll try her on e-mail.
5 PARTICIPANT: Well, is it -- why can't we 6 do that? All right. Hold on. Hold on one second.
7 I'll try transferring you. I just don't know if she's 8 up or not.
9 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
10 PARTICIPANT: Hold on.
11 I've got Beth Archer at Exelon. Can you 12 give me Diane's number, anybody got it? Is he talking 13 to Diane right now? Yeah, don't -- do not hang up, 14 Howard.
15 Okay. Just hold on, Beth, please.
16 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
17 PARTICIPANT: I've got Beth Archer from 18 Exelon on the line. Have her hang up. I'll transfer 19 her. I'll just transfer her directly. She wants to 20 be on the bridge.
21 I'm going to put you up on an NRC bridge, 22 because we're having a little connection problem here.
23 Is that okay, Beth?
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168 1 you. Just follow the prompts.
2 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
3 TMI-3442 4 PARTICIPANT: Diane?
5 MS. SCRENCI: Hello?
6 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Hi. Is this Diane?
7 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
8 MS. ARCHER: No, this is Beth.
9 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Diane, real quick, 10 Beth is up there?
11 MS. ARCHER: Yes.
12 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Diane, real quick, 13 when do you want me to stop the calls with media 14 interest?
15 MS. SCRENCI: Not for a while.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Not for a while, aye?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Because we're doi ng a 19 turnover, and I want to make sure my guys unders tand 20 when the quit time is:
21 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
22 PARTICIPANT: All right.
23 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks.
24 PARTICIPANT: All right. Here you go.
25 MS. SCRENCI: Hi, Beth.
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169 1 MS. ARCHER: Hey, I'm so sorry. I just --
2 are you guys planning a news release?
3 MS. SCRENCI: No.
4 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
5 MS. SCRENCI: I have -- wait a minute. My 6 kids are asleep. I have talked to -- I talked to ABC 7 Radio in New York, and then there's a call from WGAL 8 waiting for me. I just expect there to be more. And 9 the only thing that I'm saying that is not in yours is I0 that we are going to send a radiation specialist there 11 tomorrow.
12 MS. ARCHER: Okay. Sending rad specialist 13 tomorrow.
1 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
15 MS. ARCHER: Okay.
16 MS. SCRENCI: You know, so that our 17 specialist can talk to your specialist.
18 MS. ARCHER: And they can all be 19 specialized.
20 MS. SCRENCI: Uh-huh.
21 MS. ARCHER: Okay. ABC Radio in New York, 22 WGAL. I just want to let you know ABC-27 has a 23 headline that would attract. The headline says 24 there's a radiation leak at Three Mile Island, and 25 that's -- we called them to tell them that's an NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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170 1 incorrect headline, so --
2 MS. SCRENCI: Isn't that who you did the 3 interview with?
4 MS. ARCHER: Yeah, it is. And the rest of the story was fine. I don't know if they just 6 decided, oh, that sounds good, you know, that's 7 catchy. But the rest of the text was fine, so --
8 MS. SCRENCI: That's what I was just 9 looking for when the Ops Center called, that web page.
10 Ah, there it is. Okay.
MS. ARCHER: All right. So we called to 12 get it corrected, but I just wanted to make sure that 13 you had seen it. So --
14 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, it's still there.
15 Okay. I hope to, you know --
16 MS. ARCHER: Well, their whole first 17 sentence was there is a radiation leak at Three, Mile 18 Island this afternoon.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Right. And after that it 20 wasn't --
21 MS. ARCHER: Yeah, it wEts fine.
22 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. Dc you have my cell 23 phone if you need me?
24 MS. ARCHER: I don't. Hsang on a sec.
25 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
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171 1 TMI-35 2 PARTICIPANT: I'm calling the outage shift 3 manager.
4 MR. GOLDMAN: OCC, Jeff Goldman.
5 PARTICIPANT: Hello. Is this the TMI 6 outage shift manager? This is the U.S. Nuclear 7 Regulatory Commission Operations Center.
8 MR. GOLDMAN: The on-shift manager would 9 be -- can be reached at 8070 in the main control room.
10 PARTICIPANT: Hold on, sir. You're fading 11 in. Come again?
12 MR. GOLDMAN: Yeah, hold on a second. I 13 want to pick up a direct head set. I've got -- okay.
14 Can you hear me better?
15 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
16 MR. GOLDMAN: Yeah. Now, this is not the 17 on-shift manager. This is the outage control center.
18 PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is the shift 19 outage manager, is that correct?
20 MR. GOLDMAN: Yes. Yeah, I'm speaking for 21 him, that's right.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay. The NRC management 23 would like to speak to the shift outage manager for 24 TMI.
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172 manager for TM -- does that need to be me? He's in a phone call, he's in a conference call right now.
PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I'm going to place you in --
MR. GOLDMAN: Should I pull him out? I'm not the shift outage manager. He's on another conference call right now. Should I pull him out of that?
PARTICIPANT: Is he -- is he remediating the issue at this moment?
MR. GOLDMAN: That is correct.
PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask, can you hold on right there, okay, sir?
MR. GOLDMAN: Yes.
PARTICIPANT: I'm going to put you on mute.
TMI-35_1 PARTICIPANT: You know, I could probably call her now. I -just got off the phone with her before the outage center called and said that he wanted me on the (inaudible).
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173 1 sorry I'm having to call you up so late. This is 2 Vince-with the NRC Operations Center, recorded line.
3 We have had a public interest event at 4 TMI, and we have our senior managers all on a bridge 5 right now. They requested the TA assistants bridge 6 briefing at 1:00 this morning.
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Who is this?
8 MR. KLOUGH: This is Vince, Vince Klough 9 at the NRC Operations Center.
10 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay. You're in the Ops 11 Center.
12 MR. KLOUGH: I'm in the Ops Center.
13 PARTICIPANT: 1:00? They'll call me or --
14 MR. KLOUGH: No. If you'd call us up or 15 -- we're calling up all of the.other TAs, and we'll --
16 PARTICIPANT: You want me to call in at 17 1:00?
18 MR. KLOUGH: Yeah. And we're going to put 19 you on the --
20CPARTICIPANT: Okay. And"5l (nuiAe)?
21 MR. KLOUGH: Yeah.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
23 MR. KLOUGH: And we'll put you on a.-- on 24 the Commissioner assistants briefing bridge with 25 everyone else, and we'll provide you all a briefing.
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174 1 So this is -- got the time going right now.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thanks. Okay, sir.
3 MR. KLOUGH: Bye.
4 TMI-35_2 PARTICIPANT: I'm getting her right now.
6 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 7 is a recorded line. How may I help you?
8 (Dial tone followed by a busy signal.)
9 MR. KLOUGH: Okay. Yes, this is Vince.
10 I'm taking over for Pete.
11 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Pete, did you just 12 hit the call button?
13 MR. SNYDER: No, I didn't call 14 PARTICIPANT: To who?
15 MS. SCRENCI: Hello?
16 PARTICIPANT: Hello. Diane?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
18 PARTICIPANT: Hi. This is the NRC Ops 19 Center. Sam Collins is asking for you up on the 2C bridge.
21 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, okay.
22 PARTICIPANT: Can I transfer you?
23 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
24 PARTICIPANT: All right.
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175 1 PARTICIPANT: Who are you calling?
2 PARTICIPANT: Nancy McNamara.
PARTICIPANT: I'm calling (inaudible).
3 4 Okay. I'll get Screnci's number. I've got 5 PARTICIPANT: Diane is already up there.
6 PARTICIPANT: Oh, she's already on.
7 (Phone ringing.)
8 MS. McNAMARA: Hello? Nancy McNamara.
9 PARTICIPANT: Hello. Nancy. This is the 10 NRC Operations Center.
11 MS. McNAMARA-: Hi.
12 PARTICIPANT: Are you aware what's going 13 on at TMI?
14 MS. McNAMARA: I certainly am.
15 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Sam Collins wants you 16 up on the NRC bridge. Can I transfer you up?
17 MS. McNAMARA: You sure can. Thank you.
18 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
19 TMI-36 20 MR. HUFFMAN: NRC Operations Center 21 recorded line. Can I help you?
22 MR. GAGE: Yes. This is Thomas Gage, 23 Department of Energy,. Emergency Operations Center. I 24 received a call from a Howard Crouch earlier today in 2E reference to the TMI event. Is he still around?
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176 1 MR. HUFFMAN: Well, he is gone. This is 2 Bill Huffman. I'm taking over on this shift.
3 MR. GAGE: Okay. Bill, I have Dan 4 Leistikow. He is our PA representative, and he may 5 have some questions for you guys. I briefed him on 6 what was given to me by Mr. Crouch, that TMI was in an 7 outage. It was plant refueling -- it was refueling 8 the reactor. He indicated that it was airborne 9 contamination, but that wasn't major. There was no 10 public health or safety. NRC was monitoring, and no 11 response was warranted. That's what Mr. Crouch gave 12 me. Is that correct?
13 MR. HUFFMAN: Well, yeah. I would -- some 14 of the words I wouldn't -- would say are not exactly 15 right, but that's the gist of it.
16 MR. GAGE: Okay. Well, that's what he 17 gave me.
18 MR. HUFFMAN: "Monitoring" has a specific 19 connotation. It means that we're -- that we're in a 20 response mode. That is not the case. We just have --
21 MR. GAGE: Okay.
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177 1 you speak to Mr. Leistikow. He may have some specific 2 questions.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: Sure.
4 MR. GAGE: Thank you. And your name 5 again? I'm sorry.
6 MR. HUFFMAN: My name is Bill Huffman, and 7 I'll need --
8 MR. GAGE: Okay.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: Mr. Leistikow's -- the 10 spelling of his 11 MR., GAGE: Hey, Dan?
12 MR. LEISTIKOW: Yes.
13 MR. GAGE: I have Bill Huffman on the line 14 for you. He may be able to assist you. Mr. Crouch is 15 gone for the evening. He is taking over.
16 MR. LEISTIKOW: Okay.
17 MR. GAGE: Go ahead.
18 MR. LEISTIKOW: Bill?
19 MR. HUFFMAN: Yes. Dan, well, how do you 20 spell your last name?
21 MR. LEISTIKOW: Leistikow.
22 MR. HUFFMAN: What?
23 MR. LEISTIKOW: L-E-I-S-T-I-K-O-W.
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178 1 Center here at the NRC. Yeah.
2 MR. LEISTIKOW: Okay.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: TMI is in the middle of a 4 refueling outage. They are defueled, meaning there is 5 no fuel in the reactor, and they are replacing a steam 6 generator, and --
7 MR. LEISTIKOW: Uh-huh.
8 MR. HUFFMAN: -- sometime this evening 9 during maintenance activities there were radiation 10 alarms that went off in containment. And the -- this 11 would not be associated with like a criticality. This 12 would be associated with like there was some airborne 13 radioactivity that was -- occurred as a result of 14 ongoing maintenance activities. So --
15 MR. LEISTIKOW: Okay.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: So personnel were evacuated 17 out of containment, which is what you do by procedure.
18 They are all wearing their anti-Cs (phonetic), and 19 right now they are all still being surveyed, you know, 20 and making sure they are not contaminated.
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179 puff of radioactivity came from. But this is not like an ongoing release. This is not, you know, the people 3 here at TMI and they think the -- you know, the --
4 MR. LEISTIKOW: Right.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: -- this is not any -- this is nothing related to that whatsoever. This is not an 7
12 emergency of any kind.
8 MR. LEISTIKOW: Okay. So Homeland 9 Security got a press call from ABC that -- the ABC 20 network news, who heard about it from their local 11 16 affiliate --
12 MR. HUFFMAN: Uh-huh.
1 MR. LEISTIKOW: .... which and so they 14 sent it over to -- I'm the Public Affairs Director at 15 DOE, and so they -- they didn't know who to refer it i1 to, and so they e-mailed me here this evening. Are 17 you guys field inquiries about this or --
18 MR- HUFFMAN: Well, we're trying to do the 19 best we can with all the other, calls going on. We 20 couldn't -- I can try to direct you to our -- our 21 Public Affairs person in Region I, but I think she is 22 tied up right now with -- with media. So --
23 MR. LEISTIKOW: So the media -- so media 24 already knows about *this.
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180 1 and we've got -- the media knows about it.
2 MR. LEISTIKOW: Oh, okay. All right.
3 Okay. Well, so -- just so I can close the loop out on 4 this., and if you could just tell me the contact 5 information that we should just have Homeland Security 6 refer ABC News to, that's all I need.
7 MR. HUFFMAN: Well, yeah, the contact 8 information would be -- if they -- if they need to --
9 hold on a second. Let's see -- let me put you on 10 hold. I'm going to see if I can ask our management
.11 how they want to handle this.
12 MR. LEISTIKOW: Okay.
13 TMI-37 14 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center.
15 MR. RYAN: Hey, it's John Ryan over at 16 ABC. How are you doing?
17 PARTICIPANT: Can you hold for just one 18 second, John?
19 MR. RYAN: Sure thing.
20 TMI-37_1 21 PARTICIPANT: Okay. John, thanks for 22 holding.
23 MR. RYAN: No sweat.
24 PARTICIPANT: Okay. What do you need?
25 You're with ABC News?
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181 1 MR. RYAN: Yeah, here in Washington.
2 PARTICIPANT: All right.
3 MR. RYAN: DHS referred me over to you 4 guys on this incident up at Three Mile Island --
5 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
6 MR. RYAN: -- today. And they said there 7 would be a release coming out at some point, or that.
8 you would have some information?
9 PARTICIPANT: Well, I have some IC information, but what I'm going to do is I'm going to 11 try to transfer you with our -- to our Public Affairs 12 person.
13 MR. RYAN: Okay.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay? And her name is Diane 15 Screnci, and she works out of Region I, which is where 15 TMI is.
17 MR. RYAN: Yes. She spoke with our Brian 18 Hartman earlier.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
20 MR. RYAN: I don't want to -- is she out 21 -- is she working at home right now?
22 PARTICIPANT: She is at home.
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182 1 working? Have you talked to her in the last hour?
2 PARTICIPANT: Within the last hour? Yeah, 3 I have. So she might still be up.
4 MR. RYAN: All right. Why don't you do 5 that, and we'll just see if we can close the loop 6 here.
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Hold on.
8 MR. RYAN: Okay. Thanks.
9 (Phone ringing.)
10 PARTICIPANT: Who is it?
11 (Phone ringing.)
12 TMI-38 13 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 14 is a recorded line. How may I help you?
15 MS. VESTAL: Hi. This is Dr. Pam Vestal.
16 Did you guys happen to get -- be in contact with 17 Matthew Chandler, one of our public affairs officers?
18 PARTICIPANT: You're with DHS?
19 MS. VESTAL: Yes.
20 PARTICIPANT: I -- someone took another 21 call. I'm preparing a briefing right now, ma'am.
22 MS. VESTAL: Okay. Can I talk with the 23 person who took that call?
24 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I'm going to put you 25 on hold.
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183 1 MS. VESTAL: Thank you.
2 TMI-39 3 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center
- 4. recorded line. How may I help you?
5 MR. GAGE: Yes. This is Thomas Gage, 6 Department of Energy, Emergency Operations Center. Is 7 Mr. Huffman in?
8 PARTICIPANT: Yes, sir. He's on another 9 line. May I ask --
10 MR. GAGE: Okay.
11 PARTICIPANT: Perhaps I can help you, sir?
12 MR. GAGE: Yes. This is in reference to 13 the situation for TMI. I have the Chief of Staff for 14 the Secretary of Energy on the line, and he had a few 15 questions. I tried to explain it to him as best as 16 possible, because I just --
17 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
18 MR. GAGE: -- patched our press office, 19 Mr. Leistikow, to Mr. Huffman.
20 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And what's the name, 21 sir?
22 MR. GAGE: It's -- my name?
23 PARTICIPANT.: What's .the name of,-- what's 24 your Chief of Staff -- what's your Chief's name?
25 MR. GAGE: Rod O'Connor.
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184 PARTICIPANT: Rod O'Connor?
MR. GAGE: Yes, sir.
PARTICIPANT: Rod O'Connor.
MR. GAGE: Yes, sir.
PARTICIPANT: Okay. I'm going to put you on hold for a second.
MR. GAGE: Okay.
TMI-3991 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Mr. O'Connor, are you up there?
MR. O'CONNOR: I am.
PARTICIPANT: Hello?
MR. O'CONNOR: Yes, I am.
PARTICIPANT: Okay. Mr. O'Connor, I have on the line with you right now Mr. Brian McDermott, who is a manager here in the Incident Response Program at the NRC, and he can brief you on what's going on.
MR. O'CONNOR: Thank you very much.
MR. McDERMOTT: Hi, Mr. O'Connor. How are you doing tonight?
MR. O'CONNOR: I'm dc)ing fine, Brian.
Thanks for taking the time.
MR. McDERMOTT: Sure. I understand you have some interest in the media reports regarding Three Mile Island this evening?
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185 1 MR. O'CONNOR: Yes. Yeah, I just got an 2 e-mail from our communications office, and I'm just 3 trying to run down what actually happened.
4 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay. Well, right now, 5 the Three Mile Island Unit is in the midst of a steam 6 generator replacement. They are replacing some large 7 components within their containment. And during this 8 evolution they ended up with contamination being 9 airborne within the containment. That is not an 10 unusual occurrence during maintenance work at a nuclear powerplant.
12 What we know of it right now is that when 13 the contamination occurred they brought the 14 individuals out of the facility and put them through 15 the normal process you would use to screen people for 16 contamination. A number of those individuals did have 17 some contamination. We were hearing numbers; I think 18 there were a total of eight individuals last I heard 19 that came out and had some contamination. But this --
20 this event *did not go beyond the inside of 'the 21 facility.
22 MR. O'CONNOR: It did not escape into --
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186 at this point, and the licensee has told us that they 2 have the monitoring in place for that. We will be 3 doing. some follow-up with our inspectors, going to the 4 site to look at that. But they had been looking at 5 the licensee's maintenance activities prior to this 6 event, so in terms of, you know, what they do to 7 monitor work, and so forth, we have had some eyes on 8 that prior to the events and the original issues.
9 MR. O'CONNOR: Okay.
10 MR. McDERMOTT: So right now, so in terms 11 of --
12 MR. O'CONNOR: I'm sorry, go ahead.
13 MR. McDERMOTT: Yeah. In terms of the 14 type of contamination you are talking about, I myself 15 was an inspector at this facility in the past, and the 16 dose you're talking about, the one that we heard was 17 the highest was on the order of 16 millirem, which is 18 not a significant number at all in terms of dose to a 19 worker doing work in a containment during an outage.
20 MR. O'CONNOR: And so as far as we know, 21 no injuries other than the exposure to these 22 approximately eight individuals?
23 MR. McDERMOTT: That's correct.
24 MR. O'CONNOR: Okay. All right. Anything 25 else we should know?
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187 1 MR. McDERMOTT: No. I think what happened 2 here is they've got a queue of individuals lined up to 3 be monitored as they come up -- come out. of the 4 facility.
5 PARTICIPANT: Mr. Sam Collins has joined 6 this conference.
7 .MR. McDERMOTT: Okay.
8 MR. COLLINS: I'm online now.
9 MR. McDERMOTT: All right, Sam. Thank 10 you. We have Sam Collins, our Regional Administrator 11 from NRC Region I, who has just joined us, Rod.
12 MR. O'CONNOR: Yeah, Rod O'Connor from 13 DOE.
14 MR. COLLINS: Good morning.
15 MR. McDERMOTT: So I think what happened 16 was that a number of these individuals that were 17 queued up waiting to be monitored-as they came out of 18 the facility were taking the opportunity to make some 19 telephone calls at the time, while they were queued up 20 in line.
21 So the media has -- had some interest in 22 the event. They did some reports with the licensee 23 from the site, and have been in contact with our 24 Public Affairs as well. But at this point we don't 25 see this --
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188 1 MR. O'CONNOR: I haven't seen a media 2 report. I just got the notice from our public affairs 3 shop. Has it been widespread, or has it been just a 4 few media outlets?:
5 MR. McDERMOTT: I think it was just an AP 6 posting that's on the internet as far as I've heard.
7 MR. O'CONNOR: Okay. All right. Well, 8 gentlemen, I'm very appreciative of you taking the 9 time to give us an update. And, you know, let us know 10 if anything else significant happens. But thanks, and 11 we'll go from here.
12 MR. McDERMOTT: Okay. If you have any 13 other questions, just give us a call back.
14 MR. O'CONNOR: Okay. Thank you.
15 MR. McDERMOTT: All right.
16 MR. O'CONNOR: Bye-bye.
17 TMI-40 18 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 19 recorded line. May I help you?
20 PARTICIPANT: Hi, good evening. This is 21 the DHS NOC again. I believe we got cut off. We were 22 waiting to speak to whoever --
23 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. We're in the middle
.24 of other briefings now with the Chief of Staff of DOE.
25 PARTICIPANT: Right.
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189 1 PARTICIPANT: And other senior staff here 2 at the NRC. So we're placing you on hold, sir, and 3 we're going to get to you as soon as we can.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thank you, sir.
5 TMI-41_1 6 PARTICIPANT: John?
7 MR. RYAN: Yes, sir.
8 PARTICIPANT: I can't get through to her.
9 No one is answering her phone. Let me -- let me try 10 one more time. I just -- I've dialed it about five 11 times. I don't know if she may be -- she may be 12 fielding other calls on her personal line. I'm trying 13 to dial her cell phone.
14 MR. RYAN: Okay.
15 PARTICIPANT: And -- which is normally how 16 we contact her. So I just want to let you know that 17 -- that, you know, it's -- I have been trying.
18 MR. RYAN: All right. They haven't left 19 anything with you that you could pass along. You 20 wanted me to --
21 PARTICIPANT: I mean, all I can tell you 22 is that there is really nothing going on. It's --
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190 evening.
2 MR. RYAN: And someone cut something.
3 PARTICIPANT: And, yeah, there was a puff 4 of radioactivity probably from one of the pipes that 5 -- you know, we don't know. We're speculating there.
6 But there is no fuel in the reactor, so there is no 7 -- there is nothing like what could have happened at 8 -TMI originally.
9 MR. RYAN: Right.
10 PARTICIPANT: And some of this radioactive 11 material went airborne in containment, did not go 12 outside of containment, and -- and they removed all of 13 the workers and they are surveying to make sure nobody 14 was contaminated.
15 MR. RYAN: All right. In what you got, 16 this sort of mirrors what we got from the Dauphine 17 County EMC or Emergency Operations Center?
18 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh.
19 MR. RYAN: So, I mean, this is okay.
20 They're saying Exelon considers -- the only-- there's 21 two things with the release that you should know that 22 they put out. They say, one, that Exelon considers 23 the event to be an event of potential public interest.
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191 looks like local officials there are going to make an issue of the fact that it took eight hours for them to 3 be notified about it. But you know what? That's not 4 going to rise to the level ofinational news coverage, 5 I don't think..
6 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Well, I -- yeah, I 7 don't know.
8 MR. RYAN: Yeah.
9 PARTICIPANT: You know, you guys know.
10 You're the press.
11 MR. RYAN: That's a decision we'd make, 12 but my -- here's the thing. If you want to try Diane 13 one more time, if she doesn't answer I'm not sweating 14 it. It's not like Good Morning America is down my 15 throat to get something here.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me try her one 17 more time, okay?
18 MR. RYAN: Okay, yeah.
19 TMI-42 2 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center.
21 PARTICIPANT: Hi, good morning. My name 22 is Janet. I'm calling from CNN.
23 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, Janet. Can I put you 24 on hold for --
25 PARTICIPANT: You sure can. Thank you.
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192 1 TMI-42_1 2 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Are you on hold, sir?
3 PARTICIPANT: Malam. Yes, I am.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. And you' re on hold 5 for?
6 PARTICIPANT: My name is Janet. I'm 7 calling from CN'N.
8 PARTICIPANT: CNN?
9 PARTICIPANT: Yes, sir.
10 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And you probably want 11 to talk to our Public Affairs Officer?
12 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Yes.
13 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Okay. We're still 14 trying to reach her, ma'am. Can you hold on, please?
15 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Hello? Are you on 16 hold?
17 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 18 recorded line. How may I help you?
19 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Region III RDO 20 calling in for the TA briefing.
21 PARTICIPANT: Okay. I'll place you, sir.
22 Diane for --
23 TMI-43 24 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 25 recorded line. How may I help you?
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193 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. This is Jonathan 2 (inaudible) from TDBLC. You tried to call me?
3 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, Jonathan.. We're 4 having a TA briefing at 1:00 Eastern Standard Time 5 concerning the TMI incident where they did an internal 6 evacuation of their containment during a steam 7 generator replacement. We're contacting you -- we're 8 contacting all the duty officers, along with, 9 obviously, the Commissioners' briefing.
10 PARTICIPANT: We've got all the CAs now, 11 right?
12 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. So you're being 13 invited to call in and we'll place you on this bridge.
14 I guess it's almost -- it's almost .1:00 right now. I 15 can place you on the bridge right now if you --
16 PARTICIPANT: Well --
17 PARTICIPANT: -- or you can call back in.
18 PARTICIPANT: Well, what is the subject 19 again?
20 PARTICIPANT: TMI.
21 PARTICIPANT: Okay. They had a 22 containment evacuation?
23 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. It's going to be --
24 yeah.
25 PARTICIPANT: We got Hischman (phonetic).
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194 1 PARTICIPANT: His chmar 2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Go ahead and put me 3 on the bridge.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay. You'll be the first 5 one there. Please follow the prompts.
6 TMI-43_1 7 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations CerLter 8 recorded line. May I help you?
9 MS. HAYDEN: Yes. This is Beth Hayden. I 10 was calling in for the --
11 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you, Beth.
12 MS. HAYDEN: Thank you.
13 (Phone ringing.)
14 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Cer tter 15 recorded line. May I help you?
16 MR. CAMPER: Yeah. Larry Camper call ing 17 back for the --
18 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
19 NRC Operations Center recorded line. May 20 I help you?
21 PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is Yvonne from 22 OPA.
23 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
24 PARTICIPANT: Put me on the bridge line, 25 yes, please.
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195 1 TMI-43-2 2 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So we have -- let me 3 just confirm, we have Dave --
4 MR. LEW: Yes.
5 MR. COLLINS: -- Dave Lew. Darrell?
6 MR. ROBERTS: Yes.
7 MR. COLLINS: All right. And we have 8 Brian. I think (inaudible) dropped off, and John 9 White dropped off. We have Mike.
10 MR. JOHNSON: Mike is here.
11 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And Diane is offline 12 right now I think.
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. She was making -- she 14 was taking a call with Beth Archer.
15 MR. COLLINS: Right. Dave, do you have 16 those names so you can introduce us at the -- at the 17 TA brief?
18 MR. LEW: The names of the (inaudible) 19 staff.
20 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
21 MR. LEW: Yes, I'do.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
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196 1 Diane were stepping off temporarily.
2 MR. ROBERTS: Okay.
3 MR. COLLINS: And, Mike, do you want to 4 stay on board, or do you want us to update you in the 5 morning?
6 MR. JOHNSON: No, I'll stay on. I'm --
7 I'm up.
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
9 MS. SCRENCI: Hey, Sam. It's Diane.
10 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
11 MS. SCRENCI: I talked to Beth Archer at 12 Exelon, and I just wanted you update you. I'm going 13 to try to track down Ralph DeSantis. His e-mail to 14 them simply said that he was going to do interviews in 15 the morning. I told her we were going to probably do 16 interviews at some point during the day tomorrow, and 17 that we were going to do them at the Training Center.
18 MR. COLLINS: Uh-huh.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Giving her the opportunity 20 to object now or forever hold her peace basically.
21 And she said, yeah, that's where they -- that's where 22 they go and stand, and that's okay.
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197 1 in his car, rather than waking up his whole house.
2 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
3 MS. SCRENCI: All right.
4 MR. COLLINS: Thanks, Diane.
5 TMI-43_3 6 (Phone ringing.)
7 PARTICIPANT: There's two people on hold 8 here 9 PARTICIPANT: Both of them for -- both of 10 them are reporters, I think, looking for Diane 11 Screnci.
12 PARTICIPANT: Which line?
13 PARTICIPANT: No, they're on -- both on 14 hold. See them?
15 (Phone ringing.)
16 PARTICIPANT: I don't --
17 PARTICIPANT: Oh, I thought you were 18 calling Diane.
19 Hi, Mr. Grobe. This is the NRC Operations 20 Center. I tried to get hold of Mr. Leeds, was unable 21 to get hold of him. There's not an emergency going 22 on, but there has been an event at TMI, and we're 23 having a Commissioner Assistants briefing right now.
24 I want to put you on the TA bridge, so you can 25 participate. Okay?
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198 MR. GROBE: Yes.
2 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
3 (Phone ringing.)
4 PARTICIPANT: Hello?
5 PARTICIPANT: Hello?
6 PARTICIPANT: Hello?
7 (Phone ringing.)
8 PARTICIPANT: Are we on?
9 MR. GROBE: This is Jack Grobe at NRR.
1 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 11 is a recorded line. May I help you?
12 MR. MARR: Hey, Bill. It's Scott Marr. I 13 think I got dropped.
14 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
15 MS. FRAY: Yvonne Fray, OPA.
16 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 17 recorded line. May I help you?
18 MS. TROSEAN: Hi. This is Leigh Trosean.
19 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you, Leigh.
20 MS. TROSEAN: Thank you.
21 PARTICIPANT- You probably didn't have 22 your HOO-2 phone in the -- ah. Move your HOO-2 phone 23 into the Commissioner Assistants briefing.
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199 1 sorry. And --
2 PARTICIPANT: Can I pick up. 4107 and put 3 them --
4 PARTICIPANT: Hello? Who is this? Hello?
5 Where is Diane Screnci?
6 PARTICIPANT: Diane Screnci was on a phone 7 call with DHS, so she is 8 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
9 PARTICIPANT: -- tied up on a phone call.
10 We'll contact her again, but I --
PARTICIPANT: Are you still there?
12 PARTICIPANT: I am.
13 PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry. She has been 14 actively engaged in a bunch of phone calls. I think 15 she might be free now, so if -- if you hold, I'm going 16 to try to transfer you.
17 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
18 (Phone ringing.)
19 PARTICIPANT: Oh, man. Who is that? Is 20 it over on your side?
21 NRC Operations Center recorded line. May 22 I help you?
23 MR. BELL: This is Jim Bell, Commissioner 24 Sevidiky's (phonetic) office.
25 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you.
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200 t PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thank you, ma'am.
3 PARTICIPANT: Thanks.
4 PARTICIPANT: ABC -- Diane has spoken with r5 ABC Radio and News, and it's on the line that Diane E has told them the situation, that we're sending 7 radiological specialists there. That's basically what B
IC the story is saying.
9 TMI-44 lC MS. HAYDEN: Beth Hayden, Public Affairs.
11 MR. CAMPER: Larry Camper, FSMA.
12 MS. FRAY: Yvonne Fray, Public Affairs, 13 Headquarters.
14 MR. MOORE: Scott Moore, International 15 Programs.
16 MR. DUNCAN: Eric Duncan, Region III RDO.
17 MS. TROSEAN: Leigh Trosean, OEDO.
18 MR. BELL: Jim Bell, Commissioner 19 Sevidiky's office.
2C MS. POWELL: Amy Powell, Congressional 21 Affairs.
.22 MR. CASTLEMAN: Ed Castleman, Office of 23 Dr. Klein.
24 MR. NELLER: Carroll Lee Neller from FSNA.
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201 MR. COLLINS: Is Brian McDermott on the lineý?
MR. McDERMOTT: Yes, Sam. I'm just getting back.
MR. COLLINS: Okay, Brian. Any status on the briefing for us?
MR. McDERMOTT: Yes. Tom Hischman is going to join in. And based on what he hears from the call, he will -- he will talk with Josh, and they'll decide whether or not to reach out to the Chairman either tonight or tomorrow morning.
MR. COLLINS: Okay.
TMI -45 PARTICIPANT: I'm still trying to get hold of her. I'm sorry.
PARTICIPANT: No, that's okay. Would it be easier if you gave me her number, or if she took my
-- or if you took my number?
PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Maybe that would be easier. What's your -- what's your number?
PARTICIPANT: Our number here i (b)(6)
. . -..- PARTICIPANT: .....- Okay. Arid what was your name again?
PARTICIPANT: My name is Janet.
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202 1 PARTICIPANT: Janet?
2 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh.
3 PARTICIPANT: And you're with CNN.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
5 PARTICIPANT: I'll --
6 PARTICIPANT: Have her call --
7 PARTICIPANT: As soon as she gets off her 8 line --
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. And just so she 10 knows, we're calling -- you know, I understand there 11 was a radiation leak at Three Mile Island --
12 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. There wasn't a leak.
13 PARTICIPANT: -- this afternoon.
14 PARTICIPANT: What happened is -- I'll 15 give you what I know is that there was a -- they're 16 doing maintenance, removing a steam generator, and 17 there was some radiation that went airborne that was 18 associated with the removal of that steam generator.
19 So it is not an ongoing thing, and they evacuated 20 personnel around the area. But I'll let her tell you 21 whatever she knows.
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203 1 for me?
2 PARTICIPANT: S-C-R-E-N-C-I.
3 PARTICIPANT: Screnci? S-C-R-E-N-C-I.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
5 PARTICIPANT: Wonderful. Thank you for 6 your help.
7 PARTICIPANT: Il li have her call you as 8 soon as 9 PARTICIPANT: I appreciate it.
10 PARTICIPANT: Bye-bye.
11 PARTICIPANT: Bye-bye.
12 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 13 recorded line. May I help you?
14 MS. FRAY: Yeah. This is Yvonne in OPA.
15 I was knocked off the bridge line.
16 PARTICIPANT: I'll transfer you back up.
17 MS. FRAY: Thank you.
18 TMI-46 19 MR. LEW: Diane, I'm on (inaudible).
20 MS. SCRENCI: I think if we send out -- if 21 we send out a note that said we will be available at 22 noon that the TV stations would just adjust Ralph.
23 MR. LEW: Okay. And you've gone 24 through --
25 PARTICIPANT: All right. Mr. Lew?
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204 1 MR. LEW: Yes.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. You're connected to 3 the Commissioners Assistants briefing bridge, and you 4 can go ahead.
5 MR. LEW: Good evening. I guess good 6 morning. This is *Dave Lew, Director, Division of 7 Reactor Projects for Region I. We have some other 8 folks on the line that may help support my discussion 9 in this briefing.
10 Sam Collins is on the line, as is Mike 11 Johnson, who is acting for Bruce. Darrell Roberts, 12 DRS Director, we have Brian McDermott, who is NSIR, 13 and Diane Screnci, the Region I PAO.
14 Let me start off with telling you the 15 purpose of this discussion. There was an event at TMI 16 today. Based on discussions with the licensee, the 17 event was not a significant impact on public health 18 and safety. However, it has generated significant 19 media interest, and the purpose of *this call is to 20 make you aware of the high media interest, not just by 21 the media, but also there has been interactions with 22 other federal agencies that they have been getting 23 calls from the public and the media as well.
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205 1 their steam generator replacement refueling outage.
2 And, as such, they have a hole in containment to 3 facilitate movement of the steam generator out of 4 containment.
5 At the time of the event, there were 6 approximately 175 workers in containment. They had 7 numerous activities going on inside containment, much 8 of it. focused on the steam generator replacement, 9 prepping and cutting of the Bravo steam generator.
10 At about 1600 this afternoon, there was 11 containment radiation monitor alarms that went off due 12 to a contamination airborne event. The containment 13 was evacuated by the licensee in response to the 14 radiation alarms.
15 They, at the time, secured all activities.
16 They took some -- they took actions to maximize the 17 purge rate to minimize any outleakage of air through 18 the containment hole that was cut for the steam 19 generators. They secured activities. Also, they took 20 radiological readings within the containment.
21 Currently, the readings were as high as 22 two DAC, which is still very low. The current --
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206 1 confirm the source of the airborne activity.
2 That said, they have strong evidence that 3 the source is a sulfate within their -- associated 4 with their Bravo steam generator work. They have 5 secured all work, continue to secure all work until 6 they determine the source of the event.
7 No EAOs were (inaudible), and the licensee 8 is making four-hour 50.72 report due to a press 9 release that they issued a couple of hours ago.
1 The -- let me pause there for any 11 questions on the -- on the plant conditions and the 12 event itself, and then I will cover the media interest 13 and (inaudible) test.
- 14. (No response.)
15 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
16 MR. LEW: Okay. If there are no questions 17 on that --
18 PARTICIPANT: Excuse me. Is the 19 Commissioners Assistants briefing connected? Is 20 anybody listening from the Commissioners Assistants 21 briefing?
22 MS. TROSEAN: This is Leigh Trosean in the 23 EDO's office. I'm listening.
24 PARTICIPANT: Did you hear what was -- Mr.
25 Lew was saying?
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207 1MS. TROSEAN: Yes.
2 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay. I wasn't sure.
3 We -- it was very quiet, and I wasn't -- I was 4 thinking there might have been a technical issue.
5 Go ahead.
6 MS. TROSEAN: I think Pat Castleman is on, 7 too.
8 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Yeah, we have a full 9 complement here on the Commissioners Assistants 10 briefing, but we wanted to make sure that you were 11 listening to the briefing by Mr. Lew.
12 MR. CASTLEMAN: Yeah. This is Pat 13 Castleman. I heard it.
14 PARTICIPANT: And OCA is here.
15 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
16 MR. LEW: The licensee did initially reach 17 out to the state, local, as well as the media.
18 However, there has been a high level of interest that 19 has been generated. A number of ABC, NBC, and CBS 20 affiliates are aware, and, in fact, there have been 21 (inaudible) at the Training Center by ABC. There are 22 a number of articles that have been generated as a 23 result of this event.
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208 1 the media. That information has been funneled through 2 the HOO, and it is being, funneled through our Public 3 Affairs Officer.
4 We also got a call from Rod O'Connor, 5 Chief of Staff of DOE, who Brian McDermott had updated 6 and provided the context of the issues that occurred 7 at TMI.
8 We expect there to be continued high 9 interest tomorrow. There was (inaudible) be doing a 10 number of interviews with the media in the morning.
11 We will be sending out specialists to the site in the 12 morning. Our Public Affairs Officer will also be 13 going out to the site to -- to -- for press outreach, 14 as well as to answer any questions. She will be 15 accompanied by our Branch Chief.
16 It's possible that (inaudible) Region I, 17 seems to work with the state as well. They have been 18 informed, and they have -- they will likely be at the 19 site tomorrow as well to help provide the context and 20 answer any questions.
21 So this is an overview of what has been 22 (inaudible). I will pause there to see if there is 23 any questions, or if there is anything else to add by 24 others on this call.
25 PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is (inaudible) .
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209 1 What other agencies besides Energy?
2 MR. LEW: Department of -- DHS.
3 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thank you.
4 PARTICIPANT: Dave, you mentioned 5 somebody, a Chief of Staff from some office. Who is 6 that?
7 MR. LEW: Ron O'Connor. Did I get that 8 right, Brian?
9 PARTICIPANT: That was Brian McDermott who 10 talked to Ron O'Connor, Dave.
11 MR. LEW: Yes. Ron O'Connor is the name 12 that we got.
13 PARTICIPANT: And he is the Chief of Staff 14 from where?
15 MR. LEW: DOE, Department of Energy.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 MR. COLLINS: I guess -- this is Sam.
18 Diane Screnci, have you rejoined us.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, I have.
20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Diane is our Senior 21 Public Affairs Officer, Region I, and she has talked 22 with the public affairs or external affairs 23 individuals for Exelon for the TMI site.
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210 1 distribution. Some of them perhaps mischaracterized 2 the event. Can you help us with that?
3 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, Sam. There is a --
4 Ralph DeSantis, the *spokesman for TMI, did an 5 interview outside the plant this evening with the ABC 6 affiliate in Harrisburg. And while the article was 7 basically accurate, the headline is wrong. It talks 8 about there being a radiation release at Three Mile 9 Island.
10 They have called to -- or a radiation leak 11 at Three Mile Island. Exelon has called to have that 12 corrected, but I'm looking at it right -now and it is 13 still -- it still has not been corrected.
14 He has also done an interview with the NBC 15 affiliate standing outside the site, and is planning 16 to do another two at about 10:00 tomorrow morning.
17 MR. COLLINS: The connotation of the 18 release inside containment is correct, but --
19 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
20 MR. COLLINS: -- it gives the impression 21 that there is a significant release outside 22 containment, which is perhaps not correct. They'll 23 have to correct that, but that could drive -- that 24 could drive significant media interest in the morning.
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- 211 (inaudible) radiological release, there was some 2 outleakage from the hole that was cut in containment.
3 The initial estimates, bounding estimates, that the 4 licensee had put together was very, very small. It 5 was .4 percent of the -- of the limit in the OCDM. So 6 it was -- they would capture in the normal -- as part 7 of their normal annual report, annual report for the 8 OCDM.
9 MR. COLLINS: And, Dave, just for I1 completeness, my understanding from the discussions 11 with the site were that they were starting recommence 12 work inside containment with the exception of the 13 B-ring, where they thought that the release might have 14 originated from. Is that correct?
15 MR. LEW: Yes. That is correct. That 16 they were planning to restart some activities that 17 were not -- not located where they believe the source 18 of the event started. They still are maintaining that 19 was isolated, as they are (inaudible) folks to 2 continue to do surveys and (inaudible).
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thanks.
22 MS. HAYDEN: This is Beth Hayden. Were 23 there any surveys done outside of the containment 24 anywhere, you know --
25 MR. LEW: Yes.
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212 1 MS. HAYDEN: -- away from the plant 2 itself, at the boundary or --
3 MR. LEW: Thank you, Beth. That's a good 4 question. I didn't cover that. The licensee did do 5 surveys outside of containment. They did not identify 6 any contamination.
7 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
8 MR. LEW: They did have a number of folks 9 who were contaminated. They did whlole body counts on 10 people. The highest reading was 16 millirem, which is
.11 still relatively low, but they had a total of 11 12 people thus far which had (inaudible) of from 10 to 16 13 millirem. And, again, that's conservative based on 14 the whole body count, because they still need to sort 15 out the internal contributors, if any of that 16 contamination contributed to the whole body count, 17 so --
18 MS. HAYDEN: How many people again? I'm 19 sorry.
20 MR. LEW: Eleven people (inaudible) 10 21 millirem.
22 MS. HAYDEN: Thank you. And did they take 23 these people offsite, or are they dealing with them 24 onsite?
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213 1 onsite. Again, it is a relatively low impact. They 2 would decontaminate the people and let them go.
3 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
4 MR. GROBE: Sam, this is Jack Grobe. What
%5 kind of help do you need? You've got the lead on 6 this, right?
7 MR. COLLINS: There is no declared event, 8 Jack, and right now we are in the regional inspection 9 program as far as event response, but not in emergency 10 preparedness event response. And the region has the 11 lead, and Dave Lew and Darrell Roberts are the 12 (inaudible) and they're technical lead. That's 13 correct.
14 MR. GROBE: Do you need some help with 15 interacting with the media or with congressional 16 offices?
17 MS. SCRENCI: We've got congressional 18 affairs on the line. :We'll work with them.
19 MR. COLLINS: Thanks for offering, Jack.
20 I appreciate that. I would say we might understand 21 better in the morning what the demand is going to be.
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214 1 generics, then we'll certainly call, on you for 2 support.
3 MR. GROBE: Okay.
4 MR. COLLINS: If we have to go downtown in 5 the future, you can be the lead.
6 PARTICIPANT: Diane, you're okay?
7 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
8 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
9 MR. LEW: I think we had Jim Bell and Pat 10 Castleman on. I didn't hear the Chairman's office.
11 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, I'm here.
12 MR. LEW: Okay.
13 MR. COLLINS: So we have been coordinating 14 with the Commonwealth. State liaison officer has been 1 in touch with Dave Allard, and we would expect, Diane, 16 if I understand correctly, based on this --
17 MS. SCRENCI: I'm sorry. I didn't hear 18 you, Sam. Hello? Hello?
19 MR. LEW: We may have lost Sam.
20 MR. McDERMOTT: Yeah. Dave, this is Brian 21 McDermott. (Inaudible) ran out of battery on my phone 22 as well, since we have been on here for a while. But 23 the Chief of Staff from the Department of Energy was 24 Rod, R-O-D, O'Connor.
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215 1 believe Sam was -- Sam was asking the question about 2 the coordination with state. I think the state will 3 have some interest in being at the site and perhaps 4 coordinating with us in terms of our public outreach.
5 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
6 PARTICIPANT: This is Amy. Go ahead.
7 MR. BELL: This is Jim Bell. Who is on 8 from the Chairman's office?
9 PARTICIPANT: Tom Hischman.
10 MR. BELL: Tom, okay. I didn't catch your 11 name there.
12 PARTICIPANT: This is Amy in Congressional 13 Affairs. I guess this is for Diane or Beth. Are we 14 doing *a press release at this point, or just in 15 response office from Neil's office?
16 MS. SCRENCI: I was just planning to 17 respond to questions tonight, and then I think we're 18 going to go out there and talk to reporters tomorrow, 19 and just sending them a note tomorrow letting them 20 know that we are going tobe available.
21 MR. HIRSCHMAN: Diane, this is Tom.
22 MS. SCRENCI: Hi, Tom.
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216 1 was--
2 MS. SCRENCI: No. The reporters that I 3 have talked to have just taken the comments from me.
4 MR. HIRSCHIMAN: Okay. Thank you.
5 MS. SCRENCI: So far.
6 PARTICIPANT: This is (inaudible) up in 7 Region III. Is anybody working on talking points?
8 Are the regions getting any inquiries as well?
9 MR. LEW: There have been some e-mails 10 that were put Out there, but no talking points. And I 11 think they are captured somewhat in the -- in the 12 e-mails. However, I don't think we have specific 13 talking points at this point developed, and we will 14 try and work on how best to get alignment, make sure 15 everyone is on the same page.
16 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. That was an excellent 17 question, Jack. The answer, if anybody else in the 18 agency gets a call, should be that we are aware of the 19 situation and that -- and refer them to Ms. Screnci in 20 *Region I. We shouldn't have multiple people talking 21 about this event. Region I has got it, and it is not 22 even an event, excuse me, but Region I has got it and 23 we should refer them to Region I.
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217 I based on the offsite notification. They just-- they 2 just called this in.
3 MR. COLLINS: Dave, do you agree with 4 that?
5 MR. LEW: This is Dave Lew. I understand 6 that they have just submitted a four-hour report based 7 on their public notification.
8 PARTICIPANT: Headquarters Operations 9 Officer. That is correct, David.
10 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Could you forward 11 that notification to the RDOs in the other regions as 12 well, then?
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, we'll forward that to 14 the RDOs. Absolutely.
15 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
16 PARTICIPANT: If congressional could get 17 that as well. The only thing I have, is the HOO 18 highlight from a little bit before midnight.
19 MR. COLLINS: Yes, there's no new 20 information.
21 MR. LEW: Right. There is basically no 22 new information from the HOO highlight, but, yeah, 23 we'll get the event notification to OCA.
24 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
25 MR. LEW: And to Diane Screnci.
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218 1 PARTICIPANT: You know, I (inaudible) we 2 will be -- we will be looking at trying to investigate 3 it (inaudible) key messages together for the 4 congressional stakeholders. We will get it to the 5 Public Affairs Officer, but we also need to get it to 6 Congressional Affairs --
7 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
8 PARTICIPANT: -- interactions there as 9 well as to the HOO as they get into calls from other 10 state agencies. We will work on that as a priority.
11 PARTICIPANT: Yes. From congressional, 12 given the level of interest, some of you are expecting 13 stories in the morning. I've got to get something out 14 to folks just to let them know we're on it.
15 PARTICIPANT: I understand. What 16 timeframe would you think you'll need that by?
17 PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry. I didn't hear 18 you.
19 PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible.)
20 MR. COLLINS: Amy, this is Sam. Do you 21 need anything from us to help you with your 22 congressional stakeholders?
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219 press release of our own at some point, I would need that.
MR. COLLINS: We have a couple of e-mai ls we can send you, too --
PARTICIPANT: Okay.
MR. COLLINS: -- from the event. We c an give you one in the morning when we get in there.
MS. SCRENCI: Amy, do you want to see a copy of the Exelon press release?
PARTICIPANT: That would be great. Do y ou have it electronically, Diane?
MS. SCRENCI: I do. I already sent it to you.
,PARTICIPANT: Okay. I'm going to try to get into Web Mail.
MR. LEW: So are there any other questions on the (inaudible)?
MR. CASTLEMAN: Yeah, this is Pat Castleman. What is the status of work in the containment right now?
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220 1 areas not associated -- not associated with where they 2 .. believe the source of the airborne occurred today.
3 MS. CASTLEMAN: Thank you.
4 PARTICIPANT: Did they seal the hole with 5 any kind of vapor barrier or anything like that after 6 the alarms went off?
7 MR. LEW: I do not know that they have a 8 vapor barrier that has been established.
9 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
10 MR. LEW: Currently the containment is not 11 required. They have offloaded all the fuel from the 12 source.
13 PARTICIPANT: They have what, Dave?
1 MR. LEW: They have offloaded all the fuel 15 from the source, so containment is no longer required.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 MR. LEW: That's it.
18 PARTICIPANT: What did they receive at 19 1600? What was (inaudible)?
2 MR. LEW: Say again?
21 PARTICIPANT: You said an alarm was 22 received at 1600. I think you said it was a 23 (inaudible) rad monitor alarm. Is that right?
24 . MR. LEW: It was in containment, the rad 25 monitors went off, multiple.
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221 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And you said they took -- they took some (inaudible). What were the readings?
PARTICIPANT: 16 millirem.
MR. LEW: The readings, they took readings in DAC.
PARTICIPANT: Okay.
MR. LEW: Divided air concentration..
PARTICIPANT: And what did they come out as?
MR. LEW: I think they had maximum -- they had readings as much as two DAC. Near the opening of containment it was about .2 DAC. Currently, they are back to normal levels of about .3 DAC.
PARTICIPANT: Okay.
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MR. BARNES: Yes. Good morning. This is Roger Barnes from Three Mile Island. I have an Event Notification Worksheet to read to you.
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222 time of 1:13 a.m.
2 MR. BARNES: 1:13 a.m.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: And this is TMI?
4 MR. BARNES: That's correct.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: And name of the caller is 6 Ron--
7 MR. BARNES: No, Roger, R-O-G-E-R.
MR. HUFFMAN: Barnes, B-A-R-N-E-S?
9 MR. BARNES: That's correct.
1 MR. HUFFMAN: And what is your callback 1 number, Mr. Barnes?
12 MR. BARNES: Callback number is area code
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1 MR. BARNES: Correct.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. And my name is Bill 17 Huffman, H-U-F-F-M-A-N.
18 MR. BARNES: Bill Huffman, H-U-F-F-M-A-N.
19 MR. HUFFMAN: And I'll give you a 2 notification number of 45514.
21 MR. BARNES: 45514 would be the EN number.
A 22 MR. HUFFMAN: Correct. And event time?
23 MR. BARNES: Event time 2245 Eastern 24 Standard Time.
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223 1 11/20?
2 MR. BARNES: 11/21.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: I mean, 11/21. 11/21, okay.
4 MR. BARNES: That's correct.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. Power before and 6 after is defueled, I assume?
7 MR. BARNES: Yes. We are refueling 8 shutdown mode at this time.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. And you are defueled, 10 right?
11 MR. BARNES: That is correct.
12 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. And what is the 13 event classification?
14 MR. BARNES: Okay. This is an offsite 15 notification.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. So four-hour 17 notification?
18 MR. BARNES: That is correct. It's under 19 the four-hour non-emergency --
20 MR. HUFFMAN: Do you have anything you can 21 fax me after this call?
22 MR. BARNES: You bet. I can fax this 23 right to you.
24 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. It's -- the fax 25 number is 301-816-5151.
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224 1 MR. BARNES: That would be 301-816-5151.
2 MR. HUFFMAN: Yes. So go ahead and read 3 me your description on your --
4 MR. BARNES: Okay. Would you want me to read it slow or in a normal -- normal speed?
6 MR. HUFFMAN: Normal speed, since you're 7 going to fax it to me.
8 MR. BARNES: Okay, good. This event is 9 being reported via the ENS to the- NRC Operations 10 Center within four hours after notifications were made 11 to the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency and 12 local counties for an event of potential public 13 interest. This notification was made at 2245 hours0.026 days <br />0.624 hours <br />0.00371 weeks <br />8.542225e-4 months <br /> on 14 November 21, 2009, after the occurrence of an event 15 related to the safety and health of onsite personnel 16 for which a press release has been made.
17 The press release was made following the 18 event of potential public interest, notifications.
19 This report is being made under 10 CFR 72.75(b) (2).
20 At approximately 1600 hours0.0185 days <br />0.444 hours <br />0.00265 weeks <br />6.088e-4 months <br /> on Saturday, November 21, 21 2009, low levels of radiation activity were measured 22 on radiation monitors installed in the Three Mile 23 Island Unit 1 reactor building.
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225 1 immediately leave the reactor building until the 2 source of activity could be identified. Surveys 3 indicated -- outside of the reactor building 4 *construction opening indicated a slight, increase in 5 activity. Levels have returned to normal. No 6 contamination was identified outside of the reactor 7 building.
8 Approximately 150 workers were monitored 9 for exposure to the radiation activity. . No worker 10 approached or exceeded any exposure limits. The 11 sources of activity are believed to be from 12 maintenance tests related to cutting lines in 13 preparation for removal of the Bravo steam generator.
14 That is the text of the form.
15 MR. HUFFMAN: So has everybody been -- of 16 these 150 people, has everybody been surveyed by HP 17 and cleared?
18 MR. BARNES: I don't know if everybody has 19 been surveyed, but I can get -- I'll write that 20 question down, and we can get back to you on that.
21 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. So, and there was no 22 significance so far nobody has received any 23 significant contamination?
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226 1 back to acceptable levels, so that you can go in 2 containment now?
3 MR. BARNES: I'm going to have to write that down. At this time, I believe surveys are still 5 going on in the reactor building. But I will write 6 the question down, and, again, someone with a little 7 more knowledge of the current situation can get back 8 to you.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. Is -- and there 10 is no -- there is no ongoing -- whatever caused this 11 radioactive release, I assume it's airborne?
12 MR. BARNES: It was -- it was airborne, 13 correct.
14 MR. HUFFMAN: I assume that -- that 15 whatever caused this, you don't believe it's ongoing.
16 Has it been --
17 MR. BARNES: That is correct.
18 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. And there is no 19 evidence that it went outside of containment?
20 MR. BARNES: Well, reading the form, they 21 -- they did detect a slight bit of contamination --
22 not contamination but radiation levels were slightly 23 elevated on the outside, but no contamination was 24 found on the outside of the reactor building.
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227 1 using handheld instruments or -
2 MR. BARNES: That I'm not sure of either.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. So the 4 ventilation and everything, I guess there are 5 probably, what, big holes in containment. It's 6 probably hard to get ventilation under control, but I 7 assume *everything is trying to -- they're trying to 8 put ventilation through HEPA filters and all that.
9 MR. BARNES: Right. What we did was 10 secure the reactor building purge supply fans 11 immediately, and just use the exhaust .fans, so all air 12 was coming in through the breach in conta~inment.
13 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. So it's all flowing 14 in, not out.
15 MR. BARNES: That is correct.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. All right. And has 17 the resident been notified?
18 .MR. BARNES: Let me -- has the resident 19 been notified? Yes, the resident has been notified.
20 MR. HUFFMAN: You don't know, by any 21 chance, if he is reporting to the site. or not, do you?
22 MR. BARNES: Is he reporting to the site?
23 or has he reported to the site?
24 I'm asking the shift manager. And we 25 don't know the answer to that question.
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228 1 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. And you did notify 2 state and local authorities?
3 MR. BARNES: That is correct.
4 MR. HUFFMAN: Any other government 5 agencies?
6 MR. BARNES: Just PEMA and the local 7 agencies, as far as I know. Any other agencies been 8 -- no, just PEMA and the local agencies.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: Has media or a press release 1C been issued?
11 MR. BARNES: And a press release was 12 issued.
13 MR. HUFFMAN: By any chance, when you send 14 me the event thing, could you fax me a copy of the 15 press release? Unless it's hard to get hold of.
16 MR. BARNES: Do we have a copy of the 17 press release? Yes, we do, and I can fax that to you.
18 MR. HUFFMAN: That would be great.
19 Anything unusual not understood, other than the cause 20 of the event?
21 MR. BARNES: No.
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229 1 to --
2 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. And all systems 3 function as required, is that N/A or -- I mean, there 4-is 5 MR. BARNES: That would be N/A.
6 MR. HUFFMAN: I mean, there was really 7 there was no actuation of any safety system.
8 MR. BARNES: That is correct. No 9 actuation of safety systems, so that was non-10 applicable at this time.
11 MR. HUFFMAN: Alarms went off because of 12 high levels. So that all worked fine. Everybody did 13 what they were supposed to do and --
14 MR. BARNES: That is correct. The alarms 15 in containment, they went off, and an immediate 16 evacuation of the reactor building was made.
17 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. All right. Anything 18 else that you have on your worksheet that you need to 19 tell me?
20 MR. BARNES: I'll take one more look.
21 MR. HUFFMAN: And you've got everything 22 you need from me?
23 MR. BARNES: Yes. I have everything I 24 need from you, and I have nothing else in my 25 worksheets to --
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230 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. So you've got 2 the notification number, the notification time. My 3 name is Bill Huffman, and you're going to fax me the sheet and press release to 301-816-5151.
5 MR. BARNES: That's correct.
6 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. Thanks, Roger.
7 MR. BARNES: Okay. Thanks, Bill.
8 MR. HUFFMAN: Bye-bye.
9 MR. BARNES: Bye.
10 TMI-48 11 PARTICIPANT: Any other questions?
12 (No response.)
13 Okay. I know it's late. I do appreciate 14 your -- your participation in the call, and we will be 15 available any time tonight if there is additional 16 questions.
17 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
18 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Beth?
19 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah?
2 PARTICIPANT: Can we talk separately?
21 MS. HAYDEN: Yep.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
23 PARTICIPANT: Any problem if I stay on for.
.24 that, you guys? Diane and Beth?
25 PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry. What's that?
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231 1 PARTICIPANT: This is Amy in Congressional 2 Affairs. Can I join in with you guys?
3 PARTICIPANT: Sure.
4 MR. COLLINS: Diane, you and I were in a 5 discussion also about timing for the site --
6 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, we were.
7 MR. COLLINS: -- presence also. So did I 8 understand that you are going to arrange that for the 9 afternoon, is that correct?
10 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. I would think that it 11 would make most sense for John and Ron to get thereto 12 at least to be able to talk to Javier before they talk 13 to reporters. It just doesn't -- I just think it 14 makes a little bit of -- more sense for them to say, 15 you know, "We've begun our work, and now, you know, 16 we're talking to you," and then -- and then go back to 17 work.
18 MR. COLLINS: Sure. Do you think you'll 19 get the reporters out there twice, one for Exelon and 20 once for us?'-,
21 MS. SCRENCI: I think that if we -- if we 22 do it for like noon that maybe they will just push 23 Ralph back.
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232 just keep the team --
MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
MR. COLLINS: -- informed in the morning.
MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I'll do that.
MR. COLLINS: All right. Can I keep the Region I team on the bridge? And, Mike, do you want to stay on the line?
MR. JOHNSON: I'm --
MR. COLLINS: Or are you good to go?
MR. JOHNSON: I'm good to go, Sam. Thank you. I'll look for the update in the morning.
MR. COLLINS: Yep. We'll give you an e-mail, or do you want to call me?
MR. JOHNSON: E-mail is great.
MR. COLLINS: All right. We'll do it.
MR. JOHNSON: But call if -- either, whatever -- whatever you feel like, Sam.
MR. COLLINS: Okay. We'll shoot you an e-mail.
PARTICIPANT: Is Diane Screnci still on?
This is the Headquarters Operations Center.
MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
PARTICIPANT: Diane? mn individual from CNN just called.
MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
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233 1 PARTICIPANT: Can I give that to you now?
2 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
3 i1...........
PARTICIPANT: It's Janet from CNN. Her
ý(b)(6) 4 number is:
5 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
6 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
7 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks.
8 MR. COLLINS: And you have what you need 9 for that call with her?
10 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, I think so. I think 1 I'm okay, Sam.
12 MR. COLLINS: All right. If you -- don't 13 hesitate to reach out if you need any information 14 tonight.
15 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I'll do that.
16 MR. COLLINS: All right?
17 MS. SCRENCI: Thank you.
MR. COLLINS: All right, then. Thanks, 19 Diane.
2 PARTICIPANT: Sam, this is Jack. I'm 21 dropping off, okay?
MR. COLLINS: All right, Jack. Thanks for 2] joining us. Appreciate it.
24 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Good night.
2E MR. COLLINS: Yeah. Good night.
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234 1 MS. SCRENCI: Can you separate Beth and 2 Amy and me?
3 MS. FRAY: Do you need me? It's Yvonne.
4 MS. SCRENCI: I don't think so.
5 MS. FRAY: Because we talked off.
6 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
7 PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is the --
8 MS. FRAY: Let me know if you need any 9 support.
iC PARTICIPANT: Yeah. This is the 11 Operations Officer. I' 11 separate the bridges, and 12 you can just stay on the Commissioner Assistants 13 bridge to talk.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thanks.
1.5 PARTICIPANT
Okay. Thank you.
16 MR. COLLINS: Thanks, everybody.
17 PARTICIPANT: Half an hour.
18 MR. COLLINS:. Dave, are you all set for 19 the morning as far as getting in there? I'll join you 20 in there probably sometime between 8:00 and 9:00.
21 MR. LEW: Yes. I'm all set. I probably 22 -- I should, at that time, be (inaudible).
23 PARTICIPANT: Okay. The Commissioner 24 Assistants briefing is separated from the NRC 25 management bridge.
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235 1 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
3 PARTICIPANT: Diane, are you there?
4 PARTICIPANT: Oh, Diane must have been on 5 the other bridge. I'll pull her out.
6 MR. COLLINS: Hey, are you there? I think 7 Dave and I are there primarily I think just for 8 coordination, to be sure that everything is on the 9 rail.
10 PARTICIPANT: This happened at 1600 hours0.0185 days <br />0.444 hours <br />0.00265 weeks <br />6.088e-4 months <br />?
11 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.. And it's what? And 12 they were what? And it's what now?
13 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Diane?
14 PARTICIPANT: Yes.
15 PARTICIPANT: Are you on -- is Diane one?
16 PARTICIPANT: Diane, are you on?
17 (No response.)
18 PARTICIPANT: No, she is not on. Let me 19 find her.
20 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
21 PARTICIPANT: We'll take a look and see if 22 -- if there is anything that's (inaudible). The fact 23 that we're getting folks out there tomorrow and there 24 may be more event responsive (inaudible) special 25 inspection.
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236 1 PARTICIPANT: Would Diane Screnci press 2 star zero, please?
3 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
4 PARTICIPANT: We'll have to go through the 5 process and make sure (inaudible).
6 PARTICIPANT: Okay, Diane. I'll place you 7 on the bridge with the others.
8 MS. SCRENCI: Thank you.
9 MR. COLLINS: Is there anything else we 10 need to talk about tonight?
11 MR. LEW: Well, no, I think we're all set.
12 MS. SCRENCI: Well, at least I'm not all 13 groggy.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Diane, you're on the 15 bridge now.
16 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks. Okay. I just 17 wanted to -- I did not wake up Neil.
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
19 MS. SCRENCI: I sent him the same e-mail 20 that I sent to you.
21 PARTICIPANT: I got it.
22 MS. SCRENCI: So he may or may not know 23 about this. I am planning to drive out to TMI 24 tomorrow.
25 PARTICIPANT: Tomorrow, okay. What time?
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237 MS. SCRENCI: Probably -- you know, I 2 think it takes a little bit over two hours to get
.3 there. So probably about 9:00.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay. So but this isn't 5 considered an event.
6 MS. SCRENCI: It is not. Not in our 7 world.
8 PARTICIPANT: Exactly.
9 MS. SCRENCI: It's not a UE or alert kind 10 of thing, correct.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
12 MS. SCRENCI: But it's getting a lot of 13 attention, and Sam said you want us to -- do we want 14 to go out there and just stand in front of the cameras 15 and be done with it? And it just seems to make the 16 most sense.
17 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, that's fine.
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
19 PARTICIPANT: I have no problem with that.
20 I have to apologize. I am not sure I understood 21 everything that David Lew told -- said. I had a hard 22 time understanding him. Maybe it was my connection.
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238 1 they were doing maintenance. You know, they are 2 replacing the steam generators, and this is the plant 3 where they cut the containment.
4 PARTICIPANT: Right.
MS. SCRENCI: They have a hole in the 6 containment.
7 PARTICIPANT: Right. Okay.
8 MS. SCRENCI: And, you know, normally, the 9 plant -- and this is not anything that I've told all 10 of the reporters, but normally the plant -- the 11 containment is under negative pressure, so air comes 12 in, doesn't go out.
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Right?
15 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
16 MS. SCRENCI: It's not -- they had noticed 17 earlier that they knew -- they know that it wasn't 18 under negative pressure, because they -- I think that 19 they did have the plastic there.
20 PARTICIPANT: Yeah?
21 MS. SCRENCI: Because they said that they 22 could see it moving --
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239 1 when the alarm went off, and I don't think we do know 2 the answer to that. But we know that it was there at 3 some point during the day, but they were doing a lot 4 of work during the day.
5 So, you know, they're working along, and 6 all of a sudden the alarm goes off, and they -- you 7 know, they keep calling it they sent the workers home, 8 and I've gone --
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
10 MS. SCRENCI: -- with that, too, so that 11 you don't use the word "evacuate.'
12 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh, okay.
13 MS. SCRENCI: Their press release says 14 that they sent *the workers home, because once this 15 happened you are not doing any work, and you really 16 don't need them there. So, you know, at least most of 17 that is -- it's mostly true.
18 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
19 MS. SCRENCI: They evacuated that floor 20 because the alarms went off. They sent everybody home 21 because now they can't do the work.
22 PARTICIPANT: I see.
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240 1 setting it off. And when you set it off, they sent 2 you for the whole body-count. Some of those workers 3 -- some of the workers that got the whole body count 4 showed, I don't know, 15 16 millirem.
5 PARTICIPANT: 16 was the highest they 6 said?
7 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah, 16 was the highest. I 8 have it written down somewhere. It's in the e-mail.
9 Three was the lowest millirem.
10 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay.
11 MS. SCRENCI: It was real low numbers.
12 This does not have an impact on the public or the 13 workers.
14 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh, okay. Yeah, it's 15 low. We know that it's low. But, you know, any 16 radiation gets everybody excited.
17 MS. SCRENCI: Yes. Now --
18 PARTICIPANT: And that plant in particular 19 I would think.
20 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
21 PARTICIPANT: Is that (inaudible)?
22 MS. SCRENCI: That's what ABC told me.
23 PARTICIPANT: What are we telling the 24 media?
25 MS. SCRENCI: I am telling them that --
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241 1 well, I tell them that they were doing maintenance and 2 the airborne monitors alarmed at about 4:00. They had 3 all their workers leave the area, that the -- that 4 some of the workers had -- were exposed to -- had 5 radiation exposures, but there was no significant 6 contamination. This didn't have an impact on the 7 workers or the public. That we're sending a 8 specialist to the site, and --
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. What kind of 10 specialist is that?
11 MS. SCRENCI: He's a radiation specialist.
12 John White is the Branch Chief that includes the 13 radiation specialists.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. All right.
15 MS. SCRENCI: The HPs and the reactor HPs.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 MS. SCRENCI: And John White --
18 fortunately, John White also decided to go to the 19 site, because he is really good with the reporters.
20 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I finally 21 got to -- got the press release and your e-mail to me, 22 which is a help. Thank you very much. I don't know 23 why I can't get into Web Mail, but thank God they got 24 my Blackberry squared away Friday.
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242 1 Exelon's release that you sent me.
2 PARTICIPANT: Good.
3 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks.
4 PARTICIPANT: I tried -- I did attempt to call you at some point. It was like 11:20. And when 6
I got your voice mail, I didn't -- I didn't try again.
7 MS. SCRENCI: I didn't know there was 8 going to be a Commissioners Assistants brief until 9 like 10 after 12:00.
PARTICIPANT: Yeah. I think they called 11 me at quarter of 1:00 and told me to call back.
12 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. There was some 13 question about, you know, with Congressional Affairs 14 -- I've talked to Yvonne, because she had e-mailed me.
15 PARTICIPANT: Right, right.
16 MS. SCRENCI: And she was on the call, and 17 -- and I told her that I'm fine.
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And I sent her 19 everything also.
20 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. All right. Well, if 21 there's any way -- any help you need, please --
22 PARTICIPANT: It sounds like you have --
23 MS. SCRENCI: -- come by tomorrow and do 24 the press conference. There you go.
25 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Tha t's fine.
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243 1 (Laughter.)
2 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Diane, can you talk --
3 talk me through. It wasn't an evacuation, but they 4 sent people home? Talk me through that nuance again.
5 MS. SCRENCI: Usually you don't -- you 6 don't use the word "evacuation."
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
8 MS. SCRENCI: Right, so it -- but really 9 what they did was they evacuated the reactor floor --
10 the containment floor. So all of the -- there were 11 about 150 workers in there. They had them all come 12 out of there. And then, they decided to send them 13 home, and when you're leaving the plant, you know how 14 you go through those monitors --
15 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Yep, yep.
16 MS. SCRENCI: -- that's what -- some of 17 those workers were setting off the monitors.
18 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
19 PARTICIPANT: Do they know where the heck 20 this radiation came from?
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244 1 know at this point.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. All right. So I 3 assume Ralph' is in touch with you off and on?
4 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. I have -- actually, I 5 have talked to Beth Archer mostly, but I did talk 6 to--
7 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay.
8 MS. SCRENCI: -- Ralph once I found out 9 that he was going to do interviews in the morning, 10 because I wanted to know that time he was going to do 11 those.
12 PARTICIPANT: Yep.
13 MS. SCRENCI: The ops officer offered to 14 stop forwarding calls to me, so that I could go to 15 sleep.
16 PARTICIPANT: I was just going to say, 17 yeah, okay. So are you going to call back the CNN 18 person and then.-
19 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
20 PARTICIPANT: -- call it quits?
21 PARTICIPANT: Well, you know, if they get 22 that stupid headline corrected, that would be a big 23 help.
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245 1 story, because. my name is in it now, not spelled 2 correctly, but --
3 PARTICIPANT: Oh.
MS. SCRENCI: -- but it --
5 PARTICIPANT: Wow.
6 MS. SCRENCI: It's amazing it wasn't me.
7 It was some person with an H in their name.
8 (Laughter.)
9 PARTICIPANT: Got you on a technicality.
4 10 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Well, I was just surprised 12 that this all happened at 4:00, and then everybody 13 gets all wound up at midnight.
14 PARTICIPANT: At 1:00 a.m., yeah.
15 MS. SCRENCI: Well, Beth Archer called me 16 -- let me think when that was -- and then I started to 17 -- I don't know what time it was. I was watching a 18 move, maybe it was quarter to 10:00 or something like 19 that.
20 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh, uh-huh.
2 MS. SCRENCI: And then, by quarter after 22 10:00 I was on a conference call. I started to 23 immediately call somebody and I thought, nah, I'll 24 just wait for them to put me on the conference call.
25 (Laughter.)
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246 Andthey put out a press release at 11:30, 2 but I don't --
3 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
MS. SCRENCI: -- think that they intended to put out a press release tonight until they -- they started to get calls about it.
7 PARTICIPANT: Sure.
8 MS. SCRENCI: And that was the workers in 9 line waiting to get monitored.
1 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Because the TV station told 12 me, "I understand there are people waiting in line to 13 leave the plant."
1 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Well, that's why I 1 was wondering what happened to these contaminated 16 people. Okay.
17 MS. SCRENCI: I mean, you're just get 18 decontaminated and go home.
19 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, okay.
20 M SC"RElN.C.I...: ,."..,",,Bu~t I..think. that,,. there was..
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247 PARTICIPANT: Oh, great.
2 MS. SCRENCI: So I don't -- I didn't hear 3 all of Dave's discussion, so if there was any talk of (7)(A) 4 5
6 7
8 PARTICIPANT: Ah.
(b)(7 )(A) 9 MS. SCRENCI:
(b)(7)(A) 10 1 PARTICIPANT: Ah. Okay. I. don't remember 12 him saying anything about that.
13 MS. SCRENCI: He may not have on that 14 call, but, you know, if you were part of any of the --
15 I've been on the phone at this point since 10:00, 16 something like that.
17 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Yikes.
18 MS. SCRENCI: Right.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Well, I don't want 20 O --
21 MS. SCRENCI: I never did see the end of t]
22 he movie.
23 (Laughter.)
24 PARTICIPANT: What movie? The butler did 25 i( t.
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248 MS. SCRENCI: Revolutionary Road.
2 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay. I was watching 3 Top Hat.
4 (Laughter.)
5 Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers.
6 MS. SCRENCI: I think that was a better 7 -movie.
8 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah?
9 MS. SCRENCI: Hard to beat the classics 10 sometimes.
11 PARTICIPANT: All right. Well, we'll let 12 you go.
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
14 PARTICIPANT: Again, if you need anything, 15 call me. I'll be at home, obviously.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 PARTICIPANT: And --
18 PARTICIPANT: Well, I'll fill Neil in, 19 because he is -
20 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
21 PARTICIPANT: -- you know that I can't use 22 my phone in the car because of that Presidential 23 directive.
24 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah, I know. I pointed 25 that out to Elliott.
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249 1 (Laughter.)
2 PARTICIPANT: Yeah, yeah. I'll bet that 3 was heated.
4 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah. I'm sure he was 5 just --
6 PARTICIPANT: He said, "Oh, right.
7 Forgot."
8 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah, sure. "Let me not 9 do that anymore."
10 PARTICIPANT: Right, yeah. I'll get right 11 on that.
12 (Laughter.)
13 Wow.
14 PARTICIPANT: But --
15 PARTICIPANT: Okay. I'll put up -- just 16 so we're clear, I'll put up something quickly to the 17 congressionals, just so they're not surprised by it or 18 they have at least heard from us.
19 PARTICIPANT: Right. Because at this 20 point they're going to hear it on CNN.
21 PARTICIPANT: Exactly.
22 PARTICIPANT: Not --
23 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Amy, would you be --
24 would you typically send them the licensee's press 25 release?
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250 I PARTICIPANT: No, I wouldn't.
2 PARTICIPANT: No?
3 PARTICIPANT: Nope.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
5 PARTICIPANT: They'll tell our story.
6 PARTICIPANT: They have --
7 PARTICIPANT: Well, I have notified, you 8 know, the multitudes. They may --
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
10 PARTICIPANT: I don't know whether --
11 PARTICIPANT: I'm sure they probably --
12 they should have. They are usually good about that.
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
14 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
15 PARTICIPANT: One of the reporters who 16 said something like, "Well, we don't know if we can 17 trust that company, because you remember TMI?" And I 18 said, "You know, it has been a long time, and I think 19 they're a little better than they were then."
20 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Yeah. I was 21 surprised on the conference call, I don't think that 22 -- maybe everybody was asleep, but no -- hardly 23 anybody had any questions with regard to the -- you 24 know, what was going on technically.
25 PARTICIPANT: No. No.
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251 1 PARTICIPANT: And, you know, it -- a 2 briefing like that at 2:00 in the afternoon gets a lot 3 of calls -- I mean, gets a lot of questions.
4 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
PARTICIPANT: I think everybody is half-6 awake, but, you know, I think--
7 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
8 PARTICIPANT: -- Dave sounds tired, too.
9 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
1 PARTICIPANT: So --
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay. All right. Well, 12 again, if there's anything you need, let me know.
13 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay?
15 PARTICIPANT: I 'Ill let you know how it 16 goes tomorrow.
17 PARTICIPANT: All right. Thank you, 18 Diane.
19 PARTICIPANT: Thanks.
20 PARTICIPANT: Thank you, both.
21 PARTICIPANT: Bye.
22 TMI-48_1 23 PARTICIPANT: Any other questions?
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252 1 your -- your participation in the call, and we will be 1
2 available any time tonight if there is additional 3 questions.
4 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
5 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Beth?
6 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah?
7 PARTICIPANT: Can we talk separately?
8 MS. HAYDEN: Yep.
9 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
10 PARTICIPANT: Any problem if I stay on for 11 that, you guys? Diane and Beth?
12 PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry. What's that?
13 PARTICIPANT: This is Amy in Congressional 14 Affairs. Can I join in with you guys?
15 PARTICIPANT: Sure.
16 MR. COLLINS: Diane, you and I were in a 17 discussion also about timing for the site --
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yes, we were.
19 MR. COLLINS: -- presence also. So did I 20 understand that you are going to arrange that for the 21 afternoon, is that correct?
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253 1 makes a little bit of -- more sense for them to say, 2 you know, "We've begun our work, and now, you know, 3 we're talking to you," and then -- and then go back to work.
5 MR. COLLINS: Sure. Do you think you'll get the reporters out there twice, one for Exelon and 7 once for us?
8 MS. SCRENCI: I think that if we -- if we 9 do it for like noon that maybe they will just push 1 Ralph back.
11 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I understand. Okay.
12 We'll let you work your magic on that, then. You can 13 just keep the team 14 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
15 MR. COLLINS: -- informed in the morning.
1 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I'll do that.
17 MR. COLLINS: All right. Can I keep the 18 Region I team on the bridge? And, Mike, do you want 19 to stay on the line?
20 MR. JOHNSON: I'm 21 MR. COLLINS: Or are you good to go?
22 MR. JOHNSON: I'm good to go, Sam. Thank 23 you. I'll look for the update in the morning.
24 MR. COLLINS: Yep. We'll give you an 25 e-mail, or do you want to call me?
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254 1 MR. JOHNSON: E-mail is great.
2 MR. COLLINS: All right. We'll do it.
3 MR. JOHNSON: But call if -- either, 4 whatever whatever you feel like, Sam.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay, We'll shoot you an e-mail.
7 PARTICIPANT: Is Diane Screnci still on??
8 This is the Headquarters Operations Center.
9 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
10 PARTICIPANT: Diane? An individual from ]
11 CNN just called.
12 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
13 PARTICIPANT: Can I give that to you now?
14 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
15 PARTICIPANTL-__I-ts Janet from CNN. Her i(b)(6) 16 number is:
17 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
18 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks.
2 MR. COLLINS: And you have what you need 2 for that call with her?
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2 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I'll do that.
3 MR. COLLINS: All right?
4 MS. SCRENCI: Thank you.
5 MR. COLLINS: All right, then. Thanks, 6 Diane.
7 PARTICIPANT: Sam, this is Jack. I'm 8 dropping off, okay?
9 MR. COLLINS: All right, Jack. Thanks for 10 joining us. Appreciate it.
11 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Good night.
12 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. Good night.
13 MS. SCRENCI: Can you separate Beth and 14 Amy and me?
1 MS. FRAY: Do you need me? It's Yvonne.
16 MS. SCRENCI: I don't think so.
17 MS. FRAY: Because we talked off.
18 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
19 PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is the --
20 MS. FRAY: Let me know if you need any 21 support.
22 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. This is the 23 Operations Officer. I'll separate the bridges, and 24 you can just stay on the Commissioner Assistants 25 bridge to talk.
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256 I PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thanks.
2 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thank you.
3 MR. COLLINS: Thanks, everybody.
4 PARTICIPANT: Half an hour.
MR. COLLINS: Dave, are you all set for 6 the morning as far as getting in there? I'll join you 7 in there probably sometime between 8:00 and 9:00.
8 TMI-48_2 9 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 10 recorded line. May I help you?
11 MS. SCRENCI: Hi. It's Diane Screnci.
12 PARTICIPANT: Diane, hi. I hope you 13 called this Janet, because she is --
14 MS. SCRENCI: I did. I just got off the 15 phone with her.
16 PARTICIPANT: Excellent. Thank you.
17 MS. SCRENCI: I just wound up being on the 18 phone with Beth and Amy for a while.
19 PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay.
2 MS. SCRENCI: If you could hold calls, I 21 want to get some sleep.
22 PARTICIPANT: Will do. I'll just tell 23 them that we'll have you contact them in the morning.
24 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. And then I'll call --
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257 1 I'll just call and get the messages then.
2 PARTICIPANT: All right. You've been 3 terrific. Sorry to keep bugging you.
4 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, that's okay.
5 PARTICIPANT: And there -- yeah. I think 6 if itiahadn't -- it had been another site besides TMI, 7 none of this would have happened.
8 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. Well, yeah. You know 9
10 PARTICIPANT: There's something about TMI.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. And you know what?
12 PARTICIPANT: It's got name recognition.
13 MS. SCRENCI: And that's what's funny, 14 because that's what the reporters -- not that -- not 15 the local reporters, but that's what the bigger 16 reporters say to me. They go, "You know, this is TMI.
17 Theyhad the accident." I'm like, "No."
18 PARTICIPANT: Oh, really? They did?
19 .(Laughter.)
20 Wow. I didn't remember that.
21 (Laughter.)
22 Good job, Diane.
23 MS. SCRENCI: Thanks. Thanks for your 24 help.
25 PARTICIPANT: All right. Bye-bye.
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258 MS. SCRENCI: Bye-bye.
2 TMI-49 3 MR. HUFFMAN: NRC Operations Center 4 recorded line. Can I help you?
5 MR. PARFITT: Yes. My name is Brad 6 Parfitt. I'm the shift manager at Three Mile Island.
7 We've given you an ENS notification earlier this 8 evening.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: Yeah, Brad.
10 MR. PARFITT: Hey. And I think it was 11 Bill Huffman that --
12 MR. HUFFMAN: You're talking to him right 13 now.
14 MR. PARFITT: Oh, okay, Bill. So I just 15 wanted to get back to you with the follow-up questions 16 that you had.
17 MR. HUFFMAN: Oh. Oh, great. Fine.
18 MR. PARFITT: Okay?
19 MR. HUFFMAN: Yes.
2 MR. PARFITT: So the first question we had 21 was: has everyone been surveyed?
22 MR. HUFFMAN: Right.
23 MR. PARFITT: So of the 132, roughly, 24 people involved, all have gone through the personnel 25 contamination monitors. There's 132 of those --
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259 i alarmed the contamination monitors, and we're doing 2 follow-up whole body counts on those individuals. And 3 as of 0200, all but 39 of those have been whole body 4 counted.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: Well, let me ask, so how 6 many actually alarmed the monitors?
7 MR. PARFITT: 132. I believe there were 8 150 people --
9 MR. HUFFMAN: 132 that had some level of 10 contamination.
11 MR. PARFITT: That's correct.
12 MR. HUFFMAN: And then, of those, 13 everybody has been whole -- how many have been whole 1 body -- or how many are left to whole body count?
15 MR. PARFITT: 39 as of 45 minutes ago.
16 MR. HUFFMAN: 39 left for whole body 17 count. And of the ones that have had whole body 18 counts, nobody showed any significant contamination?
19 MR. PARFITT: No.. The. highest -- the 2 highest dose from the whole body count I'm told is 26 21 millirem, and, of course, that is on the initial body 22 count, will be --
23 MR. HUFFMAN: That was all external?
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260 1 determine, how much of that was external. We suspect 2 that a very large portion of that was external. We'll 3 be following that up with whole body counts again 4 tomorrow to determine -- get a better handle on how 5 much -- how much, if any, internal contamination there 6 was.
7 MR. HUFFMAN: Do you know what the isotope 8 was?
9 MR. PARFITT: Actually, yeah. There were 10 several isotopes that we saw in the air samples.
11 Predominant isotope was cobalt-58.
12 MR. HUFFMAN: All right.
13 MR. PARFITT: Some cobalt-60.
14 MR. HUFFMAN: All right.
15 MR. PARFITT: At least some of the air --
16 I don't have the whole body count results, but we did 17 see in the air sample zirconium-95, niobium-95, 18 chromium-51.
19 MR. HUFFMAN: All right.
20 MR. PARFITT: And that would -- you know, K
21 typical RCS activity.
22 MR. HUFFMAN: Those are typical --
23 MR. PARFITT: Yeah.
24 MR. HUFFMAN: -- for some of the stuff you 25 might find in a pipe.
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261 1 MR. PARFITT: Exactly.
2 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. And what -- I can't 3 even remember what my second question was.
4 MR. PARFITT: Second question was: how 5 did -- how were the radiation levels detected on the 6 outside of the reactor building?
7 MR. HUFFMAN: Oh, yeah, that's right.
8 MR. PARFITT: So when the event first 9 occurred, we had numerous, you know, real-time 10 radiation monitors in there, AMS-4s. Those alarms --
11 and that was the first indication that there was an 12 issue.
13 MR. HUFFMAN: That was internal to 1 containment, though, right?
15 MR. PARFITT: That was in containment, 16 right. But specifically to the -- at the outside of 17 the reactor building we have air samplers at both 18 hatches, the equipment hatch and the personnel hatch.
- 19 MR. HUFFMAN: All right.
20 MR. PARFITT: As well as at this 2 construction opening that we have for the removal and 22 the delivery of the new steam generators.
23 MR. HUFFMAN: All right.
24 MR. PARFITT: And that's how we determined 25 what was potentially leaving the building or --
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262 MR. HUFFMAN: Those were just -- those 2 were -- those were detected at the air samplers.
3 MR. PARFITT: Correct.
4 MR. HUFFMAN: But nothing -- but as far as 5 your event report indicated, there was really nothing 6 out out --
7 MR. PARFITT: There was no --
8 MR. HUFFMAN: -- at --
9 MR. PARFITT: -- you know, surface 10 contamination anywhere outside the reactor building.
11 MR. HUFFMAN: You surveyed all around 12 outside and --
13 MR. PARFITT: That's correct, yeah. We 14 had -- up in that construction opening there is a 15 whole delivery system of steel girders and that type 16 of thing that are moving the generators out, and then 17 the new ones back in. That has all been surveyed, and 18 nothing was found up there.
19 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. All right, very 20 good. And what was your name again, sir?
21 MR. PARFITT: Brad Parfitt, P-A-R, F as in 22 Frank, I-T-T.
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263 1 questions, too, that I've got here. It says -- the 2 other question you had: how soon will the building be 3 released for access?
4 MR. HUFFMAN: Right. I forgot, yeah.
5 MR. PARFITT: Everything except -- at this 6 point, everything except the Bravo D-ring that appears 7 to be where the source of the problem was have been 8 released for access. That was -- that was complete by 9 0100.
10 And the Bravo -- I talked to our rad 11 protection people. The Bravo D-ring could --
12 MR. HUFFMAN: The Bravo -- I'm not 13 familiar with the B&W design.
14 MR. PARFITT: Okay.
15 MR. HUFFMAN: So what we have is the steam 16 generator it sits on?
17 MR. PARFITT: Within, yeah. We have a 18 biological shield around the reactor and the two steam 19 generators. Each steam generator and its associated 20 reactor coolant pumps are inside this biological 21 shield that we call a D-ring.
22 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. So the Bravo D-ring 23 is the one around the Bravo steam generator.
24 MR. PARFITT: That's correct.
25 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. Gotcha.
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264 1 MR. PARFITT: And that could be released 2 for access at this point, but we're still, you know --
3 I guess for lack of a better term, we basically still 4 have it quarantined while we're doing our 5 investigation to determine the exact source.
6 MR. HUFFMAN: And is there any -- is this 7 impeding any access to any safety equipment or 8 maturity issues or anything?
9 MR. PARFITT: Nope. Absolutely not.
1 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. Very good.
11 MR. PARFITT: Okay?
12 MR. HUFFMAN: By, Mr. Parfitt.
13 MR. PARFITT: Okay. Thank you.
14 MR. HUFFMAN: Thank you. Bye.
15 MR. PARFITT: Bye.
16 TMI-50 17 MR. HUFFMAN: NRC Operations Center 18 recorded line. May I help you?
19 MR. LEW: Hi. This is Dave Lew from 2 Region I.
21 MR. HUFFMAN: Hey, Dave.
22 MR. LEW: Good morning.
23 MR. HUFFMAN: Good morning to you.
24 MR. LEW: Is this Vince?
25 MR. HUFFMAN: I'm sorry. What?
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265 1 MR. LEW: I'm sorry. Who is this?
2 MR. HUFFMAN: This is Bill Huffman.
3 MR. LEW: Bill. Bill, how are you doing?
4 I got your e-mail from last night.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: Yes.
6 MR. LEW: Yeah, Bill, we are still trying
.7 to make sure we have a handle on all of the media 8 issues and events. And what I would like to do, if 9 there is availability, to just set up an open bridge 10 that people can call directly in and provide 11 information to all of_ those who may need it. Would 12 you be able to do that?
13 MR. HUFFMAN: I can set you up with a 14 bridge. You can't -- you won't be able to dial into 15 it directly. But if you dial us, we'll put you up 16 there, and then --
17 MR. LEW:, Right, right. Yeah, I would 18 expect that we will have folks calling you and asking 19 to be put on the -- I guess the TMI bridge here.
20 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. We'll set you up with 21 abridge.
22 MR. LEW: Thanks. Any other new 23 information?
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266 1 report came up, but it was -- it actually was quoting 2 Diane Screnci. So it was pretty fair.
3 MR. LEW: Yeah. I saw that article from 4 you. I looked at -- but I wasn't sure whether or not 5 there were still inquiries from other agencies or --
6 MR. HUFFMAN: No. We had a couple more 7 after you guys dispersed, which we sent on to Diane.
8 MR. LEW: Okay.
9 MR. HUFFMAN: And then, finally, Diane 10 called uncle and said, "If anybody else calls, just 11 take the number and tell them I'll get back to them in 12 the morning," and as it went this -- you know, by this 13 time it was about 2:00, nobody called after that.
14 MR. LEW: Okay.
15 MR. HUFFMAN: So I guess even the 16 reporters slow down after that, but no, nobody else 17 called after that.
18 MR. LEW: Okay.
19 MR. HUFFMAN: So, yeah, the -- so things 20 seemed to have settled down quite a bit now that 21 everybody is recognizing this really wasn't much.
22 MR. LEW: Yeah, yeah. I think it was --
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267 licensee, and the licensee said they hadn't seen him, 2 but they didn't know.
3 MR. LEW: Right.
4 MR. HUFFMAN: So we -- we were uncertain 5 what the answer -- so I -- I wrote an e-mail back to 6 Amy saying that -- that we asked the licensee, they 7 didn't know, so we didn't know what the status of the 8 resident was.
9 MR. LEW: Yeah. He was -- he was in the 10 -- on the site early in the day. And I think when we 11 were having the calls he was at home.
12 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay.
13 MR. LEW: And we were only one -- he did 14 have a backup, because the senior resident was out 15 of --
16 MR. HUFFMAN: On vacation, yeah.
17 MR. LEW: Yeah.
18 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. All right. Well, 19 that's the only -- that's the only issue that came up.
20 You know, Amy is Congressional Affairs. And I don't 21 know why she wanted the answer to that question, but 22 that was the only one we couldn't answer.
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268 1 true.
2 MR. HUFFMAN: Yeah.
3 MR. LEW: And that we will have more --
4 more folks coming in. That was Amy Powell from OCA, 5 right?
6 MR. HUFFMAN: That's right.
7 MR. LEW: Okay, got it. Thank you, Bill.
8 MR. HUFFMAN: All right. And, you know, 9 they can call in and -- and who is going to -- is 10 there going to be -- is there going to be a set 11 conference, or are you just going to have one person 12 stay on the bridge, and then as other people come up 13 just brief them, or how are you going to arrange that?
14 MR. LEW: I was going to just have -- I 15 was going to just have -- let folks know that if they 16 get information they can tie into the bridge. And 17 I'll probably just stay on the bridge here.
18 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay.
19 MR. LEW: Sam is here, so I can just bring 20 him in easily.
21 MR. HUFFMAN: I'm -- so you want me to go 22 ahead and transfer you up there now?
23 MR. LEW: Yes.
24 MR. HUFFMAN: And you'll stay up there?
25 Okay.
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269 1 MR. LEW: Yes. And we may set up a call a 2 little bit later to brief the principals, but I don't 3 expect us to have any real good new information until 4 at least 10:00.
5 MR. HUFFMAN: All riaht. I'm aoina to 6 send -- I'm going to transfer you.
7 MR. LEW: Okay.
8 MR. HUFFMAN: And just follow the prompts.
9 MR. LEW: Thank you.
10 MR. HUFFMAN: All right, bye.
11 MR. LEW: Bye.
12 TMI-51 13 MS. ROSS-LEE: Hello?
14 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Mary Jane. This is the 15 NRC Operations Center recorded line.
16 MS. ROSS-LEE: Yes.
17 PARTICIPANT: Can you talk?
18 MS. ROSS-LEE: Sure.
19 PARTICIPANT: We sent you an e-mail around 20 7:39 this morning.
21 MS. ROSS-LEE: Okay.
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270 1 says it's not, but we told Cindy that we would also 2 consult with you to make sure that we're not missing 3 anything. Do you know anything about what happened at 4 TMI last night?
5 MS. ROSS-LEE: No. Actually, I don't, 6 so--
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay. What happened is we 8 eventually had --
9 MS. ROSS-LEE: I can pull it up and look i0 at it.
11 PARTICIPANT: -- a Commissioners Assistant 12 briefing. That's what the culmination was last night.
13 But basically they were doing some work in the 14 refueling/defueled state on their -- on a steam 15 generator changeout. They cut some pipes. They got 16 some activity in the air, and they had to evacuate 17 containment.
18 And they had a worker that came out with I 19 think 26 millirem total dose. That's the highest 20 reported dose. They monitored the outside of 21 containment. There did not appear to be a release 22 outside containment. But, still, because it's TMI 23 there was heightened awareness by the news media.
24 MS. ROSS-LEE: Right, right, right. Yeah, 25 definitely.
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271 PARTICIPANT: Including CNN and such.
2 MS. ROSS-LEE: Okay. Okay.
3 PARTICIPANT: So, and there's an event 4 that was -- we wrote up last night, and we sent the 5 event that -- Cindy asked us to evaluate, which we 6 did, and we said based on our -- our read it is less 7 than a Level 2 based on the INES scale. But we also 8 said that we would get you in the loop, or your group 9 in the loop, so that you all can evaluate to see if 10 there is some other angle that you all can see that 1i requires this to be reported.
12 MS. ROSS-LEE: Okay. All right. Well, I 13 tell you what. I did not look at the event yet this 14 morning.
15 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
16 MS. ROSS-LEE: So let me take'a look at 17 it, and the information you have given me, and if I 18 come to any other different decision on this, I will 19 certainly get back -- you know, I will call back in.
20 PARTICIPANT: Well, can you just let us --
21 I guess let us know --
22 MS. ROSS-LEE: One way or the other?
23 PARTICIPANT: Yes. Just say, you know, 24 it's -- agree or disagree, you know? If you Reply 25 All, then that will include Cindy.
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272 1 MS. ROSS-LEE: Okay. All right. Sure, 2 I'll do that.
3 PARTICIPANT: Thank you, Mary Jane.
4 MS. ROSS-LEE: All right. Bye.
5 PARTICIPANT: Bye.
6 TMI-52 7 FEMALE VOICE: Someone has entered the 8 conference.
9 PARTICIPANT: Diane Screnci, Public 10 Affairs.
11 MR. LEW: Hi, Diane. This is Dave.
12 MS. SCRENCI: Hi, Dave. How are you?
13 MR. LEW: I'm fine. Thank you.
14 MS. SCRENCI: Hey, the ops officers tell 15 me that once I told them I was going to bed and to 16 hold the calls, we didn't get any more. I should have 17 done that earlier.
18 MR. LEW: Yes.
19 (Laughter.)
20 I heard that. I heard that.
21 Do you have -- I lost track. There were 22 so many people you touched base ,with. Who -- well, 23 before we get to that, where are you, and what's your 24 status?
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273 1 dressed.
2 MR. LEW: Okay.
3 MS. SCRENCI: And then I'm going to -- I want to talk to John White, and then I still haven't 5 -- I didn't get Neil. He was at mass this morning 6 when I called.
7 MR. LEW: Right.
8 MS. SCRENCI: So I'm trying to do all of 9 that and then run in and grab my computer and then go 10 out to TMI. But I need to talk to John White first, 11 and then Neil can put out that note to editors letting 12 them know what time we're going to do it.
13 MR. LEW: Okay. And what is the time 14 .right now? You said 2:00 p.m., was that --
15 MS. SCRENCI: I'm thinking either like 16 12:30 or 1:00, not longer after they've gotten there, 17 but not the moment they arrive.
18 MR. LEW: Okay.
19 MS. SCRENCI: I think you should be able 20 to kind of get yourself together, run in, go to the 21 bathroom, you know?
22 MR. LEW: Yes. So this will be a press 23 briefing?
24 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
25 MR. LEW: Okay. At the Training Center.
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274 MS. SCRENCI: Yes. I think we are going 2 to do it outside. It makes a nice scene.
3 MR. LEW: Right. And, you know, as -- if you want to get hold of John for an update at some 5 point, you know, doing it on this line is -- would be 6 good, because I can also add in the additional 7 information that --
8 MS. SCRENCI: Oh. And then we won't have 9 to call and tell you also.
10 MR. LEW: Yeah.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
12 MR. LEW: There is -- just to give you a 13 heads up here, they -- there was not much significant 14 difference from yesterday, although they do suspect 15 that there -- they have two areas that they are 16 expecting to be the cause.
17 One is they -- they are leaning toward a 18 -- possibly a small plug being welded at the bottom of 19 the steam generator, and that there was a HEPA filter 20 that tripped off. It was connected by an extension 21 cord and it got tripped off. That was one 22 possibility.
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275 after you cut the pipe, you want to decon and prep 2 the--
3 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, okay.
4 MR. LEW: -- welding. So on that one they 5 found a lot of high contamination, so they are 6 investigating whether that could be the source as 7 well. Other than that --
8 MS. SCRENCI: Hey, let me ask you a 9 question. One of the news articles said that there --
10 it quoted TMI as saying that 100 people had been 11 contaminated., It said there were 150 people on the 12 floor, and 100 had been contaminated. And when I 13 talked to the reporter last night, I told her that was 14 not my understanding, but that I thought it was a 15 mistake in the article.
16 MR. LEW: It sounds like --
17 PARTICIPANT: Hi. This is the Operations 18 Officer. Sorry to interrupt you guys. I hope this is 19 okay. But we just got a call from the DHS NICC, 20 National Infrastructure Coordinating Committee. They 21 are looking for some information. Any possibility I 22 can send them up to the bridge and let them talk to 23 you for a minute?
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276 1 know if -- it's a bureaucrat down there, so I don't 2 know -- they we, in the:past, routinely interface 3 with this organization. They take the lead 'on all 4 nuclear infrastructure issues. So it's not going to 5 be a very high-level person. Is that okay?
6 MR. LEW: Understand --
7 PARTICIPANT: Or do you want us to go 8 ahead and let -- just brief her based on what we knew 9 from last night? We can do that.
10 MR. LEW: Why don't you brief them based 11 on what you know. And if you need some, assistance, 12 you can put them on the bridge, and we can --
13 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Okay. If you don't 14 mind, I mean, I'll -- unless there's something 15 significant that you've learned since last night, I --
16 we know everything.
17 MR. LEW: Yeah, nothing significant at 18 this point.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay, great. Bye.
2 MS. SCRENCI: We were talking about 21 whether there were 100 people.
22 MR. LEW: Yeah, yeah. Diane, there was 23 100 -- they did do 151 whole body counts.
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277 1 they were going through is they were having trouble 2 getting through the portal monitor. They would go 3 through the whole body counts.
4 MS. SCRENCI: Right.
5 MR. LEW: And I believe that there were a 6 large number that were contaminated.
7 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
8 MR. LEW: Along that range. However, when 9 we were talking about any significant uptake --
10 MS. SCRENCI: Then, the number is more 11 like 11?
12 MR. LEW: Eleven, yeah.
13 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
14 MR. LEW: Eleven that got between 10 and 15 16 16 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
17 MR. LEW: -- millirem. But there were 18 others that were below that.
19 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
20 MR. LEW: So that -- hopefully, that puts 21 it in--
22 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. She was just going to 23 use "less than 150.' You know, they evaluated 150 24 people, and far fewer than that were -- you know, had 25 some contamination. And I told her that was true.
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278 1 MR. LEW: Yes. Yeah. I guess it depends 2 on -- it depends on whether or not they -- they have 3 some low-level contamination sometimes, you know? You just clean off and now you -- I think -- I think any 5 kind of significant contamination would be -- I'm not 6 even sure (inaudible) come to think of it.
7 Okay. So I think I understand where 8 you're going --
9 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
10 MR. LEW: -- where you are. I guess --
ii you were going to try to reach out to John. Do you 12 want us to try and get hold of John and put him on 13 this bridge?
14 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
15 MR. LEW: Okay. Let me do that. Yeah, he 16 was talking to the NICC guy.
17 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, yeah. Girl. It was a 18 girl I think. Did you get any sleep at all?
19 FEMALE VOICE: Someone has entered the 20 conference.
21 MR. LEW: Who joined?
22 PARTICIPANT: I turned that off. I didn't 23 realize that entry tone was on. That -- when I put 24 you back in, that's -- it generated that.
25 MR. LEW: Thanks.
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279 1 TMI-53 2 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 3 recorded line. How may I help you?
4 MS. LOVELACE: Hi. This is Denise calling 5 from the NICC. How are you?
6 PARTICIPANT: Hi, Denise.
7 MS. LOVELACE: We were calling to see, do 8 you have any information in regards to what CNN is 9 advertising this morning in regards to Three Mile 10 Island that you can release?
11 PARTICIPANT: That we can release? I 12 guess I don't follow you. I mean, if CNN -- they sent 13 something out on the public domain, correct?
14 MS. LOVELACE: Do you mean public domain 15 like home page-or something or --
16 PARTICIPANT: Can you hold on one second, 17 please?
18 MS. LOVELACE: Sure.
19 TMI-54 20 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Denise, you need a 21 briefing?
22 MS. LOVELACE: Yeah. We were just 23 curious. I know -- Steve Holfalet (phonetic) called 24 last night, the watch captain, and he was told that it 25 was just a standard, routine maintenance.
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280 1 PARTICIPANT: That is correct.
2 MS. LOVELACE: So, but the way that CNN 3 has it on the news this morning it was generating questions.
5 PARTICIPANT: Uh-huh.
6 MS. LOVELACE: So we just wondered if 7 there was anything new that might have transpired 8 or --
9 PARTICIPANT: Not reE*lly, but let me --
10 MS. LOVELACE: Okay. Yeah.
11 PARTICIPANT: We ch ecked out -- I think 12 CNN said basically it was just - - it was maintenance.
13 Let"s see here. Hold on, ma'am.
14 MS. LOVELACE: Okay.
15 PARTICIPANT: I'm looking for good 16 briefing information here.
17 MS. LOVELACE: All right. Yeah, we were 18 checking open source, and --
19 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. Basically, what we 20 have is an offsite notification of a rad release in 21 containment associated with a steam generator removal.
22 And it -- on Saturday there were low levels of 23 radiation activity measured on radiation monitors in 24 the reactor building at TMI, so they did a -- they 25 prudently evacuated workers after the fact.
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281 1 The most exposure a worker received was 2 26 millirem. The annual dose typically at most of the 3 sites is around in the area of 4- to 5,000 millirem.
4 So this is a very small portion of the annual dose 5 limits.
6 No contamination was identified outside 7 the reactor building, and TMI is still doing some 8 investigation, but they believe the maintenance tasks 9 related to cutting some pipes in preparation for the 10 removal of a steam generator was the source of 11 reactivity.
12 The licensee is still investigating the 13 cause of the event, but the rad release is no longer 14 in progress, and --
15 MS. LOVELACE: Okay. So everything is all 16 secure and--
17 PARTICIPANT: Everything is all secure, 18 and containment ventilation has been established to 19 provide inflow into containment. So basically we are 20 trying to maintain a slight negative pressure in 21 containment, so -- any flow of air into the 22 containment, which. is a good thing.
23 The licensee -- TMI -- contacted state and 24 local authorities and Pennsylvania Emergency 25 Management Agency.
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282 MS. LOVELACE: Okay.
PARTICIPANT: Okay? And they also issued 4 a press release.
MS. LOVELACE: Yeah. We were checking your, like, home page and --
PARTICIPANT: You didn't see the press I
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are checking it.
PARTICIPANT: Okay.
MS. LOVELACE: I was just calling direct just to see if there was anything new that might have come up over the past few hours.
12 PARTICIPANT: There has been nothing new 15 that has come over the past few hours.
16 MS. LOVELACE: Okay. All right.
17 PARTICIPANT: So you have the press 18 release, and -- and anything else you need, Denise?
19 MS. LOVELACE: No, I don't believe so. We 20 were just checking, just because we have the 21 leadership asking questions.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay. And what is your 23 phone number out there, Denise?
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PARTICIPANT: Denise, what is your lastname?
MS. LOVELACE: Lovelace, L-O-V-E-L-A-C-E.
PARTICIPANT: Okay, Denise.
MS. LOVELACE: Yeah. And we did check with, you know, the SSAs. We haven't had any word back yet. There were some messages that were left earlier.
PARTICIPANT:
MS. LOVELACE: So, but we were just trying to follow up and see what we could find out.
PARTICIPANT: Yes. So right now we have nothing new to report.
MS. LOVELACE: Okay. I'll relay.
PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thank.you, Denise.
MS. LOVELACE: All right. You have a good morning.
PARTICIPANT: Take care.
MS. LOVELACE: Thanks.
TMI-55 MR. HUFFMAN: Mr. Collins?
MR. COLLINS: Yes. This is Region I.
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284 1 MR. HUFFMAN: Hi. This is Bill Huffman.
2 MR. COLLINS: Hi, Bill.
3 MR. HUFFMAN: Josh Batkin is coming on the 4 line. Apparently, it has just been scratched a little 5 bit. I think he will tell you they are not looking 6 for a briefing right now.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay. We have been sending 8 them e-mails, so maybe that has been enough?
9 MR. HUFFMAN: Yeah. Well, I'll let you 10 know when he gets on the bridge, and then he can 11 explain it.
12 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thank you.
13 MR. HUFFMAN: Mr. Batkin?
14 MR. BATKIN: Yes. I'm here.
15 MR. HUFFMAN: Okay. Go ahead, Sam.
16 MR. COLLINS: Josh, good morning. This is 17 Sam Collins.
18 MR. BATKIN: Good morning, sir. How are 19 you?
20 MR. COLLINS: Doing well, thank you. I 21 have you on the speakerphone, and we have a number of 22 people who have been in here in the region for a 23 while. We have an open bridge with Bill and the HOO 24 team there.
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285 1 you desired a briefing, and we can do that or not, 2 Josh, but we have people here to answer your questions 3 at a minimum. And that's Dave Lew on the technical 4 side. Nancy McNamara is here. She has been 5 interfacing with the state and congressional affairs.
6 And Diane Screnci is here. She is our Senior Public 7 Affairs Officer,' and Diane. has been talking directly 8 to Exelon on their outreach. And also, she will be 9 leading a short briefing and a question and answer 10 period with the press this afternoon up at the site.
11 She is getting ready to drive up there.
12 And we have two members of our technical 13 team from radiological protection who are on their way 14 to the site, and we have a backup site representative 15 coming down from Beaver Valley who will be onsite.
16 early afternoon to help us with the technical aspects.
17 We can run through and give you the 18 latest, or we can respond to questions, whichever you 19 desire, Josh.
20 MR. BATKIN: Yes, sir. Thank you. No, I 21 don't want to take you away from your work. Dr.
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286 1 overnight, so appreciate that, too.
2 I did see a couple of press stories. One 3 overnight was the ABC study with a good quote from 4 Diane, and then I just saw a Fox story which noted 5 that there was a five and a half hour delay for Exelon
.6 to notify the local authorities. I don't know if that 7 is anything of concern or not, but --
8 MR. COLLINS: Let me askNancy to give her 9 insights based on the interface with the state. This 10 is Nancy McNamara, Josh.
11 MS. McNAMARA: Hi, Josh.
12 MR. BATKIN: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
13 MS. McNAMARA: Just fine. Yeah, the state 14 -- I understand the state was notified at 9:30 last 15 night.
16 MR. BATKIN: Okay. And is that -- is 17 there anything inconsistent with -- I mean, it was a 18 small level, nothing that alerted -- you know, 19 triggered our notification requirement, so that --
20 that was appropriate? Or did we have any concerns 21 about that?
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287 1 media interest, and they did, around that time, issue 2 a press release. Subsequent to that, because -- well, 3 by their internal procedures, when they issue a press 4 release or reach out to the media, they will make a 5 50.72 to the NRC within four hours.
6 MR. BATKIN: Got it. Okay. And then, I 7 heard that the DOE Chief of Staff called. Was there 8 anything to that, or just wanted information on what 9 was happening?
10 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, that occurred --
11 MR. BATKIN: Last night.
12 MR. COLLINS: -- that occurred yesterday 13 evening during the course of the briefing. The 14 individual's name was Rod O'Connor.
15 MR. BATKIN: Yes. Yes.
16 MR. COLLINS: And I don't know that name 17 that well, but Brian McDermott briefed him offline, 18 Josh, and gave him the background on the event. What 19 I believe prompted Mr. O'Connor's call was a number of 20 calls from site individuals, both to DHS and DOE, 21 reporting the fact that they were being held up and 22 being processed as a result of *a contamination event 23 at Three Mile Island.
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288 1 Public Affairs and to defer any further questions they 2 had to our team. And we have not had a direct 3 interface with DOE since.
4 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Good.
5 MR. COLLINS: Nancy has a little bit more 6 background on your question regarding the state 7 notification, Josh.
8 MS. McNAMARA: Yes. I'll just explain 9 their concern. I mean, they usually get these routine 10 reports from the licensee, and, as the state puts it, 11 you know, it gets down to the level of threshold where 12 if someone cuts their finger -- and that's a quote --
13 they get told about it, or if an ambulance is called 14 onsite, or something. And so, you know, they were --
15 you know, their concern was, you know, something a 16 little bit more significant than that, and they 17 weren't informed in a timely basis. So that's -- that 18 is something that they are expressing.
19 MR. COLLINS.: For your background, we have 20 a very good relationship with the Commonwealth, and 21 their representative I believe will be there --
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289 1 family, so they will be there this afternoon when that 2 takes place.
3 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Okay, great. Well, 4 you know, I think the Chairman's understanding is that 5 this was a very minor event, and you are on top of it 6 and handling the press inquiries as well. If he has 7 any concern right now, it would just be, you know, a 8 heads up if you feel that any media are sort of 9 mischaracterizing the seriousness of this event, and, 10 you know, if there is anything that we need to do to 11 stay on top of that.
12 But, otherwise, he doesn't want to --
13 doesn't want to interrupt the work that you're doing 14 and appreciates the work that has been done overnight 15 and today.
16 MR. COLLINS: All right. Thanks, Josh.
17 We do have a few press statements that we are 18 sensitive to, ' and Diane can -- can overview them 19 briefly, if you'd like.
20 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
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290 handful.
2 MR. BATKIN: Right. The 100 was the number sent home?
4 MS. SCRENCI: I don't know where people 5 got 100.
6 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
7 MS. SCRENCI: I think 100 -- about 150 8 were sent home.. I think probably about 100 were whole 9 body counted.
10 MR. LEW: Yeah. The data that we have is 11 about 150 were whole body counted. Out of that 150 12 that were whole body counted, 25 had levels greater 13 than 10 millirem, which is indicative of some internal 14 dose.
15 MR. BATKIN: All right.
16 MR. LEW: Twenty of them were in the range 17 between 10 and 38 millirem. I think yesterday there 18 may have been a 16 -- between 10 and 16, but they had 19 not processed everybody through. They have since 2 processed everybody through, and the range is 10 to 2 38.
22 That said, there are five individuals 23 which have initial indications that it is even higher 24 than that, as high as 200 millirem. But there is --
25 MR. BATKIN: How high? I'm sorry.
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291 1 MR. LEW: It could be as high as 200 2 millirem, which is still below the legal limit, but 3 the--
4 MR. BATKIN: Right.
5 MR. LEW: -- issue here is that there is 6 some -- there is a -- they question the results, 7 because they are getting a peak at cerium-144, which 8 is a peak that they should not be getting. So they 9 are going back to look at the results.
10 MR. BATKIN: Okay. And, again, that was 11 100 millirem as highest --
12 MR. LEW: As high as 200.
13 MR. BATKIN: 200, sorry. I was having 14 trouble hearing you. Okay.
15 MR.* LEW: Five individuals, but the 16 results are suspected of being --
17 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
18 MR. LEW: -- erroneous at this point.
19 MR. COLLINS: Yeah. And that information 20 is internal information right now, Josh. That's not 21 being exported by the licensee. Our two health 22 physics technical representatives who are on their way 23 to the site will -- will get into those numbers once 24 they arrive.
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292 1 what -- what decontamination efforts do they have to 2 take -- undertake at this point?
3 MR. LEW: Yes. Right now, they are 4 focused on decontaminating high areas, in particular 5 with the -- inside the D-ring, basically inside the 6 bioshield area.
7 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
8 MR. LEW: And that's the only activity 9 that they are allowing inside that area. They are 10 allowing other activities in containment to continue.
11 MR. BATKIN: They are, okay.
12 MR. COLLINS: Yes. Josh, just so we're 13 responsive, were you asking about decontamination 14 inside containment or having to do with individuals?
15 MR. BATKIN: Well, I was thinking inside 16 containment. But is there anything more significant 17 that has to do with the affected individuals?
18 MR. LEW: I think the affected 19 individuals, they all have been decontaminated and 20 released.
21 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Okay. Great. And 22 then, what is the plan for -- is there another call 23 planned, or are you just going to keep the bridge open 24 today?
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293 1 through the rest of the day. We have people en route 2 to the site, as we indicated. The licensee has a 3 press briefing at 2:00, Diane?
4 MS. SCRENCI: We are going to do it at 5 2:00.
6 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry. Our press 7 briefing is at 2:00.
8 MS. SCRENCI: Exelon has been doing 9 interviews on request.
10 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Their PR guy is at the, site, 12 and if somebody calls and says, "Hey, we want -- you 13 know, we need to do an interview, an on-camera 14 interview," Ralph just goes out and stands in front of 15 the camera and does it.
16 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
17 MR. COLLINS: That was good. Thank you, 18 Diane.
19 Our 2:00 appointment is a short 2 introductory statement, and then question and answer.
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294 1 before the day gets too late on where we are. And 2 then, we would not ,intend any further broad update 3 unless the events take a turn that is not anticipated.
4 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Great. And, Diane, 5 you are comfortable with the accuracy in the 6 information that Exelon is giving out?
7 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. I think so far they 8 are fairly accurate, and that Exelon has been 9 correcting the information that is incorrect. My name 10 is not spelled right in the articles, and I'm going to 11 let it go, Josh.
12 (Laughter.)
13 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Yes, I'll say I 14 definitely saw that and noticed it.
15 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah. They had an H in 16 there.
17 (Laughter.)
18 MR. COLLINS: The other aspect, Josh, is 19 that, as always, we want to be very careful about 20 saying that there was no release outside containment.
21 MR. BATKIN: Right.
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295 1 calculation would indicate that -- it found it had 2 less than one percent of the quarterly limit per the 3 ODCM.
4 MR. BATKIN: And that doesn't continue.
5 That was just a one-time purge overnight, or rest of 6 the afternoon?
7 MR. COLLINS: That would have been what I 8 think I would have called a puff release or short-9 term --
10 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
11 MR. COLLINS: -- release, based on the 12 fact that the containment was open. They do have the 13 opening draped over now with canvas.
14 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
15 MR. COLLINS: Containment is not required 16 to be in place during the evolutions that are ongoing, 17 because the fuel has been removed and it's in the 18 spent fuel pool.
19 MR. BATKIN: Right.
20 MR. COLLINS: But they do have the 21 capability to provide closure for the opening.
22 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
23 MR. COLLINS: And that's mostly 24 environmental protection at this point.
25 MR. BATKIN: Great.. Okay.
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296 1 MR. LEW: Just to update that, got not 2 that long ago from the resident office, they have 3 aligned the ventilation such that air through all of 4 the openings is going into the reactor building. So 5 they may be moving forward with -- they have the 6 curtain, this top over the construction opening at 7 this point, and they are looking at replacing that 8 with a clean curtain.
9 MR. BATKIN: Okay.
10 MR. LEW: But the current ventilation 11 system would support that.
12 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Great. Okay. Well, 13 unless there's anything else, that's definitely 14 sufficient for me. And I will make sure the Chairman 15 is up to date on where we stand. And if you need any 16 assistance from us, or if you are worried at all about 17 (inaudible) and need any help, please let us know.
18 MR. COLLINS: All right.
19 MR. BATKIN: It obviously doesn't seem 20 like something the Chairman needs to say anything 21 about or anything like that at this point. So --
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297 1 not have to be involved 2 MR. BATKIN: Okay. Well, thank you. He 3 is happy to if he needs to be, but it -- he certainly 4 doesn't feel like he needs to be right now, so that 5 we'll leave that to you.
6 MkR. COLLINS: Understand. All right.
7 MR. BATKIN: Great.
8 MR. COLLINS: We're not getting any 9 indication from the state that, you know, this has 10 risen to a level within the state bureaucracy where 11 the Governor would need a call. We are working 12 directly with Dave Allard, and internally the state 13 has been keeping the Governor informed at his level.
14 .MR. BATKIN: Okay. Excellent. Well, 15 thank you again. We're definitely reachable if you 16 need us today,. but thanks for all the work that you're 17 doing on this.
18 MR. COLLINS: All right, Josh. Thank you.
19 MR. BATKIN: All right. Talk to you 20 later. Thank you.
21 MR. COLLINS: Bye now.
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2 PARTICIPANT: Yes, Diane. Headquarters 3 Operations Officer. We just received a call from AFP, 4 that's Agency France Press, with a Mr. Jean-Louis Santini. And he would like it, if it's possible, if 6 you could possibly contact him. I can give you his 7 phone number here, ma'am.
8 MS. SCRENCI: Sure.
(b)(6) 9 PARTICIPANT: He's at area codeL..)(.)
10 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
1(b)(6) 11 PARTICIPANT: - 'and the subject is 12 the TMI incident that you all are working on.
13 MS. SCRENCI: Okay. I'll give him a call.
14 PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
15 MS. McNAMARA: Bon jour. Good day.
16 TMI-56 17 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center 18 recorded line. How may I help you?
19 MR. SANTINI: Yes. I am Jean-Louis 2C Santini with Agency France Press in Washington 21 (inaudible) news service. I am -- I wanted to talk to 22 the -- your news officer in charge today on duty.
23 PARTICIPANT: And. with regards to what, 24 sir?
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299 1 Mile Island. You know, this happened yesterday I 2 guess.
3 PARTICIPANT: And your name again, sir?
4 MR. SANTINI: The last name is Santini, S-5 A-N-T-I-N-I.
6 PARTICIPANT: And you represent, again, 7 whom?
8 MR. SANTINI: AFP.
9 PARTICIPANT: ASP?
10 MR. SANTINI: No, AF, like Frank, AFP.
11 PARTICIPANT: AFP?
12 MR. SANTINI: Yes.
13 PARTICIPANT: What does that stand for?
14 MR. SANTINI: Agency France Press.
15 PARTICIPANT: Oh, Agency France. Okay.
16 MR. SANTINI: Yeah, France.
17 PARTICIPANT: France?
18 MR. SANTINI: It's like AP or Reuters, you 19 know. We are one with --
20 PARTICIPANT: And what is your callback?
21 MR. SANTINI: My telephone number is (b)(6) 22
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300 1 MR. SANTINI: It's regarding this leak in 2 Three Mile Island nuclear plant. You know, I heard 3 that on CNN. I don't know. And I just want to -- I 4 understand it's not a serious matter.
5 PARTICIPANT: That is correct.
6 MR. SANTINI: But I just need to talk to 7 someone, you know, to have a direct source.
8 PARTICIPANT: Right. So what we're going 9 to do is right now our public affairs officer is 10 giving a briefing. Once they break out of that, we're 11 going to have them give you a call, Mr. Santini. What 12 is your first name?
13 MR. SANTINI: Jean-Louis, like --
14 PARTICIPANT: Jean. Okay.
15 MR. SANTINI: Jean-Louis, like Jean, J-E-16 A-N, hyphen, L-O-U-I-S.
17 PARTICIPANT: Jean-Louis.
18 MR. SANTINI: Okay. He is doing a press 19 call now?
20 PARTICIPANT: No, not yet. Now we're 21 going internal. This is just within the NRC.
22 MR. SANTINI: Oh. Oh, I see. So if I 23 could get a call it would be great, just quick -- you 24 know, just need to --
25 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. So I'm going to --
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301 1 MR. SANTINI: What is his name? Just 2 to --
3 PARTICIPANT: It's going to probably be 4 Diane Screnci.
5 MR. SANTINI: Oh, Diane.
6 PARTICIPANT: Diane. Do you know Diane?
7 MR. SANTINI: I think I talked to her 8 before, yeah, okay. Is that --
9 PARTICIPANT: Yes. So you're -- let's i(b)(6) 1.0 see, area code 11 MR. SANTINI: That's right.
12 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Mr. Santini, we 13 hopefully someone from Public Affairs will give you a 14 call.
15 MR. SANTINI: Okay. Thank you very much.
16 PARTICIPANT: Take care.
17 MR. SANTINI: Okay.
18 TMI-57 19 MR. KLOUGH: Hello. Dave Lew? Dave Lew, 20 this is Headquarters Operations Officer. Please come 21 up.
22 MR. LEW: Yes, I'm here. Yes, I'm here.
23 MR. KLOUGH: Do you hear me, sir?
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302 1 Deutsch with New York Daily News called up, and he 2 wants to talk to someone on a briefing on the TMI 3 event, and probably -- Diane Screnci is probably kind 4 of busy making her way to TMI.
5 MR. LEW: She is actually still here.
6 MR. KLOUGH: Oh, is she still there?
7 MR. LEW: She is still here in the office.
8 MR. KLOUGH: Okay.
9 MR. LEW: Do you want me to try and see if 10 I can get hold of her?
11 MR. KLOUGH: Please.
12 MR. LEW: Hang on.
13 (Phone ringing.)
14 MR. KLOUGH: Yeah?
15 MR. LEW: Is this Bill or Vince?
16 MR. KLOUGH: This is Vince.
17 MR. LEW: Just give me a couple of 18 seconds. Let me just walk down the hallway.
19 MR. KLOUGH: Okay. I'll stay on here.
20 TMI-57_1 21 MR. LEW: Okay. Vince? This is Dave Lew.
22 Are you still there?
23 MR. KLOUGH: Hi, David. Do you hear me?
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303 Diane?
MR. LEW: Diane is here. She's still on
-- she's on a call with another reporter, which she is about to'get off real soon.
MR. KLOUGH: Okay. Can I just give you the name of the --
MR. LEW: Yeah.
MR. KLOUGH: -- of the person?
MR. LEW: Okay. It was New York Daily News.
MR. KLOUGH: New York Daily News. His name is Kevin.
MR. LEW: Kevin.
MR. KLOUGH: And it's Deutsch, and it's spelled D-E-U-T-S-C-H.
MR. LEW: Okay.
MR. KLOUGH: And he can be reached at area code MR. LEW: Okay.
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MR. LEW: Okay.
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MR. KLOUGH: Okay. Thanks a lot, sir.
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304 1 MR. LEW: Thank you. Bye.
2 MR. KLOUGH: Take care. Bye.
3 TMI-58 4 PARTICIPANT: Headquarters Operations Officer. Is somebody there from Region 1?
6 MR. LEW: Yeah. This is Dave Lew.
7 PARTICIPANT: Hey, Dave. We got a call 8 from a reporter for who -- who is he from, Chuck?
9 Bloomberg.
10 PARTICIPANT: Bloomberg News, Erin Clark.
11 PARTICIPANT: Erin Clark.
12 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
13 PARTICIPANT: Do you want to talk to him?
14 He said he was -- he wanted to go to the press 15 conference at TMI, I guess that Diane Screnci was 16 giving or something like that, and -- but he couldn't 17 make it, and he was wondering, if he could, get 18 information from you guys or from somebody in 19 Region I, he said.
20 MR. LEW: Yeah. We can try and get back 21 with him.
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2 MR. LEW: -Yeah. What's his number?
3 PARTICIPANT: What's his number here, 4 Chuck? I guess you can let him drop, then, and we'll just give him his number. .(b) (6) 6 Erin Clark. Number' isl 7 MR. LEW: Okay.
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13 MR. LEW: Okay. And you said it's Erin, 14 right? Is it a lady or a man?
15 PARTICIPANT: No, it's a man. It sounds 16 like a man on the phone, but it's spelled like the 17 ladies' name, E-R-I-N, at least normally the way I --
18 yeah.
19 PARTICIPANT: That's how he spelled it.
20 MR. LEW: And from B.oomberg News.
21 PARTICIPANT: Yes, sir.
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3 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. He knew Neil's name 4 and Diane's name, so he said --
5 MR. LEW: So we'll try and get Neil. to get 6 back with him.
7 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
8 MR. LEW: Separately, I did hit star zero.
9 Just to give you a heads up, the TMI control room --
1 apparently, a DHS senior ops officer was contacting 11 the TMI control room for an update.
12 PARTICIPANT: Oh, senior watch officer?
13 MR. LEW: Yes.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
15 MR. LEW: I think that's what -- senior 16 ops, I would think it's an ops officer.
17 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. It's probably this --
18 MR. LEW: Yeah.
19 PARTICIPANT: Yeah.
20 MR. LEW: The name is Bill Roper.
21 PARTICIPANT: Bill Roper, okay.
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307 1 they -- that, you know, this is -- it's okay for them 2 to let this individual know to contact the NRC to 3 update any information that they may have, because I 4 suspect that you -- you guys may have already talked 5 to DHS yesterday.
6 PARTICIPANT: Oh, yeah, we talked to them 7 yesterday, in fact right after -- you know, we had 8 told you guys last night, whenever we first got the 9 call from the NICC, and that was the National 10 Infrastructure Coordination Center, who is,, you know, 11 kind of a subcompartment there of DHS, but we did 12 brief the SWO, you know, shortly after with the 13 information that you guys provided Howie last night.
14 So, you know, we gave him that statement, 15 and I'm not sure what really -- what updated 16 information we have now. I mean, we've got of course 17 TMI's event report here.
18 MR. LEW: Yeah.
19 PARTICIPANT: You know, and that 20 information. We can, you know, certainly read him 21 information out of that. But, really, overall the 22 status -- you know, normally, we call these guys 23 whenever it's an emergency and tell them the emergency 24 class. And there has never been that here, and that's 25 what we told them last night, so --
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308 1 MR. LEW: I thought you -- I just thought 2 I would give you a heads up in case he --
3 PARTICIPANT: Sure.
4 MR. LEW: -- he probably will be giving 5 you guys a call.
6 (Phone ringing.)
7 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. And we can -- we can 8 certainly run that down and try contacting them again, 9 and tell them the same thing we told them last night.
10 If there was any emergency or anything like that, we 11 would certainly notify them, but there isn't, so --
12 MR. LEW: Well, if you need any support 13 from us here, just give us a call.
14 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Thanks a lot, Dave.
15 MR. LEW: Thank you.
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Bye.
17 TMI-59 18 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 19 is a recorded line. Can I help you?
20 MR. POPPEL: This is Michael Poppel with 21 B&O News from New York.
22 PARTICIPANT: Hello, sir. I didn't get 23 your full name there. Was it Michael?
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MR. POPPEL: Yes. With B&O News.
PARTICIPANT: B&O News? All right.
MR. POPPEL: Yes.
PARTICIPANT: How do you spell your last name, sir?
MR. POPPEL: Yeah. That's just spelled P as in Paul, 0 as in office, P as in Paul, P as in Paul, E-L.
PARTICIPANT: E-L, right?
MR. POPPEL: Yes, right.
PARTICIPANT: You're with B&O News?
MR. POPPEL: Yes.
PARTICIPANT: All right, sir. What are you calling regarding?
MR. POPPEL: Yes. I'm looking to confirm that investigators have been sent to the Three Mile 18 Island nuclear powerplant.
19 PARTICIPANT: Okay, sir.
20 MR. POPPEL: Okay.
21 PARTICIPANT: Do you have a phone number 22 we can reach you back at, sir?
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MR. POPPEL:
PARTICIPANT: kay.
MR. POPPEL: Yes, correct.
PARTICIPANT: We'll pass that information along to our Public Affairs people and have one of them give you a call as soon as we can, sir.
MR. POPPEL: Great. Thank you.
PARTICIPANT: Thank you. Bye-bye.
MR. POPPEL: Bye.
TMI-60 MR. ROPER: This is Senior Watch. Officer Bill Roper.
MR. SNYDER: Hi, Bill. My name is Pete Snyder, Headquarters Ops Officer with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
MR. ROPER: Right.
MR. SNYDER: Hey, I understand that you guvs had contacted TMI wanting some updated information?
MR. ROPER: Correct.
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311 1 -- we would contact you on any callout that -- that 2 reached a threshold in our procedures to contact you.
3 And, of course, there was no emergency, 4 never was or anything that happened at Three Mile 5 Island there, so -- but there was a lot of media 6 interest with this release they had inside 7 containment.
8 MR. ROPER: Correct.
9 MR. SNYDER: And, you know, I've got their IC event report here that they provided us, basically the 11 latest information, and that was as of -- well, that 12 was as of early this morning, but it is probably more 13 complete. There may be the most complete information, 14 more complete than maybe what you have already there.
15 But, you know, I don't know what 16 information you wanted or what they told you, you 17 know, this morning when you called in, but -- but 18 certainly we can always - you know, if you need 19 anything, call us and we can provide you with the 20 latest stuff we have, because we are in close contact 21 with them.
22 MR. ROPER: I really appreciate' it. And 23 your name or name was not -- the only number I had was 24 a fax number from Brad --
25 MR. SNYDER: Oh.
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312 1 MR. ROPER: -- Pettit (phonetic).
3 MR. ROPER: Right.
4 MR. SNYDER: So they faxed you something.
5 MR. ROPER: Correct.
6 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
7 MR. ROPER: And --
8 MR. SNYDER: They probably faxed you the 9 same -- the same info that we got here then maybe.
10 MR. ROPER: Correct. More than likely so.
11 It's about three or four lines -- three or four 12 paragraphs.
13 MR. SNYDER: Yeah.
14 MR. ROPER: One-liners.
15 MR. SNYDER: Yeah.
16 MR. ROPER: And the only thing I was 17 asking is if there is any update to this information 18 that was received last night. He faxed it at about 19 2255 -- well, 10:55, about 11:00 last night. And I 20 was just calling to see if there was an update to this 21 report.
22 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
23 MR. ROPER: Any changes of any 24 significance?
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313 1 believe they had the source isolated in there, you 2 know, and I don't know that that was that was done 3 after some of the reports last night. But --
4 MR. ROPER: No changes to the initial 5 report you provided?
6 MR. SNYDER: No. No changes to the 7 initial report there. I mean, in other words, you 8 know, basically what they have are low levels of --
9 radioactive contamination was what it was. You know, 10 it had some activity in it, inside containment.
11 And since they had a hole cut in the 12 containment building, there was a chance it -- you 13 know, a release could happen there. But, you know, 14 they are shut down right now in a refueling outage, 15 changing out their steam generators. And, of course, 16 when they cut into that primary piping, that's when 17 this -- they have a chance for material to be 18 released, because, you know, all the contaminated 19 material is inside the piping, you know, normally --
20 MR. ROPER: Yeah.
21 MR. SNYDER: -- in containment.
22 MR. ROPER: Well, anyway --
23 MR. SNYDER: Anyway --
24 MR. ROPER: Well, let me just --
25 MR. SNYDER: -- there's no real change.
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314 1 MR. ROPER: No real change?
2 MR. SNYDER: No.
3 MR. ROPER: Let me give you a little 4 background. Like I said, we have been basically satisfied with the report that we received last night.
6 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
7 MR. ROPER: And we're just kind of 8 monitoring, pending any updates or calls from you.
9 MR. SNYDER: Okay. Yeah, and that's kind 10 of what we've been doing, too, here. I mean, our --
11 MR. ROPER: And the reason that I called 12 is because, you know, the White House is calling to 13 see if we 14 MR. SNYDER: Ah.
15 MR. ROPER: -- had any additional 16 information.
17 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
18 MR-. ROPER: And I was just wanting to 19 provide them the most current, you know, to follow up, 20 you know, to -- again, it was as of late last night 21 that we had received something.
22 MR. SNYDER: Uh-huh.
23 MR. ROPER: And I was just calling to see 24 if there was any changes, any significant -- as you 25 stated, nothing --
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315 I MR. SNYDER: Nothing significant, because, 2 you know, basically they are still in a holding 3 pattern as far as doing anything until they, you know, 4 fully establish what exactly happened last night. You 5 know, they got --
6 MR. ROPER: It's still under 7 investigation?
8 MR. SNYDER: _shut down. Yeah. I 'mean, 9 that's what the licensee is doing up there, just, you 10 know, because they need to understand what happened, 11 too, so it doesn't happen again, because -- of course, 12 while something like this isn't unusual, you know, and 13 significant work has gone on in containment, it is not 14 something they want to have happen, you know, so --
15 MR. ROPER: To determine what happened, 16 huh?
17 MR. SNYDER: What's that?
18 MR. ROPER: They are basically going 19 through the process of determining what happened.
20 MR. SNYDER: Right. That's what they --
21 they are still, and, you know, ironing it out and 22 hammering it down and coming up with something to make 23 sure it doesn't happen again, so -- before they move 24 on.
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316 1 huh?
2 MR. SNYDER: Right. I mean, that's --
3 that's what we, you know -- in the nuclear power 4 world, I guess every -- every place, you know, you try 5 to hammer them out before they -- before they come and 6 bite you again. You know, something like this, it 7 could have been -- it could have been more 8 significant, but you just -- you know, especially if 9 you don't fully understand what it is, so that's what 10 they're trying to do is fully understand it before 11 they -- they go on.
12 MR. ROPER: Okay. Like I say, the only 13 thing we have here is the report I received last 14 night, and we will forward this information forward to 15 -- you know, to 16 MR. SNYDER: Okay.
17 MR.- ROPER: -- to the White House.
18 MR. SNYDER: And if you want, I can -- I 19 can forward you a copy of our event report. You know, 20 it's not -- it has not been released yet to the 21 public, but I certainly can forward you a copy of what 22 we have in our system right now. It's Event Report 23 Number 45514.-; And see, you know, if you guys -- if 24 you want to have somebody there compare it to what you 25 guys have, and make sure it's -- you know, everything NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS'AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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317 1 agrees or it's up to date, so --
2 MR. ROPER:
3 MR. SNYDER: I would be happy to do that.
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8 MR. SNYDER: Yes, sir.
9 MR. ROPER: Okay. L,et me give you our 10 e-mail address here.
MR. SNYDER: Okay.
12 MR. ROPER: Let me go and find the latest 13 -- let me see what I -- hold just a minute.
14 TMI-61 1 PARTICIPANT: NRC Operations Center. This 16 is a recorded line. Can I help you?
17 MR. KANNETH: Hi. It's Polson at Good 18 Morning America, ABC News. How are you?
19 PARTICIPANT: Good. What's your name 20 again, sir?
21 MR. KANNETH: Polson, P-O-L-S-O-N.
22 PARTICIPANT: P --
23 MR. KANNETH: O-L-S-0-N.
24 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Polson.
25 MR. KANNETH: Yes.
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318 1 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
2 MR. KANNETH: And my last name is Kanneth, 3 K-A-N-N-E-T-H.
4 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Polson.
MR. KANNETH: Uh-huh. And I want to know if there is a Public Affairs Officer on duty that I 7 may speak to.
8 PARTICIPANT: Yeah. This is Public 9 Affairs on duty, but they are I believe at TMI or 1 somebody is going out there right now. You know, 11 they're on duty, so we can take your name and number 12 and have them call you back, because they are going to 13 give a press conference there.
14 MR. KANNETH: Yeah. If they can give me a 15 call back at i: .... ...
16 PARTICIPANT: Okay.
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17 MR. KANNETH:
1 PARTICIPANT: And, again, who do you 19 represent, sir?
20 MR. KANNETH: ABC News, Good Morning 21 America.
22 PARTICIPANT: Okay. Good Morning America.
(b)(6) 23 All right. And that's All right, 24 Polson. And we'll pass that information along, and --
25 any deadline or anything like that you have?
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319 MR. KANNETH: Well, as soon as possible.
We want to know if the NRC is going to put anyone out for tomorrow morning.
PARTICIPANT: All right. Well, like I said, I know there is going to be a press conference later today there, so --
MR. KANNETH: All right.
PARTICIPANT: All right. But, anyway, we'll try to give -- have them give you a call in addition to that, then.
.MR. KANNETH: Great. Thank you so much.
PARTICIPANT: Okay. Bye.
MR. KANNETH: Bye-bye.
TMI-62 MR. COLLINS: Region I is on the bridge.
MS. HAYDEN: Hi. This is Beth. I was trying to reach Sam.
MR. COLLINS: Hi, Beth. This is Sam.
MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
MR. COLLINS: How are you doing? I have Dave Lew here with me.
MR. LEW: Hi, Beth.
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320 1 left.
2 (Laughter.)
3 How can we help you today?
4 MS. HAYDEN: Well, I talked to the 5 Chairman's office about a request from Good Morning 6 America --
7 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
8 MS. HAYDEN: -- to go on -- to go on 9 camera tomorrow morning. And even though they kept 10 asking, "Has anybody asked, has anybody asked?" I 11 said, "Yes, finally somebody has asked." "Oh, well, 12 we don't think we want to have the Chairman involved."
13 And I said, "That's probably a good idea. I think it 14 puts too high a hat on it."
15 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
16 MS. HAYDEN: But I said I do think it 17 provides a good opportunity for us to say, you know, 18 what we did and clear up any misconceptions. So I 19 talked to Diane, and I said, you 'know, I really think 20 the right person would probably be you, Sam. But I 21 don't -- if they can't find a studio in like the 22 Philadelphia area, I don't see having you trying to 23 drive down here to Washington to do this tomorrow 24 morning, in. which case I would see whether -- I guess 25 it's Mike Johnson who is acting for --
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321 MR. COLLINS: He is acting for Bruce.
MS. HAYDEN: Bruce, yeah.
MR. COLLINS: Correct.
r MS. HAYDEN: To see if one of those two could do it. but I wanted to check with you to see, you know, what you felt about it.
E MR. COLLINS: Yeah, I think Mike is the right person. Mike -- you know, he's very credible.
MS. HAYDEN: Uh-huh, yeah.
1C MR. COLLINS: And we can we can get 11 Mike up to speed. It's pretty straightforward.
12 MS. HAYDEN: Uh-huh. Okay.
13 MR. COLLINS: He has been involved --
14 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah.
15 MR. COLLINS: -- since yesterday 16 afternoon, and he is Acting Deputy Director.
17 MS. HAYDEN: Uh-huh, right.
18 MR. COLLINS: That doesn't put quite the 19 high hat on it that --
20 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah.
21 MR. COLLINS: -- it would for the 22 Chairman.
23 MS. HAYDEN: Right, right.
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322 1 part of it, as you indicated, is to put it in 2 perspective.
3 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah, and to let people know, 4 no, we're -- there aren't mass evacuation because of 5 all of this radiation bellowing out of the plant.
6 MR. COLLINS: Correct.
7 MS. HAYDEN: So, and I'm sure those people 8 that were (inaudible) at Three Mile Island, you know, 9 that is something that is going to come to their mind.
1 So -- all right. Well, I will try to get hold of 11 Mike, and see if I can't set that up tomorrow morning.
12 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And --
13 MS. HAYDEN: Okay?
14 MR. COLLINS: Yes. Have you talked to 15 Diane following her briefing Beth?
16 MS. HAYDEN: Yes. I just got off the 17 phone with her.
18 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So you have those 19 insights.
20 MS. HAYDEN: Yep. Yep. That's what I 21 wanted to do before I figured o~ut what we're going to 22 do here.
23 MR. COLLINS: Sure.
24 MS. HAYDEN: So, and she's doing an 25 interview with CNN at 4:30, so --
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323 1 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
2 MS. HAYDEN: -- so that's the only non-3 local news organization, she told me, that, you know, 4 has shown an interest. So I said, "Okay. Well, if 5 CNN is. going to be talking to us, then it probably 6 would be a good idea to have somebody on camera 7 tomorrow morning."
8 MR. COLLINS: Sure. what would that 9 entail for Mike, and how would you suggest we ensure 10 that he is prepared, Beth?
11 MS. HAYDEN: Well, I think at a minimum he 12 needs to, you know, talk to you or Dave to find out 13 what is -- you know, what has transpired. I don't 14 know how much he is up to date on this, and I 15 certainly would be talking with him. And if he, you 16 know, felt like he needed to come into the office to 17 go over some talking points, I could do that, and then 18 I would meet him down at the studio tomorrow morning.
19 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Yeah, we have talking 20 points prepared. They might --
21 MS. HAYDEN: Right. I saw them.
22 MR. COLLINS: -- need to be. refreshed 23 based on --
24 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah.
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324 1 of course, we will potentially add more information in 2 the morning even. But I think as far as --
3 MS. HAYDEN: Right.
4 MR. COLLINS: -- the message, what we are really talking about is any potential health effects, 6 and what really 7 MS. HAYDEN: Right.
8 MR. COLLINS: -- occurred, and those types 9 of things. So --
10 MS. HAYDEN: Exactly.
11 MR. COLLINS: -- the details of the root 12 cause and all I think can be handled at a fairly high 13 level.
14 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah. It was unclear to me 15 -when the workers were going to be returning to work, 16 and Diane said she thought maybe some of them already 17 had, but she wasn't sure. So--
18 MR. LEW: Yeah. Some of them have already 19 returned, and they are part of -- when they have these 20 events, they have -- they have an event review team 21 going on where they are interviewing these individuals.
22 as they are coming back. They weren't able to 23 interview all of them, just because of how long they 24 were at the site yesterday.
25 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
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325 1 MR. LEW: They sent them home to get 2 rested.
3 MS. HAYDEN: Right. Okay.
4 MR. LEW: Some are back onsite.
5 MS. HAYDEN: Okay. All right. Well, 6 then, that's how I'll proceed. I'll give Mike a call 7 and see if he can help us out tomorrow morning, okay?
8 MR. COLLINS: All righty. Now, do you 9 have a backup for Mike if for some reason that doesn't 10 work out? Do you have a fallback plan or --
11 MS. HAYDEN: I don't yet.
12 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
13 MS. HAYDEN: But Irmay have to.
14 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
15 MS. HAYDEN: Depending on what he says.
16 MR. COLLINS: Well, if you need us --
17 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
18 MR. COLLINS: If you need us, let us know, 19 because we -- you know, we some alternatives here.
20 You know, Dave is here, and I wouldn't want anybody 21 who has been up like we have --
22 MS. HAYDEN: Exactly. That was my 23 concern, and Diane said the same thing. "You know, 24 they're probably pretty tired." And I said, "Yeah, I 25 know."
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326 1 MR. COLLINS: But I know Mike will do a 2 good job. I just would want to be sure he's 3 adequately prepared.
4 MS. HAYDEN: Okay. Well, we'll do our 5 best.
6 MR. COLLINS: Yeah.
7 MS. HAYDEN: Okay?
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
9 MS. HAYDEN: All right. Thanks so much.
10 MR. LEW: Just so I'm clear, Beth, because 11 we have --
12 MS. HAYDEN: Yes.
13 MR. LEW: -- we have the 4:30 briefing 14 today --
15 MS. HAYDEN: Uh-huh.
16 MR. LEW: -- which is the internal update.
17 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
18 MR. LEW: And if Mike would jump on board 19 with that 4:30 brief --
20 MS. HAYDEN: Yep.
21 MR. LEW: -- we'll run through everything 22 we know. And then maybe following that we can keep a 23 few people on the line to be sure you and I and Mike 24 and all are --
25 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah.
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327 1 MR. LEW: -- and Dave are aligned on what 2 we need to do to help him.
3 MS. HAYDEN: I agree.
4 MR. LEW: Because I think after 4:30 we
.. 5 are going to stand down from the level of involvement 6 we currently have, unless something changes between 7 now and then.
8 MS. HAYDEN: Okay. All right. Sounds 9 like a plan?
10 MR. LEW: Would that be okay?
11 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
12 MS. HAYDEN: Okay.
13 MR. COLLINS: Just call into the HOO --
that's all you need to do -- and they'll hook you up 15 at 4:30.
16 MS. HAYDEN: Okay. Great. Thanks, Sam.
17 MR. COLLINS: All right. Bye, Beth.
18 MS. HAYDEN: Yeah, bye.
19 MR. LEW: Bye.
20 (End of recording.)
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