ML093240195
| ML093240195 | |
| Person / Time | |
|---|---|
| Site: | Salem, Hope Creek  |
| Issue date: | 11/05/2009 |
| From: | Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation |
| To: | |
| Ashley D, NRR/DLR, 415-3191 | |
| References | |
| NRC-3176, FOIA/PA-2011-0113 | |
| Download: ML093240195 (80) | |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Salem/Hope Creek License Renewal Public Meeting Docket Number:
(n/a)
Location:
Woodstown, New Jersey Date:
Thursday, November 5, 2009 Work Order No.:
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 SALEM/HOPE CREEK 4
NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION 5
LICENSE RENEWAL PROCESS 6
and 7
ENVIRONMENTAL SCOPING MEETING 8
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9 Thursday, 10 November 5th, 2009 11
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12 Woodstown, New Jersey 13 The Public Meeting was held at 1:00 p.m. at the 14 Salem County Emergency Services Building, 135 Cemetery 15
- Road, Woodstown, New
- Jersey, Lance Rakovan, 16 Facilitator, presiding.
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APPEARANCES:
1 LANCE RAKOVAN - Facilitator 2
BO PHAM - NRC Projects Branch 1 3
NEIL SHEEHAN - NRC/OPA 4
BRIAN G. HARRIS - NRC/OGC 5
DONNIE ASHLEY - Srr. Project Manager 6
CHARLES ECCLESTON - Project Manager 7
NATHAN FERRER - Project Manager 8
DANIEL DOYLE - Project Manager 9
DANIEL SCHROEDER, Srr. Resident Inspector, Salem 10 HARRY BALIAN - Resident Inspector, Salem 11 BLAKE WELLING - Sr. Resident Inspector, Hope 12 Creek 13 AMAR PATEL - Resident Inspector, Hope Creek 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
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A-G-E-N-D-A 1
2 WELCOME AND OPENING REMARKS........................ 4 3
OVERVIEW OF SCOPING PROCESSES 4
DONNIE ASHLEY.......... Error! Bookmark not defined.8 5
CHARLES ECCLESTON................................. 22 6
PUBLIC COMMENTS................................... 35 7
CLOSING REMARKS................................... 77 8
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P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 1
1:30 p.m.
2 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Good afternoon, 3
everyone. I have to say this is the most orderly 4
public meeting I think I have done in a really long 5
time.
6 Thanks to everyone for taking their seats 7
so we can get started on time. My name is Lance 8
Rakovan, I'm a Communications Specialist at the U.S.
9 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, or NRC, as you will 10 hear it referred to today.
11 It is my pleasure to facilitate this 12 afternoon's meeting, along with my colleague, Butch 13 Burton, who also comes to us from NRC, from our Office 14 of New Reactors.
15 What we are going to try to do is to just 16 kind of keep the meeting on schedule, and try to make 17 the meeting, this afternoon, productive for everyone 18 who is here.
19 The purpose of this meeting is to discuss 20 the license renewal and environmental scoping 21 processes, for the license renewal application from 22 Public Service Enterprise Group Nuclear, or PSEG 23 Nuclear, and Exelon Generation Company, for the 24 renewal of the operating licensees for the Salem 25
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Nuclear Generating Station, Units 1 and 2, and Hope 1
Creek Generating Station.
2 And to provide members of the public and 3
opportunity to provide us comments regarding 4
environmental issues that the NRC should consider 5
during its review.
6 A term you are going to hear a lot today 7
is scoping. That simply means determining the scope 8
of an Environmental Review, in this case for the Salem 9
and Hope Creek sites.
10 Today is one way that you can participate 11 in the scoping process, and we will be going through 12 that as part of our presentations in a moment.
13 The meeting, today, is essentially going 14 to have two parts. First we are going to hear some 15 short presentations from some NRC staff on the license 16
- renewal, and Environmental Review Processes, 17 information that we think is important that you 18 understand, when it comes to the license renewal for 19 Salem and Hope Creek.
20 There are copies of the presentation on 21 the sign-in table in the back. If you didn't happen to 22 pick one up, that is okay. I'm going to probably grab 23 a few and run them around in a moment.
24 So once I'm done giving my opening 25
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comments, just look for me, give me a hands-up, and 1
will bring a copy of the presentations over to you.
2 I'm going to try to keep these 3
presentations short, so we can get to the second half 4
of the meeting, which is for us to listen to your 5
comments, that you have on the Environmental Review.
6 There were yellow cards at the sign-in 7
table. If you knew you wanted to speak then, 8
hopefully, you filled one of those out. I'm going to, 9
essentially, just call people up one at a time, to 10 take the podium, and give us their comments, from 11 those cards.
12 If you weren't sure that you wanted to 13 speak, at the beginning of the meeting, and you decide 14 that you want to, we just ask that you fill one of 15 those cards out for us and then we will be more than 16 happy to let you come up to the podium and speak.
17 We ask that you fill out those cards so 18 that we have your name correctly, so we can get you 19 correctly on the transcript. And I want to make sure 20 that you are aware that we are transcribing today's 21 meeting.
22 You can help us get a clean transcript for 23 the meeting by silencing any electronic devices, 24 phones, blackberries, those kinds of things, right now 25
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if you would.
1 Keeping side conversations to a minimum, 2
so that we can make sure that the focus is on whoever 3
has the floor. And just generally trying to keep the 4
noise level down so that we can get, again, a clean 5
transcript.
6 If you are going to speak, once you come 7
up and take the microphone, if you could let us know 8
who you are, and any organization that you are with.
9 Again, this will help us identify, on the transcript, 10 who is speaking at each time.
11 Another item that I'm hoping you picked up 12 when you walked in, is our public meeting feedback 13 form. This is just a short form where you can give us 14 your opinion on how today's meeting went.
15 You can either hand that to any of the 16 NRC staff in attendance this afternoon, and we have 17 these badges on, or you can drop it in the mail, 18 postage is free, and that will get to us.
19 So that is just a way that you can kind of 20 give us an idea on how you think things went tonight.
21 Rest rooms are actually right behind me, 22 but in case you don't feel like going through the 23 central door, essentially, to the meeting, if you do 24 go through the elevator lobby, and make a left, there 25
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is a rest room that way.
1 Sam, is there any way to turn that down, 2
by any chance? We will see if we can have that not be 3
doing that during the meeting.
4 I want to take a moment to introduce some 5
of the NRC staff in attendance, here. Our presenters 6
are Donnie Ashley, who is the lead for the Salem Hope 7
Creek license renewal, and Charles Eccleston, who is 8
the lead for Salem Hope Creek environmental scoping.
9 We also have Bo Pham, who manages these gentlemen.
10 With that I'm going to hand things over to 11 Donnie, so that he can go through these presentations.
12 And once the presentations are over I will be back, 13 and we will start calling people up to give us their 14 comments on the environmental scoping. Donnie?
15 MR. ASHLEY: Thanks, Lance, we appreciate 16 it. Can everyone hear me okay? I'm an old 17 instructor, so sometimes I start getting louder and 18 louder. So if I see someone wince I will tone it down 19 a little bit.
20 It is good to see all of you here. We 21 appreciate your attendance at this meeting. We 22 appreciate Salem County, and Mr. Gage and the staff 23 here for the use of this facility.
24 As I said, we appreciate Salem County, and 25
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the administration for the use of this wonderful 1
facility, and we appreciate the turn-out from the 2
local community here.
3 As Lance said, I'm the senior project 4
manager for the Salem Hope Creek license review group.
5 And we want to provide you with an overview of the 6
license renewal process.
7 This includes both a Safety Review and an 8
Environmental Review. This afternoon most of the time 9
will be spent on the Environmental Review, and 10 discussing what that process is, and how you can 11 participate.
12 One of the things that we will do, as 13 Lance said, again, we will be taking questions from 14 you about the Safety Review, and the Environmental 15 Review, as well as allowing you time to comment.
16 I hope that the information that we 17 provide to you today will help you to understand this 18 process, and the roles that you can play in this 19 almost two year process, including helping us make 20 sure that the Environmental Review considers all the 21 relevant information that we need to look at.
22 Before I go into the discussion of the 23 process itself, I would like to take a few minutes to 24 talk about the NRC, in terms of what we do, and what 25
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1 The NRC is a federal agency, established 2
by the Energy Reorganization Act of 1974, that 3
regulates the civilian use of nuclear materials.
4 The Atomic Energy Act of 1954 authorizes 5
the NRC to grant a 40 year operating license for 6
nuclear power reactors. This 40 year term was based, 7
primarily, on economic considerations, and on anti-8 trust factors, not on safety or technical limitations.
9 The Atomic Energy Act also allowed for 10 license renewal. The National Environmental Policy 11 Act of 1969, which we refer to as NEPA, establishes 12 the national policy for considering the impact of 13 federal decision-making on the human environment.
14 And Charles is going to talk about that in 15 greater detail, in just a few minutes. The NRC's 16 regulations governing nuclear safety, security, and 17 environmental protection, are contained in Title 10 of 18 the Code of Federal Regulations, which is commonly 19 referred to as 10CFR. 20 In exercising its regulatory authority, 21 the NRC's mission is three-fold. To ensure adequate 22 protection of public health and safety; to promote the 23 common defense and security, and to protect the 24 environment.
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a variety of combined regulatory programs, and 2
processes, such as establishing rules and regulations, 3
conducting inspections, issuing enforcement actions, 4
assessing licensee performance, and evaluating 5
operating experience from these nuclear plants, as 6
well as other nuclear plants across the nation, and 7
around the world.
8 The NRC has resident inspectors at all 9
operating nuclear power plants. These inspectors are 10 considered the eyes and the ears of the NRC. They 11 carry out our safety mission on a daily basis, and are 12 on the front lines of ensuring acceptable safety 13 performance, and compliance with regulatory 14 requirements.
15 Mr.
Blake Welling is with us this 16 afternoon, and we appreciate him taking the time to be 17 here. I'd like to mention a few more very important 18 areas of NRC oversight that routinely come up, during 19 our interaction with members of the public.
20 The NRC staff addresses these areas of 21 performance every day, as part of the ongoing 22 regulatory oversight provided for all currently 23 operating power reactors.
24 And they include the current safety 25
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violations, and general assessment of plant 2
performance, emergency planning, and security.
3 For specific information on the current 4
performances of both Salem and Hope Creek, there is a 5
link provided on the hand-out that we gave you. Or if 6
you to the NRC website, nrc.gov you will be able to 7
locate it there, as well.
8 The NRC monitors and provides regulatory 9
oversight of activities in these areas, on an ongoing 10 basis, during the term of the current operating 11 license.
12 Thus we, and license renewal, do not 13 reevaluate them. That is not to say they are not 14 important it is just that we don't duplicate anything 15 that is being done in the regulatory processes for 16 these areas of license.
17 The NRC received the applications for 18 license renewal of all three units, on August 18th, 19 2009. For those of you who would like an electronic 20 copy of those applications, we have cds in the back of 21 the room, for you, just see one of the NRC 22 representatives, and we will get you a copy of that.
23 You can also look on the NRC website, and 24 see it there, if you need to. The current operating 25
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Creek in 2026.
2 Salem unit 1 was initially licensed in 3
August 13th, 1976, with unit 2 following in April of 4
1980. Hope Creek was licensed in April of 1986.
5 A licensee can submit an application for 6
license renewal after 20 years of operations. The 7
length of any given license cannot exceed 40 years.
8 Renewed license is superseding. That is, it will 9
replace the original license that the plant received.
10 The first step of the license renewal 11 process is to perform an acceptance and sufficiency 12 review of the application. When the NRC receives the 13 application, the staff examines it to determine 14 whether the application contains sufficient 15 information to justify a review.
16 The staff looks to see whether the 17 Applicant has provided enough information in terms of 18 technical information, technical specifications, and 19 the Environmental Report, so that the staff can begin 20 its work.
21 If the application has enough information 22 in it to warrant the staff's review, then the 23 application is considered acceptable, and sufficient, 24 and is placed on the NRC's formal docket.
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because we place things on the docket. And this is 2
the formal body of in that is the official license of 3
the plant, and any information that changes that 4
license, goes on that docket.
5 So most everything that we do goes on the 6
docket. And the docket information is publicly 7
available for the most part, except for security 8
information.
9 Within the application, itself, there is 10 general information such as the Applicant's name, and 11 addresses, and
- business, and administrative 12 information.
13 The technical information is specific to 14 the plant's structures and components, and how the 15 Applicant proposes to manage the aging of those 16 components.
17 This information is the focus of the 18 Safety Review. Technical specifications, which define 19 the operating parameters of the plant, indicates what, 20 if
- any, changes or additions to technical 21 specifications are necessary to manage the effects of 22 aging during the period of extended operation.
23 That period of extended operation we refer 24 to is the time after the old license would have 25
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The application also includes the 1
environmental report, which is the assessment of the 2
environmental impacts of continued operation.
3 This information is the starting point for 4
the staff's Environmental Review that Charles is going 5
to discuss.
6 Salem and Hope Creek's applications were 7
found to be acceptable, and placed on the docket on 8
October the 23rd of this year.
9 Hopefully you can see that. This is the 10 license renewal process and it does go into two paths, 11 and right now I'm talking about the path for the 12 Safety Review.
13 And there is another review there with the 14 environmental. But these two reviews merge at the 15 very end in the NRC's decision-making process. They 16 are separate aspects of license renewal.
17 And one of the considerations is an 18 independent review of our work, by the Advisory 19 Committee on Reactor Safeguards. And we refer to that 20 as the ACRS.
21 Its statutory mandates, by the Atomic 22 Energy Act of 1954, the Advisory Committee on Reactor 23 Safeguards is a group of scientists, and nuclear 24 safety experts, who serve as the consulting body to 25
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1 The ACRS reviews the license renewal 2
application, the NRC's staff Safety Review, and the 3
regional staff's inspectionary findings. The ACRS 4
then reports their
- findings, and their 5
recommendations, directly to the Commission.
6 Hearings may also be conducted if 7
interested stakeholders submit
- concerns, or 8
contentions and their request for a hearing is 9
granted.
10 The Atomic Safety and Licensing Board will 11 conduct those hearings. This is an adjudicatory 12 panel, and the Commission considers the outcome of the 13 hearing process in its decision on whether or not to 14 issue a renewed license.
15 As part of the Environmental Review, the 16 staff will consult with local, state, and federal 17 authorities, such as the EPA, and with tribal 18 officials.
19 The staff also holds public meetings to 20 receive comments on the Draft Environmental Impact 21 Statements. In this schedule, in the process, the 22 schedule that we follow normally takes 22 months.
23 Hearings, if they are granted, will add 24 additional time to that 22 months schedule. We have 25
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at least eight months to a year to each of the 2
schedules.
3 Salem and Hope Creek are scheduled to be 4
completed in June of 2011, if there are no hearings.
5 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Donnie, it looks 6
like you are going backwards on the slides right now.
7 So I think maybe you are hitting the wrong button.
8 MR. ASHLEY: Well, they have reversed 9
buttons on me.
10 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: There we go.
11 MR. ASHLEY: Thanks, Lance.
12 To better understanding the license 13 renewal process it is good to know the safety 14 principles that guide license renewal. The first 15 principle is that the current regulatory process is 16 adequate to ensure that the licensing basis of all the 17 operating plants provides and maintains an acceptable 18 level of safety.
19 The second principle is that the current 20 plant-specific licensing basis must be maintained 21 during the renewal term, in the same manner, and to 22 the same extent, as the original operating license 23 term.
24 In other words, the same rules that apply 25
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renewal period. In addition renewed license will 2
include additional conditions that must be met to 3
ensure aging of structures and components, important 4
to safety, is adequately managed, so that the plant's 5
current licensing basis is maintained throughout the 6
period of extended operation.
7 In other words, what is being done today 8
will continue, plus additional requirements.
9 The Safety Review focuses on the aging of 10 passive and long-lived structures, and components, and 11 systems, that the NRC deems important to safety.
12 The safety related systems, structures, 13 and components, are covered, that we evaluate, are 14 covered in 10CFR54.4, paragraph A1.
15 Non-safety related structures, systems, 16 and component failures are those things which could 17 prevent satisfactory accomplishment of safety related 18 SSC functions, and those are considered in 54.4 A2.
19 We evaluate failures that are part of the 20 current licensing basis of the plant. And it may 21 require that we evaluate second, third, and fourth 22 level support systems. So it may not be just primary 23 systems that we evaluate.
24 Structures, systems, and components relied 25
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a function that demonstrates compliance with 2
regulations in 10CFR54.4 A3.
3 These would be SSCs that are in fire 4
protection, environmental qualification, pressurized 5
thermal shock, anticipated transients without SCRAM, 6
and station black-outs. Those are specifically 7
described in regulations that we evaluate.
8 The passive functions of these components 9
are functions that are made without moving parts, or 10 change in configuration, or properties, such as 11 buildings and supports.
12 They are long-lived SSCs, they are not 13 replaced on qualified life, or a specified time 14 period. Active components within the plant, pumps, 15 circuit
- breakers, those kinds of
- things, are 16 generically excluded from the review, because those 17 are part of the review that is being done on a daily 18 basis.
19 The staff's main objective, in this review 20 of license renewal, is to determine if the effects of 21 aging will be adequately managed by the Applicant.
22 The result of the Safety Review are documented in a 23 Safety Evaluation Report, which we refer to as an SER.
24 Since there were two applications that we 25
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produce two Safety Evaluation Reports.
2 The Safety Review, or the technical staff 3
reviews the Applicant's license renewal application, 4
and all of its supporting documentation, to determine 5
that the Applicant's methodology, to identify the 6
structures and components, within the scope of license 7
renewal, and subject to an aging management review.
8 To determine if the methodology has been 9
properly implemented, and to determine, with 10 reasonable assurance, if the effects of aging, for 11 certain SSCs will be adequately managed, or monitored, 12 by new and existing programs, and surveillance 13 activities.
14 The staff uses site audits, make visits to 15 the site to verify the technical basis of the license 16 renewal application, and to confirm that the 17 Applicant's aging management
- programs, and the 18 activities, conform with how they are described in the 19 application.
20 The staff documents the basis and the 21 conclusion of its review, in the Safety Evaluation 22 Report. Those Safety Evaluation Reports will be 23 publicly available, when they are completed.
24 In
- addition, a
team of specialized 25
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regional office, to verify that the aging management 2
programs are being implemented, modified, or planned 3
consistent with the license renewal application.
4 Finally, as I mentioned, the Advisory 5
Committee on Reactor Safeguards, the ACRS, performs 6
that independent review of the license renewal 7
application, the SER, and the inspection findings, and 8
makes that recommendation to the Commission, regarding 9
the proposed action to issue a renewed operating 10 license.
11 Only after all of those activities are 12 completed will the NRC make a decision on renewing the 13 operating licenses. The public will have several 14 opportunities to participate, and be heard, during the 15 license renewal process.
16 This slide lists three opportunities for 17 involvement through the safety track of the process.
18 And the fourth is this meeting today. In addition 19 there will be two ACRS meetings that would be open to 20 the public, and those are tentatively scheduled for 21 October of 2010, and the full Committee meeting in May 22 of 2011.
23 That concludes the safety side of this 24 presentation. And do you want to take questions now, 25
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1 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: I think we would 2
like to get through the presentation and then we are 3
going to pause, briefly, to see if there are any 4
clarifying questions. So I think we should move on to 5
Charles.
6 MR. ASHLEY: Thank you. Charles?
7 MR. ECCLESTON: As Donnie stated, my name 8
is Charles Eccleston, I'm the environmental project 9
manager for the Salem and Hope Creek license renewal 10 project.
11 I, quite often, give my presentations 12 without a microphone. So if I get too loud, or if I'm 13 not loud enough, please anybody feel free to raise 14 their hand and let me know.
15 NEPA is the National Environmental Policy 16 Act of 1969. And NEPA is noted for two basic 17 attributes. The first is that it establishes the 18 basic environmental charter, the basic environmental 19 policy for the entire United States.
20 In fact, it has been called the grand-21 daddy of all modern environmental legislation.
22 Virtually every major environmental statute, and 23 regulation, followed on the footsteps of NEPA's 24 policy.
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to endangered species, TOSHKA, RECRA, SERCLA, this 2
endless array of acronyms that most of us can't 3
pronounce, those all followed on the wake of NEPA.
4 But NEPA is also important for one other 5
aspect. And that is it requires an EIS, or an 6
Environmental Impact Statement for all major federal 7
actions significantly affecting the quality of the 8
human environment.
9 And there is one other requirement, here, 10 and that is this, and it is quite important. It 11 requires an objective, inter-disciplinary and 12 systematic process be used --
13 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Charles, microphone?
14 MR. ECCLESTON: -- in preparing the EIS.
15 In other words, you need a structured 16 scientific process, an objective process, be used in 17 preparing the EIS.
18 Did I go backwards?
19 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Donnie, do you want 20 to give him a hand to --
21 MR. ASHLEY: Yes, I already know how to go 22 back.
23 MR. ECCLESTON: The EIS must rigorously 24 investigate the environmental impacts of license 25
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1 The purpose of the EIS is to inform 2
federal decision-makers, and to publicly disclose the 3
impacts of the
- proposal, and the reasonable 4
alternatives. And that includes the alternative of 5
no-action. In this case the alternative of no-action 6
involves denial of license extension.
7 Again, as Donnie said earlier, NRC's 8
environmental regulations can be found at 10CFR Part 9
- 51.
10 What I wanted to do here was give you a 11 basic outline, and an idea of how the entire EIS 12 process works. Pay special note to the boxes that are 13 in yellow over here.
14 This is a simplified process. There are a 15 lot more boxes that go into it. This, basically, 16 shows the overall process of what we will be doing 17 over the course of this license renewal project.
18 The EIS begins with an issuance of a 19 Notice of Intent, or an NOI. The NOI is published in 20 the Federal Register. And it basically announces that 21 a federal agency plans to prepare an EIS.
22 That step has already taken place. The 23 NRC published, in the Federal Register, a notice 24 indicating that we intend to prepare an EIS for the 25
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1 Once you get past the NOI stage, you go 2
into a public scoping process. And that includes a 3
public scoping meeting. And that is what we are doing 4
here today. We are at the public scoping meeting.
5 The purpose of this meeting is to solicit 6
input and comments regarding the scope of EIS. So we 7
are going to take the information we get from the 8
public, we are going to feed that in, and we are going 9
to use that to help determine the scope of the EIS 10 that we prepare.
11 We will be preparing a Draft Environmental 12 Impact Statement, in this case it is an SEIS, or a 13 supplemental Environmental Impact Statement, but just 14 to simplify it, I'm going to call it an EIS, okay?
15 Once the draft EIS is prepared, we then 16 take that EIS and we publicly issue it to the public, 17 and we again ask the public for comments and input 18 regarding that draft EIS.
19 Anything that we obtain from the public, 20 in terms of comments, or issues, or concerns, we 21 consider and then we use those to revise the draft 22 EIS, and we prepare a final EIS.
23 Once the final EIS is prepared, we then 24 prepare, then we publicly issue that final EIS.
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opportunity to review it, and once that step is 2
completed, and only at that step, does the federal 3
agency, in this case the NRC Commission, issue what is 4
known as an ROD, or Record of Decision.
5 The Record of Decision documents the NRC's 6
Commission decision with respect to license renewal.
7 And then only after that point can any action be taken 8
with respect to licensing the Salem Hope Creek 9
reactors, or possibly denying the license, or even 10 pursuing some kind of reasonable alternative.
11 But, again, the yellow boxes there show 12 you the steps, where you have an opportunity to 13 prevent, or to provide comments, or be engaged in the 14 public process.
15 Now, again, I want to emphasize that the 16 purpose of this public scoping meeting that we are 17 having today, is to solicit public input and comments 18 regarding the scope of the EIS.
19 It is not to make a decision regarding the 20 proposed action which is license renewal. Again, the 21 EIS will assist the NRC in reaching a final decision 22 regarding the license renewal application.
23 This brings us to the scoping process.
24 Specifically, what are we looking at, at this scoping 25
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1 We are looking for the scope of actions 2
that should be considered in the EIS. What types of 3
actions should that EIS be evaluating, and addressing?
4 In addition to that we are looking at the 5
potentially significant impacts, environmental impact, 6
and environmental issues, that you think are important 7
that that EIS needs to address.
8 And the third thing is the alternatives.
9 What are the reasonable alternatives that you think 10 should be evaluated. Because one of the requirements 11 of an EIS is to look at reasonable alternatives, and 12 to evaluate the impacts, and compare those impacts 13 with the impacts of the proposed action, which in this 14 case is license renewal.
15 Now, what does the EIS evaluate? Well, 16 take a look at the left side here. It looks at a host 17 of different impacts on resources. Everything from 18 fish, and wildlife impacts, to water resource impacts, 19 historical and cultural resource impacts, socio-20 economic impacts.
21 Impacts such as impacts to
- taxes, 22 community development, what about impacts to your 23 infrastructure, environmental justice impacts. We 24 also look at human health impacts.
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1 It will be a host of impacts. And some of it will 2
drive what we evaluate will come from the comments 3
that we receive from the scoping meeting, and the 4
scoping process in general.
5 Now, that leads to the question, how is a 6
decision made? If you look up at the very top here, 7
we have the public scoping comments. That is what we 8
are doing right here today.
9 We are trying to obtain public input, 10 trying to determine what you think is important, that 11 will feed into a supplemental Environmental Impact 12 Statement, which we will prepare.
13 And when that EIS is complete, it will 14 feed into the license renewal decision. It will feed 15 into the license renewal decision process. But note 16 that that is not the only thing that feeds into the 17 decision-making process.
18 There are other things as well. We have 19 detailed Safety Evaluation Report which Donnie, over 20 here, is responsible for. We will be conducting 21 regional inspections, we will have the license renewal 22 application.
23 There is also the Advisory Committee on 24 Reactor Safeguards, which Donnie had talked about 25
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independent review, and an independent recommendation 2
that will feed into the decision-making process.
3 And last, but not least, in some cases 4
there will be public hearings, and that will also feed 5
into the decision-making process. So it is a host of 6
factors.
7 But one of the very important factors, up 8
here, is the EIS process. So we are here to receive 9
input, comments, ideas, on what the scope of this EIS 10 should be.
11 I would like to just give you some 12 examples of what we are looking for. What is unique 13 about your community? What would you like to see in 14 the EIS that is unique about your community?
15 What are some of the local environmental 16 issues that should be examined? Do you have specific 17 concerns about environmental impacts, or environmental 18 issues? If so, let us know, we will do our best to 19 get those incorporated into the EIS.
20 Socio-economic interests are often quite 21 important to the local citizens. Things such as the 22 impacts on jobs, taxes, infrastructures, things of 23 that sort. Anything along those lines, those are 24 important things that can be feeding in to help 25
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1 And then
- last, but not
- least, the 2
reasonable alternatives. What types of alternatives 3
do you think should be addressed in the EIS? And I 4
will give you a good example of this.
5 I was the environmental project manager 6
for another license renewal project. I went to a 7
public scoping meeting. One of the gentlemen stood 8
up and went over a very lengthy detailed discussion.
9 And quite a bit of that had to do with 10 wind energy. He felt wind energy was a very important 11 alternative, and it needed to be given a lot of 12 consideration in the EIS.
13 We took his comment, we reviewed it, we 14 addressed it, we considered it. And, sure enough, if 15 we didn't develop an entire alternative right around 16 that wind energy alternative.
17 So I put that out just to show you that 18 whatever input or comments you are giving us we are 19 taking seriously, and that will help shape the final 20 EIS.
21 How can you provide input and comments?
22 In addition to the public scoping comments that we are 23 receiving here at the scoping meeting today, you can 24 provide comments by mail to the address up there, and 25
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1 You can also provide comments by email, 2
and there are the two email addresses that you can 3
provide comments to. And, third of all, if you have a 4
lot of energy, you can go down to the NRC headquarters 5
and hand deliver them to the NRC headquarters.
6 So there are three very specific ways of 7
getting us the comments that you think are important.
8 This leads us to some important milestones. And, 9
again, this is in you packet. Some of the critical 10 milestones, but pay attention to the ones in yellow, 11 which are coming up.
12 The opportunity for a hearing ends on 13 December 22nd of this year. And, again, as I said 14 before, the scoping comments are due by December 22nd, 15 so keep that in mind.
16 Now, if you would like to contact either 17 Donnie or myself, our contact information is here, we 18 will be glad to talk to anybody that wants to contact 19 us, and get back to you with any concerns, or any 20 questions that you might
- have, there is our 21 information to contact us.
22 Documents, there are a number of documents 23 that are important. For example, the Applicant's 24 Environmental Report is on file. You can find it at 25
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1 Hard copies are also on file at the Salem 2
Free Library, if you choose to look at a hard copy.
3 So there are documents there you can get, if you want 4
additional information on what is going on.
5 And let me bring you back to this one more 6
time, because that is the purpose of why we are here 7
today. What is unique about your community that you 8
want to see included in the EIS; what are the 9
significant impacts, or issues, positive or negative, 10 beneficial or adverse, that you want to see evaluated?
11 What are the socio-economic concerns that 12 you might
- have, again, positive or
- negative, 13 beneficial or adverse. And then, again, what are the 14 reasonable alternatives that you think are important, 15 that you think should be evaluated in the EIS.
16 So I just brought that back here, again, 17 because that is what we are doing here today, is 18 trying to get this type of information.
19 And, finally, I leave it with this slide 20 here. Again, these are the three different ways that 21 you can contact us and provide comments, and input to 22 the NRC regarding the scope of this EIS.
23 With that I will turn it over to Lance.
24 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN:
- Thanks, guys.
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give us their comments, I just wanted to pause, 2
briefly, to see if anyone had any clarifying comments 3
on the material that Donnie and Charles went over.
4 We don't want to make this kind of like an 5
open dialogue about various issues, again, because we 6
want to focus the meeting on listening to your 7
comments, and give you a chance to comment.
8 But just in case there was any material 9
that was covered, in that presentation, that there 10 might be a little confusion about, just raise your 11 hand, and I can bring you a microphone and, hopefully, 12 we can provide you with some clarity on that.
13 Any questions, right now?
14 (No response.)
15 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: If you do have a 16 question about anything that was covered in the 17 presentation, or anything else that falls under the 18 NRC's regulatory purview, grab one of us that has one 19 of these name tags on.
20 If we are not the person who can answer 21 the question, hopefully, we can find someone who can 22 speak to it for you. Or we can get you the 23 information back at a later date. So just keep in 24 mind that after the meeting is over we will be kind of 25
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1 So if you have any questions about 2
anything, let us know. We are trying to make this 3
meeting, again, as productive for you as possible. So 4
when you came in, a number of you filled out yellow 5
cards to let us know that you wanted to give comments 6
to.
7 What I would like to do now is to start 8
calling people up to take the podium, and give us your 9
comments on environmental scoping. Given the amount 10 of cards that I have, and the amount of time that we 11 have, I'm going to ask that you stick to about ten 12 minutes, or under, with your comments if that is 13 possible.
14 Depending on how things go we might allow 15 for a little bit more than that. But I would like to 16 give everybody who has expressed interest in speaking 17 a chance to get up here.
18 So holding it to about ten minutes, or 19 less, I think will help make sure that can happen.
20 Again, when you come up here, if you can identify 21 yourself, and any group you are with, that will make 22 sure that we understand who made a particular comment 23 on the transcript.
24 And I will try to give you a heads up as 25
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three-deep, if you will, before I bring you up.
2 And if you do decide that you want to make 3
a comment, and you didn't fill out a yellow form, 4
Butch has some blank ones, so he would be happy to 5
bring one over to you.
6 And, again, we ask that you fill it out 7
just, you know, for our sake, so we can have a good 8
record as to who spoke and to make sure, again, that 9
we get your name correctly on the transcript.
10 So I will go, again, calling three people 11 up, just to give you an idea. First I'd like to offer 12 the microphone to Lee Ware, a Freedholder Director of 13 County of Salem.
14 After Mr. Ware I'd like to go to Greg 15 Gross, from Delaware State Chamber of Commerce. And, 16 third, to Brian Duffey, Salem County Chamber of 17 Commerce. So, Mr. Ware, if you would like to come to 18 the microphone?
19 MR. WARE: Thank you, Lance. My name is 20 Lee Ware, Director of Salem County Freeholders Board, 21 starting my tenth year as a Freeholder. I'm a little 22 down today because my beloved Phillies went down.
23 And I guess it is only appropriate, since 24 I was a baseball coach, for 38 years, I will be the 25
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1 I'm coming before you, today, to let you 2
know that PSEG Nuclear is a valuable asset to our 3
county. Not only are they great community partners, 4
but they are the county's largest employer.
5 They have been good neighbors, and good 6
partners. A majority of their employees are local 7
residents, who live in our community. PSEG takes a 8
very proactive role in developing positive 9
relationships with members of Salem County community.
10 Whether it is providing funding and 11 support to local community groups, or attending every 12 community event. A lot of members here can attest to 13 that. We see each other quite a bit.
14 They are always demonstrating their 15 commitment to Salem County's proud heritage and bright 16 future. We understand the hesitation of those within 17 and surrounding our county, towards PSEG Nuclear.
18 Their concerns regarding safety, and plant 19 performance, are valid. However, PSEG Nuclear has 20 consistently demonstrated its commitment to safety, 21 and excellence, through proper planning and 22 transparency.
23 As life-long residents of Salem County, 24 six miles as the crow flies from the reactors, I feel 25
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here, and they still reside here.
2 We have seen no negative impact to our 3
environment, or community. I support PSEG Nuclear and 4
license renewal for the Salem and Hope Creek stations.
5 Their continued success is our success. Thank you.
6 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you. Just to 7
let you know, if you do have a written statement, that 8
you have brought with you today or if, in fact, you 9
write one down while you are here today, if you will 10 hand that to me, we will have that included as part of 11 the transcript.
12 So that can be something that you come up 13 and read and, also, you submit. Or it can be an 14 individual statement as well. Again, we can take 15 those and have those incorporated into the transcript 16 for today's meeting.
17 So I just wanted to remind you that that 18 is possible. Let's go with Greg Gross, from the 19 Delaware State Chamber of Commerce, then to Brian 20 Duffey, Salem County Chamber of Commerce, and third, 21 Fred Stein, Delaware Riverkeeper.
22 MR. GROSS: Good afternoon. I'm Greg 23 Gross, I'm director of government affairs with the 24 Delaware State Chamber of Commerce, and we represent 25
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communities in the Delaware, throughout Delaware.
2 And when I was invited, and I want to 3
thank you for the opportunity to come here and speak 4
in support of one of our most valued partners. And, 5
quite frankly, when I was invited to come speak in 6
support, I knew about it, I wasn't totally educated 7
about it, but I took a few minutes yesterday, and 8
educated myself about what it means to the Delaware 9
community.
10 I didn't realize that we have about in 11 excess of three hundred employees, from Delaware, that 12 come across that bridge each day. But it is not just 13 about the 300 folks that come across that bridge, it 14 is also about the families they support.
15 About the economic structure in our 16 community that it supports. And also, too, I took a 17 few minutes to query a few of our elected officials 18 that are very
- involved, and plugged into the 19 environmental community and said, you know what, Greg?
20 We don't worry about them, we don't worry, because 21 they are safe, because they have gone that extra mile 22 to be safe.
23 If there is something there that they know 24 may be troublesome, they address it before it happens.
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1 There always will be, I'm
- sure, 2
apprehensions to what goes on, and there always will 3
be fear, I'm sure. But as each year goes by I'm sure 4
that that fear will slowly dissipate as things often 5
do, with such things of this nature.
6 But we are happy that we do have such a 7
strong partner involved in every facet of our 8
community in Delaware. As I said, I didn't realize 9
how much, until I went back and I looked over some 10 things.
11 And I was saying, wow, I mean it is just 12 incredible what a strong partner. And when you are 13 going down the years of 2016, I think the other one 14 was 2026, I don't know if I will be around in 2026.
15 I'm hoping I will be around in 2026. But 16 I hope that I am, and I hope I am back even more 17 educated, and being able to speak more passionately 18 about what I believe is the great work that is done.
19 And, most importantly, the safety and just 20 preparing for what we are going to be facing in the 21 years, as far as what we are going to need for our 22 energy, and our needs. It doesn't get any easier.
23 And, Lord knows, the need doesn't get any 24 smaller, it gets even larger. So with that said, you 25
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can, whether we -- whether in a letter, from our 2
President, or any folks that are needed, within our 3
community there, please don't hesitate to let us know.
4 Thank you, again, for allowing me to take 5
a few minutes of your time to be here with you today, 6
and I look forward to hearing additional comments, 7
thank you.
8 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Let's go to Brian 9
Duffey, then to Fred Stein and, third, to Charles 10 Hassler, IBEW Local Union 94.
11 MR. DUFFEY: Good afternoon. I'm the 12 current vice-chair, and the 2010 incoming chair of the 13 Salem County Chamber of Commerce.
14 Approximately 400 businesses and community 15 organizations are members of the Salem County Chamber 16 of Commerce, and this includes PSEG Nuclear, who is a 17 long-time member.
18 On behalf of the Chamber, I would like the 19 NRC to know that PSEG Nuclear plays a leading role in 20 our community. They have supported the Chamber's 21 efforts to build relationships, within the community, 22 and to make Salem County a premier place to live, 23 work, and conduct business.
24 They purchase goods and services from 25
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with our support they are helping to drive the local 2
economy.
3 Earlier this year PSEG Nuclear, hosted the 4
Chamber Board of Directors for a tour of the Salem and 5
Hope Creek facilities. It became very clear, to the 6
Board of Directors that PSEG operates in a culture of 7
safety and security.
8 That visit also reinforced the Board's 9
belief that PSEG Nuclear operations provide a safe and 10 clean source of energy. We also believe that nuclear 11 power can help to combat climate change, and that 12 PSEG's operations will continue to play a positive 13 role in Salem County's future.
14 Without these plants hundreds of people 15 would be left without jobs, dozens of local businesses 16 would struggle, and our local economy would suffer a 17 great loss.
18 The Salem County Chamber of Commerce 19 supports PSEG Nuclear, and its plans for license 20 renewal, for an additional 20 years of operation for 21 Salem and Hope Creek. Thank you for your time.
22 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Let's go to Fred 23 Stein, then Charles Hassler and, third, to Carl 24 Fricker, PSEG Nuclear.
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is Fred Stein, I work with the Delaware Riverkeeper 2
Network, it is a non-profit environmental advocacy 3
organization.
4 I would like to thank the NRC for the 5
opportunity to speak to the license renewal 6
application submitted by PSEG and Exelon. We 7
understand the purpose of today's meeting, of the dual 8
meetings, today, is to discuss the process around the 9
license renewal and the requisite EIS scoping.
10 And I will speak directly to that. But, 11 first, the Delaware Riverkeeper Network wants to 12 reaffirm our long-standing position, and call to 13 convert the Salem generating station to a closed cycle 14 cooling system, as mandated by the Section 316(b) of 15 the Clean Water Act.
16 The Act states that generating plants, 17 such as Salem, shall be required that the location, 18 design, construction, and capacity of cooling water 19 intake structures reflect the best technology 20 available for minimizing the adverse environmental 21 impacts.
22 The application before the NRC does not 23 call for the compliance of the Clean Water Act, as it 24 relates to the best technology available. And it 25
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1 According to our study, conducted by New 2
Jersey DEP hired expert in
- 1989, as well as 3
experiences at other facilities, installations of a 4
closed cycle cooling towers, at Salem, would reduce 5
the fish kills from the Delaware river by 95 percent.
6 And dry cooling systems, at Salem, would 7
reduce it even further, to 99 percent. Speaking now, 8
directly to the Environmental Impact Study, the 9
Delaware Riverkeeper Network calls on NRC, and other 10 reviewing agencies, to hold the Applicant to the 11 highest scientific and regulatory standards as they 12 prepare the EIS.
13 Previous permits issued to PSEG were based 14 on data that were found to be faulty, misleading, 15 biased, and incomplete. In 1999, for instance, when 16 the data and arguments to support its case, that it 17 should be allowed to continue to kill the Delaware 18 River fish unimpeded.
19 Every year the Salem Nuclear Power Plant 20 kills over three billion fish in the Delaware River.
21 That includes over 59 million blue-backed herring, 77 22 million weak fish, over 134 million arctic croakers, 23 over 412 million white perch, over 448 million striped 24 bass, and over 2 billion bay anchovies.
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assertions were not credible, and were not backed by 2
the data and studies PSEG had presented. In fact, 3
according to an ESSA Consultant hired by New Jersey 4
DEP, PSEG had greatly underestimated its impact on the 5
Delaware river fish resources.
6 According to ESSA, PSEG underestimated 7
biomass loss from the ecosystem by, perhaps, as many 8
as two-fold. And the actual total biomass of fish 9
loss to the ecosystem is at least 2.2 times greater 10 than was listed by PSE&G.
11 ESSA technologies' 154 page review of 12 PSE&G's permit application, documented ongoing 13 problems with PSE&G's assertions and
- findings, 14 including biased, misleading conclusions, data gaps, 15 inaccuracies and misrepresentation of their findings 16 and damage.
17 Some of the examples of the EESA findings 18 were with regards to the fisheries data and population 19 trends, ESSA said the conclusions of the analysis 20 generally overextended the data or results.
21 PSE&G underestimated biomass loss from the 22 ecosystem by,
- perhaps, as many as two-fold.
23 Inconsistency in the use of terminology, poorly 24 defined terms and tendency to draw conclusions that 25
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from the rigor of this section and raises skepticism 2
about the results.
3 In particular there is a tendency to draw 4
subjective and unsupported conclusions about the 5
importance of Salem's impact on the fish species in 6
the river.
7
- And, finally, referring to PSE&G's 8
discussions, and presentations of entrainment, 9
mortality rates, ESSA found PSE&G's discussion in this 10 section of the application, to be misleading.
11 The ESSA report contained no less than 51 12 recommendations for actions which PSE&G needed to 13 take, on its 2001 permit application before DEP. But 14 that didn't happen, none of those happened.
15 It is our understanding that while DEP 16 pursued some of these, many of them were never 17 addressed, and still others were turned into permanent 18 requirements to deal with over the next permit cycle.
19 In addition to ESSA recommendations, New 20 Jersey DEP received comment from the State of 21 Delaware, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services, 22 both of whom conducted independent expert review of 23 the permit application materials.
24 And found important problems with 25
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are urging you today, NRC, while we are urging you 2
today to hold PSE&G as they go through this EIS 3
process, to the highest standards, I want to reinforce 4
our belief that I started my comment with, that -- I'm 5
sorry, I jumped ahead.
6 I conclude by restating the fact that 7
because Salem is clearly having an adverse 8
environmental impact on the living resources of the 9
Delaware river, and estuary, regarding PSE&G, we 10 encourage you to hold them to the highest standards 11 possible. I'm sorry, I lost my place here.
12 We feel that it is important that, through 13 the EIS process, that the data that PSE&G and its 14 consultants bring to you, is complete, and unbiased, 15 and that it is thoroughly looked at by the NRC, and it 16 will be by the general public, too.
17 In a
Philadelphia Enquirer editorial 18 today, there was an article about nuclear energy, 19 talking about that the NRC believes that it is the 20 most regulated industry, and the most regulated 21 government agency. And it should be.
22 And we hope that those regulations are 23 there to protect the natural resources of the river 24 and that we, again, hold PSE&G as they go through this 25
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very much.
2 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
3 Let's go to Charles Hassler, then Carl Friker, and 4
third to Dr. Peter Conti, from Salem County College.
5 MR. HASSLER: Good afternoon. My name is 6
Charlie Hassler, and I came here to speak in support 7
of the PSE&G licensing for the Salem and Hope Creek 8
units.
9 I'm a lifelong-resident of Salem City, and 10 I work down at the Salem Hope Creek nuclear facility 11 for the past approximately 34 years. I'm currently a 12 business agent for the International Brotherhood of 13 Electrical Workers, Local Union 94, which represents 14 the organized labor who are employed permanently at 15 the facility.
16 Additionally I'm a member of the New 17 Jersey IBEW, the umbrella organization, with about 18 35,000 members. New Jersey IBEW is also on record as 19 supporting the relicensing efforts of the Salem and 20 Hope Creek stations.
21 Our support is based upon understanding of 22 how the NRC proceeds with the relicensing effort. It 23 is an informed rational support, and comes only with 24 our belief that the safety of our members, and the 25
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operation of these plants.
2 The three units have been operating at 3
capacity of about 90 to 95 percent in the past several 4
years. Prior to the outages now in progress at Salem 5
unit 2, that unit ran for 515 consecutive days at a 6
capacity factor of one hundred percent.
7 This type of performance can only be 8
achieved through diligent processes, procedural 9
adherence, while maintaining and operating the plants.
10 The personal standards of all workers are 11 very high. What other industry has improved the 12 standards and operating capacities the way it has been 13 done in nuclear? This is truly the most watched, from 14 the outside, and scrutinized from within.
15 The Institute of Nuclear Power Operators, 16 The Nuclear Management and Resource Council, and the 17 NRC itself, does more internal evaluations than to 18 groups in any other industry.
19 This is an industry that if you are not 20 bumping the top quartile in performance, you had 21 better have a better plan, or you are in trouble. The 22 output of the three stations supplies New Jersey with 23 about 52 percent of its electric needs.
24 Producing this electricity is done without 25
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critical component to this discussion, given the 2
global warming situation.
3 Without these plants, the reliability of 4
the electric delivery to meet demand would be put at 5
risk. Next, American's reliance on foreign energy 6
imports continues to stress our economy, costing 7
Americans jobs, and putting the middle class, itself, 8
at risk.
9 A sound energy policy is our nation's best 10 interest, and nuclear energy must play an important 11 role in that policy. Finally, we must all recognize, 12 that license renewal does not come open-ended, without 13 ongoing monitoring.
14 Safety and performance standards, just as 15 they are today, will continue for the entirety of the 16 time the plant operates. If the plant falls below the 17 acceptable standards, myself and the members of my 18 union, will be the first to speak out.
19 If a major issue, safety-wise arises in 20 the future, you can all rest assured that the NRC has 21 the ultimate power to come in, take away the keys, 22 shut the doors, and close the plant down.
23 Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
24 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Carl Fricker from 25
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Bailey, JR., from Ranch Hope.
2 MR. FRICKER: Good afternoon, and thank 3
you for giving me the opportunity to make a comment 4
regarding the license renewal application of Salem and 5
Hope Creek.
6 My name is Carl Fricker, and I'm the vice 7
president of operations and support for PSE&G Nuclear, 8
and I am part of the leadership team that is 9
responsible for the safe and reliable operation of our 10 plants.
11 I have over 25 years of both military and 12 commercial nuclear power plant experience. And I have 13 worked at PSE&G Nuclear for the past 14 years. I have 14 had positions in operations, maintenance, quality 15 assessment, and for the last four years, prior to my 16 current job, I was the plant manager at Salem.
17 At PSE&G we understand our obligation to 18 the local community, to the environment, to our 19 friends, families, and coworkers, to provide safe, 20 reliable, economic, and green energy.
21 In New Jersey over 50 percent of the 22 state's electricity comes from nuclear power. In fact 23 PSE&G Salem and Hope Creek Nuclear Plants, is the 24 second largest nuclear facility in the country.
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electricity to supply three million homes. In 2
addition we are able to meet the region's energy needs 3
without emitting any green house gases.
4 Today nuclear power produces over 70 5
percent of our nation's carbon-free electricity. We 6
take great pride in that and recognize our important 7
role in fighting climate change now and in the future.
8 As you hear earlier, our current operating 9
licenses expire in 2016 for Salem unit 1, 2020 for 10 Salem unit 2, and 2026 for Hope Creek. In 2006 we 11 made the decision to pursue license renewal.
12 We formed a dedicated team that worked for 13 over two and a half years, or about 122,000 person 14 hours1.62037e-4 days <br />0.00389 hours <br />2.314815e-5 weeks <br />5.327e-6 months <br />, to prepare our application. That was about 15 4,000 pages of application.
16 This review involved a review of thousands 17 of documents, a detailed review of our equipment, and 18 component performance, and a rigorous review of the 19 existing maintenance and engineering programs, to 20 ensure that Salem and Hope Creek will safely operate 21 for an additional 20 years.
22 Over the past 10 years we have invested 23 over 1.2 billion dollars in our plants, including last 24 year's steam generator replacements at Salem unit 2, 25
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extended power uprate.
2 As part of license renewal we also 3
reviewed any environmental impacts that, by continuing 4
to operate, the Salem and Hope Creek nuclear plants 5
for 20 years, would cause.
6 We consider ourselves environmental 7
stewards, and since this is an environmental scoping 8
meeting, I want to touch on this subject.
9 In addition to producing no green house 10 gases, PSE&G has no adverse radiological impacts on 11 our environment. The NRC requires PSE&G Nuclear, and 12 all U.S. nuclear plants, to maintain an environmental 13 monitoring program, to monitor local radiation levels.
14 Annually we perform over 1,200 analysis on 15 over 850 environmental samples, including air, water, 16 soil, and food products like milk, and farm crops.
17 All analyses samples are cross-checked with other 18 laboratories to ensure precision and accuracy.
19 We are also closely monitored by the New 20 Jersey Department of Environmental Protection's Bureau 21 of Nuclear Engineering. The Bureau of Nuclear 22 Engineering independently monitors the local 23 environmental around PSE&G Nuclear, through a remote 24 monitoring system that provides real time readings.
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there is no adverse impact to the environment. We are 2
also proud stewards of the Delaware river and estuary, 3
through our estuary enhancement program.
4 This program involves ongoing restoration, 5
enhancement, and preservation of more than 20,000 6
acres of degraded salt marsh, and adjacent uplands 7
within the estuary.
8 The estuary enhancement program is the 9
largest privately funded wetlands restoration project 10 in the country. More importantly, it was created with 11 extensive public participation, and open communication 12 with regulatory agencies and the public.
13 As a result all the estuary enhancement 14 program sites are open to the public, and offer 15 boardwalks, nature trails, outdoor education, and 16 classroom facilities.
17 Studies show that the overall health of 18 the estuary continues to improve. In addition, 19 analysis of long-term fish populations in the estuary 20 show that, in most cases, the populations are stable 21 or increasing.
22 And that fish population trends are 23 similar through the other areas along the coast. We 24 also recognize our important role and impact to the 25
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1 PSE&G Nuclear is Salem County's largest 2
employer with over 1,500 employees. Some members of 3
our workforce, as with all companies, are preparing to 4
retire in the next few years.
5 As such we have looked to partner with 6
local communities, with our local community, to meet 7
our needs to providing good paying local jobs. We 8
have launched innovative partnerships with the Salem 9
County Community College, and the Salem County 10 Vocational Technical schools, to develop specialized 11 training programs.
12 Both have been overwhelmingly successful, 13 and will lead to a skilled workforce that will only 14 strengthen the local economy. In Salem County we 15 provide more than 1.4 million dollars, each year, to 16 the local economy through local property taxes.
17 This funding is vital to supporting local 18 schools and projects. From an economic development 19 point of view, we have also helped to drive the local 20 economic development through projects like 21 revitalization of downtown Salem, and the construction 22 of the Gateway Business Park in Oldmans Township.
23 We are also active partners in the Salem 24 Main Street Program, and the Salem County Chamber of 25
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1 Many of our employees are active participants and 2
supporters within the local community.
3 In addition to being a good neighbor, 4
being transparent is an important aspect of building 5
trust. We are fortunate to have an excellent 6
relationship with our local stakeholders, and that is 7
not something we take for granted.
8 With them there is no surprises. We are 9
proactive and engage them when challenges arise, so 10 that they have an understanding of the challenges and 11 have their questions answered.
12 This year we have provided more than 30 13 site tours for key stakeholder groups, close to 500 14 elected officials, educators, students, community and 15 trade groups, have been given an inside look at PSE&G 16 Nuclear.
17 What better way to answer their questions 18 than to let people see, first-hand, the important role 19 of nuclear power. By the end of this year we will 20 also open the doors to our new energy and 21 environmental resource center, that is housed at our 22 old training center, on Chestnut Street in Salem.
23 This new information center will be used 24 as an interactive display to educate the public about 25
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positive impact on our environment.
2 The center will be open to groups for 3
- tours, and provide meeting spaces for local 4
organizations. In closing, PSE&G Nuclear looks 5
forward to working with the NRC, and the public, as 6
you review our license renewal application.
7 We have worked hard to provide safe, 8
reliable, economic, and green energy for the past 30 9
years, and look forward to the opportunity to build on 10 this success in the future. Thank you.
11 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: I would like to go 12 now to Dr. Peter Contini, from Salem Community 13 College, then David Bailey, Jr., and third to Kelly 14 Wichman, PSE&G Nuclear.
15 DR. CONTINI: Good afternoon, thank you.
16 I am Dr. Peter Contini, president of Salem Community 17 College, a position that I have held for the past 12 18 years.
19 And in that capacity I'm here to 20 acknowledge the support of the college for the license 21 renewal of PSE&G for Salem 1 and 2, as well as Hope 22 Creek.
23 We base that on our knowledge and 24 experience. And you have already heard that PSE&G 25
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leader in our county.
2 Certainly through their community 3
leadership, both participating on
- groups, and 4
supporting groups, they have directly affected the 5
quality of life in our county.
6 Additionally we have seen, first-hand, the 7
highly professional organization that they
- are, 8
focused on safety, and security. And, certainly, 9
generating a most valuable renewable energy source, 10 one that we think directly addresses New Jersey's 11 energy plan 2020, as well as the potential growth in 12 this county, and throughout the state.
13 We view them as, certainly, an economic 14 development and workforce driver. And we know, first-15 hand, how that happens. You just heard Carl speak 16 about a wonderful opportunity that came about as a 17 result of that level of partnership.
18 We received, this past February, a 1.7 19 million dollar three year grant from the U.S.
20 Department of Labor, Community Based Job Training. It 21 has two focuses. One, nuclear energy and, two, 22 sustainable energy.
23 And the partners in that grant are PSE&G 24 Nuclear as well as Energy Freedom Pioneers, working 25
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Hope, Calgary Redevelopment, the New Jersey Department 2
of Labor as well as Workforce development and, 3
certainly, our one stop center.
4 Their support is not just verbal. Their 5
support is certainly implementing. And as you know, 6
and you heard Carl say, there is going to be a growing 7
need for employees, as certainly portions of the 8
workforce ages out, and we hope, also, the expansion 9
of opportunity in the future.
10 As a result we work collaboratively with 11 PSE&G Nuclear, in focusing on a particular area that 12 we think is of great need, an energy, nuclear energy 13 technician position.
14 We were able to couple with them, and 15 partner at the national level with the Nuclear Energy 16 Institute. And we were selected as one of six 17 community colleges, across the country, that are 18 working on standardizing the curriculum to ensure that 19 educational experience that our students have, will 20 not only prepare them, but certainly ensure safety and 21 security in the future in this field.
22 And you also heard about the center that 23 has been revitalized in Salem City. Well, I'm proud 24 to tell you that a portion of that center will be 25
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1 And through a high tech classroom, as well 2
as laboratory facilities, our students will be working 3
with state of the art equipment.
- And, most 4
importantly, be supportive both in scholarships, as 5
well as internships.
6 So we see this as a real win-win.
7 Thinking about this, that we have only, in less than 8
one year, been able to implement this program, we now 9
have a fully accredited nuclear energy technician 10 program, technology program, what we refer to as NET, 11 we now have over 50 students in that program.
12 The corresponding program, Sustainable 13 Energy, is also working at about 20 students. We see 14 that balance, and PSE&G Nuclear sees that balance, 15 also. And they have been very collaborative in 16 working with Energy Freedom Pioneers, as we look for 17 other alternatives to energy in addition to nuclear.
18 These are important things, they are 19 important things for our community and, certainly, for 20 our students. But they also go beyond. Two years ago 21 we had an emergency in our Salem center, hosting our 22 one-stop career center. A fire, a fire that 23 immediately caused the dislocation of over 30 workers, 24 and 200 clients a day.
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PSE&G Nuclear to relocate that entire program to the 2
former training center. And within two days we were 3
fully operational for the next four months.
4 It is an organization that understands 5
their role in the community, certainly puts safety and 6
security as a top priority. But, more importantly, 7
understand the value to our community.
8 And, for that reason, we fully support 9
their relicensing. Thank you.
10 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Let's go to David 11 Bailey, Jr., from Ranch Hope; Kelly Wichman from PSE&G 12 Nuclear and third to Jane, I believe, it is Nagaki, 13 from the New Jersey Environmental Federation.
14 MR. BAILEY: Good afternoon, my name is 15 David L. Bailey, Jr. I am the chief executive officer 16 of Ranch Hope, Incorporated. And, personally, I'm a 17 lifelong resident, growing up within minutes of the 18 Salem and Hope Creek in Alloway township, and now 19 raising my family here, as well.
20 Ranch Hope, Inc., is a 501C(3) non-profit 21 organization, founded in 1964. Again, our Alloway 22 headquarters are within minutes of the Salem and Hope 23 Creek facilities.
Our mission is to provide 24 behavioral health care, educational, and adventure-25
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throughout the state of New Jersey, and within the 2
Delaware Valley.
3 Through its generosity and support of 4
local organizations, such as Ranch Hope, PSE&G Nuclear 5
has touched the lives of thousands of residents, 6
making our community a better place to live.
7 At Ranch Hope's Alloway campus PSE&G 8
Nuclear supports our efforts to create a green 9
community for children with treatment and educational 10 facilities, not only environmental responsible, but 11 energy efficient, and healthy for children and staff 12 to live and work.
13 This unique collaboration with PSEG 14 Nuclear not only focuses on changing the lives of 15 children and families, but also energy efficiency, two 16 topics you don't normally see together.
17 Just as importantly, PSEG Nuclear 18 demonstrates a level of transparency within our 19 community here in Salem County. Nuclear power 20 represents a mystique that many of us will never fully 21 understand.
22 However, PSEG Nuclear has taken the time 23 to keep the local community informed. Groups of key 24 stakeholders, which I was humbled to be one myself, 25
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community leaders, recently toured the Salem and Hope 2
Creek facilities, and we learned, first-hand, the 3
importance of nuclear power.
4 As someone who was fortunate enough to 5
visit these two generating stations, I feel even more 6
comfortable, having seen the safety and security 7
measures they take to provide us with clean, reliable 8
energy, on an every day basis.
9 This being the case, Ranch Hope, and the 10 families and the communities that we support, fully 11 support the license renewal applications for PSEG 12 Salem and Hope Creek nuclear facilities. Thank you.
13 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: If we could have 14 Kelly Wichman, from PSEG Nuclear, Jane Nagaki, and 15 then Roland Wall, Academy of Natural Science.
16 MS. WICHMAN: Hi, my name is Kelly 17 Wichman, and I'm an employee of PSEG Nuclear in the 18 nuclear fuels department. I'm a safety analysis 19 engineer, and this is my first full-time job.
20 Both my husband and I moved to Woodstown, 21 New Jersey, just down the road, from the midwest a 22 year and a half ago, to take positions at the Salem 23 and Hope Creek site, and we bought a house here, with 24 the intentions of staying for some time.
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Salem and Hope Creek should be granted operating 2
license extensions. I chose a position in the nuclear 3
industry because I think it has staying power.
4 I majored in engineering in college, with 5
the intention of coming into this industry. And, as I 6
progressed in my education, I found more and more 7
reasons why nuclear power is really a great option for 8
electricity production.
9 From an engineer's standpoint, nuclear 10 fuel is one of the most efficient fuels producing 11 thousands of times more energy than a chemical 12 reaction with the same amount of material. Say, for 13 example, coal, oil or gas.
14 In addition, the land footprint is small, 15 compared to other generating options which, to me, 16 makes nuclear power an obvious choice in a world where 17 finite resources are available.
18 My position at PSEG Nuclear has provided 19 me an opportunity to explore new parts of the country, 20 and I have taken advantage of living within a few 21 hours2.430556e-4 days <br />0.00583 hours <br />3.472222e-5 weeks <br />7.9905e-6 months <br /> of so many cities.
22 I have also taken advantage of all the 23 career-related opportunities offered by my job. I 24 have joined two professional organizations, the North 25
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Nuclear Society.
2 With Young Generation in Nuclear, I formed 3
relationships with more of my coworkers, attended 4
professional development conferences, participated in 5
charity drives, and taught kids in the area about 6
power generation at the Salem Votech.
7 With those organizations I have seen the 8
positive influence that the plants have on the area, 9
and on the people. I work there because I feel that 10 the opportunities are great, and I feel that I'm doing 11 something meaningful, by helping produce electricity 12 that everyone uses.
13 I believe the plant's continued operating 14 presence in the area will only be of benefit to the 15 community. Thanks.
16 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Let's go to Jane 17 Nagaki, from the New Jersey Environmental Federation, 18 and then to Roland Wall, Academy of Natural Science.
19 And I apologize if I'm slaughtering your name.
20 MS. NAGAKI: So my name is Jane Nagaki, 21 and I'm vice-chair of the New Jersey Environmental 22 Federation, which is the state's largest non-profit 23 environmental organization.
24 And we raise several environmental issues 25
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support the comments of Fred
- Stein, from the 2
Riverkeeper.
3 And I won't repeat everything that he 4
said, but the Environmental Federation is, also, very 5
firmly committed to the idea that if the relicensing 6
goes forward, on Salem 1 and 2, that best available 7
technology should be applied at those plants, which 8
would be cooling towers to offset the millions of 9
gallons of water that cycle through that plant every 10 day.
11 There has been a lot of talk, today, about 12 how nuclear energy produces no air emissions. And, 13 generally, when we think about environmental impacts 14 we are thinking air, releases to the air, releases to 15 the water, releases to the land.
16 And while it is true that there may be no 17 air emissions, from the plant, there certainly is a 18 consumptive use of millions of gallons of water a day, 19 run through the cooling cycle, and then discharged 20 back into the Delaware Bay, with a concurrent loss, as 21 Fred mentioned of billions of fish per year, in all 22 stages of life, from larval stage, to small stage, to 23 large scale fish that are impinged on the once-through 24 cooling system.
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witnessed the huge structure that takes through 2
millions of gallons of water a day.
3 So if there is one environmental issue 4
that I would like to highlight today, is the impact of 5
the Salem Nuclear Plant on water in the Delaware Bay, 6
and the concurrent fish and wildlife that that water, 7
the Delaware Bay supports.
8 We talked about nuclear energy as being a 9
major employer in this area, and I'm certainly 10 respectful of the workers that work there, that keep 11 the plant safe every day, and the niche in the 12 economy that it provides.
13 But there is, also, a huge other economy 14 in the Delaware Bay that is the fishing industry, that 15 is severely affected by the operation of this plant.
16 And so if I were to say the huge, the most 17 huge environmental impact of this plant, is the impact 18 of water, in that once through cooling system. That 19 needs to be addressed in the Environmental Impact 20 Statement.
21 As far as, you know, there is no radiation 22 produced at this plant, there is some radiation 23 produced at this plant. It meets limits, so called 24 acceptable limits.
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1 And so another environmental
- issue, that the 2
Environmental Impact Statement should address, is how 3
much more waste is going to be generated and stored at 4
the plant, at those enclosures that currently keep all 5
the waste, ever produced at that plant, on the site 6
forever.
7 So waste production concurrent with the 8
relicensing is another very major environmental issue.
9 What is unique about our community? What is unique 10 about artificial island, is that it is an island that 11 was constructed of dredge spoil material.
12 It is not an island that existed before 13 the geology of the time. So one of the concerns, 14 environmental concerns would be how stable is the 15 structure of the island to support this plant for 16 another 20 years. Or three plants, actually.
17 I think that issue will be addressed, more 18 specifically, tonight by another environmental group.
19 What is the effect of sea level rise? We talked 20 about global warming and how nuclear power doesn't 21 produce the kinds of emissions that contribute to 22 global warming.
23 But there is global warming going on, and 24 there is sea level rise. What is the effect of sea 25
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know, is the island going to be inundated with water, 2
how much over the next few years?
3 Does more infrastructure need to be built 4
there to support the plant? We know that salt water, 5
and the effects of the salinity of the bay have 6
contributed to the rusting out of parts of the plant.
7 We know that there has been extensive 8
replacement of structures, and underground piping at 9
the plant. And that is both, you know, that is an 10 environmental impact, the salinity of the area, on the 11 integrity of the structure of the plant.
12 And that is an environmental issue that 13 needs to be integrated into the safety and the aging 14 issues of the plant.
15 Let's see. So going back to another 16 impact, and the result of the Salem 1 and 2 plants, 17 not having cooling towers is that PSEG Nuclear entered 18 into a very large estuary enhancement program, which 19 was referred to earlier, preserving 20,000 acres of 20 wetlands.
21 And I would be remiss if I didn't mention 22 a concern that environmental groups raised at the 23 beginning of the restoration project, because many of 24 the acres of wetlands were restored simply by 25
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inundation of phragmites by salt water.
2 And thus controlling the phragmites, and 3
growing a more beneficial kind of vegetation, called 4
Spartana.
But there are acres and acres of 5
phragmites, you know what they are, the tall waiving 6
foxtails, as they are often called, which were 7
considered nuisance vegetation, or not favorable 8
vegetation in the wetland restoration.
9 And so in order to control that 10 phragmites, massive aerial herbicide event took place 11 starting in 1995 and '96, over 2000 acres were really 12 sprayed with a pesticide called Glyphesate. And it 13 was thought that one, maybe two applications of that 14 herbicide would take care of the problem.
15 But, to this day, in the year 2009, and 16 continuing on until at least 2013, annual applications 17 by herbicide by aircraft are made to wetlands, as part 18 of this project.
19 The acreage is down now, to around 120 20 acre realm. But it has been as high as thousands of 21 pounds of a year. And so one of the environmental 22 issue raised by this is, is there going to be 23 continued applications of an herbicide, in wetland 24 areas, as part of this restoration project, which was 25
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2 The reason we are concerned about this 3
application of herbicides is that it actually 4
triggered an increase in the use of this herbicide, 5
state-wide.
6 PSEG kind of became the model for how to 7
restore wetlands.
And so many other wetland 8
restoration projects began utilizing this methodology.
9 And the result has been a nine-fold increase in the 10 use of Glyphesate in the state of New Jersey.
11 And so while the use at this particular 12 Alloways creek area is decreasing, not over yet, but 13 still decreasing, the increase in the use, state-wide, 14 is of concern because as you know pesticides generally 15 have a habit of infiltrating our groundwater and 16 surface water.
17 They become part of our drinking water, 18 part of our surface water. And the effects of this 19 herbicide has been linked to cancer effects, birth 20 defect effects, effects on fish, insect populations, 21 and so forth.
22 So we certainly raise this as an issue 23 that needs to be addressed, because nobody has really 24 looked at the cumulative impact of this year, after 25
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plant, all in the name of restoring wetlands.
2 So I think that is the extent of the 3
issues I wanted to raise today. But I do want to say 4
that some of the safety concerns, and environmental 5
concerns, are related mainly to this issue of the 6
aging of the plant, the salinity, the lack of a firm 7
under-structure to the plant, all make the plant more 8
vulnerable to failures of structure that could lead to 9
an environmental release of radiation, which is the 10 ultimate disaster that everybody fears at this plant.
11 And so while the radiation leakage issue, 12 and emissions issue, is not a day to day concern, you 13 know, when the plant is operating optimally, if there 14 isn't an aggressive strategy for preventive 15 maintenance, that not just waits for something to 16
- happen, and then addresses it, but actually 17 anticipates and replaces structures as they age, 18 before they age.
19 This vulnerability will continue, you 20 know, to be of great concern. That concludes my 21 remarks, thank you.
22 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you very much 23 for your comments. The last card that I have, someone 24 who signed up to speak, is Roland Wall, from the 25
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1 After Mr. Wall has taken his time, we will 2
open it up to see if anybody else has any comments.
3 MR. WALL: Good afternoon, I'm Roland 4
- Wall, I'm the Director for the Center for 5
Environmental Policy at the Academy of Natural 6
Sciences in Philadelphia.
7 On behalf of the Academy, I appreciate the 8
opportunity to
- comment, specifically, on the 9
environmental protection and restoration demonstrated 10 in PSEG's estuary enhancement program.
11 Just a little context as to why the 12 Philadelphia Museum is down here making these comments 13 today. The Academy of Natural Sciences is the oldest 14 natural history museum in North America but has also 15 been engaged, for over 60 years, in research on 16 ecological sciences, particularly on understanding 17 human impacts on aquatic and estuarian systems.
18 It is in that role that we have had 19 extensive research on the physical and biological 20 characteristics of the Delaware estuary, including 21 components of the estuary enhancement program.
22 My comments today are based on 23 observations of Academy scientists, particularly those 24 of our senior fishery scientist, Dr. Rich Horowitz, 25
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1 The estuary enhancement program began in 2
1994. And, since that time, has been a large scale 3
effort to restore and preserve portions of the 4
Delaware estuary, in both New Jersey and Delaware, 5
encompassing more than 32 square miles, as you heard 6
earlier, it is the nation's largest privately-funded 7
wetlands restoration project.
8 Restoration efforts have included the goal 9
of replacing former salt hay farms, as you heard. And 10 also to remove marshes that are dominated by the 11 invasive phragmites, with saltcord grass dominated 12 marsh.
13 This has required a substantial effort to 14 control phragmites, and to change drainage patterns to 15 foster topography and tidal flow typical of Delaware 16 Bay salt marshes.
17 The Academy has studied many of these 18 sites, prior to restoration and a number of them 19 following restoration. Yes, the enhancement program 20 has been successful in restoring typical salt marsh 21 conditions at these sites, with most sites being 22 targets for reduction of phragmites, and establishment 23 of salt cordgrass.
24 At the remainder of sites where goals have 25
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continues to work to further improve marsh conditions.
2 The EP has also preserved open space, as 3
at the bayside track. Among other improvements at the 4
restored sites, tidal flow and development of tidal 5
channels have increased, allowing for re-colonization 6
of salt cordgrass and other species.
7 The restored marshes support large numbers 8
of targeted fish species, as well as number of other 9
fishes and invertebrates. These populations continue 10 to -- excuse me, contribute to bay productivity, most 11 notably, at the salt hay farms.
12 The restoration sites also provide 13 important habitat for terrapins, birds, and mammals, 14 and several of the sites are now part of New Jersey's 15 Audubon designated important bird areas.
16 In addition to ecological restoration, the 17 enhancement program has developed increased 18 opportunities for human use and experience, to 19 interact with the estuary.
20 Public use areas were designed to meet the 21 general education, public access, and ecotourism 22 interest of each community hosting an EEP site.
23 This has included improved access to many 24 of the sites by land and water, with boat access and 25
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- areas, in
- turn, supporting extensive 1
recreational activities.
2 The public use areas have become important 3
settings for numerous formal and informal educational 4
programs. The restored areas have also become 5
significant research sites, and research by EEP, and 6
other organizations, including the
- Academy, has 7
advanced our knowledge of tidal marsh ecology.
8 The basic restoration activities, 9
particularly controlling phragmites and fostering 10 development of tidal marsh topography and hydrology, 11 have advanced the field of ecological restoration.
12 The ecological engineering technique of 13 forming primary channels, and then using estuarian 14 processes to further develop channels and topography, 15 is especially notable.
16 And in that way the estuarian enhancement 17 program does provide an important model for marshland 18 restoration. PSEG has also installed fish passage 19 structures at dams in Delaware and New Jersey.
20 These fish ladders have established river 21 herring spawning in nursery areas, and several 22 impoundments, increasing bay-wide populations of these 23 species.
24 PSEG has continued to conduct monitoring 25
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increase our knowledge of Delaware Bay fisheries.
2 To conclude, the Academy would like to 3
commend PSEG on its demonstrated initiative, and long-4 term commitment to restoring the critical wetlands of 5
the Delaware estuary.
6 The estuary enhancement program has had 7
numerous positive impacts on the ecology and 8
biodiversity of the region, and has made important 9
contributions to the recreational and educational 10 opportunities available to local communities.
11 The scale and scope of this effort has 12 supported large scale scientific
- research, has 13 improved our understanding of the process of 14 environmental restoration.
15 The Academy of Natural Sciences has been 16 pleased to have the opportunity to participate in, and 17 to contribute, to our scientific expertise to this 18 project. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on 19 this.
20 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: That was the last 21 speaker that I had signed up to speak at today's 22 meeting. We do have some additional time, obviously, 23 though. So if anyone would like to approach the 24 microphone and speak at this point, now would be the 25
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1 Specifically if you have any environmental 2
scoping comments that you would like to make. Once 3
you have a chance to speak, we will just ask that you 4
fill out one of the yellow cards, again, to make sure 5
that we have your name correctly on the transcript.
6 Anyone interested in approaching the 7
microphone and giving comments at this time?
8 (No response.)
9 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Just keep in mind 10 that, you know, you do have other options and ways to 11 get your comments in, on this process, as we went over 12 in the presentations.
13 And with that I will turn things over to 14 Bo Pham, who is going to close out today's meeting.
15 Bo?
16 MR. PHAM: Thank you, Lance. My name is 17 Bo Pham, I'm the branch chief at the NRC for the team 18 that is conducting the license renewal review.
19 On behalf of the NRC I do want to thank 20 everyone for taking the time to come out today. This 21 is an important aspect of our review, as it allows us 22 the opportunity to come out and meet with the public 23 and members of the community, to listen to your 24
- concerns, and hear different perspectives and 25
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1 I do want to emphasize to everyone, 2
everything that you have heard today does not 3
encompass the entirety of the scope of the license 4
renewal review.
5 We have only started the process. So as 6
the review proceeds, we will discover new issues. But 7
some of the information I was provided today, as part 8
of the comments, I think was very relevant and is an 9
important part of our review.
10 Nor is this the only opportunity for you 11 to make your comments. I do want to remind you of 12 some important dates. December 22nd is going to be 13 the closing date for public comments.
14 And, as you see up there, there are 15 various ways to submit your comments for the 16 Environmental Review. The most expedient way is 17 probably via email, and we can process those very 18 quickly.
19 December 22nd also coincides with the date 20 of the -- to request an opportunity for a hearing. So 21 this is a
totally separate process.
- But, 22 nevertheless, the end date coincides with each other, 23 on December 22nd.
24 One thing I wanted to remind everybody, 25
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meeting, that is we have public meeting feedback forms 2
in the back of the room. If you haven't picked up one 3
yet.
4 If you can think of anything that we can 5
do to improve the public meeting process, what you saw 6
and heard today, we would love to hear from you, 7
positive or negative.
8 The forms are pre-postaged, so you can 9
mail it in to us, or you can hand it in to any one of 10 us today.
11 So with that, again, I thank you all for 12 coming. Members of the staff will be available if you 13 have any questions. But, other than that, this 14 meeting is adjourned. Thank you.
15 (Whereupon, at 2:40 p.m., the above-16 entitled matter was concluded.)
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