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- UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW x
IN THE MATTER OF:
INTERVIEW OF (CLOSED)
Docket No.
(not provided) x Friday, November 7, 2003 Salem Creek Facility Resident's Office The above-entitled interview was conducted at 7:07 a.m.
BEFORE:
EILEEN NAPHEW DAN ORR Special Agent Senior Resident Inspector
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2
(7:07 A.M.)
3 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Today's date is 4
November the 7th, 2003.
The time is approximately 5
7:07 a.m.
Speaking is Special Agent Eileen Naphew, 6
that's NRC Region 1, Office of Investigations.
And 7
also present is Senior Resident Inspector Dan Orr.
8 This interview is being conducted at the Salem Creek 9
Facility in the Resident's Office.
Present for the 10 interview is 11 at Salem.
That's 12 accurate?
13 Fy Correct.
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
And the
.15 interview concerns the Region 1 staff assessment of 16 the work environment, specifically the safety 17 conscience work environment, safety culture at Salem.
18 You would be able to speak only from Salem experience.
19
\\That's true, yes.
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
I had told 21 you before, I think when we set up the interview, that 22
- this, it's not an investigation into a specific 23 potential violation.
There's no subject of an 24 investigation.
It's an assessment of the culture that 25 we're trying to accomplish here.
That's understood.
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1 You're more or less a witness for purposes of the 2
assessment.
3 Okay.
4 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
The interview will 5
be conducted under oath.
Do you have any objection to 6
swearing to information?
7 Not at all.
8 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
- Okay, if you'd 9
raise your right hand.
10 Whereupon, 11 12 called as a witness herein, having been first duly 13 sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
For the record 15 would you state your full name and spell your last 16 name and provide date of birth, Social Security 17 number?
21 18 WINf1l1rI 20 21 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And a home phone?
22 m~n m~
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Is there a good 24 site phone number for you?
It might not be fixed.
Or 25 what's the best number?
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1 6IU'! The best number probably 2
wouldb 3
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay, thanks.
We 4
were talking about when we set the interview up was 5
you had been approached after this assessment was 6
started.
You had been approached by a co-worker of 7
yours in the Union indicating that they thought that a
you should talk to us.
Do you know specifically why?
9 Is there some particular concern or was there some 10 experience that you had that would put you --
11 They thought I may have 12 some things to share that would maybe shed some light 13 as to some of the things that had been going on here.
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
Is there an 15 area that you have a concern regarding?
16 For myself, more just the 17 culture that we're in here.
18 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay, how would you 19 describe that?
20 Not a conservative one.
21 For a
long time we had
- been, and I'm having 22 generalities here, but struggling as a company.
Some 23 changes were made around the time that I got here, 24 around the restart.
And I
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aspect.
Then at some point, and I'll say that point 2-roughly around a year and-a-half, two years ago, I
,3 really felt that we started taking a bad approach to 44 the way we operated.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And what caused 6
that?
Was there a particular event?
What marked the 7
change for you?
8 i don't know that there's 9 a particular event.
I think it's just a culture, a
`10" gradual change in the way, the philosophy.
A lot of 11 it has to do with money.
And for me that's not fixing 12 the equipment that needs to be fixed because of, we
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,don't want to spend the money, is hard for-me to take.
14 I'm an I'm out there every day "15 6looking at things.
And when I'm used as an additional 16 reading because we don't want to spend money to fix 171
,,the particular piece of equipment, and I can give you 18 many examples of things like that.
Gas turban; we 19, have air compressors that start that or run that.
For
-20 the last six to eight months -they've either been 21-inoperable or not reliable.
We've had to periodically 22 check the pressures on the units to ensure that it's 23 maintaining the minimum pressure that we said we would 24 do.
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1 for the Air Start?
2 The Air Start Motors, 3
correct.
Diesel generators; we've in the past 4
starting our compressors for diesel generators, we've 5
had problems with them.
And part of the fix was 6
additional readings involving any of those, ensuring 7
that pressures were maintained.
8 There's many more.
I don't where or how 9
many you, you know, how far you want me to go with 10 this.
11 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
But you're saying 12 that prior to this one and-a-half, two year ago change 13 in the culture or the philosophy with the difference 14 being money in that they're not fixing equipment that 15 they need to fix.
And prior to that time equipment 16 that needed to be fixed was getting fixed?
Is that 17 the change?
I just want to be accurate.
18 1 would say more so, yes.
19 I would say that's, I won't say all of it.
And we 20 certainly didn't do a great job at it.
But the amount 21 of, the amount of money that was spent to fix things 22 definitely was a lot more.
We're very selective now 23 in what we fix and how we go after it.
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1 know, we're supposed to protect the health and safety 2
of the public.
And I think we do pretty good at that.
3 Sometimes I would say that, and I'm just 4
characterizing here, we're maybe not as aggressive in 5
going after things like that as we should be 6
sometimes.
7 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And what examples 8
would that be?
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- Well, we had a recent 10 event here.
The SW 20, a repair on it, I guess, and 11 it was in 4 Bay, Service 4 Bay.
12 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
This is 13 the Turban Header --
14 Correct.
And those 15 testings was supposed to have occurred prior to this 16 valve coming back.
And for one reason or another 17 those testings were not performed.
And there was a 18 question as to whether it should be released.
And I 19 don't know all the specifics about the tagging end of 20 it.
21 It was later used as a red blocking or a 22 battery point for another tag out as things were, I
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1 tested.
2 The requirement, I believe, or the buy in
- 3 from who determined that they could do this was that
'4 the valve would not be operated electrically.
It 5
would be only manually operated.
- Well, somewhere 61 along the line, the communications were lost and we 7,
ended up, when we were releasing the Turban Building
,8' service water, they ended up sending it, and we 9
properly did it as far as we cracked it because it had 10 been manually seeded.
We did crack it open, it's open
!11 seed.
But then we motored it open.
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.The valve ended up going 30, 30 degrees, 13 40 degrees past its open seed prog and there was a i4:
person standing by.
So, I mean, that s a more recent
'15 example that I would have of --
16 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What's the date of 171 this?
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_Initially there was no 19 role out to plant personnel.
It was made a Level 3 20 Notification originally, and it.naytill be.
I'm not 21 even sure.
And there just wasn't much emphasis on it.
22 And I think it's a fairly significant event.
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I will say that.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Who is the!*"
4 Owas sent out this morning or at our mid-shift meeting.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And this is done in response to concerns that were raised by an regarding the level of attention this I believe that's what escalated as far as the investigation and the amount of detail that was put out.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Who's the who raised the concern?
believe.
At least I know he had something to do with it.
I don't know if SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
It might have been somebody else or, but he was involved?
7 He was involved in it, yes.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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1 saw and I wasn't directly involved in it but our last 2
outage was a unit, you know, 1 Outage.
Was it Unit 1?
3 I can't remember specifically now.
But we had tagged, 4
a diesel was tagged out.
We were in an outage and I 5
believe it was Bravo, Bravo Diesel.
And an NEO was 6
sent down to tag it.
No, we were in Unit 1 outage.
7 An NEO was sent to rack down the Unit 2 Brave Diesel 8
Breaker.
There were problems with the breaker and it 9
wouldn't electrically rack down.
10 Somebody was sent down with the NEO, I
11 think they sent 9C or Electrical down there to help 12 with this.
-And they end up getting it down but the 13 springs didn't discharge until, I think, they had to 14 shake the breaker or something like that.
So he got 15 the breaker down.
16 It also had a tag for the control power.
17 But the tag was not for 2 Bravo Control Power.
It was 18 for 2 Alpha Control Power.
So had the NEO, and I'm 19 not saying he would do this because common sense would 20 tell you if you're on 2 Bravo and you have a 2 Alpha 21 Control Power, that would key you in as to you've 22 already got one diesel inoperable, you don't want to 23 make two.
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1 notification was generated but the notification didn't 2
really address the level of concern.
3 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Similar to the 4
other?
5 Similar to the other.
6 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What you've just 7
described?
And what was lacking?
What do you think?
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individuals involved were the ones that generated the 10 notification.
11 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
You didn't have 12 firsthand involvement in this?
13 No, I did not.
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Who are the people 15 that are involved?
.16 asthe 17 involved.
18 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW: [.
19 20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay, as the 21 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Why didn't 22 the notification address all the issues adequately?
23 Was there supervisory involvement that squelched it?
24
- Well, there was 25 supervisory involvement.
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SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Or you 2
don't know.
3 Mai You know, I can't really 4
answer that.
I mean --
5 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
You're not sure 6
exactly what part was lacking?
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- Well, I feel like it.
I 8
- mean, I feel that that was a near miss.
And had we 9
open the control power on the 2 Alpha diesel, I got to 10 believe with only one operable diesel on a running 11 unit that, you know, it would have been --
12 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
No, I guess what I 13 was saying, in terms of the notification and the level 14 of concern.
15 Well, the notification put 16 some blame on the NCO who, because I read it, I read 17 the notification.
It placed some blame on the NCO who 18 originated or wrote the tag out.
And it kind of went 19 on to say that --
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Who was the NCO?
21 I don't really know that.
22 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
So the 23 intended component was tagged as intended but the 24 label was for the 2 Alpha Diesel.
25 Correct.
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1 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Okay.
2 And a notification was 3
generated.
It was made a Level 3.
And when they 4
found the error, when the NEO found the error he took 5
it up and he had it corrected.
And it gave no credit 6
to the person who did bring it up and had it 7
corrected.
It
- was, I just don't think they were 8
taking ownership of the supervisor's okayed and 9
approved the tag out as it was.
They had full 10 knowledge or should have seen what was being tagged.
11 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
12 And again, it was only a 13 near miss.
So, it wasn't a I
just think that 14 sometimes we tend to, as a plant, and I'll say this 15 because of the many occurrences that have been going 16 on lately, we aren't focusing as much as we need to be 17 on and we're not being true to our problems.
18 Nobody wants to get into trouble.
Nobody wants to 19 look bad.
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
That's what you're 21 saying was happening here is that there's a near miss 22 and mistake and this individual doesn't get credit for 23 spotting the mistake and correcting it.
It's more 24 like, okay, because somebody at this level, I guess at 25 the CRS level?
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1CRS or Work Control.
2 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Had knowledge about 3
the tag problem.
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'Right 5
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
So let' s, it seems 6
like you're saying we're not going to admit that that 7
was that much of a problem.
8 That's what I feel it was, 9
yes.
10 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
And you see 11 that happening in a
number of instances, you're 12 saying. You're indicating it's an increased amount of 13 incidents.
14 1 think so.
15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
Do you have 16 any other ones that you want to discuss?
17 NS 42, we had a bad steam is leak six or eight months ago, quite a while ago, on 19 Unit 2.
It was blowing steam, I don't know, 20 feet.
20 I was on --
21 SENIOR RESIDENT AGENT ORR:
This is the 22 one down by the group buses. L_
23 Correct, correct.
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- ImYes, it does.
2 SENIOR RESIDENT AGENT ORR:
You don't have 3
to go into a whole lot of detail.
It's something that 4
we had heard about.
But you're attributing this to an 5
environment problem.
6 Absolutely.
I think 7
senior management does preach to us take the 8
conservative approach.
You know, safety is first.
9 And sometimes I
don't know that that's always 10 portrayed from a mid-management level honestly or 11 whether that's really taken to heart.
I mean, I tend 12 to feel that sometimes we'd like to keep the plant up 13 at almost every cost.
If the public's in danger, I 14 think we'll push the button to trip it.
But if 15 there's some question as to whether we can save it, I
16 think sometimes we push the limit on that.
And the MS 17 42, I think, is an example.
18 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
That's 19 something that's been referred to as a
megawatt 20 mentality.
Pushing non-conservative decision making 21 or--
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That would be very 23 accurate.
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These are the kinds--
And to me that comes down to money again.
I mean, we, we're hurting here as a plant.
I don't really understand why because the company's doing well profit wise from us.
But there is a lack of concern or a lack of wanting to put money into the plant to keep it running as it should.
Another event is a
BF 19 that just occurred.
- Now, I don't have a lot of knowledge about that but there are several NCO's who are directly involved.
And being on the NEO side, I mean, that's more of a reactor type issue.
So, I certainly wouldn't be an expert.
SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Did you see any of those troubleshooting activities in the field for 14 BF 19?
-'7-No, I wasn't involved with it at all, really.
I mean, I know there were NEO's that were sent out to watch the valve.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Who were the people that were involved in that at that time?
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on watch.
I thin:
as the on shift/-
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I'm not sure who the/SRO was at that.
I never really work with that shift in this cycle.
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SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
The --
go ahead.
You were going to say something.
NIm f ine.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Again, that was an incident.
You're associating that with the MS 42, the steam leak incident.
And examples of a non --
A non-conservative approach to operation.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Now, these involved some other people.
Do you have any that involved you personally?
Any time you ever
- saw, felt, heard pressure where it became a production over safety in an incident that you were involved in?
Iwould say no.
I mean, nothing that involved any type of event or where we were in questionable as to whether we should do, take some sort of corrective action.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
It looks like you're thinking there's more to that.
Is it to a lessor extent?
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To a lessor extent, I
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I don't know.
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1 that's according to procedure.
That's no violation, 2
no.
And I'm just categorizing or generalizing.
You 3
- know, just not taking a
conservative approach 4
sometimes in doing things.
5 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
That's what we're 6
looking for; information regarding potential 7
procedural violations.
Anything along those lines.
8 And these are, what I'm 9
thinking is just more general stuff here.
It's not 10 specific.
As far as our corrective actions.
We say 11 we're going to do some things as corrective actions.
12 We're very weak in carrying out those corrective 13 actions.
And I'll give you some examples.
14 We have, in the past, we've had tagging 15 errors who, in a large part, were attributable to 16 either wrong components being tagged or NEO's tagging 17 wrong components.
And part of the corrective action 18 was to have a pre-stage team or somebody look at being 19 sent out actually in the field to walk down these tag 20 outs.
We proceduralized it, I believe, and said we 21 were going to do this as part of a corrective action.
22 And that's almost non-existent.
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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24 The walk downs.
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1 frame for this?
When did this become an issue and 2
when did 3
it 4
1UI I shouldn't really give 5
you that.
I think a few years ago, two or three years 6
ago.
Maybe more than that.
It could be out of the 7
last 8
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
This goes back to 9
the role of 'SAP, when tagging went under SAP?
-71 10 That could very well be.
11 I know it's several years, though.
At least a couple.
12 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
But it's 13 basically been the same but there's no walk downs 14 under this 4
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- Well, I wouldn't say 16 there's no, we have done some but'very, very few.
17 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Has it led to 18 problems, you know, with these tagging errors?
19 I think the walk downs 20 could catch some things before the errors have 21 occurred in some instances, certainly.
22 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Are they caught in 23 other ways?
I mean, is there a back up --
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1 the past if an NEO found something out in the field 2
when he was doing a tag out that didn't look right or 3
wasn't right.
I'll give you an example because I was 4
involved with this.
5 One of the diesel driven fire pumps we 6
were tagging.
And a tag out did not include a vent or 7
a drain on it.
And it would, I mean, that's required.
8 And we went out and saw that and then came back and 9
brought it up and one was put on.
But we, a lot of 10
- times, small things like this we don't capture and 11 they're really not documented.
So --
12 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
To point out as a 13 reminder, you know, needing the vent --
14 Right, right.
15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
and the drain on 16 sbmething.
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-And that's where a walk 18 down would help in something, in a case like that.
19 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
In that situation 20 when you came back and you brought it up that the tag 21 was not done right, what happens?
Is there some sort 22 of action taken?
Does somebody have to answer to 23 that, you know, the person who hung the tag?
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1 now we have implementation teams.
We would take it 2
back to the implement team leader.
And they would 3
look at prints or whatever they need to do to look at 4
the situation.
Or sometimes have our input.
I mean, 5
if we see a specific valve or fenter drain that would 6
work for what we're trying to do, a lot of times we'll 7
mention it to them.
And they'll concur on the print 8
and fix it and give it back.
And we go hang it.
9 But I guess what I'm trying to say is a
10 lot of the little near misses or little things like 11 that aren't always captured.
12 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
With a
13 notification.
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15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Do you --
16 More so they are now.
I 17 will say that.
We do capture things more than we used 18 to.
19 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What changed to 20 make it that way?
21 1I.
I think in a lot of 22 instances pushing by equipment operators and control 23 room operators.
And not always.
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1 see something that's hung wrong and raise that issue 2
to get it addressed?
I mean, is that not just from 3
what you've seen from what you do but from what you 4
see others do.
Is that the way they respond to it?
5 I would say so.
6 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Did you ever become 7
aware that somebody may not, you know, NEO may not 8
point out a problem for fear of getting somebody in 9
trouble.
Is there a hesitancy to not take the right 10 action and make a correction?
WW Specifically I would say 12 no.
I mean, I don't have any specific instances.
I 13 would say there's maybe a reluctance on some people's 14 part to report things.
Some in part due to a lack of 15 concern.
Some in part due to the fact that there's a 16 mentality that or a belief among equipment operators 17 that they wouldn't, like an oil leak, a small oil 18 leak, that they're not going to fix it anyway.
So why 19 should I report this?
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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3 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
It's safety 4
components and --
5 J Safety, I think everybody, 6
there's no one that I know that wouldn't raise an 7
issue if they thought it was important.
8 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
And you said 9
there might be some reluctance on the part of, it's 10 not going to get fixed any ways, so why go to the 11 notification trouble, I guess.
12 There's 13 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Some of that?
14 some of that, sure.
15 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
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How about maybe from 17 surveillance testing?
Something looks like it's not 18 quite right by a surveillance test acceptance criteria 19 or, well, I don't want to put words in your mouth but 20 21 IM There's none I can think 22 of.
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up.
3 Some procedures you sometimes have to work 4
around a little bit.
And probably the procedure 5
should be fixed.
And I would say we're much better 6
about doing that
- now, about either putting a
7 notification in to get it fixed or-raising the 8
awareness of the procedure group to do a fix.
So I 9
think that's one area where we have really improved.
10 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What do you 1i attribute that to, the improvement?
12 The improvement?
I think 13 more notifications are being generated both by 14 supervision and by equipment operators, CO's.
15 Possibly from the group that's in, maybe they put more 16 people working on the procedures.
And I think we 17 spent so much time that we've refined our procedures 18 enough that there's not that many major errors any 19 more or major problems with them.
And for the most 20 part they're small.
And I'm talking about more of our 21 operating procedures.
We don't always follow our 22 admin procedures as written.
And I gave you an 23 example earlier about the walk downs, shift meetings.
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meetings, shift briefs.
It says that all operators 2
will be present for shift briefs.
And a lot of times 3
if an NEO has something going on in his particular 4
area, he doesn't miss the meeting.
But also in that 5
procedure it says that the NEO should be briefed 6
separately.
And that doesn't really occur.
7 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Administrative 8
procedures?
9 Administrative procedure, 10 right.
11 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
We talked about the i2 concerns that you had with the corrective action 13 program.
In terms of raising concerns overall, do 14 people -- we'll go overall from a safety environment, 15 nuclear safety in particular, do people raise 16 concerns?
Do you see people feel that they're able to 17 raise concerns in this environment?
18 1: I think most people do.
19 Some people are reluctant and this is just my opinion 20 because I have no,-nothing to base this on.
This is 21 just from my --
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22 Some people just want to go about their business and, 23 but I think the vast majority of people do, do feel 24 they can raise a concern.
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Without having to suffer any adverse 3
actions for doing so?
4 I would think most people 5
don't feel a
concern for retaliation.
I
- think, 6
depending on, that could be present though.
7 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEI':
And what goes into 8
that?
Is it present based on the example of something 9
that happened or is it because of the personality that 10 you said may just not want to make waves?
12 has brought a lot of issues up in the near future or 13 in the recent past.
An*
10is looked at as a 14 hinderance to the company.
He's looked at as trying 15 to create problems.
given very few jobs that 16 require --
I would consider with the more difficult or 17 jobs that, if something were to go wrong would have 18 consequences or more consequences.
He's typically 19 given things, and I'm just generalizing here, that are 20 not time dependent.
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And he's not afraid to bring any concern up.
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I have no doubt about that.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What do you base that on?
Is it your observations of what, when you say they think he's a hinderance, he's a problem?
What have you observed?
As far as?
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
To get to that conclusion that he's a problem for management.
' Because of the amount of notifications he's generated lately.
This issue that was brought up with the SW 20.
I think ftlhad something to do with bringing that up and escalating it because no role out was put out.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
So you see him as somebody who's in a position, who has adverse actions taken against him because he's raising concerns.
That's where you went from --
4'i think I can --
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to--
2 Some don't raise them 3
because of their personalities, because they just 4
don't want to make any waves.
Some do raise concerns 5
and for the most part concerns are handled.
I think 6
part of the problem is the Union management 7
relationship right now.
It's very strained.
There's 8
not a lot of trust within certain people in certain 9
groups and specifically-10 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
These are people 11 who are seen as difficult?
You said that there was 12 some supervisors who could work with
,and 13 some who see him as a problem.
14 who can, right.
15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Have you observed 16 them together for their reactions to his concerns?
17 What have you seen that says he's a problem?
18
- Well, just kind of, I
19
- mean, it's a
running
- joke, almost, within the 20 department.
You know, a lot of supervisors, you know, 21 oh, no.
He's working for me.
I got again.
Or 22 23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
That means there's 24 going to be issues?
25 Well, that there could be.
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I mean--
-2 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
3 01r-iAnd I don't think 4
maliciously does anything.
But if he sees something 5
that is not to letter,
- addresses it.
He 6
really does.
He has no problem completing a task.
7 He's one of the harder worker we have.
So he's not 8
trying to sabotage anything or trying to make things 9
up.
would like nothing better than for the 101 to be given a lot more freedom in how we operate 11 as far as, what's the word I'm looking for here, skill 12 of the craft type evolutions.
13 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
14 We've had so many problems 15 in the past.
And I'll go back to our lone shut down 16 that we've proceduralized everything.
And we don't 17 give very much latitude sometimes.
I just saw a
.18 procedure today that this was for filling and venting 19 the tax system that had an IV in the procedure for 20 somebody to make sure a hose was coinected.
Well, if 21 a guy signed a step off that a hose was connected, if 22 it's not, he's lying to you.
So I don't really see 23 where.
I think sometimes we go too 24 overboard --
25 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Procedurally.
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procedurally because 2
there may have been an issue in the past instead of 3
either couching an individual or finding out why they 4
did what they did.
Sometimes an overreaction is to, 5
we'll proceduralize that and put an extra step in here 6
or something.
7 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And that' s where he 8
would rather see skill of the craft, left up to --
9 Sure.
Let's train the 10 people better and let's, you know, that's just my 11 opinion too.
12 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What about you?
Do 13 you feel you could raise a concern or push a safety 14 issue without fear of retaliation?
15 I feel I could raise a 16 concern.
I have no problem raising concerns.
I do.
17 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Have you had?
18 Sure.
19 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Do you suffer 20 anything like what you're saying
)gets?
21 These push to the side jobs that nobody wants.
22 No, not really.
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Is the difference is that he's regularly got issues and brings them1 4 forward.
Whereas you're not on that*,
/
You might only have them once in a while?
What do you attribute it to?
I mean, if he raises concerns this is what happens to him.
And if you raise concerns, you're comfortable, is what you're saying, right?
I ouldn't say I'm always comfortable.
Sometimes I,
I think if you raise a concern that is not thought of by management as being a valid one, you're looked at as being a hinderance and trying to stop work.
I think that does go on to some degree.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
But if they're in agreement with you?
For example, I believe this is proceduralized somewhere that, if it's not proceduralized I know it's been emphasized that a person doing an IV, Independent Verification, on whether a component or whatever, a tag out, shall not directly watch the person that is tagging or hanging a tag out.
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times you need help tagging.
2 And, I mean, it occurs to this point, to 3
this day, I should say, in some cases where they'll 4
give the initial guy doing the tag out and then 5
they'll pair him up with the IV guy and they'll ask 6
you if you have any problems or have concerns about 7
doing the IV while the other guy's doing the tag out.
8 Some supervisors will ask that.
9 I don't know if I'm driving my view.
10 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
I 11 understand.
So you say they need help maybe for 12 moving ladders and --
13 Moving ladders, being a 14 safety man.
15 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
- Okay, 16 dragging hoses.
17 Dragging hoses, possibly 18
- even, let's say you have to have a guy to valve and 19 the other guy watching a gauge or draining or maybe --
20 around to a floor drain.
21 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
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But that's not 2
always the way we practice.
3 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Okay.
I.-
4 Now, there are supervisors 5
who are, who take the more conservative approach and 6
tell you, maintain your independence.
And I'll say 7
the vast, probably the majority of them do that, make 8
sure you maintain your independence.
If you need a 9
safety guy or if you need help, call me.
Because not 10 every it doesn't occur all the time.
And 11 especially if there's a scheduled pressure sometimes, 12 if there's not the extra
- people, production is 13 important.
And that does get in the way sometime of -
14 15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
So that plays into 16 the way the concerns might be handled if it's seen as 17 valid, it's supported.
And if it's seen as a slow 18 down or an invalid --
19 Absolutely.
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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-t 22
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There are 2
certain individuals who are given those types of jobs 3
because of --
4 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
They're not a work 5
stopper.
-V 6
they don't raise 7
issues.
They don't raise issues and they just go out 8
and get it done.
9 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
I see.
Anybody 10 else in.iu situation that you can think 11 of?
12 I don't really think so.
13 I think pretty much stands out.
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
You had indicated 15 that you're not comfortable all of the time in rasing 16 concerns.
17 Like I mentioned about, 18 maybe a little safety issue to me where I want an 19 extra guy to help with a tag out or something --
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
- Right, when you 21 explained that --
22 Some supervisors are fine 23 with that.
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2 4 That may question it.
3 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Right.
And I
4 followed you there.
And my question is more in terms 5
of, if you saw a concern regarding nuclear safety, 6
technical specification issues, license requirement 7
- problems, do you feel that you can raise a concern 8
along those lines?
9 7:54 a.m.
And sometimes that doesn't 10 catch when it's at the end of the tape.
And my 11 question for you was do you feel that you could raise 12 issues of a nuclear safety related, technical specs 13 issues, license requirement issues, anything along the 14 line of nuclear safety.
Are you comfortable in 15 raising those types of concerns because you had sort 16 of defined where your comfort level was with raising 17 concerns and that some people, management sees things 18 as valid and accepts it easier when it's a concern of 19 moving equipment or needing support for something to 20 get done.
Others might not welcome it as much and 21 might see it as a slow down.
22 But extend that out to concerns about 23 nuclear safety.
Are you comfortable in raising 24 concerns here if you had a concern of that nature?
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believe that it would be acted upon.
3 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Based on your 4
experience, you've seen nothing that --
5 Based on my experience --
6 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
would say it 7
- Well, now, you know, you 8
have to look at some of the other things that I 9
mentioned.
Is the SW 20 a nuclear concern?
I don't 10 really know that it is.
But it's certainly a concern 11 where it would give me reason to question, are there 12 possibly other concerns that I
haven't seen any 13 personally or been involved in any.
But the F19 14
- event, you know, is that a nuclear safety concern?
15 I'm not real sure.
I don't have the expertise to 16 determine that.
17 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
But you question 18 some of the decision making around that.
19 Absolutely.
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Do you have 21 anything further?
22 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
No.
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Is there anything 24 you'd like to add at this,Ythat either I haven't 25 asked or you thought of you'd like to add?
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I think I've captured most 2
of it.
You
- know, I
just emphasize that the 3
environment that we're in is, there's almost a cowboy 4
mentality, so to speak, and I'm generalizing again.
5 I'm not giving specifics.
And I place a lot of that 7
because of the way we've been operating over the past 8
year and-a-half or so.
9 A lot of that comes from higher up as far 10 as budget constraints.
But I'm not talking about 11 specifically just about that.
I'm talking about any 12 operation, as far as keeping the plants running.
I 13 think sometimes we don't take the conservative 14 approach and I think it's condoned in the mid 15 that's not what's said.
We don't always say what we 16 really mean here.
17 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Examples of that4 18 are what you had discussed before.
j 7
19 action regarding that MS 42, that steam valve, the 20 leak.
21 Right.
I'm not sure what 22 23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
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Is there 2
anything more that you would add to that other than 3
what we've discussed already or goes into the cowboy 4
mentality?
5 The fact that we're not 6
fixing things.
And that plays into it a lot as far as 7
our operations.
We've band-aided a lot of things.
8 Circ water, which is not safety related at all, but in 9
order to keep the plants running we certainly need it.
10 We're running with a temporary diesel out there now.
11 We have temporary diesels for station air compressors.
12 We just had one trip the other day.
13 So from an equipment standpoint I think 14 we've taken an approach as a company that we don't 15 really need all of these things.
And I believe that 16 at some point they were a liability.
And I think it's 17 already suffered as far as keeping the units on line.
18 And I don't know if that's what you're 19 really asking here.
But for me that's a big portion 20 of our problems right now is our equipment.
21 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Not fixing the 22 equipment....
23 7 JNot fixing it.
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money into fixing--
2
.And it's frustrating for 3
operation management as well.
I know it is.
But if 4
it's that important, I think the concern is not being 5
raised enough from them as well.
If operations needs 6
this, we should be able to get it fixed.
7 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And those concerns 8
we hear about at the OS level, is what you think?
Is 9
that it?
10 I think so.
I mean --
11 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Anybody in 12 particular?
13 Not really.
I mean --
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Across the board.
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17 I
know that m 18
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20 On the CRS level, those CRS's are very frustrated.
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9 10 I1 1 2 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 or whatever.
There's an emphasis on that.
There's no doubt about it.
Secondary or tertiary type systems, very little preventative maintenance.
We fix things when they break.
Sometimes we close notifications out without fixing.
I mean, that happens over and over.
More so in the past, but closed a trend.
We have an issue right now, and this is one I brought up, with the starting air compressors for the diesels.
About two years ago a notification.
We've been having water on the Unit 2
starting air compressors.
We don't have it on Unit 1.
I don't know why.
But I wrote a notification.
We ended up changing the oil out.
We did additional readings for a period of time.
The additional readings subsided.
Everybody thought it was over.
Well, three weeks or four weeks ago, I
found another one that went two inches in water in the sump.
'*another notification.
And I
addressed this to Engineering.
Obviously there's a problem.
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I 2
know they changed the oil out of the 2 Charlie Diesel.
3 But whether anything was addressed.
And I made it 4
known that it was some sort of design problem, have 5
Engineering evaluate it.
But I can't tell you at this 6
point if that's been done.
7 And, again, I'm kind of rambling here.
I 8
don't know if it's relevant.
9 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
It's all relevant.
10 And your time is all helpful.
11 I have nothing further.
Do you, Dan?
12 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
No, I
13 don't think so.
14 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW: Anything you'd like 15 to add,T at this point?
16 Just a couple of things.
17 I think th
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ýIthat we have, from what 18 I've seen so far, seems to be concerned.
19 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
is it?
20 11M 21 SPECIAL AGENT.NAPHEW 22 I 1'm impressed with him to 23 this point.
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And I look forward, I 2
think he's capable of turning us in the direction we 3
need to go.
So I think we have the ability to get 4
where we need to be.
We just have, and it's a
5 commitment by everybody involved, it's a commitment by 6
NEO's, CO's and upper management.
7 But right now we're butting heads and, you 8
know, until we can all come together and work as a 9
team.
And that's going to take some time.
It's not 10 going to happen overnight.
But I think we have people 11 in place that can turn this place around.
I also 12 believe there are some hindrances.
And I think 13 ahave their own type philosophy in 14 operating.
And, again, that's my opinion.
15 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
Concluded?
16 Yeah, that's it.
17 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Okay.
Then we'll 18 go off the record.
I thank you for all your time this 19 morning.
I know it's.difficult at the end of a long 20 shift.
8:05 a.m. and we'll go off the record.
21 (Whereupon, the above interview was 22 concluded at 8:05 a.m.)
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
All right, we're 24 back on the record.
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You 25 wanted to add something in regard to O
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SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Is this the incident involving him going into containment on scheduled basis?
o
- Yes, it is.
Yes.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And that was 1I'-IWo/
That's correct.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
And you're saying that that
- was, essentially it was unfounded, unsubstantiated, correct?
-m
. That's what was found by, by the company, yes.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
But for you that establishes a history of K having problems with management and feeling that he's being harassed?
That's correct.
SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
But you're saying that
.raised a concern about harassment agains "or was harassin I wasn't clear on that.
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-- I believe he raised a concern about being harassed byp' SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
For having to go into containment at that particular point in time?
. Yes, felt that he was being singled out.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
What did, why did he say the basis of that was?
Why was he being singled out?
I don't really remember.
I'm not sure about the, the reasoning.
SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
But you just wanted to add that for more of a historical --
For a historical SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
-- related tA
- Absolutely.
SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
So the harassment was, it was essentially punishment to go into containment, perform an evolution.
Whatever task he had to.
SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
And then actually that evolution there was from that occurred, right?
That's the 2PS3, and that was --
That's correct.
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2 It's just about going into containment?
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Yes.
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Anything else on 5
that?
No, I don't think so.
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All right, then 8
we'll go off the --
I'm sorry, go ahead.
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In, we thought that was 12 investigated.
The company investigated that.-
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Yes, he did.
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Through 15 the company?
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- Yes, that was 18 covered.
19 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR:
Okay.
20 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
It's approximately 21 8:09 a.m.
We'll go off the record.
22 SENIOR RESIDENT INSPECTOR ORR: That's it.
23 SPECIAL AGENT NAPHEW:
Fine.
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