ML12340A666
| ML12340A666 | |
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| Site: | Indian Point  |
| Issue date: | 01/23/2012 |
| From: | Entergy Nuclear Operations, Entergy Nuclear Indian Point 2, Entergy Nuclear Indian Point 3, Riverkeeper |
| To: | Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel, State of NY, Dept of Environmental Conservation |
| SECY RAS | |
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| RAS 22996, 50-247-LR, 50-286-LR, ASBLP 07-858-03-LR-BD01 | |
| Download: ML12340A666 (28) | |
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3895Pages3895-4125STATEOFNEWYORKDEPARTMENTOFENVIRONMENTALCONSERVATION---------------------------------------------------IntheMatterof:EntergyNuclearIndianPoint2,LLC,andEntergyNuclearIndianPoint3,LLCDECNo.:
3-5522-00011/00004SPDESNo.:NY-0004472ForaStatePollutionDischargeEliminationSystemPermitRenewalandModification
EntergyNuclearIndianPoint2,LLC, EntergyNuclearIndianPoint3,LLC,and EntergyNuclearOperations,Inc.DECApp.Nos.
3-5522-00011/00030(IP2) 3-5522-00105/00031JointApplicationforCWA§401WaterQuality
Certification-----------------------------ARBITRATIONBEFORE:DanielP.O'Connell,ALJMariaE.Villa,ALJNEWYORKDEPARTMENTOFENVIRONMENTALCONSERVATION625Broadway,1stFloorAlbany,NewYork12233January23,2012,8:21a.m.------Reporter:AlanH.Brock,RDR,CRR------ahb@fabreporters.comwww.fabreporters.comFarmerArsenaultBrockLLC50CongressStreet,Suite415,Boston,Mass.02109617.728.4404fax617.728.4408 RIV000126 Submitted: July 13, 2012 EXCERPT United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission Official Hearing Exhibit In the Matter of
- Entergy Nuclear Operations, Inc. (Indian Point Nuclear Generating Units 2 and 3)
ASLBP #:07-858-03-LR-BD01 Docket #:05000247 l 05000286 Exhibit #:
Identified:
Admitted: Withdrawn:
Rejected: Stricken: Other: RIV000126-00-BD01 10/15/2012 10/15/2012 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3972examineanddeterminewhetherthere'sanareathatwouldbepronetoleakage,toyourknowledge,would thatbeabletobeprevented?JUDGEVILLA:Sorry,Ididn't understand.MS.BRANCATO:Sorry.Icanrephrase.Q.Youtalkedaboutwaterchemistry.Toyourknowledge,arephysicalorvisualinspectionsofthe uninspectedportionofthepoollinerpossible,to yourknowledge?A.Ican'tsaythey'reimpossible.Iknowtheyhaven'tbeendoneyetwiththetechnologythat currentlyexists.Q.Thankyou.I'dliketoaskafewquestionsabouttheUnit1spent-fuelpool,andifIcould turnyourattentiontoEntergyExhibit33,theGZA siteinvestigationreport.A.Ihavethat.Q.Inyourdirecttestimony--I'lltakeonestepback--onPage9,Lines11and12,youtestifiedthattheIndianPointspent-fuelpoolsare nolongeranactivesourceofradionuclidestothesubsurface.
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3973A.Page9,whatlinesagain?Q.Lines11through12.
A.Yes.Q.IntheGZAreport,onPage113--A.OfPage113.
Q.Now,inthefirstfullparagraph--thefirstfullparagraphindicatesthat,quote,"Fromacontaminantplumeperspective,thesehistoricreleasesstillrepresentanongoinglegacysourceof strontiuminthegroundwatertothesouthsideofUnit1.Thisisbecausestrontiumpartitionsfromthewaterphaseandadsorbstosolidmaterials, includingsubsurfacesoilandbedrock.The strontiumpreviouslyadsorbedtothesesubsurfacematerialsthenpartitionsbacktoandcontinuestocontaminatethegroundwaterovertime,evenafter thestormdrainreleaseshavebeenterminated,"endquote.Toyourknowledge,whenthisparagraphrefersto"thesehistoricreleases,"arethosethereleasesfromtheUnit1spent-fuelpool?A.Yes.Q.I'djustliketogetabetterunderstanding 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3974ofthisconceptofpartitioning.BasedonthisstatementintheGZAreport,woulditbeaccurateto saythatstrontiumthat'sleakedfromtheUnit1spent-fuelpoolthat'sbeenretainedinthesubsurfacewouldcontinuetobereleasedtothe groundwaterinthefuture?A.Yes.Q.Andtoyourknowledge,isthisaphenomenonthatwouldcontinueduringtheproposedperiodofextendedoperation,meaningfora20-yearperiod?A.Wewouldexpectpartitioningwould,youknow,continueatleastintotherenewalperiod.Q.AnddoesGZAoranyoneelse,toyourknowledge,measurehowmuchcontaminationispartitionedintoasolidformatanygiventime?A.Wehavenotdonethat.Q.Andlikewiseorsimilarly,doyoumonitorwhenthecontaminationpartitionsintoliquidandreleasestothegroundwater?A.Wemonitorthegroundwaterandtheradionuclideactivitiesinthegroundwater,andthatgivesusanindicationthatthatmaybegoingon.Q.Atanygiventimeareyoumeasuringhow 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3975muchcontaminationispartitioningtothegroundwater?A.Wearemeasuringhowmuchcontaminationisinthegroundwater.Q.Partitioning,asIunderstanditfromthisreport,relatestotheradionuclidescollectingon thesurfaceofstructures;isthataccurate?Ifnot,canyoupleaseexplainyourunderstandingofwhatthat--A.Solidsurfacesingeneral,theycanbe,youknow,naturaloranthropogenic.Q.Andcancontaminationmigrateintosubsurfacestructures,toyourknowledge?MR.TRACH:I'mgoingtoobject.Cancontaminationmigrateintosubsurfacestructures?
I'mnotsureIunderstand.JUDGEVILLA:Ithinkweneedtobreakitdownalittlebit.Idon'tknowwhatyoumeanby"subsurfacestructures"and"contamination."Ifyou'refollowingthesameline,I'velostthetrail.MS.BRANCATO:Okay.Q.Ithinkyoujustindicatedthatradionuclidescanpartitionontoanthropogenic 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3976and/orgeologicalsurfacesintheground;isthatcorrect?A.That'scorrect.Q.Sowhatwouldbeyourunderstandingofanthropogenicsources?A.No,they'dbeanthropogenicstructures.Q.Anthropogenicsubstructures.Couldyoudescribewhatthosecouldbe?A.Concretefoundations.
Q.Woulditincludepipes?A.Yes,itwouldadsorbtothesurfaceofpipes,dependingonthetypeofpipe.Q.WhatIwastryingtogainanunderstandingofafewmomentsagowaswhetherparticular radionuclidescouldmigratethroughthesubsurfacestructures,likepipes,undertheground.Arethose radionuclides,toyourknowledge,capableofmovinginto--insideofapipe,forexample?A.Ifyouhaveasolidpipe,Idon'tbelievetheradionuclideisgoingtomovethroughthewallofthatpipe.Q.Thankyou.ThisparagraphIreadearlierfromPage113oftheGZAreporttalksabout 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3977strontium.DoespartitioningoccurwithotherradionuclidesthathavebeenreleasedfromtheUnit 1spent-fuelpool?A.Yes.
Q.Andwhichradionuclides?
A.Mostradionuclideswillpartition.AndtheonethatIknowhasbeenreleasedtosomeextentiscesium,whichdoespartition.Q.Thankyou.Anddoesnickel63partition,toyourknowledge?A.Ibelieveitdoes,butIdon'tknowspecifically.Q.OnPage23ofyourrebuttaltestimony--A.Onesecond.Ihaveit.Q.OnthispageyoudiscussthenorthcurtaindrainsumpandthespherefoundationdrainsumpsatIndianPoint.AndonLines14through17youindicatethatthesecomponentsstillcaptureresidualcontamination.Isthataccurate?A.Letmereadit.Q.Sure.A.Yes,thesedrainsarestillcapturing 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3978residualradionuclides.Q.Sodoesthatmeanthatthecontaminationisadsorbingtothestructures?A.No.Imean,itcanadsorbtothestructure,but--Ithinkyouneedtorephrasethequestion.Q.Sure.I'mtryingtogetatwhetherpartitioningappliestothesestructures.Doesthecontaminationpartitiontoorfromthenorthcurtaindrainorthespherefoundationdrainsump?A.Ifthereareradionuclidesinthewater,theycanpartitiontotheoutsideorinsideofthepipe,dependingonwherethatwaterendsup.Q.Andsowillresidualcontaminationthat'scapturedinthenorthcurtaindrainandthesphere foundationdrainsumpcontinuetobereleasedintotheenvironmentinthefuture?A.Waterthatentersthedrainscontainingradionuclideswillbecapturedbythosedrains;anddependingonwhichdrainandwhichradionuclide, someofitwillbereleasedthroughamonitoredpathway.Otherportionsofitaretakenoutthrough 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)3979treatmentanddisposedof--IguessIdon'tknowexactlywhereit'sdisposedof,butit'soff-site.Q.Wouldanyofthateverhavetheopportunitytoenterbackintothegroundwateronceit'sinthe drainorthesump?A.Onceit'sinthedrainorthesump,itmostlikelygoesthroughprocess,andthenit'seitherdisposedoff-site,dependingontheprocess,orit'sreleasedintothedischargecanal.Fromthatpoint it'snotlikelytogointothegroundwater.Q.Wouldcontaminationthatyouindicatedcouldpartitionandadsorbtothosestructures, couldthoseradionuclidesgobackintothe groundwater?A.Ifit'sradionuclidesthatarepartitioningtotheinsideofthedrainlines,thenifit unpartitions--i.e.,comesbackoff--itwouldthenmoveintothewaterinthedrain,andthenfromthereitshouldmovetoprocessandnotgotothegroundwater.Q.Thankyou.IfyoucouldturntoPage74oftheGZAreport,Exhibit33.A.Ihave74.
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4040inthegroundwater?A.Itreduceditduringthattimeperiod,yes.Q.Wasthiswellpumptest--toyourknowledge,thiswasdesignedtodeterminethe feasibilityofextractionorforsomeotherpurpose?A.Todeterminethefeasibilityandgatherotherparameterssothatwecouldbetterevaluateit.Q.Andwouldyouagreethatasofthetimeofthestatusreportin2006,basedonthisstatus report,thatatthistimeextractionhadbeendeterminedtobefeasible?JUDGEVILLA:I'msorry,whenyousay"atthistime,"doyoumeanatthetimethatexhibit--MS.BRANCATO:Atthetimeofthestatusreport,whichwasDecember2006.A.It'sfeasible,butithasprosandcons.Q.I'mjusttryingtogetasenseofwhenGZAdeterminedthatitcouldbedone.Wouldyouagreethatitwasaroundthistimeframe?A.Atthispoint--bythispointintime,wewouldbeabletosaythatextractionofsometypeis 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4041feasible.Q.Thankyou.AndwouldextractionoftheradiologicalcontaminationatIndianPoint,would thatresultinlesscontaminationexistinginthegroundwater?A.Yes.
Q.Andwouldextractionoftheradiologicalcontaminationresultinlesscontaminationgoing intotheHudsonRiver?A.Notnecessarily.Q.Couldextractionpreventcontaminationfromreachingtheriver?A.Itcouldpreventitfromreachingtheriverthroughthegroundwaterpathway.Q.YoutestifyonPage38oftherebuttal,Lines8to9,thatMNAisacorrectstrategy.MR.TRACH:Whatpage?
MS.BRANCATO:Page38oftherebuttal.A.Page38?
Q.Lines8to9.AndhereyoutestifythatMNAisthecorrectstrategybecauseactiveandidentifiedsourcesofgroundwatercontaminationhavebeeneliminatedorcontrolled.
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7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4087rapidornot.Obviously,somethingsaremuchmoredifficultandtakelonger,and,youknow....Q.Thankyou.I'dliketoturntoafewquestionsaboutextractionatIndianPoint.A.Whichdocumentarewegoingto?
Q.Ithinkrightnowit'stoyourtestimony,onPage41ofyourrebuttaltestimony.A.Okay,Ihaveit.
Q.Aswediscussedearlier,youwouldagreethatpumptestswereperformedaroundthetimeperiodof2006todeterminewhetherextractionwouldbefeasible;isthatcorrect?A.Apumptest,yes.
Q.Weretherenottieredpumpteststhatoccurred?A.Thereweremultiplephasestothesingleoverallpumptest.Q.Andyoumayhavealreadytestifiedtothis,andifyoudid,youdon'thavetoanswer.ButyouagreethatextractionisfeasibleatIndianPoint?A.Somelevelofextractionincertainlocationsisfeasible.Q.Toyourknowledge,wasthereaparticular 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4088reasonwhyextractionwasnotchosenastheremedialtechnologytoapplytothesite?A.Therearelotsofreasons.Welookedatmultiple,youknow,potentialremedialtechnologies, andwebalanced,youknow,theadvantagesofthe technologyagainstthedisadvantages.And effectivelywedidthatinthiscase,andwethen,youknow--wepresentedtheadvantagesanddisadvantagesaswesawthemfromageohydrologic standpoint.WepresentedthattoEntergyaswellasNRC,DEC.Andthenthosepartiescametotheconclusionofwhatwastheappropriateremedial response.Q.ButtherewasnotechnicalreasonwhyextractioncouldnothavebeenimplementedatIndian Point?A.Itcouldhavebeenimplementedinthatparticularwell;butinfact,thereweresomesignificantdisadvantages,likeitwouldmovestrontiumfromUnit1toUnit2,whichwedidnotthinkwassomethingthatwewantedtodo.Q.Andinyourrebuttaltestimonyyouindicatethatacertainnumberofgroundwaterextraction 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4089wellscouldbeinstalled.Wouldthosebeatdifferentlocationstoaccountforthatpotential issuethatyoujustidentifiedaboutcommingling?A.I'mnotsurewespecifiedinherehowmanywells.Butthereareother--inherewelookedat differentplaceswhereyoucouldputinwells,wells couldbeputin.Andagain,therewouldbeasetofadvantagesanddisadvantagesthatmaybedifferentdependingonwherethesewellswereputin.Sowedidnothaveaformalproposalhere.Wewerejustlookingatisitfeasibletoput inwellsand,youknow,whataretheprosandcons ofthose.Youknow,wedidnotgetasfar,you know,inthislocation.Andherewe'retalkingactuallyfartherdowngradient.Sowedidn'tgetasfarinthatanalysis.Butwellscouldbeputin.Q.Andyouindicatedtherewereconcernsaboutdrawingthecontaminationplumestogether.Didtheplumesastheyexistnowcommingleanyway?A.Theplumescommingleinaspecificareadownneartheriver,butthepreviousquestionswerewithrespecttothepumpingtestthatweran,whichwasfartherup,andtheretheplumesarenot 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4090 commingled.Q.Iftheplumestowardthesourceofthecontaminationdidcommingle,howdoesthataffect howextractioncouldbeconducted?Doesitmakeitmoredangerous?Aretherelimitations?I'mjust tryingtounderstandwhattheconcernwas.A.Themajorconcernwasyou'regoingtomovestrontiumtoaplacewhereitdoesn'tcurrently exist,andthatmeansit'sgoingtopartitionto thosenaturalmaterials,andnowyouhaveitsomeplacewhereitotherwisewouldn'texist.Andthat'scertainlynotoneofthethingsyouwantto do.Q.Butwouldyoubewithdrawingitfromtheenvironmentatthesametime?A.Youwouldwithdrawsomeofit,butotherpartsofit,largeparts,wouldpartitiontotheenvironment.Youhavethesolidmaterialswhereitwasn'tbefore.Q.Andwouldyoubedrawingitawayfromareaswhereitwasandnowitwouldnotexistifyou--A.It'sunlikelythatyouwouldbeabletomoveitfromoneplaceandthenputithere.What 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4091wouldhappenis,youwouldstillhaveitintheoriginalplace,Unit1,andyouwouldpullittoward Unit2,andthenyouwouldsmearstrontiumthroughpartitioningonallthegeologicmaterialsbetweenUnit1andUnit2.Andnowyouhaveabiggerarea that'scontaminatedwithstrontiumadsorbedtothe solidmaterials--which,again,isadisadvantage.Q.AndifandwhenafullremediationoftheIndianPointsiteeveroccursatthetimeof decommissioningtheplant,ifthestrontiumwasdrawnintodifferentlocations,asyou'veindicated,doesthataffectthewaythecleanupisconducted?
I'mjusttryingtounderstandthedisadvantagesof drawingthecontaminationsuchthatyoucouldextractit,when,asyou'veindicated,thegroundwaterisnotusedforanypurposeanyway.MR.TRACH:I'mgoingtoobjecttoquestionsaboutwhatisgoingtohappenatdecommissioningofthesite.JUDGEVILLA:What'stherelevanceofthat,Ms.Brancato?MS.BRANCATO:I'mjusttryingtounderstandtheimplicationsofemployingan 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4092extractionwellwherethepilottesttookplace,togetanunderstandingofhowthestrontiumexistsat thesiteandjusthow--itjustgoestotheefficacyofextractionandfeasibility.JUDGEVILLA:Let'smoveon.Q.AndifextractionweretobeimplementedatIndianPoint,doyouhaveapositiononwherethose wellswouldbesited?A.Therearelotsofdifferentpositions.Wehavenotinvestigatedtocomeupwiththeoptimal positions.Itdependsonwhattheobjectivesare.Q.Andcouldextractionwellsbesiteddirectlyoverthestrontiumplumesuchthatitwouldn'thavetoshiftandmoveandpartitiontoothersubsurfacestructures?A.That'spotential.We'dhavetolookatit.But,youknow,theremaybestructuresintheway, etcetera.Q.Andwouldyouagreethatsitingextractionwellsasclosetoasourceofcontaminationismoreeffectivethansitingwellsfurtherawaytoa
source?MR.TRACH:I'mgoingtoobject.
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7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4093Effectiveatwhat?MS.BRANCATO:Effectiveatextracting contamination.A.Ihavetroublewiththeword"effective."Itdependswhattheobjectiveis.Itabsolutelymaynotbetherightplace.Q.Andtoyourknowledge,wouldsitingextractionwells--doyouhaveasenseofwherethe optimallocationwouldbeinordertoprevent migrationtotheHudsonRiver?Woulditbeclosesttothesourceofthecontaminationorclosertotheriver?A.Withthespecificobjectiveofpreventingradionuclidesfromgettingtotheriver,itwouldbeclosertotheriver.Q.Andifextractionwellsweresitedclosertotheriver,thatwouldn'tdrawthecontamination closertotheriver?A.Infact,thatcouldbeadownside,adisadvantage.Q.Whenyousay"disadvantage,"doesthatmeanthatthatlocationcouldresultinradionuclides stillreachingtheriver?
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4094A.No,no.Youcouldputextractionwellsinneartherivertostopthemfromreachingtheriver;butthatmeansyouwillstillthenpotentiallypullradionuclidesthatarefartherupgradientdowntowardsthatarea,dependingonwherethewells are--whichIthinkiswhatyourquestionwas.Q.Thankyou.Aswe'vediscussedandasyou'vetestifiedtoinyourwrittentestimony,the leaks--theplumeswereinvestigatedin2005;is thatcorrect?A.That'swhenwestartedtheinvestigation.
Q.Andit'snow2012.Doyouhaveanopinionaboutwhether,giventhefactthatsevenyearshave passed,wouldthataffecttheabilityatallofextractionwellstocompletelypreventmigrationofcontaminationtotheHudsonRiver?A.No.Q.Andisityourpositionthatextractionwellscouldcompletelypreventthemigrationof radionuclidestotheHudsonRiver?A.Throughthegroundwaterpathway,yes.Q.Andcouldmultipleextractionwellsatdifferentlocationsbeeffectiveatextractingthe 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--CROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4095radioactiveelementsfromthegroundwater?A.Theycouldbeeffective.Q.Andhowmuchvolumecouldanextractionwellactuallyextract?A.Ittotallydependsontheformationit'sin,howthewell'sdesigned,howdeepitis.It couldbeanynumber--therearetoomanyvariables.Q.OnPages35and36ofyourprefiledrebuttal--A.IhavePage35.Q.Andhere,onPages35and36,youtestifyabouttheadequacyofEntergy'sagingmanagementprogramforburiedandundergroundpipingandtanks fordetectingandpreventingfutureleaksatIndianPoint.BothyouandDr.Esselmanareattributedtothetestimonythat'sprovidedonthesepages.I wouldjustliketounderstandtheextenttowhichyouinformedthisparticulartestimony.A.IthinkI'vealreadyaddressedthat,haven'tI?Q.I'mtryingtogetasenseofitinparticularrelationtothistestimony.A.Basically,Dr.EsselmanandIdowork 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4097don't.Soit'sanaddedlineofprotection.Q.That'sallIhave.Thankyou,Mr.Barvenik.JUDGEVILLA:Redirect?MR.TRACH:Ifwecouldhaveabriefmomentwiththewitness.JUDGEVILLA:Howaboutuntil10after.MR.TRACH:Thankyou.(Recesstaken.)
JUDGEVILLA:Let'sgobackontherecord.Beforeyoustartanyredirect,Mr.Trach,I apologize:Ms.Rotini,Ialwaysforget,anycross forthiswitness?MS.ROTINI:No,YourHonor.JUDGEVILLA:JudgeO'Connell,anyquestions?JUDGEO'CONNELL:No,thankyou.
JUDGEVILLA:Mr.Trach.MR.TRACH:Thankyou.REDIRECTEXAMINATIONBYMR.TRACH:Q.Mr.Barvenik,youwereaskedsomequestionsaboutthenorthcurtaindrainassociatedwithUnit 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4098 1.A.Correct.Q.CanyoujustdescribefortheALJ'swhatexactlythenorthcurtaindrainis?A.Certainly.IfIcanmaybeusethisexhibit.Q.That'sEntergyExhibit124?A.It'snotonhere.Isit124?Q.Yes.
A.Okay.Effectively,thisisUnit1here.Thisisthecontainmentbuilding,poolhere,and thenthechemicalsystemsbuildingishere.Q.Canyoujust--sorry,wehavetokeepindicatinghere,becausewewon'tbeabletoseeyoupointinthetranscript.A.Icanactuallydrawalinewherethenorthcurtaindraingoes.Icandrawitonthefigure.
It'saroundthenuclearservicebuildingtothenorthandeast.Thenitrunseastalongthenorthsideofthevapor--orthecontainmentbuilding,untilitgetstothefuelpools.Andthenitruns alongthenorthsideofthefuelpoolsproceedingeast,untilitgetstotheeastsideofthechemical 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4099systemsbuilding,andthenrunsalongtheeastsideofthechemicalsystemsbuilding,proceedingsouth, untilitgetsabouttothemiddleofthatbuilding.Andthenthesouthcurtaindraindoesexactlythesamething,exceptontheotherside.JUDGEVILLA:CanyoujustmarkitwithNCD?THEWITNESS:Yes.Done.Q.Thankyou.
A.Sothatisthelocationofthenorthcurtaindrain.Andthenorthcurtaindrainis termedafoundationdrain.Ithascorrugated--
perforatedpipewithcrushedstonearoundit.It's laidattheverybottomofthefoundation.It'smeanttocollectwaterthatcomesinfrom,youknow,outsidethefoundation.Andifwaterleaksthrough thefoundation,itcanalsocollectthat.Andthenitbasicallypicksthatwaterup,transportsittothenuclearservicebuilding,whereitthenmovesinside,proceedingeast.Andthenitgetsintothecontainmentbuildingatthat pointbypipe.Thenitgoestoatreatmentsystemthatislocatedinsidethecontainmentbuilding, 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4100wherethatwateristreated.Andthenfromthereitgoestodischargeinthedischargecanal.JUDGEVILLA:Soit'saFrenchdrain,essentially,ontheoutside?THEWITNESS:Iwouldn'tusetheword"Frenchdrain,"butyoucouldusethat.It'sreally afoundationdrain.It'sbuiltalittledifferently,buteffectivelydoesthesamething.Itcollectsallthewateraroundhereatthat elevationorabove,andthenitdirectsittowardstreatmentandthendischargesasamonitoreddischarge.JUDGEVILLA:Thanks.
MR.SANZA:YourHonor,couldwebefurnishedwithacopyofthat?JUDGEVILLA:I'mgoingtomakecolorcopiesforeverybodyandsendthemout.MR.SANZA:Thankyou.Q.Soisitsafetosaythatthewaterthat'scollectedinthenorthcurtaindrainandthensent toprocessing,that'snotwaterthat'sdischargedto groundwater?A.No.Thatwateristakenfromgroundwater 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4101anddischargedthroughprocesstothedischargecanal.Q.Acoupleoftheexhibitsthatyouwereshownearlier,includingtheexhibitreferencingthe levelsoftritiumfoundinStormDrainA2from wash-out,referredtoelevatedlevelsoftritium.
Whenyouseereferencetoanelevatedleveloftritium,eitherinyourreportorinanEntergydocument,whatdoesthatterm"elevatedlevels"mean toyou?A."Elevated"primarilymeanslevelsthatarebiggerthanweexpect,andtypicallythatwouldthen bebiggerthantriggerlevelsthatwe'vesetbased onpastexperiencewiththesite.Sothatwelookatthosetriggerlevels--wehaveaverygoodunderstandingofthesite,andwhenweseealevel abovethosetriggerlevelssetbasedonthatunderstanding,thenitcausesustotakealookandseewhythatis,quote-unquote,"elevated."Q.Andtherewasalotofdiscussionaboutthoseelevatedlevelsoftritiuminstormdrains.Now,dothestormdrainsreleasetogroundwater?A.Generallyno,thestormdrainsreleaseto 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--REDIRECT ENTERGY)4102thedischargecanalingeneral.Q.Andthosearemonitoredreleases?A.Andthosearemonitoredreleases.Q.Youwereaskedsomequestionsatthebeginningofyourtestimonyaboutsomeofthequalitycontrolontheradionuclidetesting.A.Yes.Q.Doyourecallthat?A.Yes,Ido.
Q.Arethereanyprocessesinplacethatgiveyou--otherthantheQA/QCthatGZAdoesthatyou describedearlier,thatgiveyouconfidenceinthe accuracyofthetestingresults?A.Absolutely.ThemostimportantoneisthattherearesplitsamplestakenbyboththeNewYork DECandtheNRC,andthosesamplesaretestedin differentlabs,andthenwecomparetheresultsofthelabthatweuseversusthelabthatDECusesversusthelabthatNRCuses,andwefindthatthoselevelsallmatch.Andthatgivesusanextremelyhighdegreeofconfidencethatthelevelsare correct.Q.Now,youwereaskedsomequestionsabout 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (MATTHEW BARVENIK--RECROSS RIVERKEEPER
)4106Q.Youindicateinadditionthewaterthat'scollectedinthenorthcurtaindrainissentfortreatment,orgoestobetreated?A.Yes,itdoes.
Q.Sodoesthatmeanthatstrontiumisremovedfromit?A.Itremovessomeofthestrontium,yeah.Q.Butnotallofthestrontium?A.Notreatmenttechnologiestypicallyremoveallofthematerialthatyou'retryingtotakeout.Therearevariouslevelsofefficiencythatyoucanachieve.Q.Anddoesthewaterthat'scollectedinthenorthcurtaindraincontaintritium?A.Ithassometritium--notverymuch,butithassome.Q.Andisityourunderstandingthattritiumcan'tberemovedfromwater?A.It'snottypicallyremoved.It'sverydifficult.Q.Andyouindicatedthataftertreatment,thewateristhendischargedtothedischargecanal?A.Asamonitoreddischarge,yes.
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7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PROCEEDINGS 4107Q.SotheradionuclidesthatcollectedandwerenotabletoberemovedthroughtreatmentgotothedischargecanalandthentotheHudsonRiver?A.Yes.
Q.Thankyou.Nothingfurther.Thankyou.JUDGEVILLA:Anythingelseforthiswitness?JudgeO'Connell,anything?JUDGEO'CONNELL:No,thankyou.
JUDGEVILLA:Thankyouverymuch,sir.You'reexcused.Weneedtotakeupacoupleofexhibits.Andalso,Mr.Littlekindlypointedoutthere'san issue--Sir,youbetterstaythere,becauseyoumayhavetomakeacorrectioninyourtestimony.LookingatPage17ofthedirect,there'sareferencetoExhibit46that'sonLine22.Mr.LittlepointedoutthateitherthedateiswrongorthecorrectreferencewouldbetoExhibit8.Exhibit46isadocumentthat'sdatedMay9thof2008.Idon'tknowifyouneedaminute,Mr.Trach, totakealook.MR.TRACH:No,YourHonor.Weputin