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y f   I             DCPCSITION AND ANSWERC of Gordon Taylor, 2 called as a witness by the !!c u s t o n Lighting &
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3 Power Company, taken before Eeborah               S.       11a r p e r ,    ,
I DCPCSITION AND ANSWERC of Gordon Taylor, 2
4 Certified Shorthand Deporter in .. o d for the State 5 of Texas, in the offices of rebevoise & Liberman, 6 1200 17th Street, Wa sh i ng ton ,       D. C., on the 3rd 7 day of April, 1980, beginning at 9: 45                   a.m.,
called as a witness by the !!c u s t o n Lighting &
8 pursuant to the following stipulation and waiver 9 of counsel.
3 Power Company, taken before Eeborah S.
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4 Certified Shorthand Deporter in.. o d for the State 5
of Texas, in the offices of rebevoise & Liberman, 6
1200 17th Street, Wa sh i ng ton,
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on the 3rd 7
day of April, 1980, beginning at 9: 45 a.m.,
8 pursuant to the following stipulation and waiver 9
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11                     A P P E A R A N C E S 12 13                     Mr. J. 7. Bouknight of the law firm 14 of Pessrs. Lowenstein, Newman, Reis, Axelrad &
11 A P P E A R A N C E S 12 13 Mr.
15 Toll, 1205 Connecticut Avenue, Wa sh ing to n ,                   D. C.,
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16 and Messrs.       J. Gregory Copeland and 141 c h a e l 17 Baldwin of the law firm of Messrs. Baker & Botts, 18 Cne Shell Plaza, !!o u s t o n , Texas, appearing for 19 the Houston Lighting & Power Company.
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20 21                     Mr. Joseph     E. Knotts,   Jr.,       of the 22 law firm of Messrs. Debevoise & Libernan, 1200 23 17th Street, Wa s h i n g t o n , D. C., appearing for the 24 Texas Utilities Generating Companies.
Bouknight of the law firm 14 of Pessrs. Lowenstein, Newman, Reis, Axelrad &
15 Toll, 1205 Connecticut Avenue, Wa sh ing to n,
D.
C.,
16 and Messrs.
J.
Gregory Copeland and 141 c h a e l 17 Baldwin of the law firm of Messrs. Baker & Botts, 18 Cne Shell Plaza, !!o u s t o n, Texas, appearing for 19 the Houston Lighting & Power Company.
20 21 Mr. Joseph E.
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of the 22 law firm of Messrs. Debevoise & Libernan, 1200 23 17th Street, Wa s h i n g t o n,
D.
C.,
appearing for the 24 Texas Utilities Generating Companies.
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1                           IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and 1     2 between counsel for the respective parties hereto 3 that the deposition of CCPDON TAYLOR may be taken           ,
1 IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and 1
e at this time and place before the officer named 1     5 in the caption hereto, and that said deposition, 6 or any part thereof, ehen so taken, may be used 7 on the trial of this cause with the same force 8 and effect as if the witness were present and 9 testifying in person; 10                           THAT the necessity for preserving II objections at the t m' of taking is waived, and 12 that any and all legal objections to this 13 deposition, or any part thereof may be urged at 14 the time same is so ug h t to be offered in evidence 15 in this cause; except, however, that objections 16 to the form of the question and/or responsiveness 17 of the answer nust be made at the time of taking 18 or else such objections are specifically waived; 19                           THAT the original of this 20 deposition shall be delivered to the wi tnes s by 21 United States Mail, Registered and Return Receipt 22 Requested, and thereafter said witness shall 23 return same to the officer taking this deposition i
2 between counsel for the respective parties hereto 3
that the deposition of CCPDON TAYLOR may be taken e
at this time and place before the officer named 1
5 in the caption hereto, and that said deposition, 6
or any part thereof, ehen so taken, may be used 7
on the trial of this cause with the same force 8
and effect as if the witness were present and 9
testifying in person; 10 THAT the necessity for preserving II objections at the t m' of taking is waived, and 12 that any and all legal objections to this 13 deposition, or any part thereof may be urged at 14 the time same is so ug h t to be offered in evidence 15 in this cause; except, however, that objections 16 to the form of the question and/or responsiveness 17 of the answer nust be made at the time of taking 18 or else such objections are specifically waived; 19 THAT the original of this 20 deposition shall be delivered to the wi tnes s by 21 United States Mail, Registered and Return Receipt 22 Requested, and thereafter said witness shall 23 return same to the officer taking this deposition i
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deposition has not been signed by the witness and B
6                         GORDON TAYLOR, 7       was called as a witness by the Houston Lighting &
2 filed with said Commission, a copy may be 3
8     Power Company and, being first duly sworn by the 9       notary, testified as follows:
substituted in lie; thereof and used as though it 4
10 11                             DIRECT EXAMINATION 12 13           QUESTIONS PY MP. BOUMNIGHT:
were the original and had been signed by the 5
14               0.       Good morning, Dr. Ta yl o r .
witness.
15               A.       Goou morning, Mr. Bo u kn ig h t .
6 GORDON TAYLOR, 7
16                             MP. GREEN:     I'd like to know the 17           status of the Department's relationship to Carl 18           Stover at this point.         I haven't received any 19           response to uy letter of Parch 13, 1980.                   I'd 20           like to know if the Department has worked out 21           with Fr. Stover the problems that I identified in 22           that letter.
was called as a witness by the Houston Lighting &
l 23                             PS. CYPHERT:     I told you that when n  , 24           I had something to add to the letter, that I L
8 Power Company and, being first duly sworn by the 9
25           would contact you and I do believe you'll recall, m
notary, testified as follows:
10 11 DIRECT EXAMINATION 12 13 QUESTIONS PY MP. BOUMNIGHT:
14 0.
Good morning, Dr. Ta yl o r.
15 A.
Goou morning, Mr. Bo u kn ig h t.
16 MP. GREEN:
I'd like to know the 17 status of the Department's relationship to Carl 18 Stover at this point.
I haven't received any 19 response to uy letter of Parch 13, 1980.
I'd 20 like to know if the Department has worked out 21 with Fr. Stover the problems that I identified in l
22 that letter.
23 PS. CYPHERT:
I told you that when
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                                                            .o 3 although I don't have the letter in front of me, 1 2 that we had a telephone call between that period 3 of time in which you agreed that that arrangenent       .
.o 3
4 was perfectly satisfactory to you and when I knew 5
although I don't have the letter in front of me, 1
2 that we had a telephone call between that period 3
of time in which you agreed that that arrangenent 4
was perfectly satisfactory to you and when I knew 5
5 anything in in addition, I would let you know and I
5 anything in in addition, I would let you know and I
6 if I had any correspondence with Mr. Stover, you 1
6 if I had any correspondence with Mr. Stover, you 1
1 7 would also be sent that.     The status of that has 8 not changed.
1 7
9                 MR. GREEN:   I told you that I had l
would also be sent that.
The status of that has 8
not changed.
9 MR. GREEN:
I told you that I had l
10 no problems with your not answering our 11 interrogatory at the time because you told me you 12 had no additional information, but as I pointed 13 out to you in the phone conversation and in my 14 Ictter of March 13, 1980, it's inpossible for us 35 to take any neaningful discovery of Fr. Stover as 16 things now stand and I'd like to know when you 17 are going to provide us with a reFponse to this 18 letter.
10 no problems with your not answering our 11 interrogatory at the time because you told me you 12 had no additional information, but as I pointed 13 out to you in the phone conversation and in my 14 Ictter of March 13, 1980, it's inpossible for us 35 to take any neaningful discovery of Fr. Stover as 16 things now stand and I'd like to know when you 17 are going to provide us with a reFponse to this 18 letter.
14                 MS. CYPHERT:     Since I assume the 20 reason for the conversation is that you're               .
14 MS. CYPHERT:
1 21 planning on using the transcript in order to file         l 22 a r:. o t i o n about this, let ne say the following 23 things:   I don't have the correspondence in front 24 of ne. To that extent, I am prejudice in not 25 knowing the sequence of events.
Since I assume the 20 reason for the conversation is that you're 1
21 planning on using the transcript in order to file l
22 a r:. o t i o n about this, let ne say the following 23 things:
I don't have the correspondence in front 24 of ne.
To that extent, I am prejudice in not 25 knowing the sequence of events.
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E 3                   Let. me do say this:       Nothing has R 2 changed since the letter that I sent you or that 2 I represented to the Court.         We still intend to                       ,
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4  call Pr. Stover as a witness.         The fact that Fr.
Let. me do say this:
5 Stover is an engineer answered the fact that he G can be qualified as an expert in that regard also 7 has not changed.
Nothing has R
8                   That is a fact.       His status has not 9 changed. He is not employed by the Department of 10 Justice. I don't anticipate he's going to be 11 employed by the Justice Department in this case 32 and if and when I have additional information, 13   I'll provide it to you, Mr. Green, but I don't 14   know anything more today than at the time I sent 15   you that previous response and you can esk ne as 16   many questions as you want, but that is not going 17   to change the situation.         I think our order of i
2 changed since the letter that I sent you or that 2
18   bu iness is to go on the deposition.
I represented to the Court.
19                   MR. GREEN:     Well, I will advise you 20   right now, we want a response concerning the 21   matters raised in my March 13th letter.                             It's 22 been over two weeks since then.
We still intend to 4
23                   MS. CYPHERT:     You have had a 74 resFonse.
call Pr. Stover as a witness.
25                   MR. GREEN:     You have to file and it I
The fact that Fr.
5 Stover is an engineer answered the fact that he G
can be qualified as an expert in that regard also 7
has not changed.
8 That is a fact.
His status has not 9
changed.
He is not employed by the Department of 10 Justice.
I don't anticipate he's going to be 11 employed by the Justice Department in this case 32 and if and when I have additional information, 13 I'll provide it to you, Mr. Green, but I don't 14 know anything more today than at the time I sent 15 you that previous response and you can esk ne as 16 many questions as you want, but that is not going 17 to change the situation.
I think our order of i
18 bu iness is to go on the deposition.
19 MR. GREEN:
Well, I will advise you 20 right now, we want a response concerning the 21 matters raised in my March 13th letter.
It's 22 been over two weeks since then.
23 MS. CYPHERT:
You have had a 74 resFonse.
25 MR. GREEN:
You have to file and it I
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x            1     is totally unacceptable for you to say you have 2   no idea what this man is going to testify about, l
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3   what documents he has and what his role is going                                   ,
2 no idea what this man is going to testify about, l
1 4   to be in this litigation.                   That's absolutely 5   absurd at this point.
3 what documents he has and what his role is going 1
6                                 MR. BOUKNIGHT: Miss Cyphert, is it
4 to be in this litigation.
  .,          7    your position that you can call and oualify as an 01 8   expert witness a person who instead of being 9   employed by you, has simply been subpoenaed by you and clicit opinion testimony from him?                                             l 10 I       11                                     MS. CYPHER 7:   Mr. Pouknight, I l
That's absolutely 5
l 12       think if there is something specific that you 13       want to ask me, the proper way of doing that is 14       in some type of pleading and I will respond to it.
absurd at this point.
15       I think we're here to take the Doctor's                                   --
6 MR. BOUKNIGHT: Miss Cyphert, is it 7
I 16       responded to the letter that Mr. Green refers to 17       and he was satisfied at the time.
your position that you can call and oualify as an 01 8
18                                     HR. GREEN:   You did not respond to 19       that letter.                 You have never given me a response.
expert witness a person who instead of being 9
20                                     PS. CYPHERT:   The conversation, 21       gentlemen, is concluded now.                   I'm not going to 22       sit here and argue with you this morning.
employed by you, has simply been subpoenaed by 10 you and clicit opinion testimony from him?
23                                   MP. GREEN:   Well, I'm going to 24   correct your misrepresentations on the record.                                 I I         25   have never received a single response.
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l 11 MS. CYPHER 7:
Mr. Pouknight, I l
12 think if there is something specific that you 13 want to ask me, the proper way of doing that is 14 in some type of pleading and I will respond to it.
15 I think we're here to take the Doctor's I
16 responded to the letter that Mr. Green refers to 17 and he was satisfied at the time.
18 HR. GREEN:
You did not respond to 19 that letter.
You have never given me a response.
20 PS. CYPHERT:
The conversation, 21 gentlemen, is concluded now.
I'm not going to 22 sit here and argue with you this morning.
23 MP. GREEN:
Well, I'm going to 24 correct your misrepresentations on the record.
I I
25 have never received a single response.
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li 1                 MS. CYPHrRT:                 You received a phone 2 call fron me, Fr. Creen.
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l 3                 MR. GRFEN:               I received a phone call l                                                                                            ,
MS. CYPHrRT:
4 from you which was way back about two days 5 previous to that, March 11.
You received a phone 2
6                 MS. CYPHERT:               That's incorrect.
call fron me, Fr. Creen.
7                 MR. GREEN:               Acco rd i ng to your own 8 letter.
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9                 f1 S . CYPHERT:             That's incorrect.
3 MR. GRFEN:
10       There was a subsequent telephone call.
I received a phone call 4
11                       MP. CREEN:             No t with regard to 12     response to ny Farch 13 letter.
from you which was way back about two days 5
13                       MS. CYPHERT:               Indeed, there was.
previous to that, March 11.
14                     MR. GREEP:             What is your response, 15   how have you resolved the metters we raised in 16 that letter?
6 MS. CYPHERT:
17                   MS. C Y P11 E R T :         I have no additional 18 information to provide you other than what you lo have in the pieces of paper before you.
That's incorrect.
20                   MR. COPELAND:                   I'n going to go ct.11 21 Calt right now.
7 MR. GREEN:
22                   .v R . E C Ult t? I G H T :           Okay.
Acco rd i ng to your own 8
23                     PR. GREEN:             I take it you're not 24 going to respond to Mr. Eouknight's question to 25  you?
letter.
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9 f1 S. CYPHERT:
That's incorrect.
10 There was a subsequent telephone call.
11 MP. CREEN:
No t with regard to 12 response to ny Farch 13 letter.
13 MS. CYPHERT:
Indeed, there was.
14 MR. GREEP:
What is your response, 15 how have you resolved the metters we raised in 16 that letter?
17 MS. C Y P11 E R T :
I have no additional 18 information to provide you other than what you lo have in the pieces of paper before you.
20 MR. COPELAND:
I'n going to go ct.11 21 Calt right now.
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Okay.
23 PR. GREEN:
I take it you're not 24 going to respond to Mr. Eouknight's question to L_----------INTERMATIO 25 you?
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I                   MS. CYFHERT:     I have no additional 2 i n f o rnia tio n to give you other than what I gave 3 you in that piece of paper.
I MS. CYFHERT:
l 4                     PR. BOUKNICHT:     Co you recall the 5 question that I asked you?
I have no additional 2
l     6                   MS. CYPHERT:     Lo n , I have a feeling 7 that for some reason, I'm being set up.           I don't 8 have any pieces of paper in front of me.           You 9 asked ne a particular question that I feel that 10 we answered in interrogatory response.
i n f o rnia tio n to give you other than what I gave l
11                     In all fairness, I think the 12 conversation is concluded.           If there is something l
3 you in that piece of paper.
13 you're planning to impeach me w '. t h , I haven't 1       14   talked to Mr. Calt, if you can find some                       :
4 PR. BOUKNICHT:
15   infornation about him that's going to g iv e you l
Co you recall the 5
16   some light on this, go pursue that.
question that I asked you?
17                     MP. SOUKNIGHT:       The only reason         !
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18   that I injected myself at all into it was not to i
MS. CYPHERT:
19   set you up or inpeach you or anything else.           The l       20   background of this is that you mentioned in an 21     interrogatory response that might well call Carl 22   Ctover as an expert witness.
Lo n, I have a feeling 7
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4    expert wi4 ness, but yo u s ug g e s t e d that a few 5   5   minutes ago and that prompted ny question and the 6   question wa s purely extenporaneous.                           If you have 7   anything       --
taking the position that you could simply G
S                .        MS. CYPHERT:           Mr. Stover is who he 9   is. The rederal E ul e s are what they are.
2 subpoena Mr. F.tover, bring hin in and elicit 3
10                           MP. BOUKNIGHT: And you are what you E 11     are. All r.i g h t . Shall we proceed with the 12     deposition?
opinion testimony without retaining him as an 4
13                           MS. CYPHERT:           I think,that might be 14     more fruitful.
expert wi4 ness, but yo u s ug g e s t e d that a few 5
15                           MR. BOUKNIGHT:               When Mr. Co pel a nd 16     returns, perhaps he'll have more information.
5 minutes ago and that prompted ny question and the 6
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question wa s purely extenporaneous.
17         0         11a v e you prepared an outline of your 18     testimony in this proceeding?
If you have 7
i 19         A.       No , I have not.
anything S
l 20         Q.       Have you prepared a draft of your                                   '
MS. CYPHERT:
21     testimony?
Mr. Stover is who he 9
22         A.       No.
is.
23         0         What do yo u have in mind now as the 24     scope of your testimony?
The rederal E ul e s are what they are.
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All r.i g h t.
Shall we proceed with the 12 deposition?
13 MS. CYPHERT:
I think,that might be 14 more fruitful.
15 MR. BOUKNIGHT:
When Mr. Co pel a nd 16 returns, perhaps he'll have more information.
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No, I have not.
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Have you prepared a draft of your 21 testimony?
22 A.
No.
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I expect to testify on conpetition, l
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1 area and therefore, cannot as reedily compete to I supply themselves with wholesale power and I 2 think that the Tex-La of Texas cooperatives are                 -
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4  frustrated in their attempts to a obtain their E     5 own supplles of bulk power to supply themselves 6 with wholesale power by having to operate in 7
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either one or the other of the two markets and 8 not having continuous access to both 9 sinultaneously.
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10                       HR. B O U K N IGilT : Ms. Cyphert, I think II   we reached the time when we assured you we would 12   break.
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with wholesale power by having to operate in 7
16 17                       MR. COPELANC:       I have spoken with le   Fr. Jay Galt who is the personal attorney for Fr.
either one or the other of the two markets and 8
19   Stover and     C. H. Cuernsey, Mr. Stover's enployer.
not having continuous access to both 9
l   20   I u n d e r s t a r'd that you had a meetino with Mr.
sinultaneously.
21   Stcver this week in Austin and offered to enploy 22   Mr. Stover anc he told you thet he was not 23   available for employment for whatever reasons and 24   that therefore, he is not being retained by the 25   de pa r tmen t as an expert witness.
10 HR.
B O U K N IGilT : Ms. Cyphert, I think II we reached the time when we assured you we would 12 break.
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All right.
14 15 (Luncheon Recess.)
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COPELANC:
I have spoken with le Fr. Jay Galt who is the personal attorney for Fr.
19 Stover and C.
H.
Cuernsey, Mr. Stover's enployer.
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21 Stcver this week in Austin and offered to enploy 22 Mr. Stover anc he told you thet he was not 23 available for employment for whatever reasons and 24 that therefore, he is not being retained by the 25 de pa r tmen t as an expert witness.
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!      I            Mr. Galt, Mr. Stover's lawyer told me 5     2   that if I were try to re depose Mr. Stover, that l   3 he, Mr. Galt, would agein instruct him not to
Mr. Galt, Mr. Stover's lawyer told me 5
        /. answer any questions about his expert opinion 5       5 rince he had not been retained and paid as an h       6 export witness and that if yc u remenber, C. II .
2 that if I were try to re depose Mr. Stover, that l
7 Cuernsey was not going to produce the studies 8 that M. Stover has been doing for the power l   9 procurcment group which we have also attempted to 10   obtain th ro ug h Mr . We t ze l and Mr. McGinnes.
3 he, Mr. Galt, would agein instruct him not to
IJ                   I think for that reason that we are J2   placed in an absolutely Ira po s s i b l e position to be 12   at:1 e to depose Mr. Stover as to his expert 14   opinion in this case and I'n not sure yet what's 15   appropriate for us to do, but ue would probably 16   be filing a supplemental motion to our motion to l     17   1. a v e Mr. betzel stricken from the witness list.
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IP   I just wanted to put yo u on notice on what I had g  19   found out.
answer any questions about his expert opinion 5
20                   MS. CYPHERT:   I don't dispute 21   anything that Fr. Galt has told you with the g     22   execption there is information Mr. Stover did 23   indicate that under the current time constraints i
5 rince he had not been retained and paid as an h
2t   of the trial, he would be uncble to be employed g     25   by the repartment and it was my understanding his 1
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9 procurcment group which we have also attempted to 10 obtain th ro ug h Mr. We t ze l and Mr. McGinnes.
IJ I think for that reason that we are J2 placed in an absolutely Ira po s s i b l e position to be 12 at:1 e to depose Mr. Stover as to his expert 14 opinion in this case and I'n not sure yet what's 15 appropriate for us to do, but ue would probably 16 be filing a supplemental motion to our motion to l
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IP I just wanted to put yo u on notice on what I had 19 found out.
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22 execption there is information Mr. Stover did 23 indicate that under the current time constraints i
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2sg I principal reason related to other activities that 2 he has engaged in between now and the time of the 3 current trial date and we did leave open the 4 option that we would discuss it with him if that B 5 trial date changed, so I have no additfoaal 6 knowledge as to whether he wil] in the future 7 d e pend i ng on the current notion before the Eoard                   i P right now, be able or consider being a con s ul ta n t l 9 for the Department.
I principal reason related to other activities that 2
10                 MR. COPELAND:         Well, is it yo u r B 13 position then that you are no longer planning to h 12 call hin as an expert wi tn e s s at this time?
he has engaged in between now and the time of the 3
13                 MS. CYPETRT:         I have not changed my 14 opinion from shat I stated in a letter to Mr.
current trial date and we did leave open the 4
15 Creen and to the Board, two things in the motion.
option that we would discuss it with him if that B
16 One, Mr. Stover is who he is and two, we believe 17 that he has credentials that nahe hin subject to 16 being qualified on the stand as an export.
5 trial date changed, so I have no additfoaal 6
39                 i' P . COPELAND:       Eo you understand 20 that I tried to take his deposition and his 21 lawyer wouldn't let ne depose hin?
knowledge as to whether he wil] in the future 7
22                 MS. C Y P!! E R T :   I understand that.
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23                 MD. COPELAND:         Ev you have any 24 suggestion as to what I can do about it.
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12 call hin as an expert wi tn e s s at this time?
13 MS. CYPETRT:
I have not changed my 14 opinion from shat I stated in a letter to Mr.
15 Creen and to the Board, two things in the motion.
16 One, Mr. Stover is who he is and two, we believe 17 that he has credentials that nahe hin subject to 16 being qualified on the stand as an export.
39 i' P. COPELAND:
Eo you understand 20 that I tried to take his deposition and his 21 lawyer wouldn't let ne depose hin?
22 MS. C Y P!! E R T :
I understand that.
23 MD. COPELAND:
Ev you have any 24 suggestion as to what I can do about it.
25 MS. C Y P li E D 'I :
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9                                 I responded to him with a letter on 10                       Farch 13th.     fi e c a u s e of the infoimation contained 11                       in Mr. Green's response, I called him back late 32                       in the day on the 13th and left a message.                     I was 13                     i n f o r.a e d as ny calender shows that his secretary 14                     said that he had left for the day.               My records 15                     also indicate that Mr. Creen called me back on 16                     the 14th of ticrch subsequent to the 17                     correspondence we had which wa s contrary to what 19                     he had on the record yesterday and at that time, 19                     I told 1: r . Green that if I had eny additional 20                     connunication with Fr. Stover which would lead ne 21                   to bclieve that he could nake a concitment as to 22                   being an expert witners for us, I would let him 23                   know.
9 I responded to him with a letter on 10 Farch 13th.
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do so.
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1 hat's the only thing I hcve to say, too 5
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and here we are.
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22     Harris.
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23                               PP. CCPELAND:     Ms. harris wa s the 24     lead lawycr on this case at the tine we took the 25     deFosition.
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2                         notice for some time that my intention regarding 3                         Mr. Stover ney be different than those of Ps.
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      'l n  6                         objection to doing that and if you wish to compel 7                         him to ride the testinony and the documents that 6                         you are interested in having, the De pa r tm en t will 9                         ta ke that under advisement at the time.
Mr. Stover ney be different than those of Ps.
10                                                   k' e are filing a response to your 11                         notion to Mr. McGinnes and I expect that will be                             -
4 ita r r i s.
12                           filed probably Monday or Tuesday.
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13                                                   MF. BOURNIGHT:             I suppose the other l
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14                         natter which I would raise at this time is that I                                 i 15                         cc very nuch troubled by your coming in here 16                           today in Mr.           Creen's absence and naking a record 17                           s t a t e r. e n t based upon apparently your own notes                       ,,
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21                                                   I think it would have been much 22                         more a li p r o p r i a t e for you to have continued this 23                           dialogue while Mr. Green wa s here and I don't 24                           want any silence on ttis side of the table to 25                           indicate any acquiescence in the accuracy or II:T TR N AT I O t: A L COURT RTP('RTERS, IFC.
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21 I think it would have been much 22 more a li p r o p r i a t e for you to have continued this 23 dialogue while Mr. Green wa s here and I don't 24 want any silence on ttis side of the table to 25 indicate any acquiescence in the accuracy or II:T TR N AT I O t: A L COURT RTP('RTERS, IFC.
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7 0                     MP. FNOTTS:           Mr. Eouknight informs 9 they that he hasn't quite suspended his time to 10 ne yet.
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11                     MR. E Q U I'N I G II T : Mr. Green, yo u may 12 proceed.
MP. FNOTTS:
13                     MP. GPEEN:           Ms. Cyphert, I 14 understand that in my ehsence, you made some 15 representations about telephone conversations 15 between you and me.             I wasn't here, of course, to 17 hear precisely what you said.                 I've had reported 18 to me what you said.
Mr. Eouknight informs 9
I 19                     Let ne say this:           If yo u wi l l 20 represent to us that you have documents shouing 21 dates of telephone conversations between us, I an l
they that he hasn't quite suspended his time to 10 ne yet.
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11 MR. E Q U I'N I G II T :
23 of those repr esen ta tions and will stand corrected.
Mr. Green, yo u may 12 proceed.
24                     However, I must say that I have ll 25 never received a response that deals with or l
13 MP. GPEEN:
Ms. Cyphert, I 14 understand that in my ehsence, you made some 15 representations about telephone conversations 15 between you and me.
I wasn't here, of course, to 17 hear precisely what you said.
I've had reported 18 to me what you said.
I 19 Let ne say this:
If yo u wi l l 20 represent to us that you have documents shouing 21 dates of telephone conversations between us, I an l
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23 of those repr esen ta tions and will stand corrected.
24 However, I must say that I have ll 25 never received a response that deals with or l
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to do that when I was present to hear what yo u l   9 had to ssy.
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11 response is when you started spilling specifics 12   on ne ye ste rday no rning , I would have liked to 13   find the optortunity to have the papers in front 14   of rie as well as a calendar.       Lo n , do you have a 15   question that is pending for the witness?
repre senta cions about our telephone conversations, 8
16                   MR. BCURNICHT:     No , I don't. As we 17   discussed, the procedure that Mr. I:n o t t s and I 18   have agreed upon and I believe it's your 19   suggestion is that fr. Knotts will proceed with 70   some questions now.       I will resune tonorrow 21   norning and that vill enable Mr. ::no t t s to 27   accommodate the f am il y conra i tn e n t s that he has 23   tomorrow.
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24                   FR. FNOTTS:     Well, et least to take 25   a shot at it.
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Lo n, do you have a 15 question that is pending for the witness?
16 MR. BCURNICHT:
No, I don't.
As we 17 discussed, the procedure that Mr. I:n o t t s and I 18 have agreed upon and I believe it's your 19 suggestion is that fr. Knotts will proceed with 70 some questions now.
I will resune tonorrow 21 norning and that vill enable Mr. ::no t t s to 27 accommodate the f am il y conra i tn e n t s that he has 23 tomorrow.
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Deposition Re C Stover Expert Testimony.Pp 2-11,256-261 & 304-305,Exhibit E
ML19309H084
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Site: South Texas, Comanche Peak  
Issue date: 04/03/1980
From: Gabe Taylor
HOUSTON LIGHTING & POWER CO.
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NRC Docket Nos.

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I DCPCSITION AND ANSWERC of Gordon Taylor, 2

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4 Certified Shorthand Deporter in.. o d for the State 5

of Texas, in the offices of rebevoise & Liberman, 6

1200 17th Street, Wa sh i ng ton,

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on the 3rd 7

day of April, 1980, beginning at 9: 45 a.m.,

8 pursuant to the following stipulation and waiver 9

of counsel.

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11 A P P E A R A N C E S 12 13 Mr.

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Bouknight of the law firm 14 of Pessrs. Lowenstein, Newman, Reis, Axelrad &

15 Toll, 1205 Connecticut Avenue, Wa sh ing to n,

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16 and Messrs.

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Gregory Copeland and 141 c h a e l 17 Baldwin of the law firm of Messrs. Baker & Botts, 18 Cne Shell Plaza, !!o u s t o n, Texas, appearing for 19 the Houston Lighting & Power Company.

20 21 Mr. Joseph E.

Knotts, Jr.,

of the 22 law firm of Messrs. Debevoise & Libernan, 1200 23 17th Street, Wa s h i n g t o n,

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appearing for the 24 Texas Utilities Generating Companies.

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Box 14141, Wa s h i ng to n,

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6 firm of Messrs. Northcutt, Ely, Wa t e rg a t e 600 7

Building, Wa sh i ng t o n,

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20037, appearing for 8

Tex-La Electric Cooperative.

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at this time and place before the officer named 1

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or any part thereof, ehen so taken, may be used 7

on the trial of this cause with the same force 8

and effect as if the witness were present and 9

testifying in person; 10 THAT the necessity for preserving II objections at the t m' of taking is waived, and 12 that any and all legal objections to this 13 deposition, or any part thereof may be urged at 14 the time same is so ug h t to be offered in evidence 15 in this cause; except, however, that objections 16 to the form of the question and/or responsiveness 17 of the answer nust be made at the time of taking 18 or else such objections are specifically waived; 19 THAT the original of this 20 deposition shall be delivered to the wi tnes s by 21 United States Mail, Registered and Return Receipt 22 Requested, and thereafter said witness shall 23 return same to the officer taking this deposition i

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substituted in lie; thereof and used as though it 4

were the original and had been signed by the 5

witness.

6 GORDON TAYLOR, 7

was called as a witness by the Houston Lighting &

8 Power Company and, being first duly sworn by the 9

notary, testified as follows:

10 11 DIRECT EXAMINATION 12 13 QUESTIONS PY MP. BOUMNIGHT:

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Good morning, Dr. Ta yl o r.

15 A.

Goou morning, Mr. Bo u kn ig h t.

16 MP. GREEN:

I'd like to know the 17 status of the Department's relationship to Carl 18 Stover at this point.

I haven't received any 19 response to uy letter of Parch 13, 1980.

I'd 20 like to know if the Department has worked out 21 with Fr. Stover the problems that I identified in l

22 that letter.

23 PS. CYPHERT:

I told you that when

, 24 I had something to add to the letter, that I n

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although I don't have the letter in front of me, 1

2 that we had a telephone call between that period 3

of time in which you agreed that that arrangenent 4

was perfectly satisfactory to you and when I knew 5

5 anything in in addition, I would let you know and I

6 if I had any correspondence with Mr. Stover, you 1

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would also be sent that.

The status of that has 8

not changed.

9 MR. GREEN:

I told you that I had l

10 no problems with your not answering our 11 interrogatory at the time because you told me you 12 had no additional information, but as I pointed 13 out to you in the phone conversation and in my 14 Ictter of March 13, 1980, it's inpossible for us 35 to take any neaningful discovery of Fr. Stover as 16 things now stand and I'd like to know when you 17 are going to provide us with a reFponse to this 18 letter.

14 MS. CYPHERT:

Since I assume the 20 reason for the conversation is that you're 1

21 planning on using the transcript in order to file l

22 a r:. o t i o n about this, let ne say the following 23 things:

I don't have the correspondence in front 24 of ne.

To that extent, I am prejudice in not 25 knowing the sequence of events.

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Let. me do say this:

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2 changed since the letter that I sent you or that 2

I represented to the Court.

We still intend to 4

call Pr. Stover as a witness.

The fact that Fr.

5 Stover is an engineer answered the fact that he G

can be qualified as an expert in that regard also 7

has not changed.

8 That is a fact.

His status has not 9

changed.

He is not employed by the Department of 10 Justice.

I don't anticipate he's going to be 11 employed by the Justice Department in this case 32 and if and when I have additional information, 13 I'll provide it to you, Mr. Green, but I don't 14 know anything more today than at the time I sent 15 you that previous response and you can esk ne as 16 many questions as you want, but that is not going 17 to change the situation.

I think our order of i

18 bu iness is to go on the deposition.

19 MR. GREEN:

Well, I will advise you 20 right now, we want a response concerning the 21 matters raised in my March 13th letter.

It's 22 been over two weeks since then.

23 MS. CYPHERT:

You have had a 74 resFonse.

25 MR. GREEN:

You have to file and it I

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2 no idea what this man is going to testify about, l

3 what documents he has and what his role is going 1

4 to be in this litigation.

That's absolutely 5

absurd at this point.

6 MR. BOUKNIGHT: Miss Cyphert, is it 7

your position that you can call and oualify as an 01 8

expert witness a person who instead of being 9

employed by you, has simply been subpoenaed by 10 you and clicit opinion testimony from him?

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Mr. Pouknight, I l

12 think if there is something specific that you 13 want to ask me, the proper way of doing that is 14 in some type of pleading and I will respond to it.

15 I think we're here to take the Doctor's I

16 responded to the letter that Mr. Green refers to 17 and he was satisfied at the time.

18 HR. GREEN:

You did not respond to 19 that letter.

You have never given me a response.

20 PS. CYPHERT:

The conversation, 21 gentlemen, is concluded now.

I'm not going to 22 sit here and argue with you this morning.

23 MP. GREEN:

Well, I'm going to 24 correct your misrepresentations on the record.

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25 have never received a single response.

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MS. CYPHrRT:

You received a phone 2

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3 MR. GRFEN:

I received a phone call 4

from you which was way back about two days 5

previous to that, March 11.

6 MS. CYPHERT:

That's incorrect.

7 MR. GREEN:

Acco rd i ng to your own 8

letter.

9 f1 S. CYPHERT:

That's incorrect.

10 There was a subsequent telephone call.

11 MP. CREEN:

No t with regard to 12 response to ny Farch 13 letter.

13 MS. CYPHERT:

Indeed, there was.

14 MR. GREEP:

What is your response, 15 how have you resolved the metters we raised in 16 that letter?

17 MS. C Y P11 E R T :

I have no additional 18 information to provide you other than what you lo have in the pieces of paper before you.

20 MR. COPELAND:

I'n going to go ct.11 21 Calt right now.

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Okay.

23 PR. GREEN:

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I have no additional 2

i n f o rnia tio n to give you other than what I gave l

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4 PR. BOUKNICHT:

Co you recall the 5

question that I asked you?

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MS. CYPHERT:

Lo n, I have a feeling 7

that for some reason, I'm being set up.

I don't 8

have any pieces of paper in front of me.

You 9

asked ne a particular question that I feel that 10 we answered in interrogatory response.

11 In all fairness, I think the 12 conversation is concluded.

If there is something l

13 you're planning to impeach me w '. t h, I haven't 1

14 talked to Mr. Calt, if you can find some 15 infornation about him that's going to g iv e you l

16 some light on this, go pursue that.

17 MP. SOUKNIGHT:

The only reason 18 that I injected myself at all into it was not to i

19 set you up or inpeach you or anything else.

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20 background of this is that you mentioned in an 21 interrogatory response that might well call Carl 22 Ctover as an expert witness.

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opinion testimony without retaining him as an 4

expert wi4 ness, but yo u s ug g e s t e d that a few 5

5 minutes ago and that prompted ny question and the 6

question wa s purely extenporaneous.

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anything S

MS. CYPHERT:

Mr. Stover is who he 9

is.

The rederal E ul e s are what they are.

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All r.i g h t.

Shall we proceed with the 12 deposition?

13 MS. CYPHERT:

I think,that might be 14 more fruitful.

15 MR. BOUKNIGHT:

When Mr. Co pel a nd 16 returns, perhaps he'll have more information.

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11a v e you prepared an outline of your 18 testimony in this proceeding?

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No, I have not.

20 Q.

Have you prepared a draft of your 21 testimony?

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with wholesale power by having to operate in 7

either one or the other of the two markets and 8

not having continuous access to both 9

sinultaneously.

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B O U K N IGilT : Ms. Cyphert, I think II we reached the time when we assured you we would 12 break.

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CY Pl!E R T :

All right.

14 15 (Luncheon Recess.)

16 17 MR.

COPELANC:

I have spoken with le Fr. Jay Galt who is the personal attorney for Fr.

19 Stover and C.

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Cuernsey, Mr. Stover's enployer.

l 20 I u n d e r s t a r'd that you had a meetino with Mr.

21 Stcver this week in Austin and offered to enploy 22 Mr. Stover anc he told you thet he was not 23 available for employment for whatever reasons and 24 that therefore, he is not being retained by the 25 de pa r tmen t as an expert witness.

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Mr. Galt, Mr. Stover's lawyer told me 5

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that M.

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9 procurcment group which we have also attempted to 10 obtain th ro ug h Mr. We t ze l and Mr. McGinnes.

IJ I think for that reason that we are J2 placed in an absolutely Ira po s s i b l e position to be 12 at:1 e to depose Mr. Stover as to his expert 14 opinion in this case and I'n not sure yet what's 15 appropriate for us to do, but ue would probably 16 be filing a supplemental motion to our motion to l

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1. a v e Mr. betzel stricken from the witness list.

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knowledge as to whether he wil] in the future 7

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12 call hin as an expert wi tn e s s at this time?

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I have not changed my 14 opinion from shat I stated in a letter to Mr.

15 Creen and to the Board, two things in the motion.

16 One, Mr. Stover is who he is and two, we believe 17 that he has credentials that nahe hin subject to 16 being qualified on the stand as an export.

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Eo you understand 20 that I tried to take his deposition and his 21 lawyer wouldn't let ne depose hin?

22 MS. C Y P!! E R T :

I understand that.

23 MD. COPELAND:

Ev you have any 24 suggestion as to what I can do about it.

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4 proper sequence or chronology of e v e r. t s that Pr.

5 Creen spoke chout yesterday norning and contrary 6

to Mr. Green's recollection, we did have a

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ne on March 12th.

9 I responded to him with a letter on 10 Farch 13th.

fi e c a u s e of the infoimation contained 11 in Mr. Green's response, I called him back late 32 in the day on the 13th and left a message.

I was 13 i n f o r.a e d as ny calender shows that his secretary 14 said that he had left for the day.

My records 15 also indicate that Mr. Creen called me back on 16 the 14th of ticrch subsequent to the 17 correspondence we had which wa s contrary to what 19 he had on the record yesterday and at that time, 19 I told 1: r. Green that if I had eny additional 20 connunication with Fr. Stover which would lead ne 21 to bclieve that he could nake a concitment as to 22 being an expert witners for us, I would let him 23 know.

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10 that I am conmitted that I can not ask him en 17 opinion question on the stand.

18 MR. COPrLAND:

Tven tho ug h M.s.

If Parris objected to my asking hin expert opinion 20-quentions.

Pl kB 21 MS. CYFHEPT:

I c a r, ' t speak for Ms.

22 Harris.

23 PP. CCPELAND:

Ms.

harris wa s the 24 lead lawycr on this case at the tine we took the 25 deFosition.

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Mr. Stover ney be different than those of Ps.

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again, as I stated in t'he letter, I heve no

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7 him to ride the testinony and the documents that 6

you are interested in having, the De pa r tm en t will 9

ta ke that under advisement at the time.

10 k' e are filing a response to your 11 notion to Mr. McGinnes and I expect that will be 12 filed probably Monday or Tuesday.

13 MF. BOURNIGHT:

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14 natter which I would raise at this time is that I i

15 cc very nuch troubled by your coming in here 16 today in Mr.

Creen's absence and naking a record 17 s t a t e r. e n t based upon apparently your own notes 18 which you have stated today contradict something 19 that or. Green said to you on the rocord 20 yesterday.

21 I think it would have been much 22 more a li p r o p r i a t e for you to have continued this 23 dialogue while Mr. Green wa s here and I don't 24 want any silence on ttis side of the table to 25 indicate any acquiescence in the accuracy or II:T TR N AT I O t: A L COURT RTP('RTERS, IFC.

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MR. B O U K N I C lit :

You're very kind.

2 This would be a good time fo r a break.

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(Discussion off the record.)

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MP. FNOTTS:

Mr. Eouknight informs 9

they that he hasn't quite suspended his time to 10 ne yet.

11 MR. E Q U I'N I G II T :

Mr. Green, yo u may 12 proceed.

13 MP. GPEEN:

Ms. Cyphert, I 14 understand that in my ehsence, you made some 15 representations about telephone conversations 15 between you and me.

I wasn't here, of course, to 17 hear precisely what you said.

I've had reported 18 to me what you said.

I 19 Let ne say this:

If yo u wi l l 20 represent to us that you have documents shouing 21 dates of telephone conversations between us, I an l

l 22 not coing to quarrel with you as to the accuracy 1

23 of those repr esen ta tions and will stand corrected.

24 However, I must say that I have ll 25 never received a response that deals with or l

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5 would have been a better procedure if you were 6

going to tr/ and correct the record or make 7

repre senta cions about our telephone conversations, 8

to do that when I was present to hear what yo u l

9 had to ssy.

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11 response is when you started spilling specifics 12 on ne ye ste rday no rning, I would have liked to 13 find the optortunity to have the papers in front 14 of rie as well as a calendar.

Lo n, do you have a 15 question that is pending for the witness?

16 MR. BCURNICHT:

No, I don't.

As we 17 discussed, the procedure that Mr. I:n o t t s and I 18 have agreed upon and I believe it's your 19 suggestion is that fr. Knotts will proceed with 70 some questions now.

I will resune tonorrow 21 norning and that vill enable Mr. ::no t t s to 27 accommodate the f am il y conra i tn e n t s that he has 23 tomorrow.

24 FR. FNOTTS:

Well, et least to take 25 a shot at it.

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