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Transcript of 870812 Meeting W/Fema & Util in Concord,Nh. Pp 1-37.Supporting Documentation Encl.Related Correspondence

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3 MR. THOMAS:

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to thank Dick Strong for hosting this meeting of the Federal 6

Emergency Management Agency, the.New Hampshire Yankee i

7 Divisionlof the.Public. Service Company'of New Hampshire, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

9 We're here this morning to talk about off site 10 emergency planning for the Seabrook Nuclear Power Station'.

11 What we'd like to do at this time is to ask everyone

'12 at the table and everyone'in.the room to. introduce themselves and for that purpose we will now go off record.

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15 (Back on the record.)

16 MR. THOMAS:

Back on the record.

I'd like to emphasize that this is a meeting of 18 four agencies and requested by the State of New Hampshire so 19 that they can provide information to FEMA and to receive o

technical assistance and guidance on emergency planning.

'1 Because this matter is in litigation FEMA 22 aunsel has determined that it was proper to invite presence 23 of the parties to the Seabrook proceedings and, in addition, t

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3 ~ - 1 DL f l FEMA will be sharing this meeting. A transcript l' 'is being made and will be made available to -the parties t:ct i L. ) 'the proceedings.. FEMA.is.representediby counsel ~who will be. L 3 '4 trying to listen in on the phone. 15 FEMA'has no published regulations concerning the. condu'et of this type of meeting so'I will be using a rule of. 6-reasonableness in managing.'The participants will speak-one-7 1 In. case two people 8 at a time and in an orderly fashion. h wish to speak at'once the Chair will indicate which of them 9 10 - J is to speak. 11 in the interest of efficiency and-In addition, openness the parties to the Seabrook proceedings may, if. 12 they feel it necessary, obtain clarification and ask' 13 Press inquiries must be held until after the h) 14 questions. 15 meeting.- l l FEMA Public Information Officer, Kenneth Horack-16 u -- Ken, can you please identify yourself again -- will be 17 speaking for FEMA after the meeting if there are.any. 18 19 questions. 20 If there is a party who is not a participant to this meeting, has questions, please raise your hand and I 21 will acknowledge you as quickly as possible, but, please 22 this is'not an opportunity for additional 23 understand that into a debate. If questions from 24 discovery or a time to get 25 to delay the meeting I will limit j l. (}l the non-participants start APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

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L Thank you again, Dick, for your gracious.

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.3 hostessing of the meeting. We will be following an agenda 4 prepared by New Hampshire Emergency Management Agency except 5 to Item Number.Three, counsel y -I~. note thatuwith respect advises me that FEMA'will be able to say nothing on this ] 6-7 matter beyond stating our regulations and' procedures because 8 it was noticed-in the notice that went out of this meeting, t -9 Henry Vickers will be shortly joining us from -10 FEMA and when he comes in I will take that opportunity of asking if.he has requests; he regrets that he was unable to 11 12 be here on time'. 13 With that I'd like to turn the meeting over to .s Dick. It's your show. MR. STROME: All right, thank'you very much, Ed. I'd like to add my words of appreciation to all of you who 16 i have come to this meeting to assist us in this process of l 17 8 to the New 18 determining what needs to be done with respect 19 Hampshire Emergency Response Plan. 20 I think most of you who know me, know the reason 21 I hosted this meeting is because I like to get as many that It's people into the State of New Hampshire as possible. 22 good for our ectaomy and I intend in the future to ask that 23 we hold all these meetings with all these people here in tl.e 24 25 State of New Hampshire. Please bring lots of money and (_, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Report:rs (617) 426 3077

O j I . spend as muchL asLyou possibl'y can while you're here. 12 ~ With that I'd like to get into the agenda itself! 3

and tell you', Ed, that the New Hampshire Radiological' Emergency Response Plan we'think is in' pretty good l

d-l 5. condition at the present time. We have looked very closely 6' at'the RAC comments.and they're currently being staffed. We-7L are confident that the RAC comments that have been provided 8 to us by'you and the RAC have been adequately addressed in 1 9 'every single. instance. There is.still some work-to be done 10 ' with respect toothem, however, and we're going to continue 1 11 that' process'and when my staff tells me that we're ready to 12 submit and discuss them again with you, why,-we will be 13-providing those~ responses to you. i la Withfthat, unless you have some specific a

15 questions with respect to them, I'd like to move right into-i I

16 area number.two on the agenda. i 17 MR. THOMAS: -Just one point. With respect to_the RAC 18 comments, they are, as of today, out of date. Of-course, q i 19 with respect to medical facilities we have a new guidance l 20 memorandum that's been published on medical' facilities and j 21 that requires that any plans that are submitted after this 22-date have additional arrangements on medical facilities. L 23 MR, STROME: Yes, and we're aware of that, Ed, 24 and, as a matter of fact, are working that process with i l h JV 25 respect to the new guidance memorandum. So, hopefully, when J APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters l (617) 426-3077 L_______z____-_-_- )

G 1 1 that process is complete it will reflect the guidance that's 2 outlined from FEMA headquarters. 3 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. Do you have'any 4 l schedule that you can provide to us at this time? 5 MR. STROME: I wish I could but the staff is j 6 still working the individual items on the RAC comments and 7 when they're ready they'll let me know and certainly we'll l l 8 not delay the process. We'll provide them to you as soon as j 9 possible after that is completed. 10 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. MR. STROME: With that I'd like to move directly l 11 ) 12 into the agenda items represented under Item Two. And I'm 13 going to turn that particular portion over to New Hampshire j l 14 Yankees since they are currently working the personnel 15 resource assessment program. 16 Tony, I understand that you're going to be l l 17 making the presentation with respect to that? I i 18 MR. CALLENDRELLO: That's right, Dick. That is l 19 you're aware the S' tate of New Hampshire, in conjunction with i New Hampshire Yankee has instituted a program for assessing l 20 21 the personnel resources and needs throughout the communities 22 and therefore the state. And where that program stands 23 right now is that has been applied to all 17 communities as 24 l well as the state response organizations. j t '~s 25 ws' (Pause for relocating microphones.) APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077 i

4 Y .1 MR./CALLENDRELLO: Let me restart. The program-2 u that1has been established for assessing.the-personnel. ] -3 resource needs and availability has.been applied to;all.17 .i communities within the Emergency. Planning Zone in New 5 Hampshire.as well as.those state response organizations, and' ' 6 ,the-preliminary.results have.been assembled and the indica-7 tions are that there are. adequate personnel in'all 8. communities as well as in'all state organizations, and that 9 includes the provision of compensatory actions for the 10 communities that'have indicated that they may require 11 I -assistance to respond in an emergency. 12 At-the present time the State is reviewing that 13 document and as soon as we have their comments we will turn that around into some final form of document and, I can't 14 speak for Dick but I assume that he will transmit that to i 16- .the appropriate reviewers. 1 17 MR. STROME: We do intend, in fact, to submit it q as a 350 submission and we have just recently received a l 18-l ^ 19 final product addressing all the needs of all the communi-l 20 ties and we have just started to staff it. I will say this, 21 we have looked at the initial product of the six initial 22 towns and we are quite confident that if the rest of the 23 is similar, while we may have some additional input, product 24 we are quite confident that that document will be submitted 25 very shortly in its essential form that has been provided to .c APEX Reporting \\ Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077 1

U j us as a draft. j 2 MR. CALLENDRELLO: Go right down the list? The i I 3 second issue that's identified is the E x.2ter Hospital 4 transportation needs and there have been some questions 5 raised over the adequacy of the hosting facilities for 6 patients that would be transported from Exeter Hospital and 1 7 l the short of it is that there are roughly -- there's a 8 maximum patient load at Exeter Hospital of about 80 patients j and they're broken down into three levels of care, ranging 10 from ambulatory to intensive care type of patients, j 11 The host facilities that have been designated to j r 12 receive patients from Exeter Hospital do have sufficient 13 capacity to provide either the appropriate level of care or a level of care that's greater than what that patient came 15 from. For example, an ambulatory patient, there are enough l spaces to accommodate either ambulatory or a higher level of 16 I 17 care so that we're confident that even for the maximum 1 I 18 census of Exeter Hospital there are sufficient appropriate j post facilities to accommodate those patients. l l MR. STROME: Are there any questions from the l 20 l l 21 FEMA staff? (No response.) 23 MR. STROME: Move right along, Tony. 24 MR. CALLENDRELLO: Okay. 25 The third issue on the list are letters of APEX Reporting l Registered Professional Reporters j (617) 126 3077

9l Q'N facilities. Again, FEMA has 1 agreement with health care host raised the issue of letters of agreement of several specific 2 facilities, specifically Goodwins of Exeter and Clipper Home 3 Those letters of agreement have been 4 of Portsmouth. obtained and they're on file with the State Civil Defense. 5 There are now, therefore, signed agreements for hosting 6 facilities for those nursing homes. Ought I just point out 7 those four facilities are all owned by the same 8 that the letter of 9 organization so it was f rly simple to get 10 agreement. MR, STROME: So we are, in fact, confident that 11 we've taken care of all the needs of those facilities 12 located within the EPZ and their hosts for outside. 13 MR. THOMAS: Excellent. 15 MR. CALLENDRELLO: I'd also like to take this opportunity to provide an update on the transportation ~ 16 The Civil Defense agencies in conjunction with 17 resources. New Hampshire Yankee has been busy working with transper-18 tation providers and the State now has gained additional 19 letters of agreement with bus providers which bring the 20 total number of available number buses or bus pool to 834, 21 22 And to go along with that pool of 834 buses there is cur-rently a pool of 1228 drivers that have been identified and 23 -- that pool is made up of drivers 24 that includes drivers 25 from the bus companies themselves, from the New Hampshire

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' 0 'N's i Department of Transportation and the National Guard and from 2 the Teamsters. And let me just add that the Teamsters that j 3 are included in that pool are those that have been indicated 4 as being available by letters of agreement with the 5 companies that employ those drivers. So that everybody that 6 is in that driver pool is either under agreement or is a 7 state employee. 8 MR. STROME: And we're very confident of that 9 resource, especially since the plan, at a maximum level, 10 only requires 500 -- approximately 500 buses and 500 11 drivers in its initial stages. 12 MR THOMAS: Let me just point out something 13 that has recently come up with resper.t to another site. 14 There is a document called FEMA REF 2, Revision 1, which speaks to required types of dossimetry and other training for 15 bus drivers. Basically it indicates that bus drivers may be 16 17 considered emergency workers in terms of training, in terms of dossimetry and that's something that we can work with you 18 19 on more specifically as it comes along. KR. STROME: As a matter of fact I think we're 'O already training bus drivers and, if I'm not mistaken, we 21 are in fact including dossimetry training in that process. 22 MR. STROME: That's right. We've done pilot 23 24 from each of these groups that Tony mentioned. groups 25 APEX Reporting Registered Professional Refer:ers (617) 426 307;

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So I don't think it's going- -l '3 to'be' terribly difficult.to inc'orporate' that into the ,j~ j m d But we'll i . process'as far.as New Hampshire is concerned. 5-certainly look at your citation here, Ed, and make sur'e that' ] j 'we're-doing'it the way that is recommended'by FEMA. ) 1 7 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. 8 If I may just interrupt-for one second. Mr. I i 9 Vickers'has just been able to join us and to see if there'is 10 Sir? l anything he particularly wanted to say. 11 MR. VICKERS: Not at the moment. Thank you. 12 i Sorrysto be late. i 13 MR. STROME: Let's keep going, then. Go ahead, ] i 14 Tony.- FB. CALLENDRELLO: The next item is called New 15 16 Hampshire Emergency Management /KLD Special_Needs Survey, 4 1 .There appears to require some clarification on this issue of 17 numbers of transit-dependent individuals. There was a j 18 I survey conducted by KLD as part of the development of the q 19 i l evacuation time estimate. That survey was a telephone 20 21 survey of a sample of the population of the Emergency Planning Zone. As such, it was intended to act as a scoping 22 to determine the number of individuals that would 23 document the number of 24 require bus transportation in this case; 25 individuals that are transit-dependent, to determine whether s, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077 ( __ ___________ _ ___ Q

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^44 the< number of vehicles ~would.affe~ct the evacuation ~ time 2 estimate. Since that: telephone sample survey-was conducted 3-New Hampshire Civil Defense -- Emergency Management,._now, .4-DickE-- has gone outland--- .5' MR. STROME:~ I was goinguto correct you, Tony. l 6 MR. CALLENDRELLO: Has gone out and conducted ~a 7 . in the emergency planning zone and . mailing ~to households i 8_ requested information regarding need for transportation. -l 9 .There have'been results of that survey compiled and it is i 10' that number that forms the basis for the transportation 11 resource assigned in the emergency planning zone. l 12 So, just to reiterate. The KLD survey was 13 intended as a scoping study; the Civil Defense' survey was i intended as the planning' basis for the assignment of trans- . { 14 . L portation resources. What the Civil Defense survey also did 15 a 16 do was confirm the accuracy of the KLD estimate and its 17 accuracy and applicability for use as a scoping document i ? 18 because the results of the two surveys were roughly in total y 19 of about 100 individuals different. 20 MR. STROME: And we're very satisfied with 21 statistical and empirical data that's been provided.to us and our plans reflect that particular information. We think . 2 23 information is correct and we're proceeding to use that that 24 it as we move our resources around. 25 MR. THOMAS: May I just inquire if you have a .cj. APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077

l l . v, .w i .l3 =1- [f' . 2. .statistibalsconfidenc~e integral' on this? -Is:this a 95:5 s type confidence; integral? 3 MR. STROME: I: don't'think that would'very L 4 . difficult toEprovide to you, Ed. 'If that's'what you'd like 5-L "we'll talk:to--- 6 MR. THOMAS: I'm~just~ curious if you had it 7 since he said:it was a statistically survey. 'At least. 8 that's what I understood he said. .9 MR. CALLENDRELLO: I said-it was a sample. It. .This was the KLD was a-survey of a sample of-households. 11 E survey. j 12' MR, STROME: But if you're asking for an actual-13 statistical. competence level we'd be very happy to provide ^~ "14 that'to'you-and we'll work that through Mr. Lieberman, who 15 can do that for-us, 16 MR. THOMAS: .If it's-readily available I'm 17 sure we'd be interested in it. 18 MR. STROME: Sure, it would be. That would not 19 be very difficult to do. 20 MR. THOMAS: Are there any questions from the 21 FEMA staff? 22 A question from Mr. Carney. 23 MR. CARNEY: The KDL study was a random survey, i 24 Was the New Hampshire survey was to every single household I in the EPZ? s-APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126-3077

?; .i .. 'e: h )Nh. l' L 5( MR. CALLENDRELLO: Yes. L 2 MR. CARNEY: -So it wasn't a sampling, it was an 3

entire blitzfof the entire EPZ?

-4 ~ I MR.,CALLENDRELLO: That's~right. -The' Civil. 5 Defense survey -- the purpose of the Civil Defense survey 6 wasi olidentify.those persons that need transportation t 7 assistance and, as such, it was sent.to every' household.

8 The KLD survey.was a coping survey to determine the magni-9 tude of the traffic that would be added by buses traveling l

10 through;the emergency planning zone. 11 So KLD did a survey in terms'for NR. CARNEY: 12 planning purposes. 13 MR. STROME: That's.right. MR. CARNEY: And then you went out and surveyed-15 every single household. I MR. STROME: Right. l 16 MR. CARNEY: And then that gave you actually 17 18 numbers and it cane within a hundred of each other, j a 19 MR. STROME: Right. MR. CARNEY: Now, is this something that's an 20 21 l" ongoing process? 1 22 MR. STROME: The surveys will be on an annual j basis, depending, of course, upon when we get into the 23 I and so forth. l 24 process of actually sending the calendars, t 25 MR. CARNEY: So what happens is every single i m,. APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126-3077

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'M N, year every single household gets that--- 2 MR. STROME: We ask if someone has deteriorated 3 to a situation where they no longer have a car. And it's 4 not a question of every single household. We certainly 5 intend to continue the mailing process that we've used in 6 the past. We certainly intend to conduct a public informa-7 tion campaign through the media to let everyone know that 8 we're seeking this kind of information. So, it will be an 9 ongoing process in the future. 10 MR. CARNEY: Is part of this working with the 11 local transportation coordinators in each individual 12 community? 13 MR. STROME: Certainly working with the local 14 emergency respondents. That's anticipated, yes. 15 MR. THOMAS: David and Dick an'd Tony, thank you 16 l for clarifying that. I was a little bit confused as to the 17 nature of that and now I understand. j 18 We have two short questions. Ma'am, you were 19 first. I I 20 Could you state your name? l 21 MS. MITCHELL: Sandy Fowler Mitchell 22 Are you. referring to the mail out that you did? MR. STROME: Yes. l 24 MS. MITCHELL: Yes. MR THOMAS: Thank you very much. .s _, l tiPEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

"O .q_ N Allen? Allen Fierce from the Massachusetts 2 Attorney General's Office. s 3 MR. FIERCE: Is this now ia the form of a report 4 or a study that can be made available to the various S l parties? Obviously we have many questions about this and 6 rather than asking them here--- 7 MR. STROME: As I understand it that has been 8 part of the discovery process. We have no problem at all l 9 with your seeking whatever information you need. Please 10 don't hesitate to get in toucl with this office. We'll 11 provide you with the information. 12 MR. FIERCE: Thank you. 13 MR. THOMAS: Thank you, Dick. 14 Mike, did you have a point? 15 MR. NAWOJ: No, I was just saying that was part 16 of the discovery process available. I think you have it i 17 already. 18 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. 19 MR. CALLENDRELLO: And the last item under 20 Section Two of the agenda is the status of the shelter 21 study. There was a study performed in March and completed 22 in March of 1986 that identified potential shelter spaces in 23 each area in the Seabrook EPZ. There is an effort that's 24 been ongoing to updata the information contained in that 25 study and in particular to provide information in several APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077

e: A, ' {s% j -1 will. just: broadly cover those areas. Onelis,-the ! areas. 2' I studysis being updated to address availability of' shelter, w: l '3 ' that is, taking the footpr1nt'of theLbuilding -- the gross ~ 4 .squareffeet?that are available in a building and' adjusting '5 .it'for'its use -- in actuality reducing the amount of square-6 1 feet that1would be available to shelter individuals based on 7' its usage. 8 .Now, we are using national standards to factor 9 .down those capacities and confirming those with visual ~ 10 inspections. 11 Second of all, we are looking at matching of-l 12 ehelter with the population. We are assessing the'distri-13 bution of shelter along'the beaches and comparing that with 4 '14 the distribution of the population to, in short, determine i that there are shelters where the people are. ] 15 i i MR. THOMAS: I have a question on that. We have-16 i not looked at your shelter survey, as you are aware, _ but the 17 concern that we would certainly be first looking at is 18 logistics. In other words, that the shelters are there, 19 i that they would be open, and that they're not full of ~' 20 21 furniture or something like that. That they are truly and really available to the people and in walking distance, 22 i They're not on the other side of the municipality, or 23 24 something like that. l 'l 25 MR. CALLENDRELLO: And that's exactly what we 1 i APEX Reporting i Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126-3077 -__-__a_ _. J

13; (f' I are looking at. We're determining the availability of 2 shelters which, for example, a restaurant is such a s 3 percentage available. 4 MR. THOMAS: Excellent. 5 Dave Carney? 6 MR, CARNEY: Do you have any other examples 7 besides proximity and availability? 8 MR. STROME: Areas of concern? 9 MR. CARNEY: Yes. 10 MR. CALLENDRELLO: A good question. Were 11 looking for something that is really going to work, 12 that the proximity, true availability -- in other words, 13 doors are not bolted closed and such that they're not -s accessible unless there is a procedure available and somebody's going to take a fire axe and smash a particular 15 16 door open. Whatever your procedures are. 17 MR. THOMAS: FEMA staff, any other questions? 18 MR. DOLAN: I think we should reserve judgment 19 until we look at it. MR. STROME: And certainly so don't we, Jack. 20 We feel the same way. But I think, in fact, with the 21 information that I have, we're pretty much addressing those 22 areas of concern, population density and availability of 23 space where that population density is in the beach areas. 24 So, from what I've seen so far I'm quite confident that APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077 m-J

13' 'N 1 Y h we're going to have some good, firm, empirical data to 2 I provide to you. -s 3 MR. FLYNN: I have a question here. I'm sure 4 this is probably clear in the report but I don't have that 5 information. Are we talking about public buildings or 6 private buildings? Would we need letters of agreement? 7 MR. STROME: Let me see if I can repeat the 8 question, Joe. You seem to intimate that there's not a 9 problem with a public building but you're asking that if we 10 use a private building would we need letters of agreement? 11 MR. FLYNN: Well, I guess it's also appropriate 12 to ask whether there would need to be letters of agreenent 13 with public buildings, too. The point of my question is, 14 ~ it's one thing to say that the building is there and that 15 l they are large enough, but, I'd like to follow up on Ed's 16 question about are they available. That is to say, at the 17 time of an accident what has to be done to make sure that 18 the buildings are opened to the people who need them? MR. STROME: You're talking about legal l 19 20 availability? MR. FLYNN: Yes. 22 MR. STROME: Okay. From my own personal 23 standpoint I would prefer to defer an answer on that unless 24 someone else has a more definitive response. I think that I'd like to give that to our legal staff to look at and to APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

l20 ss NdI provide you with their opinion. 2 MR. FLYNN: Very good. 3 MR. THOMAS: If I can chime in. I think that 4 one thing that I hope we would be looking at is that if 5 b'ildings are open to the public -- and I think specifically u 6 of a restaurant, I hope that the lawyers will advise us if 7 there is some legal issue as to why they would not be avail-8 able to the public in an emergency to get out of a cloud of 9 toxic pas. 10 MR. STROME: I guess that's why we hire all 11 these intelligent lawyers, to make that kind of a determina-12 tion for us and we'll certainly provide them with that task. 13 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. 14 ~ Thank you, Jack. 15 MR. TRAFICONTI: Can I have a follow up 16 cuestion? 17 MR. THOMAS: Yes. 18 MR. TRAFICONTI: Very briefly. I am John 19 Traficonti and I'm an Assistant Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I'd just like to clarify, 20 what are the factors that would reduce the footprint size -- 21 what would you be looking at when you do your visual 22 l 23 L inspection? MR. STROME: I think I can answer that partly, 24 t 25 If we're looking at a furniture warehouse that's full, from s, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) H6* 0??

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~2 A \\( the outside it might look like it's the size of a football 2 field but we obviously cannot put a lot of people in a full 3 ~ warehouse. A MR. TRAFICONTI: And the report that has been 5 done as of March, I believe, has that not been taken into 6 consideration? 7 UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me, I think this is 8 a matter under litigation and will be presented at another 9 time and I don't think we should be answering it. l 10 i MR. STROME: Joe, were you able to hear that? 11 MR. FLYNN: I'm afraid I wasn't. 12 MR. STROME: One of the attorneys from Ropes and 13 Grey indicated that we should not proceed with answering 14 that question. The parties to this meeting are free to answer that question or not, as they choose. They've heard 15 16 their advice of counsel. 17 MR. FLYNN: Okay. j 18 MR. STROME: Is there an answer that anyone t 19 would like to provide? l MR. CALLENDRELLO: I just got a nod from the I 21 Attorney General so I think I'll assume the same posture. MR. THOMAS: From FEMA's point of view, of course, FEMA has not looked at the survey that has already 23 been submitted. When the survey is submitted certainly the 24 practicality of the shelter and the fact that there is 25 s, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Repor:ers (617) 126-3077

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O 1 g' actually a place to put people, it's not a basement that's 2 full of furniture, is something that's going to get a great 3 deal of attention from us. 4 MR. BROCH: I'd like to ask one question on 5 that. 6 MR. STROME: Could you state your name, please, 7 sir? 8 MR. BROCH: My name is Matt Broch. I'm here 9 from the Town of Hampton. I'd like to know if you attempt 10 to amend the plans prior to the hearing date in September 11 regarding the shelter study or any other work that's left 12 over. 13 MR. THOMAS: Mr. Broch, I don't want to answer p., 14 for Dick Strome, but that question has already been asked 15 and answered. Dick was not able to provide a date for the 16 submission of any revisions to the plans at this time. 17 MR. BROCH: Was the answer, though, there would 18 be such revisions but at an unspecified date? 19 MR. STROME: I think what we're talking about 20 is a dynamic planning process and as we see needs for 21 revisions that might be needed we will exercise the dynamics 22 of change. But, at the present time we do not have a 23 schedule for any changes. MR. THOMAS: Okay. I hope the transcript will 25 l speak for itself on that subject. s, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077

's l Q MR. CALLENDRELLO: Just to close the update on 2 the shelter studies. We are encouraged by the preliminary 3 results. We have not had a chance to fully review them nor 4 has Dick. But, again, we are encouraged. 5 MR, THOMAS: Thank you all for that. 6 l MR. CALLENDRELLO: Item three is other items 7 and I think you've already stated your position on that, Ed. 8 MR. THOMAS: Perhaps for the sake of the record 9 and for everyone here, let me just say that again, with 10 respect to this item we will not be entertaining questions 11 on it from anyone. FEMA will be making no points on this at 12 all because this was not part of the meeting notice, other 13 than to say what the agency has already stated which is that 14 ' we will be entertaining any plans submitted on behalf of the 15 protection of the public in Massachusetts in accordance with 16 our regulations. 17 For the benefit of the attorneys in the group, 18 we're specifically talking about Section 350.3F of our i 19 regulations which specify the manner in which plans which 20 are not from the state or local government will be submitted 21 to and will be reviewed by FEMA. And that's all we have to 22 say on the subject. MR. STROME: Thank you. And with that, George, 24 are you going to make a presentation? 25 MR. GEORGE THOMAS: I think Bill's going to lead off. APEX Reporting Registered Pufessional Reporters (617) 426 3077

l 1 { ,9 4'l l C\\ MR. STROME: All right, go ahead, Bill. l 2 MR. DERICKSON: Let me just state a couple of x 3 l things. The reason that we wanted to do this was as 1 4 we made this presentation on July 30 in Bethesda, follows: f 5 Maryland to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission; a few of you 6 in the room were there, but certainly not everyone. And the 7 presentation was the status of the development or our 8 the basis development of a utility plan for Massachusetts, 9 for the development, and so forth. And since there is an 10 interface with New Hampshire -- the border is south of the it seemed appropriate for us to just get everybody 11 plant 12 up to speed with the same information. i The transcript of the meeting in Bethesda has j 13 FEMA been made available to the service list and I know that 14 15 We have some other copies of our presentation has got it. here which are also part of the transcript. We have no 16 just bring everybody up to 17 other new information except to speed with what was presented in Bethesda on July 30. 18 MR. THOMAS: Can you provide a copy of this, j 19 l for the benefit of the reporter and he will make it 20

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Thank you. 22 MR. DERICKSON: Okay. Briefly, what we did and what we'll do is just 23 review the emergency planning in general for Seabrook. 24 25 developments from the latter part of last Significant recent l ss APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077 \\

.h V\\. year tripped on Memory Lane which led us to our actions in 2 early June and I think it's kind of important, and specific-3 ally our response to NRC or CLI 8703 issued on June 12, 1987 4 for which we have based this Massachusetts Emergency Plan. i S And perhaps George Thomas can give an overview of the whole l 6 '- emergency planning program for Seabrook for the benefit of 7 everybody here. 8 MR. GEORGE THOMAS: Excuse me. The slide you 9 see up on the screen indicates the emergency planning zone 10 with, of course, the 17 New Hampshire communities and six 11 Massachusetts communities. The New Hampshire communities 12 involved in emergency planning are in green and the 13 Massachusetts communities in red. And we've also shown on 14 there maj or population centers, maj or interstate highways 15 with access out of the area for evacuation purposes. 16 In summary, Massachusetts represents about 36% 17 of the area shown in the darkened color as part of the 18 overall Seabrook Station EPZ and New Hampshire the remainder 19 of it. 20 The population estimates that have been 21 developed and are presently in the process of being 22 litigated are shown up there on the screen, both resident l and resident-in-transient for both New Hampshire and 24 Massachusetts. And another distribution of those same l population figures are shown here where both Massachusetts s, l AFEX Reporting Registered hofessional Reporters (617) 426-3077 l

Th ou ':l I and New Hampshire populations up to two miles, from two to 2 five, and also from five to ten miles. Those bottom lines. 3 there are the totals -- the same totals we've seen in the 4 previous slide but are just presented in another way. 5 The status of the New Hampshire plans we gave to the 6 NRC for their purposes and I think the pe'ople in the room 7 are well aware of them. The hearings are scheduled to start' 8 on the 28th of September. I understand it was announced 9 today that they'll be held in Concord. j 10 Bill, from here would you like to talk about how 1 11 we ended up down there? 12 MR. DERICKSON: Yes. 13 How we got to where we are this summer is back 14 1 down Memory Lane, we had been working on a utility plan for j l Massachusetts for some time and we did complete a first { 15 16 draft of that plan on October, 1986. Nothing was done with j 17 it at that time for a reason that I'll discuss in a moment, 18 but at the same timer we received a license to load fuel and l 19 to perform pre-criticalities fuel power testing, which was 20 all done in 1986. 21 In November of 1986 the Appeals Board denied the 22 Massachusetts Attorney General's appeal of the zero power 23 license and that appeal was that the zero power license shouldn't be issued without off-site emergency plans sent in. 24 25 Tnat was 853. APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

o,9 v N. / Now, the reason we didn't submit the utility 2 plan, we evaluated the situation and we did decide in 3 December of '86 to file a petition to reduce the emergency 4 .) planning zone to one mile. That was done on December 18th. t 5 In January the Commission took a review of 853 l 6 and stayed from issuing the 5% license which was somewhat of 7 a surprise to us but it was done, nonetheless. 8 In March 1987, however, we did receive a partial 9 initial decision from Wolf Atomic Safety and Licensing Board 4 10 recommending that we should receive a 5% license for a / 11 Seabrook Unit 1. I i 12 However, in April of 1987 the Commission issued 13 CLI 8702 whigh said that we needed to show that emergency 14 planning was, I believe, at least in the realm of the 15 possible. That's the way they described it. And at the 1 16 same time, in April our petition for one mile EPZ was denied ( 17 by the Helen Hoyt ASLB. Which brings us to June. And in parallel we had l 18 19 filed a Massachusetts plan. In fact we filed a plan that l 20 was developed by the state and the towns in Massachusetts. But that was found not to be acceptable in order CLA 8703 21 and in fact we got specific instructions and established the 22 23 and the words out of CLA 8703 on which we based our project l actions that we're going to talk about here, are found in 24 two locations in that order, one of which has very clearly 25 ~s APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

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j 'been developed Commission case law that a utility plan is i 2 one that provides measures to be taken by the utility to 3 compensate for the absence of governmental participation in l 4 emergency planning and an adequate filing in this case would 5 be one intended for actual implementation as a utility plan 6 and one intended to be subjected to staff and FEMA review 7 and litigation on that basis. 1 8 And it was those key-phrases out of CLI 8703 9 that we have taken the action that we have taken. 10 One thing that we told the NRC and we'll tell 11 you all, that we are committed to excellence in emergency i planning for Seabrook. We've been committed to excellence 12 i 13 in everything we've done. That excellence is reflected in 14 the most recent rating that we've received and we've received six category ones and one category two, one being 15 the best DNRC gives an applicant. This will be done with 16 17 the same quality as everything else we've done. Now, the philosophy that we used and are still 18 using in our planned development is that the utility plan l 19 / will have the capability to compensate for the Massachusetts l 20 l emergency response functions. Compensate. That's a word in 21 CLA 8703. The utility plan will parallel the Massachusetts 22 state plan as much as possible. New Hampshire Yankee will 23 continue to maintain good faith efforts to state and local 24 communities as much as possible to facilitate coordination 25 s-APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

i Cb 6;!) ' ) \\ / with the State of Massachusetts and we have included and are 2 including a comprehensive review and application of lessons 3 learned down at Long Island from the Long Island Lighting 4 Company. 5 The actions that we engaged in to do this were, 6 first of all, to establish a project team which I'll 7 describe in a moment, to ensure that New Hampshire and ) 8 Massachusetts emergency plans are compatible -- and I'll l 9 describe how we're doing that. Again, apply the lessons to learned from provide independent expert reviews of 11 each draft of the plan. And that's an ongoing process. 12 It's been an ongoing process at Seabrook for everything 13 we've done which helped provide the quality of the effort 14 and we are just about to finalize the blue ribbon review 15 panel which should be finalized completely this week and in place and we can make it public shortly, hopefully -- to 17 overview this entire effort to be sure that we're on the 18 right track and we have covered all the bases. i 19 On the night of June 12th when we received the 20 order and read it, we established this proj ect team aeaded 21 by George Gram who was the Director of Construction atM 'nas 22 been the Director of Corporate Services for New Hampshire 1 1 23 f Yankee, is now full time on this project as Project Director 24 I reporting to me. And on the project we have people, of l 25 course, from the legal and licensing area, Ropes and Gray; s, APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426 3077

2l 3C from the corporate services department for providing the 2 support and facilities, and so forth. From the er..ergency 3 planning organization providing the plans themselves. 4 Proj ect control for schedule and budget purposes and 5 community relations. And all of these are matrix organiza-6 tions. 7 We did not show the dotteo lines on this chart 8 for clarity, however, the technical direction for every area 9 is provided by the functional department in New Hampshire 10 Yankee. There would be a dotted line, for example, to Vince 11 Everett who is the team member in the Massachusetts 12 Emergency Planning Organization, and that dotted line is to 13 Terry Harpster our Director of Emergency Planning, and that-14 will ensure the compatibility with the New Hampshire 15 planning effort. 16 And that's our program, and with that I'd like 17 to turn the rest of this over to George Gram who is the 18 director of the effort to give you a brief status report. 19 MR. GRAM: This project we've broken it down 20 into three major categories made up of plans and procedures 21 and the proven training of personnel need to man this 22 organization and then facilities and equipment. And just to 23 give you a brief status report on each one of the areas. 24 Our plan is presently in fifth draft that we 25 just completed this Monday, August 3rd, and we have started APEX Reporting Registned Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077

i l i e p- .32 O l-U'/ j the independent review of that and a blue ribbon panel will 2 be reviewing that fifth draft beginning next week. Right 3 now the plan presently has 38 detailed procedures that ~ are under review right now and our review has already identified S some of those procedures that are probably too large and it i 6 will be broken up int. about 12 more procedures. So we 7 anticipate that we'll end up with about 50 detailed 8 procedures to supplement the plan. 9 In the area of recruitment and training our 10 I present plan estimates around 875 volunteers required to man q 11 the organization. To date we've got 1300 people that have 12 volunteered as a result of a recruiting effort. We have 13 filled 735 of the positions that are that are identified in the organization to date. 15 MR DERICKSON: George, can I stop you? 16 MR. GRAM: Sure. 17 MR. DERICKSON: This is slightly different from 18 the Washington pre-status. We give you the status as of l 19 this week. The program, essentially. 20 MR. GRAM: The sources of recruitment have been 21 primarily joint owner utility employees. We've been very successful in that effort and, as you can see the l \\ 23 recruitment sessions that have been just completed lart 1 24 week. And we're still compiling them and sorting out and 25 filling positions with the people that have volunteered. s, APEX Reporting Registered 14ofessional Reporters (617) 426 3077 1

32 We also visited locals for lessons learned on -l 2 every pertinent program which helped quite a deal and I 3 think that this whole recruitment effort has taken place in 4 just a month and a half. A little less than a month and a i 5 l half. We presently have 16 training modules that under l development and our training schedule calls for a class in 8 training to begin on September 15. i 9 On facilities and equipment our EOC emergency 10 operations center has been located. It is presently under { 11 lease. Our staging area where all of the people and the 12 resources -- all the people go to to be issued their 13 traffic control items and things like resources, dossimeter, 14 that -- that has been located and is under lease. f Our first reception center has been located and 15 l is under lease and the second reception center also has been 16 17 located and we're negotiating that lease right now. 18 In the area of congregate care we've identified 19 and have under lease -- we have under lease that 327. also. The 327. of the total congregate care square footage that's 20 21 identified in our plan is under lease. 22 In the area of equipment, all of our communica-tion equipment has been ordered. Field radios, base station 23 24 radios, that kind of equipment. 25 Our monitoring trailers have all been ordered v APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126 3077

33' /, j and are due for delivery in the middle of September which 2 sequences with our first major drill which you see of. the 3 next slide. 4 We've identified all the numbers of buses and 5 i ambulances, snow plows, tow trucks, etc., that are required j 6f for the plan and as an example, the plan requires just over 7 300 buses that implement the plan. We've presently 8 identified 500 buses that we're negotiating contracts on. 9 So we don't think buses are going to be a problem either. 10 This is the last slide and this is our present ] 11 schedule and I'd just like to run through the major 12 activities. 13 As you can see this top line up there are plans this slide didn't get updated. The Eifth and irocedures p 15 draft is presently out and under review and we're currently 16 conducting table top sessions -- table top drill sessions on 17 all the procedures. 18 We plan to have one final revision the latter j part of this month and our present plan is to submit plans 20 and procedures to the NRC the middle of September. 21 As you can see, the blue ribbon panel is 22 scheduled to start. There are presently several members of the blue ribbon panel on site right now setting up and the 2 full blue ribbon panel is scheduled to start next Monday, f 24 1 25 And just to point out, the training schedule j m i APEX Reporting l Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126-3077

) f. line there, we presently are scheduled to start conducting i / 2 our first drill, I believe it is the 21st of October. Our 3 present schedule calls for a full New Hampshire Yankee run 4 Massachusetts drill the latter part of January and then we S intend to run a completely graded exercise. 6 In areas of resources and facilities I think I 7 already covered those -- our intent is to have 100% of those l 8 We made a manage-all wrapped up and included in the plan. 9 ment decision that if we're still negotiating with two or that we're 10 three bus companies or a half dozen ambulances, still going to submit the plan and the letters of agreement 11 12 for those file resources. 13 Any questions? MR. THOMAS: That's where we are and we're still 14 on track for the mid-September submittal of our utility 15 16 plan to Massachusetts. Dick, did you have any closing comments? 17 MR. STROME: Only to thank all of you who took 18 to come to New Hampshire and to assist in the 19 the time out presentation. Thank the Federal Agency, certainly, and New 20 21 Hampshire Yankee. 22 David, anything you'd like to add? 23 MR. CARNEY: Well, not a particular question but information concerning the 24 I would like to get some more Massachusetts state plan. I guess I've not understood the 25 APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) H6-3077

1 Q.U 3G' 1 / fact that the State of Massachusetts -- the Commonwealth of 2 Massachusetts, whatever you're called -- already has a plan 3 to respond to-nuclear emergencies and I guess would go with j 4 an operating plan. They must already have a ten mile j 5 evacuation plan and state infrastructure to support that as 6 well as the 50 mile pathway structure for the activities at 7 Vermont Yankee, which is a three-state integrated plan that 8 i includes our state and their state and the State of Vermont. 9 It would seem to me that a lot of those kind of 10 coordination activities and state command and control and 11 communications resources and field monitoring abilities -- I 12 mean, if they can do it for ten miles in Massachusetts for 13 their operating plants they have now they should be able to do it for the facilities anywhere in the state. ~ 15 i So, I guess I appreciate the New Hampshire 16 Yankee providing a slide presentation because I think a lot 17 of times we lose focus of the fact that we're dealing with 18 two states and here we have on the western side of our state 19 a three-state nuclear facility that benefits New England as 20 well as Yankee Row, which obviously the almost ultimate 21 responsibility is Massachusetts Civil Defense officials and 22 obviously they are able to carry out their activities in a l 3 professional and proficient manner. I'm sure when this is 24 all resolved that we'll be.ible to continue to work with I 25 them as we have in the other facilities. APEX Reporting l Registered Professional Reporters (617) 126 3077 l

3,i L :, 1 c3 ' MR. VICKERS: Thank you. 2 MR. STROME: Would you like to say a word or l l 3 i two? l 4 MR. VICKERS: I would just say that your 5 comments are facts, aren't they? j 6 MR. STROME: As far as we know. We believe them 1 7 i to be facts. I 8 MR. VICKERS: And also, once again, I apologize 9 ) for being late and thank you for your kindness. 10 MR. STROME: And again, Ed, thank you very much 11 for your assistance in this whole planning process. You're 12 a professional organization and it's a pleasure working with 13 you. Ja MR. THOMAS: Well, a nice note ending the 15 meeting on a beautiful day. Thank you all very, very much 16 for coming. The meeting 's adj ourned. 17 (The meeting was closed at 11:25 a.m.) 18 19 20 21 l 22 23 l l 24 l 25 l l APEX Reporting Registered Professional Reporters (617) 426-3077 i

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s UTILITY 3LA4 l Project Director FOR MASSACHUSETTS EMERGENCY RESPONSE ^55'5a" PROJECT TEAM the Director Administrative Support Special Proiects Ciencal Purenasing, Budgets Word Processing Recruitment Life'nsing Project Massachusetts Project Community Completion Planning Control Relations Heanng Support I I I Facilities & Proiect Production Scheduhng g Equipment Control PCS '/ Planning Supervisors i Planning Training Statt Staff e ~e W

Utility Plan PHILOSOPHY e Utility plan will have the Capability to Compensate for Massachusetts Emergency Response Functions e Utility Plan will Parallel Massachusetts State Plan as much as Possible e NHY will Maintain " Good Faith" Efforts with State and - Local Communities as.much e.s Possible to Facilitate Coordination with Massachusetts e include a Comprehensive Review & Application of Lessons Learned from LILCO ) ..cr a s

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t Recruiting & Training 6 Estimated Requirement is 875 Volunteers 1300 Volunteers Recruited as of 8/10/87 j e 735 Positions Filled j e Sources - NHY - PSNH - YAEC - Mass. Electric - Other Joint Owner Companies - Private Citizens 6 Recruitment Sessions Scheduled j - YAEC-07/20 ) - NHY-07/22-07/24 J - PSNH-07/27-07/31 - Mass. Electric-08/03-08/08 1 s e Visited LILCO for Lessons Learned on Recruiting e Training Modules Presently Under Development e Training Begins on Sept.15 ) J

Facilities & Equipment FACILITIES e Emergency Operations Center-Located and Under Lease e Staging Area-Located and Under Lease e 1st Reception Area-Located and Under Lease 9 2nd Reception Area-Located and Negotiating Lease e Transfer Points-Located and Being Evaluated e Congregate Care Centers-32% Located and in Negotiations EQUIPMENT e Communications Equipment Ordered e Monitoring Trailers Ordered e Buses e Ambulances k (Numbers Required have been e Snow Plows Presently Negotiating Leases. e Tow Trucks Prepared to Purchase if Necessary) e Fuel Suppliess m V

Plans & Procedures 9 Plan-5th Draft Complete - Independent Review Started e Procedures 38 Required - 38 Complete And Under Review Ma

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