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Transcript of Environmental Scoping Meeting Related to the Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant, Units 1 and 2, License Renewal Application, Pages 1-92

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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

Title:

Environmental Scoping Meeting Related to the Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant, Units 1 and 2, License Renewal Application

Docket Number: (n/a)

Location: Glen Rose, Texas

Date: Thursday, February 23, 2023

Work Order No.: NRC-2263 Pages 1-90

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Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 234-4433 1

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

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PUBLIC MEETING

ENVIRONMENTAL SCOPING MEETING

RELATED TO THE COMANCHE PEAK NUCLEAR POWER PLANT,

UNITS 1 AND 2,

LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION

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THURSDAY

FEBRUARY 23, 2023

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The Public Meeting was convened in the

Somervell County Expo Center, 202 Bo Gibbs Boulevard,

West Highway 67, Glen Rose, Texas, at 7:00 p.m., Brett

Klukan, Facilitator, presiding.

PRESENT:

BRETT KLUKAN, Facilitator

TAM TRAN, Environmental Project Manager

EMANUEL SAYOK, Safety Project Manager

JOHN MOSES, Deputy Director, NRC

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P RO C E E D I N G S

(7:00 p.m.)

MR. KLUKAN: All right. Everyone, we're

about to begin. It's 7:00, and we have a number of

people signed up to speak this evening, so I'd like to

get started on time, if we can. So thank you all for

coming out this evening to the Nuclear Regulatory

Commission's Environmental Scoping Meeting Related to

the Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant, Unit 1 and 2,

License Renewal Application.

First of all, can everyone hear me okay?

Are we good? All right? Great. My name is Brett

Klukan. Normally, I serve as a regional counsel for

Region I of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission,

but, however, tonight, I will be acting as facilitator

for this meeting.

Our goals tonight are twofold: One, to

provide you with an overview of the subsequent license

renewal process, both related to safety and

environmental reviews for the Comanche Peak Nuclear

Power Plant review; and, two, to get your input on the

environmental issues the NRC should address in its

environmental review.

Now, you're going to hear a lot tonight of

scoping. What does that mean? Scoping simply means

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determining the scope of the environmental review that

the NRC will conduct regarding the continued operation

of the Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant. Tonight's

meeting is just one way that you can participate in

that process, and we'll go over that in more detail

during the NRC's presentation.

The meeting tonight will be broken down

into, essentially, two parts. First, we'll have a

presentation by the NRC staff on the topics that we

think are important for you to understand. And a link

to the meeting slides can be found on the Public

Meeting Schedule Page or on the NRC's website. We're

going to try to keep that presentation as short as

possible because the second reason that we're here

tonight is to listen to and receive your comments.

With that in mind, tonight's meeting is a

common gathering meeting. So we'll be actively

soliciting your input after we complete our

presentation. We'll also be going, again, over the

ways in which you can otherwise provide your comments

to the NRC for the scoping process outside of the

meeting this evening.

Keep in mind that we are transcribing the

meeting tonight. In the corner there is our Court

Reporter.

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And thank you very much for helping us out

this evening. We really appreciate it.

You can help us get a clean recording

tonight by identifying yourself, stating your name and

any affiliation, if you wish to have an affiliation,

before you begin your comment. When we enter into the

public comment phase, you're going to be coming up

here to this podium. This is just for show. There

will be another microphone up here. Okay.

All right. If you'd like to comment this

evening and not have already done so, please sign up

on the registration table in the back of the room.

Now, some basic ground rules. I ask that

we have a civil decorum in tonight's meeting, and out

of respect for each other, that you do not disrupt

each other when others are speaking. Just as you

wouldn't want to be interrupted during your own

opportunity to speak, please respect the speaking time

of others. And then as well, threatening gestures or

statements of any kind under no circumstances will be

tolerated and will be cause for immediate ejection

from the meeting this evening.

If you feel that you've been threatened in

any way, please let me know or another member of the

NRC staff, or one of the local law enforcement agents

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positioned in the back of the room.

If you have something you'd like to give

to the NRC staff, please hand it to me, and I will

turn it over to them. While you are speaking, I'll be

standing beside you over here. Okay.

One other thing before we get into it,

there is a Public Meeting Feedback Form you can find

on the NRC's website. We ask that you please fill

that out. It really does help us improve the tenor

and the conduct of our meetings.

Finally, I'd like to introduce some of the

NRC staff here with us tonight. We have John Moses,

the Deputy Director for Division of Rulemaking,

Environment, and Financial Support. We have Manny

Sayoc, Safety Project Manager; Tam Tran, the

Environmental Project Manager; Ryan Alexander, the

Regional State Liaison Officer for Region IV. We have

Angel Moreno, the office -- from the Office of

Congressional Affairs; John Ellegood -- I feel like I

--he told me how to pronounce it and I messed it up

-- the Senior Resident Inspector for Comanche Peak. We

also have Neil Day, the Resident Inspector for

Comanche Peak; Victor Dricks from the Office of Public

Affairs.

And now, without any further ado, to keep

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us trucking along, I'm going to turn it over to John

Moses for opening comments.

MR. MOSES: Thanks, Brett.

Good evening, everyone. As you heard, my

name is John Moses. And I'd like to welcome you to

this in-person meeting for the Comanche Peak Plant 1

and 2 License Renewal Application. If you weren't

aware, this is our second meeting that we've had. We

had one on January 17th that was virtual, and now

we're having an in-person one today.

As our staff will detaillater, a review

process is always encouraged, both public

participation and transparency. Public participation,

openness, and transparency are core NRC values. The

licensing of nuclear facilities is conducted in an

open and transparent manner. And the public will be

informed about and have an opportunity to participate

in the regulatory process. This Public Scoping

Meeting today is one way that we encourage your

participation in this process. So I'm looking forward

to hearing your feedback from all the participants

here on significant issues that you feel are important

for the staff to consider in a detailed analysis of

environmental or safety issues to be included in our

review.

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While today is focused on environmental

issues, we do have some of our safety folks here, and

we'll take that in account and keep copies of those

comments to consider for later.

Our goal is to hear from you today, to

collect any comments you might have so that we may

fully consider that during our analysis and reviews.

In advance of your participation, we thank you.

And with that, I'll turn back to Brett.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

Now, again, as stated, the first part of

our meeting will be a presentation, a quick

presentation -- This is a reminder to them as well --

by the NRC staff so that we can get right into your

public comments.

So with that, without any further ado,

I'll turn it over to Tam and Manny for the NRC's

presentation.

MR. SAYOC: Good evening. My name is

Emmanuel Sayoc. I'm the Safety Project Manager for

the Division of New and Renewed Licenses in the Office

of Nuclear Reactor Regulation in the U.S. Nuclear

Regulatory Commission.

Our goal is to provide you an overview of

the license renewal process for Comanche Peak focusing

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on safety and environmentalreviews.

Next slide.

MR. KLUKAN: While we're working on this,

there are some handouts in the back of the meeting

slides, if you'd prefer a paper copy of them. This is

not that. I'm just showing you what the paper looks

like, but there are copies in the back if you'd like

to follow along yourself.

All right. Here we go.

MR. SAYOC: All right. We're just waiting

for the correct slide here. We're on slide two.

Okay. The NRC is a federal agency that

regulates the civilian use of nuclear material. The

Atomic Energy Act authorize --authorizes the NRC to

grant 40-year operating licenses for nuclear power

plants. The 40-year term was based primarily on

economic considerations and antitrust factors, not on

safety or technical limitations. The Atomic Energy

Act also allows for license renewal.

The NRC's mission is threefold: To ensure

adequate protection of the public health and safety;

to promote the common defense and security; and to

protect the environment.

Let's go to the next slide.

The NRC accomplishes its mission through a

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combination of regulatory programs and processes such

as establishing rules and regulations, and conducting

oversight which consists of conducting inspections,

issuing enforcement actions, assessing licensing

performance. We also evaluate operating experience

from nuclear power plants across the country and

internationally as well.

The NRC has resident inspectors at

operating nuclear power plants for Comanche Peak. As

was introduced, there's John Ellegood, Senior Resident

Inspector, and Neil Day, Resident Inspector. These

inspectors are considered eyes and ears of the NRC.

They carry out the safety mission in a --on a daily

basis and are on the front lines of insuring adequate

safety performance and compliance with regulatory

requirements.

In this slide right here, for the support

and decision-making, the input is the aging management

and the things that we look at in terms of license

renewal.

Let's go on to the next slide.

These are some important dates. The

operating license was --was issued on February 8th,

1990 for Unit 1, and February 2, 1993 for Unit 2.

Commercial operation began on August 13th, 1990 for

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Unit 1, and August 3, 1993 for Unit 2. Comanche Peak

authorizing --operating license expires on February

8, 2020 --sorry --2030 for Unit 1, and February 2,

2033 for Unit 2.

The licensee submitted license renewal

application in October of 2022 to seek operations

through February 2050 and February 2053 for Units 1

and 2 respectively.

Next slide.

This slide right here, I'll go over the

concept of -- of licensing basis which consists of

design, operating requirements, conditions that must

be met for the plant to comply with its operating

license. The primary focus of these requirements is

to maintain public health and safety. These two

principles right here rely on the principle that this

license basis is adequate and that will -- it will

continue to be adequate during the period of extended

operation.

Next slide.

Now I'll talk about the license renewal

process. This flow chart highlights license renewal

which involves two parallel reviews, a safety review

and the environmental review. These two reviews

evaluate separate aspects of the license renewal

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application. It also features three other

considerations, the commission's decision whether or

not to renew an operating license. The dotted lines

show that the hearings will also be conducted if its

resident stakeholders submit concerns or contentions

and their request for a hearing is granted.

Atomic Safety and Licensing Board, an

independent panel of judges, will conduct the

hearings. The commission considers the outcome of the

hearing process and its decision on whether or not to

issue a renewed operating license. As part of the

environmental review, the staff consults with local

state, federal, and tribal officials, and the staff

may hold public meetings to receive comments on the

draft Environmental Impact Statement.

So now I'll call on Tam Tran to go over

the environmental review.

Tam.

MR. TRAN: My name is Tam Tran. I'm the

Environmental Project Manager for this project, so I

co --I co-manage with Manny Sayoc. So I would like

to cover the environmental review aspect of the

project. The environmental review is performed in

accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act

of 1969, commonly referred to as NEPA, and the NRC

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regulation titled Environmental Protection Regulation

for Domestic Licensing and Related Regulatory

Functions.

NEPA established national policy for

considering environmental impacts and provide the

basic framework for federal environmental reviews. All

federal agencies must follow a systematic approach in

considering potential impacts of the federal actions

and in assessing alternatives to those actions.

The NEPA process allows both public

participation and public disclosure. The Public

Scoping Meeting is what we are participating in today.

Following publication of the draft Supplemental

Environmental Impact Statement for public comments,

the NRC allow an opportunity to hold a second public

meeting during the public comment period on the draft

of the SEIS.

The Environmental Impact Statement serve

two purposes: A, it is a decision tool, and B, it is

a public disclosure document.

Next slide, please.

I would like to discuss what we mean by

scoping. Scoping is the process we will determine the

range of issues and alternative to be considered in

the EIS. Scoping is intended to ensure that concerns

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are identified early and properly evaluated. These

are the objectives of today meeting, to collect in

scoping, so to speak, in collecting scoping comments

in today meeting.

Next slide, please.

With regard to Comanche Peak, the NRC's

proposed action is to decide whether to renew the

Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant's Units 1 and 2

operating licenses for an -- for an additional 20

years.

Scoping meeting is also used to identify

significant issues. For efficiency purpose, NRC

prepare a new Reg 1437, titled the Generic

Environmental Impact Statement for license renewal for

power plants. This Generic EIS or so-called GEIS

identify and evaluate 61 environmental issue that are

generic to all U.S. nuclear power plants; however, the

GEIS or the GEIS also identified 17 environmental

issues that are -- that require an additional

site-specific analysis, the result which will be the

focus of the Supplemental EIS now being prepared.

Scoping also is used to identify

consulting agency, assemble NRC review team, and

determine additional data that may need to be

collected or developed to support the recommended

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analysis.

Next slide, please.

The NRC has issued the following documents

and associated with the environmental scoping process:

The Notice of Intent to Prepare the Supplemental

Environmental Impact Statement, inform the public

about the scoping process, to note,identify federal

actions, comment period, and methods by which comments

can be provided. NRC also issues scoping letters to

the federal, state, and tribal government agencies,

and press releases and newspaper advertisement to

advertise public meetings and scoping process.

At the conclusion of scoping process, NRC

prepares and issues an Environmental Scoping Summary

Report that identify comment received during the

scoping period or write responses to the comments

submitted, and identify any significant iss ue from the

result of the scoping process.

Next slide, please.

For the environmental review, NRC looks at

a wide range of environmental issues and evaluate the

impacts of those issue with respect to license renewal

as shown on this slide. The focus of this review is

on the 17 site-specific issues identified in the GEIS

as well as many new and significant information

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pertaining to the generic environmental issues. The

environmental review considers mitigation for those

impacts that are considered significant. The NRC also

considers the impact of alternatives for license

renewal including the impact of not issuing a renewal

license.

We document our review in the Supplemental

Environmental Impact Statement which is made publicly

available, and we issue the draft Supplemental EIS for

public comments.

Next slide, please.

In conducting our environmental review, we

consult with various federal, state, and local

officials, as well as tribal leaders, and gather

pertinent information from the sources to ensure it is

considered in our analysis. Example of this

consultation include Environmental Protection Agency,

Fish and Wildlife Service, National Marine Fisheries

Service, which is an agency under the National Oceanic

--Oceanic and Atmospheric Administrations.

Ultimately, the purpose of the

environmental review is to determine whether or not

the environmental impacts of license renewal would be

so great that license renewal would become

unreasonable.

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The SEIS will be -- will be considered in

conjunction with our other safety-related reviews in

recommending to the commission whether to renew

Comanche Peak operating licenses.

I would like to turn the presentation back

to Emanuel Sayoc.

MR. SAYOC: Let's go to the next slide,

please.

In summary, before deciding the issue of

the renewed operating license, the commission

considers various factors, including the staff's

safety review, which documents a Safety Evaluation

Report; the staff's environmental review, which

involves preparation of an Environmental Impact

Statement; NRC regional inspection findings and

conclusions; the recommendations for the Advisory

Committee of Reactor Safeguards; and in addition, if a

hearing is conducted, the outcome of that process is

considered as well.

It's the goal of the NRC's staff to

complete this license renewal review and issue a

renewed operating license in 22 months from the time

the application is accepted if a hearing is not

involved. If contentions are offered and admitted to

the hearing, then the schedule is typically extended

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to 30 months to accommodate the hearing process.

That completes my presentation of license

renewal review process, and I'll turn it back over to

our facilitator.

MR. KLUKAN: Great. Manny and Tam, thank

you so much.

So based on a request we received from

some elected officials, we're going to switch up the

order a little bit. So if you look at the agenda, it

has questions about process. We will get to that.

First, we're going to go to any elected officials who

would like to make statements at this time or

representatives from governmental entities, government

agencies and whatnot, who would like to make a

statement on behalf of their entity.

So we're going to go first with

Commissioner Harris.

COMMISSIONER JEFF HARRIS: Thank you. My

name is Jeff Harris, Commissioner here in Somervell

County for Precinct One. And I actually asked if I

could speak first. I have a dinner date with my

spouse of 40 years who will be most upset if I'm late.

So I appreciate the little bit of switch around. She's

very understanding, but I think it only goes so far.

Any rate, I can't say enough positive

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things about the relationship with Somervell County,

with Glen Rose, with our residents and Comanche Peak

Power Plant. I had the privilege of serving as an

education administrator and a teacher for 30 years,

retired in 2015 and needed something to do, so I went

to work at Comanche Peak, working outages, just

part-time help, contract help. It was an eye opener

for me. I learned a whole lot about what goes on out

there, and I -- the first thing that I learned was the

enormous emphasis that's placed on safety,

cleanliness, safety. I can't say it enough.

Production is down the list from those other things.

And they made that very, very clear. I never felt

unsafe. I never felt any, any kind of negativity,

whatsoever.

The impact that it has on our community,

our community is what it is, largely in part, and due

in part to our relationship with Comanche Peak. And I

would propose that we -- that this license be renewed

and that we continue this relationship and that we

continue to produce the power that Texas so

desperately needs.

I shutter to think of what it would have

been a couple years ago during February when we had

the winter storm that came through North Texas and

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affected all of us. I know this building here was

used to house folks that were out of power because,

fortunately, it had power. We had heat, and we housed

folks here that didn't. And there was a lot of people

all over North Texas that were affected by that.

And I'm not an energy expert, I'm not an

electricity expert, and I don't claim to be, but I

feel like without the power that was produced and is

produced at Comanche Peak, that we would have been in

a bind, and that's -- that's my country way of saying

things, I guess.

Again, I can't say enough about the

relationship with the community and the plant,

Comanche Peak Power Plant. It is nothing but positive

for us, people that have careers, that live in this

community out there, people that raise their children

by working out there, and I want to -- to see that

continue.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Next, we'll have Judge

Chambers.

Judge Chambers.

JUDGE DANNY CHAMBERS: Thank you, sir.

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Appreciate it.

And I'll warn everybody up front that I'm

definitely biased, so before I even start talking, I

lean toward the power plant. I'll give you an idea

how old I truly am. I was 11 or 12 years old when

started dirt work out there, blasting dirt work, doing

the dirt work. I worked out there in '79 and '80.

'80, I moved to Dallas, went to school, got married,

moved back here in '85, raised my kids here. So I've

always been very close in proximity to the power

plant. Like Jeff said, you know, Somervell County

wouldn't be what it is today without the nuclear power

plant.

At one time, the nuclear power plant made

up 98 percent of our tax base. I know that's hard to

believe, but that's the way it was '89 through about

'93, '94. 33 years later, they still make up 62 to 63

percent of Somervell County's tax base. I'm just

talking about Somervell County Commissioners Court.

So you see the way that we provide the services we

provide is through, of course, all of our tax bases

that we have, the first responders, the Sheriff's

Department, the schools we have, the hospitals we

have.

And touching on what Jeff said, I know

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many of y'all know this, but we do so many drills

every year with the power plant pertaining to safety.

Every autumn every year, we actually have a graded

exercise. We have NRC, we have FEMA, we have FBI, we

have ATF. We have everybody working pretty much all

over North Texas to handle these drills. So far,

knock on wood, 33 years later, we've never had an

incident that we've had to worry about, but we drill

constantly with the group out there. We have a great

working relationship.

Patrick, Alan has been through so many

more things than he'd rather go through with me, but

he's been through a lot. But it's a great working

relationship.

Like Jeff said, I can't say it enough,

Somervell County would not be what it is today if we

were to lose that. And then, of course, bottom line,

I'd just probably have to be escorted to my car, if we

take it offline right now today, seven years before

the renewal, how do we replace what we put on the grid

from Somervell County. Anyhow, that's it. Thank

y'all very much. Appreciate it.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. Thank

you.

(Audience clapping.)

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MR. KLUKAN: So I know there are other

elected individuals in the room thisevening, but if

you would like to come up now and speak or -- in your

elected capacity, please feel free to do so at this

time, or, as I mentioned, any members or

representatives of tribal nations. Anyone else who

would like to speak in their elected capacity at this

time? Please.

MAYOR PRO TEM CHIP JOSLIN: Hello. My

name is Chip Joslin, and I identify as the Mayor Pro

Tem of Glen Rose, Texas. And I'm also a big supporter

of Comanche Peak. And they've done so much for me,

personally. I graduated here in Glen Rose in 1985.

And like the Judge said, once upon a time, they were

98 percent of our income, and now they're roughly 62,

63, and we need them. We need them for this

community. I'm also very involved in multiple

philanthropic causes here in this town, and they're

always the first to step up. The energy distributors,

I won't give a commercial, but the -- the energy

distributors that work with the plant are always the

first ones to help us in the community.

Next slide.

(Audience laughter.)

I was just making sure you were awake.

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Sorry.

Anyway, but I, you know, I agree, safety

is very important to me. Safety is very important to

our citizens. And I know it is to many of you folks.

And, you know, I know most of you aren't from here.

Some of you may be, but I don't recognize too many of

you. But, you know, if my safety and our citizens'

safety are important to you, come talk to me, you

know. I'm here. I want to hear you. I want to know

what you have to say. I'm very curious, because no

one has talked to me that I don't know really. So if

you're really concerned about our safety, which I

think is of the utmost at Comanche Peak, please come

talk to me, talk to some of the other officials.

So thank you very much for your time.

Please spend a lot of money. I don't know how long

you're staying here, but spend a lot of money in the

hotels, and we have shopping downtown. We really

appreciate it. Thank you very much.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: All right. Any other elected

officials or representatives of government agencies?

Going once, going twice. All right. So thank you for

those of you who did speak in your elected capacity.

We very much appreciate you coming out tonight.

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So we're now going to turn it over to the

process questions section. We have a limited window

before we get into your comments, which is the bulk of

this meeting, for you to ask questions about NRC's

presentation.

Now, about how the NRC goes about a

review. If you have substantive questions about the

application, like, "Why does it say this and on this

page of the application," I would ask you to hold that

as a comment during the comment portion. If you have

questions about like what do you --how --what, you

know, "What are the chapters to the EIS? When will

the EIS be published? How long is -- does the comment

take?" --I'm not trying to prime you, but if you do

have questions about process, this is the time to ask

me. So if you do have a process question, please

raise your hand.

Sure.

MS. CHARLOTTE CONNELLY: Hi. I'm not

trying to control somebody. Are these pictures

supposed to help? Because I don't find them helpful.

And I don't think a presentation with the lack of

slide shows is helpful. I just want to ask you to

change the amount of pictures.

MR. KLUKAN: We appreciate that. Thank

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you. Could you state your name for -- just for the

transcript.

MS. CHARLOTTE CONNELLY: Charlotte

Connelly.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

Any other process questions at this time?

MR. LON BURNAM: Hi. I'm Lon Burnam, and

I'm from Fort Worth. And my question is: Is this

really going to be the only public meeting here in

Glen Rose or are you taking in consideration the 2

million people that live in Tarrant County and have

just as much at stake in what we're discussing tonight

as the people of Glen Rose?

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you for the question.

He's hiding. One second.

Okay. So the question was: Are we

considering additional meetings as part of the

environmental -- did I hear that right -- in other

areas?

Tam, do you want to try to take that?

MR. TRAN: Yeah. At this point, we

typically have one in-person at the location near the

power plant because we want to, as part of the review,

we try to collect local data because we do a

site-specific Environmental Impact Statement, not a

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generic one, so that's important for us, so that's why

we have it here. But also we know that there are

other folks who have interest in the license renewal

at Comanche Peak for which we also conducted a virtual

meeting. That wasJanuary 17.

As far as additional in-person meetings,

if you make requests, then we have our process for

which we would make the decisions.

Do you want to say something about that,

John?

MR. MOSES: Sure. Sure. Sorry.

So your comments and your questions are

very important. Youcan submit those to us tonight.

You can submit those by email or through a web form on

www.regulations.gov until March 13th. We actually

have little cards, if you'd like, you can put it on

your computer, your phone, pull up the Q.R. code, you

can submit your comments. It's -- on one side, you

can submit the comments or questions, and the other

side, you can actually look up the application

materials from the licensee applicant to read more

about what they're proposing and to learn more about

the entire facility.

In terms of public meetings, we did have

the hybrid one on January 17th. We actually extended

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the scoping period to take through March 13th. And,

obviously, we're having this in person. At the --

actually, I don't know if the slides are up, if you

want to put up the page with all the dates.

So once, for the environmental side, they

incorporate and review your comments, the team will

develop an Environmental Impact Statement, or EIS.

That should be completed -- I thought it was in the

fall. Okay. And at that point, another --

Yeah, thanks.

So that should be completed and published

approximately September 2023. At that point, you can

also submit another round of comments about what the

agency has assessed and determined on the

environmental impacts.

The environmental impacts are pretty

wide-ranging. It may have been difficult to see in

the slides. I brought up a few more slides that are a

little larger, or if you want to see the different

types of environmental impacts, it could be on

endange red species, could be on cultural resources, it

could be on ground water, et cetera. So there's a

whole series of different areas that we look at. So

in a sense, this is not your only time for public

comment. There will be another round before the draft

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Environmental Impact Statement.

MR. TRAN: We have a slide up with the

lights.

MR. KLUKAN: Okay. So...

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Couple of things.

And this is not my statement. But it is now, you

know, 35 minutes into this, and you haven't heard from

us, and we would like to talk.

In that first meeting that you had, Mr.

Tran, I'm very good at my computer, and I was not

allowed to talk because I couldn't access. And there

were many of us that could not talk to you personally

because the system didn't work. Why we don't use

Zoom, I have no idea. Everybody uses Zoom. So just

use Zoom for your next meetings. So I would not

consider that meeting a meeting because half of us

didn't get to speak.

(Audience clapping.)

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: So now, you hav e a

one-hour meeting, and you've taken up more than half

of it. So let's get on with talking so that we can

all explain why we decided to come over here, and also

wonder why, where is Glen Rose. Here are all the

executive men, but where are these women?Where are

the women? Wasn't advertised. But that's not my

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statement. I would like to make a statement.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

And just for clarification, we're going

till 9 tonight, so this is not an hour-long meeting.

So, all right, so without any other

process questions, or else, we'll get to it. All

right. Great.

So here's how this is going to work. I'm

going to try to help people, essentially --

UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a

question, please. Would you please clarify the

difference forme in your definition, the difference

between a meeting and a hearing, because I think of a

hearing is you hear from the public, and this is a

meeting where you are speaking, so I'd like

clarification.

MR. KLUKAN: This is not a hearing under

the NRC's definitions. I'm putting on my attorney

hat. There's a process and a sub part or part two of

the NRC's regulations that goes over that. I am not

going to go over the hearing process tonight. That is

outside the scope of this meeting. This is a public

meeting for the purpose of hearing your comments. So

when we say "meeting," that's what we're talking

about. A hearing has a very particular meaning for

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the NRC. I don't have the time to go over that now,

nor is that really the purpose of the meeting. The

purpose is to hear from you. Okay.

All right. Any other process questions?

We're good? Okay. Great.

So there are, as I count, about 20 of you

who have signed up to speak this evening. We have

about an hour-and-a-half to go. I'm going to ask you

-- While I don't do this for elected officials, and

you're asking why didn't I time them, I don't do that

to elected officials. I'm going to ask you to try to

limit this to 4 minutes. I'll hold up a finger, I'll

be standing right there, when you have just one minute

left so you have some time to wrap up your comments.

And, again, if you have longer comments, you can state

it to us in any of the other ways that we mentioned in

the presentation. We'll be happy to help you figure

those out after the meeting.

So without any further ado, I'm going to

call up Lon Burnam.

You're going to speak from this podium.

And I put faith and trust in you in handing you this

microphone that you will give it back to me at some

point. So with that said, again, state your name

before you begin.

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MR. LON BURNAM: Good evening, everybody.

As I said earlier, my name is Lon Burnam. I'm from

Fort Worth. And I am one of the founding members of

the Citizens for Fair Utility Regulation. We took

opposition to the initial licensing for operation all

the way to the Supreme Court.

I'll congratulate Vistra and all the

previous owners that it hasn't turned out to be as bad

as we expected, but there are a lot of problems with

the operation of this plant.

First of all, I want to extend my sym pathy

to the people that live here in Somervell County

because it is a truism, no matter where you are in the

country, if you are a one-industry town, your

leadership has not done a good enough job about

expanding your economic base. Unfortunately, you've

had half a century to expand your economic base.

The problem with this plant goes back to

the mid-Seventies when the utility companies got DPS

to spy on citizens for raising questions about the

safety of this plant.

So, I've been in Fort Worth virtually all

my life. I've been opposed to nuclear power since I

was in high school and read what David Brower had to

say about it. For 18 years, I was a state

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representative from central city Fort Worth before I

got to the legislature. And ever since I left 10

years ago, a primary issue and concern of mine is what

to do with the waste.

This gimme cap says, "Nuclear waste is not

your friend." On the backside, I have a button that

says, "Mutants for nuclear power."

One of the first science classes I had in

high school, I studied genetics. But let me tell you,

as a cancer survivor, I am really angry, not just

about the fact that I had to come to Glen Rose for a

public meeting; I'm really angry at the NRC and the

way they have conducted their business over the

decades. I'm really angry about being a cancer

patient and not knowing what environmental issue

caused my cancer, but it's a good chance the

background radiation that we have created over the

last 50 years, if it didn't contribute to my cancer,

it has contrib uted to the cancer of a lot of people in

Somervell County because there's constant low level

emissions in that radiation.

So this evening when you hear various

speakers, I want you to understand, a bunch of us have

been through a whole bunch of EIS processes over

decades and we know the fraudulent process when we see

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it, and this is one of them. We're going to be

raising questions and we're going to be challenging

the whole notion that you can narrowly define your

EIS, when in reality there are huge issues that you

should be talking about in this process.

The first one is just the aging of the

plant. It wasn't built right in the first place. It

took over two decades to build it. Spent almost 11

billion dollars to build it, and charged the utility

consumers in North Texas over a 25 percent rate

increase in the early Nineties. That aging reactor is

more dangerous than when it started 30 years ago.

There's cracks and embrittlement issues that need to

be explored.

The earthen dam. Life expectancy of an

ear then dam in this state may be 50 years if it's not

afflicted by all sorts of earthquakes that are caused

by the fracking and injection that's been going on in

this region.

I was on the Energy Resources Committee of

the Texas House of Representatives when we were having

so many earthquakes in this immediate area, and people

--the industry decided maybe they should back off a

little bit. Economic issues. We reduced those

numbers of quakes -- I mean the fracking --

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earthquakes because of the fracking.

Let's talk about the drought. Guys, you

may be into denial about climate change, but it's

real, and we're in a drought. And there's a very real

issue about the access to water and whether or not

there's enough water to cool this plant and meet the

needs of people in Granbury as well.

And let's talk about that waste issue,

which I have specialized in for over a decade. For

over half a century, people have promised us that

they're going to figure this problem out, and they

haven't. So why, why, why should we keep digging a

hole and making it deeper and a bigger problem when we

haven't solved that problem in over 50 years.

I say let's have a real scoping exercise,

and let's do a real EIS on the comprehensive aspect of

the many problems that you're going to hear about

tonight. Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. So in

order to --for the sake of efficiency, I'm going to

now read out the name of the next person as well as

the person who will be following them so they are

prepped togo.

So next we'll have Danny Bradford. Danny

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Bradford. And then after Danny, we'll have Joshua

Worthey. So Danny, and then Joshua.

MR. DANNY BRADFORD: May have the public

scrutiny to stand up in a crowd and not be in front of

it. Just a little bit abo ut myself. Let me introduce

myself. My name is Danny Bradford.

UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBERS: We can't

hear you.

MR. DANNY BRADFORD: Oh, okay. I don't do

karaoke so I didn't know if maybe I had to use the

microphone.

My name is Danny Bradford. At age17, I

signed up to join the United States Navy, to go

through the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, at 17,

and I remember seeing on the Channel 5 News that Unit

2 in February of 1993 got its operating license. I'm

like, you know, when I get out of the Nav y, I'll just

go to work at Comanche Peak. I didn't know we had a

nuclear plant in Texas.

So after I got out of the Navy, I had a

brief stint at a steel mill as an electrician. And

after two weeks, I was ready to run back to the safety

of nuclear power, because safety is truly number one

at our industry.

But I'm not here to talk about Comanche

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Peak as an employer. I'm a Glen Rose resident as

well, so I'm here to talk about Comanche Peak as a

community partner. Both my kids have gone to school

here. I have a sophomore and an eighth grader.

They've gone all through Glen Rose school, elementary,

intermediate, junior high, now in high school. And if

you've had the chance to check out our facilities,

they're fantastic. We get to live in a small

community, but we have a lot of bigger city amenities.

We have a arena for basketball. Our football field is

fantastic. So I get to live here in a small town and

have a great school to send my kids to.

Comanche Peak is loved by us residents. I

mean, you probably -- you guys probably think I'm

biased though. Glen Rose does love us. They

absolutely do. We are volunteers. We will go out and

volunteer in the community. I take a group up to Fort

Worth to make sandwiches for homeless shelters. We

judge science fairs. We do community projects. And

it's just a great community partner. So, and I'm

proud to work at Comanche Peak. I'm also proud to be

a Glen Rose resident. Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

Joshua. Joshua will be followed by Chuck

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O'Dell, and then Mike Stakes.

MR. JOSHUA WORTHEY: Thank you. All

right. I'm Joshua Worthey. I am the business manager

and financial secretary of International Brotherhood

of Electrical Workers Local Union 220. I also have

spent the last seven years as an operator here at

Comanche Peak. I'm also a veteran and a father of

three.

I ask the NRC consider this license

extension for Comanche Peak in a timely and efficient

manner. Comanche Peak has served the local community

with significant jo b creations and community aid. As

Mr. Bradford pointed out, this community has benefited

in significant ways. This facility employs an

extremely large number of veterans, as do most nuclear

facilities across this entire country. Comanche Peak

has operat ed in a safe and efficient, environmentally

clean manner for roughly 30 years. Most recently in

those 30 years, Comanche Peak held the line. Its

highly-trained operators and maintenance personnel

performed their jobs admirably, keeping the Texas grid

online during Winter Storm Uri, potentially saving

thousands of lives.

Again, I just ask that everybody consider

this and move forward and accept this licensing

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extension.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Next, we have Chuck O'Dell,

followed by Mike Stakes.

MR. CHUCK O'DELL: Good evening. My name

is Chuck O'Dell. I'm also a Comanche Peak employee.

I live in Granbury. I moved here about five years

ago. I've been in the nuclear power business since

1990, in the commercial world, but I also went in the

U.S. Navy, got out, figured out what I wanted to do,

and really the best thing in the world is the nuclear

power field. It is safe. It is reliable. Our motto

here is safety, quality, and schedule. So we focus,

very first thing, every meeting, every discussion, how

are we going to be safe today, industrial,

radiological, plant-wise, people-wise, everything.

That's the first thing out of the chute every meeting

every single day. Every avenue of focus we go

through, safety, quality, schedule. So that pressure

that you feel sometimes where people feel about

nuclear power, that's the bottom of the rung. Safety,

quality, schedule, always in that order.

And I'm a huge advocate for Comanche Peak

Nuclear Power Station. I worked in another utility

entity at Arkansas Nuclear One for 27 years before I

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came here. This plant right here is highly qualified.

The operators Josh talked about, great operator

crews, great people, they work hard, they know the

plant, they study, they're smart. They are probably

the most conscious organization, the engineering

folks, the maintenance folks, the licensing folks.

Everybody comes to work every single day wanting to do

the right thing, protect the health and safety of the

public, safely generate electricity for the state of

Texas.

My family lives in Glen Rose. My daughter

lives just south of Waco. I've got three kids that

live in Arkansas still. As soon as they get out, one

gets out of law school, one gets out of school,

they're moving down here to Granbury. This is a great

place, great community, great power plant to have in

the area.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

Next, I've been told that Mike isn't here

with us this evening, so we will go to Terry McIntire.

Terry McIntire.

And then,Terry, you will be followed by

Steve Willis. So, Terry.

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MR. TERRY MCINTIRE: Thank you. I'm

actually a long-time resident here. My family is --

owns a family farm that borders Somervell and Hood

County, been in the family since 1850s. Family

cemetery where my great, great, great grandparents are

buried. When I visit the family cemetery, the first

thing I drive past is evacuation siren. Kind of

interesting it's beside a cemetery. I -- I would like

this plant to be safe for my great, great, great

grandchildren. And so far, I guess it has been for

me.

My first knowledge of the plant, let's

talk about taxes, which it was probably put here

because the tax base was so low. That was kind of a

general consensus of everybody I knew here then. It

was really low, so, the taxes in Somervell County,

let's put the nuclear power plant there. And the

taxes have done some really good things. We have the

Expo Center. The schools are really commendable.

There's also been some bad things, you

know. City governmentwas a large part of trying to

stop the flow of the river through a national natural

landmark. We spent 20 years trying to fight that.

That would never happen without the taxes from the

power plant. So they do bad things as well.

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My concerns are the wate r and air quality.

Danny kind of mentioned that you have a control

incident, you have drills and things, but what about

afterwards? What happens afterwards?

Waste storage. We were told at the time

at Stephenville there will be some kind of an off-site

waste storage. As far to my knowledge, that's never

happened. All the waste is still stored on site. I

suspect it will, always will be, be managed, managed

or mismanaged forever there.

I worry about the seismic activity here.

When I was a kid, there wasno seismic activity. It

seems to increase over the years. If it keeps

increasing and gets worse, is that going to affect the

power plant, affect the cooling reservoir? Maybe. Who

knows.

Drought. We've seen Lake Granbury get

very low a couple of times.If we run out of water,

the people need more water as the population grows, is

there going to be water in the towers?

Terrorism. You know, nuclear power plants

are just targets for terrorism, watch out for

terrorism. I worry about that. I'd like to hear an

answer to that.

And oversight. I remember during the

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construction phase, I heard all these stories from

people, a lot of people that worked there when I was

in college at the time. I heard stories about

carpenters that couldn't read yardsticks, about

welders that were here illegal with no Social Security

number, and they were very relaxed on regulations with

asbestos. And I know these were probably fixed, but

it was just poor oversight, and it gave me an

uncomfortable feeling this being built here. In fact,

it was built and rebuilt so many times and so much

money was spent on that.

But my question is just oversight in the

future. What if the local utility district becomes as

lax when future management is working construction on

this project? I me an, one incident, and that's it for

us. We're gone from this area forever. Just some

things for us to think about.

If -- I'd like to see a formal hearing

happen. And if this could be used, we should make

sure this is as safe as possible and guaranteed safe

for the foreseeable future, very far into the future.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

Next, we have Steve Willis. Steve will be

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followed by Payton Fletcher.

MR. STEVE WILLIS: My name is Steve

Willis. I moved here into Somervell County in 1978.

They were building the power plant. We knew the power

plant was going to come online. My family, my parents

chose to bring us here because it was a good community

to grow up in.

I have raised my son here. I have now

grandchildren that live here. And I serve in the

community taking care of people. I have a servant

heart. God gave me that. And if I had concerns about

the power plant being dangerous, being hazardous, then

I would not be here. I wouldn't be here and I

would n't have my children here, my grandchildren here.

But that's not the case. I've also worked out there,

also taking care of people, and dealing with

regulatory compliance. And I can tell you that the

plant is -- goes to every extreme necessary to protect

the people of this community and those neighboring us.

I have been involved in emergency

management activities. I'm glad the Judge is not here

anymore because I'm going to contradict him. He said

we never have used the training, the rehearsals, the

drills. We have used those. They just weren't

nuclear related. We had wildfires that we used our

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emergency management training that the plant provided

us to help us manage a very huge incident. We've had

natural disasters that, again, we used the training

and the provisions that the plant provided us to take

care of that.

So let's put the money aside. Let's put

the --all the other beliefs aside.

Ma'am, I know a lot of women in this

county, and they're very vocal. They would be here if

they had concerns about Comanche Peak. They would be

on Facebook if they had concerns about Comanche Peak,

because, believe me, they're on there all the time,

about the government and several other things. So the

reason that you don't see any more people here from

Glen Rose is because they're not concerned, because

they know that the people that are taking care of the

facility, that are taking care of the regulations --

you know, there's two Nuclear Regulatory Commission

officers that stay, that office at Comanche Peak to

provide additional government oversight. You don't

see that in many other industries. You don't see

that.

And they also partner with the OSHA

Administration. And I deal with them on a regular

basis to do with, you know, people safety.

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So to think that the plant is not safe, to

think that it's doing -- they're doing something that

they haven't -- I don't know where the science is

coming from about emissions because, you know, I look

at all that. It's not there.

So I just ask the Nuclear Regulatory

Commission to seriously consider extending the

license. The money is already spent to get the plant

going. There's an operating cost, but the big bucks

have already been spent. Now we have electricity that

we depend on as citizens to keep us comfortable,

prepare our foods. And I can tell you that if you

took these two units offline, then there's not enough

wind and there's not enough sun to replace it.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: So next up will be Payton

Fletcher. Payton will be followed b y Dwayne Griffin.

MR. PAYTON FLETCHER: Thank you very much.

This is the LRA, the License Renewal

Application. A thousand-one-hundred pages. What I

really want to do is I want to reach in here and grab

a single page and say "Is there anyone in this room

who can read it, understand it, and explain it?"

Because it would surprise me if there is. Now, I

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admit, I've only spent about 10 hours1.157407e-4 days <br />0.00278 hours <br />1.653439e-5 weeks <br />3.805e-6 months <br /> trying to

decipher what that says. And I don't have a detailed

background in nuclear engineering, but come on. That

doesn't provide any usable information to someone who

doesn't have probably a Master's Degree in Nuclear

Engineering.

I'd like to start off by talking about

what I fear as the worst day that can happen at

Comanche Peak or any other nuclear reactor. I learned

a new phrase while I was researching Comanche Peak:

Open air nuclear reactor fire. Now, the only time

this has ever happened on the planet has been at a

place called Chernobyl.

When I was worried about Chernobyl was

when I was in Germany. I was worried that my kids

would get radiated because they were only a few

thousand miles from the Chernobyl plant.

On the 25th and 26th of 1986, a scheduled

safety test went wrong. They had the written

procedures standing there in front of them, and

instead of following step one, two, three, they did

something different, and so much steam built up inside

the reactor that it blew the top of the reactor off.

So there was nothing between heaven and the reactor

except air. 33 people died in the first couple of

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days. Any guesses who those people were? They were

first responders. Even though all the safety alarms

had been turned off, they figured out what was

happening and they rolled, on their last mission.

They didn't survive Chernobyl because they did their

job.

If you know a first responder, and I know

a bunch, put them at the top of your prayer list

tonight, folks, because we are blessed to have them

all.

And folks that took care of the power

plant at Chernobyl were not any slouches. They were

the finest engineers, the finest rescue and

firefighters that you can imagine. They just were in

a bad place at a bad time because of human error.

Thousands of people had to be evacuated.

They still can't go back. So imagine if they knocked

on your door and say you have t o leave, and they never

told you you could go back. That's not what you want

to do, especially if your family is buried in the

cemetery there.

The city, the state of Ukraine has 36,000

widows, who the reason for their widow is because of

Chernobyl. 36,00 0 women who receive a pension because

their husbands died from Chernobyl. It's hard to

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believe.

A good friend of mine a few days after

Chernobyl happened, was looking in -- was walking

through Kensington Park, admiring the pretty clouds. A

business colleague came up and said, "They've just

said we're supposed to take our kids, get them inside

and lock the windows and doors." A few days later,

the BBC announced that there was a mass culling of

wild stock, sheep, and in Scandinavia, reindeer.

So if we thinkthe 10 miles or any other

limited range is going to take care of the problem if

we have our worst day, we're just dreaming. The

people who work out there can tell you we're dealing

with mother nature at her most powerful and

potentially at her most unforgiving. Let's hope we

look really detailed at what we're doing before we

keep it going for another 20 years.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: So again --

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

Up next, we will have, again, Dwayne

Griffin, Dwayne Griffin. Dwayne not here with us?

Okay.

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We will go to Brian Jones then. Is Brian

with us? No, no Brian either. Okay. Cross those

names off the list.

So now we will go to Susybelle, Susybelle

Gosslee. Susybelle will be followed by -- got my

pages out of order -- by Doreen Geiger. So Susybelle,

and then Doreen.

MS. SUSYBELLE GOSSLEE: I am Susybelle

Gosslee. I am in Dallas, Texas. And I thank you for

having an in-person public meeting in the area where

Comanche Peak N uclear Reactor is located. I -- I beg

you to have an in-person public hearing. There is a

difference. The NRA's public comment process has not

been well-publicized to inform the public about this

meeting and the license review process in a thorough

mann er, in a very public manner, in a broad -- through

the broad population of Texas, and to be clear for the

general public to understand what a nuclear power

plant does, how it does it.

When the last online Internet meeting was

held, many people could not enter the process and

participate. Many people in Texas do not have access

to an Internet. And so many people who would be

affected by any accident at any nuclear power plant in

this area, there's one, Comanche Peak, they would not

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know that even this nuclear power plant existed.

The Office of the Federal Register is

unknown to most people in this country and is an

inadequate notice location to invite people to

participate in a democratic process in a democratic

government. Transparency and accountabilityare key

elements of good government and make democracy work.

We want and we need a public hearing.

The principles of good government include

participation by the public, an informed

participation; the rule of law, this --the law must

be fair, indiscriminate, enforced, and adhered to,

especially the law of human rights.

Transparency is another principle. The

freedom of the flow of information in various

institutional processes must be easily accessible. I

have concern that this process has not followed the

principles of a democracy or good government. The --

basically, the notices have been hidden.

I have driven around this city, and I've

driven around some of the county, and I tell you, I

think it's beautiful. I wish I'd known about it

before I moved t o Dallas because I can see what loving

people you have living in this area, and I appreciate

all of the benefits that you have. And I know that

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many people are afraid of losing their jobs, but you

know, there's another way to look at this. Comanche

Peakcould diversify and develop sustainable energy.

You could do that and still have jobs. Many jobs

would be available to you within the sustainable

energy field, so then the only jobs are not going to

be at Comanche Peak. The sustainable energy needs all

kinds of electricians and plumbers, et cetera.

Glen Rose is a beautiful place, and

everyone I have met here is perfectly lovely. I

appreciate meeting some of the people here tonight and

seeing what gracious people you are. The people who

are attending her e and have concerns about the nuclear

reactor have legitimate concerns. Let's talk to each

other because we all live in the same state, we're all

going to be affected if there's an accident. An

additional 20 years of operation of a plant that is

becoming brittle and is aging out causes problems for

lots of people. And we have to think about the broad

perspective, not just what happens to me. I'm

thinking also about what happens to you, your

children, your access to your cemeteries, your access

to all your friends that grew up and lived here. We

all want to live together. We all want to live

forever and have our families go on forever.

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So that is why I support the best for your

community, and I hope that you will keep your mind

open to hear what people like me have to say, and I

hope that we will build a relationship and be friends

forever, and we will be safe with sustainable energy.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

So after Doreen, we will go to Danny

Bradford, and then Kerry --Karen Hadden.

MS. DOREEN GEIGER: Please, do not give

Comanche Peak a 20- year extension on their aging Unit

1 and Unit 2 Nuclear Reactors. We demand a hearing.

I have two major concerns: First, the

earthquakes in the area of Texas has put safety of

Coma nche Peak at risk. There are injection wells and

fracking in the region that caused several small

earthquakes in recent years. What will any future

fracking do to Comanche Peak? What impacts will this

have on the reactors or the Squaw Creek earthen dam

that holds back water containing tritium? What will

happen to water levels in Squaw Creek Reservoir and

how will homeowners be impacted?

Second, please include in your scoping the

additional waste storage issues if this plant operates

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until 2053. Will all additional high-grade nuclear

waste be stored only in Comanche Peak? Please do not

ever think about transporting it anywhere. That would

be too dangerous. The very recent train derailment in

East Palestine, Ohio is proof the damage derailments

can cause. According to the federal government's

Bureau of Transportation statistics, in the past 31

years, there have been 54,593 accidents in which a

train derailed. That is an average of 1,704

derailments every year. Texas Governor Abbott has

already sued to prevent high-grade waste from being

transported into, within, or out of Texas.

Thank you very much.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Okay. Next, we will have

Danny Bradford, Danny Bradford.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: He's already

been up.

MR. KLUKAN: He's already been up.

MR. DANNY BRADFORD: Yeah.

MR. KLUKAN: Oh, there you are. You're

the same. There aren't two of you. Okay.

Next, we will have Karen Hadden. Karen

Hadden.

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And then Karen will be followed by

LaVonne. LaVonne. Okay. Great. All right. So

we'll have Karen next, and then LaVonne.

MS. KAREN HADDEN: Hello. My name is

Karen Hadden. I do not live in Glen Rose or Granbury,

but I appreciate the beauty in this area. And I do

like to come visit, and I have, and I love Dinosaur

Valley State Park. I think you're lucky to live here.

I'm happy to hear from the people here who are happy

with their jobs, with their families, with their

schools. I respect that. I think everyone does. But

I wonder sometimes why the community doesn't know more

about the everyday operations of nuclear reactors. And

I would contend that the reason that there's not more

vocal people here, there's only people on the payroll,

is because nobody told most of those people. They did

not know. And that is a conclusion I reached after

coming into town to try to talk to people and let them

know what was going on. No one seemed to know, and

I'm really sorry about that.

My main concern about operating this

reactor that was designed for 40 years of operation is

that it was not designed for 60. And if you read the

literature, you find that nuclear reactors, especially

pressurized water reactors like we have here, are

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prone to metal fatigue and embrittlement.

Now, embrittlement, okay, we might think

that's no big deal, but when you look into the

studies, in some cases, metal can actually become like

glass after its been under high pressure and

temperature for a long period of time, and also

neutron bombardment, it can shatter.

So when I look through -- And I read much

of that big document, not all of it. It's actually

2281 total pages. And, um, when I read it, there was

not an analysis of where we are right now with

Comanche Peak in terms of embrittlement and metal

fatigue. It called for studies to be done on numerous

safety features with the results being available in

2030 and 2033. That's right before the additional 20

years. And I maintain that our process is backwards.

First, there should be the study of what the shape of

the reactor is today, right now, and how much we're

going to have to spend to fix and repair it, if it's

possible, if necessary, and then, then should come a

decision on whether to give it another 20 years. This

is backwards, and it's not in the interest of public

safety.

There are routine emissions. A lot of

people don't even know about that, but nuclear

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reactors are allowed, under federal law, to release

radioactive materials into the air, water and soil.

And this is what happens to various organs

in your body that get imp acted and exposed. I'm going

to leave that in the back for anybody who wants to

look at it.

There are studies about this. If you

don't think that it's happening, you can google

Comanche Peak Radiologic Report, and you will find the

emissions from this rea ctor. So I encourage you to do

so, because there's a lot of ranches and farms around

here.

I maintain that if you were to clean up

and close down these reactors as planned, that you've

got plenty of time, there could be plenty of time for

a transition to where workers could keep jobs, new

technologies can come in, cleaner energy.

I do -- I'm grateful for the fact that

Comanche Peak reactors did not go down during Winter

Storm Uri. That is important. We were so close to

losing the grid. However, down in South Texas, Unit 1

went down the very start of the storm and did not come

back online until it was over. Now, that is not

reliable. And I know that's not you and that's not

here, but that is a major part of our grid. What kept

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us alive this last timewas that the wind from South

Texas came in stronger than anticipated, and that is

the reason why the whole grid didn't go down when

there were a lot of gas plants were having problems.

So it is time to consider newer technologies, newer

jobs.

I also want to talk briefly about the

discharge. If you find -- if you go back to like page

2260 and go from there to 2281, you'll find some

letters in the environmental report that address the

discharge water is very, very hot. About 112 degrees

is some of the temperatures, averages that were

mentioned. Now, that is a breeding ground for

bacteria, and there are numerous bacteria that are

breeding there. There are also amoebas being

generated there, the kind that can infect the brain

and lead to death, the kind that we worry about losing

people across the state of Texas in the hot weather.

The plant said, okay, nobody can swim in Comanche Peak

Reservoir. Fine. But people are getting into boats,

and don't you think they're getting their feet wet,

don't you think they're getting in the water getting

out there to go fishing. So I do have concerns about

health and safety.

There are concerns about 20 more years of

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operating and creating additional waste for which we

have no good solution, no permanent repository. If

and when consolidating end-term storage gets approved

for West Texas, that means people in this region are

going to have heavy-duty, high-level waste going on

trains across the region. And that is not especially

safe as well.

I'm going to go ahead and hand you a

couple of these documents.

And before I wrap up, I want to say that

this process, I'm glad that you're here tonight, but

this process has not been open and transparent. I

have been so distraught with how this process has gone

on with the canceling of a meeting that was set up

here in January, which a lot of people were ready to

attend and had worked really hard through the holidays

to be able to be here. So that got cancelled,

supposedly because of COVID in the area. However,

when I asked was there any warning anybody heard of

about COVID in the area, none of the local people ever

heard of it. No businesses closed. No schools

closed.

Then there was an online meeting at which

many of the participants -- I'm not through yet. Many

of the participan ts did not get a chance to speak, and

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that's why I'm asking for an additional amount of time

because I was one of the people that did not get any

time at an online meeting. And that was because of

technology. And it was because so many of us could

not ev en get in. I was so angry that I took the time

to write to the Inspector General of the Nuclear

Regulatory Commission. And for the first time, I got

somebody to listen. We sent in a letter from a

Congressman. So, no, this has not been an open

process.

And, no, the local community, I don't see

too many people here that are not employees of the

plant that are here begging for everything to stay. I

think the local community does not know what's going

on. When I talk to people about it, they say, oh,

well, we are concerned about our children, and maybe a

brighter future would appear if we went ahead and

retired in a timely manner, kept the income coming in,

and then brought in new industry.

So I thank you for listening. You may or

may not agree with what I'm saying, but I'll doc up

and I'll back up any facts with documentation. And I

urge you to think seriously. I do not think that this

license renewal should be approved. And I think

you're doing it in the wrong order, that there needs

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to be a study of the embrittlement first and the price

tag, because utility consumers and customers are

potentially going to get hit with skyrocketing bills

for repairs later down the line.

Thank you very much.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

All right. After LaVonne, we will have

Suzanne Mabe, Suzanne Mabe. Okay. Great.

So you're up.

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: First of all, I

want to thank Mr. Sayor (sic), Mr. Tran, Mr. Moses,

Mister -- Ms. Alferink, Alferink. Hope I got that

right. And, I'm sorry, I didn't get your name -- for

coming. They're from -- they came from Washington to

Glen Rose. I'm sure that -- I don't know if that was

a shock. I don't know where you came from, but I love

Glen Rose.

I want to tell a story. In May of 1980,

Somervell County Judge Sam Freas died of a massive

heart attack the day before he was to hold court over

the people that climbed the fence in protest of this

plant. Judge Sam Freas was my uncle, my Uncle Sam. He

was much adored. And I spent many, many, many days in

Glen Rose with my cousins, at the Methodist camp,

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walking in the dinosaur tracks before they forbade you

to do that.

And I live in Fort Worth, have almost all

my life, but Glen Rose is like Fort Worth to me. I

have cousins here. I don't know where Geo rge is, but

he was the mayor of Glen Rose at one time. And Judge

Freas, my Uncle Sam, was adored. I don't know how old

you guys are, but if you remember him, he was a

fantastic person. And the stress of this plant killed

him.

The first trial that he held was a

mistrial. So Washington called him perpetually to

make sure this plant got stood up. But what was going

on with our family about this plant was that the

contracts -- contractors were stealing us blind. They

were taking -- they were not mixing the concrete

correctly. They were not putting in the rebar

correctly. The electrical wiring was brittle. The

"this" and the "that", and it was awful. And the

family joke was: The wind blows north.

But if that plant fails, it is the size of

Pennsylvania. And that's why I'm here from Fort Worth

coming back to Glen Rose that I totally love. So I'm

not an outsider. I'm an insider. I will be impacted,

and my children in Frisco and Wiley will be impacted

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also. So please accept us.

Why aren't the women here? They don't

know that 37 percent rise in childhood leukemia in a

report from Europe of all of their power plants for

anybody, any child living in a three-mile radius of

that plant. I don't know. I know somebody has a farm

within three miles of that plant, but that's a huge

increase.

And as you know, because the Academy of

National Sciences tells us, no amount of radiation, no

amount of radiation is good. It all impacts your DNA,

every bit of it. None is good. And that plant is

emitting. And the women in this town need to know

this, radiation every time they blow this stack. The

men might know this if you work out there, but you

haven't told your wife that you brought them to this

town where the possibility of cancer is greater.

Now, it's crazy because our real problem

in Texas is not energy. It's the threads that carry

our energy. It is on a shoestring and a thin wire.

And if you know anybody in the industrial solar

business, like I do, knows that the huge massive

failure in energy in Texas, that is coming, is because

of the distribution lines. So not putting solar and

not putting some wind locally, on your house, and near

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you, is probably one of the worst decisions you can

make. And instead of standing up this in licensing

it, we should be taking our money and making sure we

have panels and maybe a geothermal system going down

underground to heat and cool ourselves, because I like

heat and cooling also.

Last thing is: You had two announcements

in two -- in one newspaper about these meetings, Hood

County. I have them right here if you'd like to see

them. As I wrote mine, I -- and someone walked up and

said, oh, you don't have to tell us within 50 miles.

Is that true, Mr. Tran?

MR. TRAN: I'm sorry?

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Do you have to

inform us of a meeting or the license renewal within a

50- mile radius of this plant, citizens, or is it just

10 miles? Anybody know?

MR. TRAN: Should I?

MR. KLUKAN: Sure.

MR. TRAN: It's a part of the

Environmental Impact Statement. We do consider 50

miles.

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Okay.

MR. TRAN: However, like I said, because

this is a sizable city, there's a generic

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environmental statement. As I mentioned in our

presentation, this is a site-specific environmental

statement, so we try to get information mor e locally.

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Okay.

MR. TRAN: So it's a -- it's a form of

priority. That's how we focus.

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Right. So --

MR. TRAN: But again, like I'm saying,

that we can have also a process where we -- people can

request, and then that we have a process for which we

can make a decision as far as in-person meetings and

so on.

MS. LAVONNE COCKERELL: Right. But you do

see the -- I taught school. I know policies and

procedures. You do see the problem with that policy

and procedure. Hood County is 15 miles from Glen

Rose. There was never a public meeting announcement

for the people of Glen Rose.

So we need to do a better --It needs to

be better, because you are us and we are you, and

we're not -- I don't want to be contentio us, but I do

want to be specific. My neighbors didn't know about

this. I posted it on my Facebook page, and everybody

went, "What? What?" Because we all want clean energy

and that is -- You may have a spick-and-span building,

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but that is not a clean ene rgy source, not in any way,

shape or form.

Thank you very much.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

All right. After Suzanne, we will then

have David Gray. And then David will be followed by

Tom "Smitty" Smith.

So Suzanne, and David, then Tom.

MS. SUZANNE MABE: My name is Suzanne

Mabe. I do live in Fort Worth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hold it closer

to your mouth, please.

MS. SUZANNE MABE: What? Now can you hear

me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: You got it.

MS. SUZANNE MABE: Okay. Suzanne Mabe. I

live in Fort Worth. I'm one of the founding members

for Citizens for Fair Utility Regulation with Lon

Burnam and my late sister Betty Brink. And they

worked on this for a long, long time in the original

unit, and it's interesting to see that we'r e having to

go back over this again, and with all of the problems

that occurred.

And I -- I want to take issue with the --

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is it (indiscernible) saying this is clean energy. It

may be not like coal and oil and gas and fossil fuels,

but it's not clean when you have waste products that

last for millions of years. And so that's -- that's a

concern for me. And it's a concern.

I know it's been interesting listening to

all the people in Glen Rose who have to work here and

live here. And I can understand what a shock this

would be to the community if they were just to shut it

down, but we have, like, eight to ten years to look

for other types of energy and something that --more

like solar and wind. And I read this in the paper the

other day, that they were using methane out of the

landfills. And so there's a lot of things out there

that could be developed or improved in the last --

before the plant goes offline.

And I would like to have things like that

included in a public hearing for the community and

peop le. I'm not an engineer, I don't claim to be one,

but there are a lot of things that concern just

average citizens like myself, and we'd like for you to

take those into consideration when you decide about

having a hearing, because I think that would be real

important to a lot more people as they find out about

it, so...

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But thank you for having this meeting and

allowing us to speak. Okay.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you. Thank you very

much.

And then after David, we will have Tom

"Smitty" Smith.

MR. DAVID GRAY: Hello. I'm David Gray. I

first want to point out that this is an EIS scoping

meeting. Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have contested

an EIS in Dallas. And, basically, they're only

interested in things that might have an environmental

impact. So it's good that you all have had a chance

to express your feelings, pro and con, and whatnot,

but tonight, these people only care about things that

might have an environmental impact. So there might be

a better forum for you to talk to the people who

really care about whether this is a good thing or a

bad thing. And that might be a hearing.

In case of the safety review, there's no

public meetings until after the review is issued,

according to this flow chart.

The second thing I want to say is it's

nice to hear that so many of the employees feel safe

here at this plant. That may not be a big deal,

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because 23 nuclear plants have been decommissioned

over the last few decades. And only one new plant

perhaps has been built in recent years.

The price of solar and wind energy

compared to the long-term cost of running a nuclear

plant, by that I mean not including the capital cost,

just the operating expenses, is right now about the

same. And the cost of wind and solar will continue to

go down, in addition to batteries and other kinds of

energy storage. So the day may come long before this

license renewal is given that this group decides that

they're not going to run this plant anymore. You

think the people in Irving care what goes on here in

Somervell County? I doubt it, not very much.

So the point is that your plant, and in

particular as was pointed out earlier, the

embrittlement, the decay, the -- all of the costs for

repairs and the upkeep and the maintenance, will

certainly become even worse ove r the coming years, and

the cost to keep this plant open and running will be

prohibitive, and the plant will be decommissioned,

despite whatever people think about it.

So I submit that this EIS, you do an

economic analysis of the future of this plant, include

in that what it's going to take to decommission it.

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Think about what that means. They have to dismantle

this plant. All of that stuff is radioactive. What

is going to happen to it? Where is it going to go? Is

it going to stay here? Is it going to be spread

around? Well, that's a big issue that I think this

Environmental Impact Statement has to cover in some

detail.

And I think that the public should have a

bigger voice in this. I don't know what the right

forum is, but as far as the EIS goes, that is an

important part of this discussion.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Okay. Thank you.

So after Tom, we will go to Rita Beving,

and then --Is Rita here? Okay.

And then we'll go to Mavis, Mavis Belisle.

Okay. Great.

All right. With that, I'llturn it over

to Tom.

MR. TOM "SMITTY" SMITH: Good evening,

everybody, and thanks for coming out. My name is Tom

Smith. I'm better known as "Smitty". And I have a

lot of concerns about the additional 20- year licensing

that's being proposed almost a deca de before it has to

be and before we know what's really going on with the

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conditions inside this plant.

I'm an aging man. I see my friends die

and get sick because of very predictable diseases.

Their arteries, just like pipes in an old plant, get

full of crap, and all the sudden, their circulation

systems don't work nearly as well. Those arteries

burst in their systems and leak. They get shaky. I'm

an old man, and I'm starting to get shaky. And I'm

concerned every day about embrittlement, and I see it

bringing down my friends.

This sort of stuff, the impact of aging,

needs to be studied long before the relicensing

decision is made, and certainly before the reports are

going to be final in the 2030 era.

I was around when this plant was first

being consi dered and licensure discussed. One of the

issues that was raised in those days was seismic

activity. And the NRC just doesn't often stop

construction of a plant because somebody has raised

issues, but there was such significant concerns that

even the NRC listened. And what they did was, they

said because of concerns about the pinch points

between the parts of the plant crushing those wires

and stopping the ability to control those plants, that

they're going to put all the wiring in sway trays as a

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way ofcompensating potential seismic activity.

That's worked. But what we see now today

is quaking across Texas is increasing, not because of

the geology of the state, but because of manmade

earthquakes due to fracking and waste disposal.

And as much as we keep telling ourselves

we have our emissions in control in the air, it's

getting worse because they're sticking all that stuff

underground. And our oil and gas industries persist

to continue to inject substances that cause quaking.

That brings me to another very big

concern. That dam was built in 1973. It's an earthen

dam with a limited lifetime. There are a lot of

sedimentation going on behind that dam. The D -- TCEQ

in their inspections said that this is a high-risk dam

because of aging. And we've got a lot of fracking

quaking going on in that area. What happens if that

dam bursts?

The other problem that is going to affect

this place and this dam is climate change. Probably

the most prevalent concern most of us have these days

is drought. We're in one. That water level keeps

dropping, and our ability to cool the systems is hit

by global warming. But there is the other problem:

Severe flooding. That's one of the weird things about

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this global warming stuff, folks, like periods of long

droughts followed by severe rain and out-of-control

flooding. And that's happening all over Texas.

Now, one of the things that I think I also

am known -- am notorious for, is pushing my cars

beyond their reasonable lifetime, thinking that I can

just keep putting more money into them and they'll run

another 10,000 miles or 20,000 miles. Last six months

I put $1500 in the emission controls on my car. I

went back today because the light came back on, and

jokingly, the contract -- my mechanic said, "Oh, just

put a pieceof black tape on it; it will continue to

run for another couple years."

I got up here today and had to go to a

mechanic's place because of the gas smell coming out

of that car.

I'm asking myself, is this kind of like

what's going to happen with this nuclear plant? Are

we going to run it and keep pouring money into it and

more money into it before it has to be shut down? How

much more money and how many more safety risks, just

like gas smell coming into my car, are we going to

encounter because of an agi ng reactor? And the

investors saying we can continue to run it and push it

and push it. I hope that doesn't happen, but that's a

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high risk of failure we know is going to happen

because the Texas energy market's about to change

dramatically again and giveincentives to people who

run nuclear plants because they're so-called reliable

and they're going to give them premiums to keep on

operating plants longer than their natural lifetime.

It's not just nukes. It's the gas plants. It's the

coal plants. But they're going to be chasing the

money.

My friends in this area have done a good

job operating this plant, but if you're getting paid

to keep on running a plant beyond its natural

lifetime, of course you're going to do it.

So I'm asking y'all, slow this process

down, do your aging and embrittlement studies, look at

that dam, make sure this plant is really up to snuff

and going to operate. And don't be stupid like me.

Don't keep putting good money after bad in a vehicle

or a nuclear plant that is no longer capable of

working. We have made these mistakes before in this

country, and we've all paid the price, and this is not

a mistake we should make again.

As Karen and others said, we have another

eight years to safely turn this thing off and to

repurpose this economy and this community, create new

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jobs, and to create new wealth, and not imperil this

community and, unfortunately, a much larger swath of

Texas if something goes wrong.

Thank you for your time.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you.

Next up we have Rita. Um, and then,

again, we have Mavis and then Charlotte Connelly. Is

Charlotte here? Okay. Good.

MS. RITA BEVING: Good evening. My name

is Rita Beving, and I'm here tonight representing

Livable Arlington, and we're a nonprofit organization

focused on the effects of oil and gas operations in

the Barnett Shale and have been for more than eight

years.

One thing I want to bring out tonight for

those of you who may not be familiar, go google D

Magazine and look for an article called "Cloud Over

Comanche Peak" from 1987. It discusses when senior

engineers quit Comanche Peak project because of safety

concerns.

But the reason I'm here tonight is

Comanche Peak affects a 19-county area with 2.1

million residents, most of those residents in Tarrant

County. Our organization has members and supporters

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who live within the 50- mile radius of Comanche Peak in

Fort Worth, Grand Prairie, and Arlington. The NRC

needs to give more scrutiny to this plant, carefully

weigh the risks that this aging plant may have.

Within the application, there's more than

a hundred pages of tables addressing issues that need

to be addressed, cracking, component fatigue, the loss

of materials, erosion are all noted. There are 71

instances where the aging management review results

suggest that further evaluation is recommended. That

evaluation needs to happen with resolution before this

permit is granted.

Our group's concern is earthquakes and

seismic activity. The applicant, Vistra, stated no

earthquakes have been felt at the site since the

beginning of site selection activities in the Sixties.

That does not mean earthquakes that have occurred

during this plant's operation have not contributed to

its aging.

We had a senior oil and gas geologist map

at least a dozen earthquakes wit hin 30 miles of the

plant that happened within three years, in close

proximity, in close succession, and no doubt due to

deep injection.

The applicant has noted 18 earthquakes

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within a 50-mile radius of the plant; yet, we

discovered these earthquakes in athree-year period.

Those quakes, indeed, were minor, 2 to 3.3 magnitude.

This type of frequency is concerning. Additionally,

these low magnitude earthquakes are within or proximal

to a karst adjacent to Comanche Peak. And I am giving

where the karst is and where these earthquakes are to

the NRC this evening.

Livable Arlington was able to map 1400

active or permitted wells within a 20-mile radius of

the plant, and more than 5,000 wells within a 50-mile

radius. With more injection or more -- with more

fracking, you have more injection. With more

injection, you have more potential for earthquakes. I

live in Farmers Branch, Texas, where the deep

injection in Irving shook our house. I did experience

it.

The NRC would do well to examine the

relationship of fracking, wastewater injection, and

the risk of seismic activity in relation to the

structural integrity of the plant.

I'm also going to give the NRC another

document tonight, a 37-page memo from Luminant to the

NRC after the Fukushima Daiichi plant in Japan had its

disaster. Go -- Luminant says there's no evidence of

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historical or modern earthquake causing

earthquake-induced geological failure within this type

region. "Failure" is the operative word. Though no

failure has yet occurred, that doesn't mean that

earthquakes and the increase of those earthquakes, the

increased fracking in the Barnett, won't affect this

plant.

On page 4 of this memo at the top of the

page, the applicant, Vistra, determined that the

maximum potential earthquake would be an inte nsity of

7 on the Mercalli scale. This level of magnitude can

cause significant damage to this aging plant. The

level of the earthquake in Syria and Turkey was 7.8.

As oil and gas operations ramp up, there

is no guarantee that its extraction or deep injection

won't affect this plant. What was not known in the

Eighties and Nineties about deep injection is known

now.

And that also relates to the security of

Squaw Creek Reservoir. The NRC should closely examine

the possible consequences of earthquakes on this

plant's structural integrity. As I said, with more

injection and more fracking, so does the frequency and

magnitude of seismic activity.

Thank you.

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(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Right now we have five

speakers left, so it's -- even if we hold to that four

minutes, we're going to go over. I'd like your

indulgence, just a little time to go over, make sure

everybody that wanted to speak gets an opportunity to

do so. Okay. So, you're here by yo ur own free will,

so if you don't want to stay past 9, it's up to you,

but we're going to keep going just for those that are

like, "I haven't got a chance to speak yet," we're

going to go over the time limit.

So without any further delay with me

talking, we're going to go next to Mavis, and then

Miss Charlotte, and then to Linda, Linda Hanratty.

So, Mavis. Mavis, do you want me to --

Here, I can come to you.

MS. MAVIS BELISLE: Now, see if I can

handle the microphone, my notes, and my glasses at the

same time.

My name is Mavis Belisle. I live in

southwest Dallas County, in the city of Dallas, about

60 miles -- 65 miles from Comanche Peak. I found out

about Comanche Peak in 1976. It was under

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construction in the site on what was called the

bicentennial walk. Most of the places on the

bicentennial walk were nuclear reactors -- not nuclear

reactors, I'm sorry --nuclear weapons facilities or

large military bases that had nuclear weapons. I

didn't understand why a power plant would be a part of

that, so Ibegan trying to understand nuclear power.

And I learned a lot more than I really wanted to know.

One thing I learned, among other things,

other than some minds, most things don't improve with

age. So specific things I'm asking for in this

renewal conside ration, I'm going to just call it that,

one of the issues in the original licensing was what

they call "bad pours" in the concrete. Bad pours

meant that there were voids left within the concrete

itself. And I would like to be sure that this

includes an analysis of the effect of aging on those

bad pours, those gaps in the concrete.

In the other intervention, I worked for a

little -- briefly with an organization called CASE,

Citizens Association for Safe Energy. And a part of

the settlement of that case, which was more than a

little controversial, the president of CASE, Juanita

Ellis, was -- it was a financial settlement, but also

Juanita was brought onto an association with Comanche

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Peak for a number of years, and I believe it was five,

in which she wouldhave access to the plant and more

access than the general public would have.

Juanita is now dead, but I would like the

questions that she raised in that five years to be

made public and publicly available so we would know

what concerns she had even in those early years of

operation of Comanche Peak that we may need to also

consider in terms of any solution.

Finally, Comanche Peak is not the only

nuclear reactor in Texas. There are two. There is

another reactor with another site with two reactors in

South Texas. While the waste may be able to be stored

here at Comanche Peak, South Texas, Matagorda Bay on

the Gulf of Mexico, when the sea level rises, that may

not be even above water, let alone a safe place to

store those fuel rods. And one of the places

logically that they might be stored could be Comanche

Peak. And what would be the impact of that additional

waste should those waste and fuel rods be moved to

Comanche Peak?

Thank you. I hope you take these things

into consideration here with the extension of this.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you. Thank you.

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Up next we have Charlotte. Oh.

MS. CHARLOTTE CONNELLY: Thank you. My

name is Charlotte Connelly. I've been asked to

mention that Vistra spent over a million dollars

lobbying in 2022, and that begs the question of why

they felt the need to spend over a million dollars on

lobbying.

And I would just like to mention that it's

possible that the NRC really has no choice in this

matter because the federal government needs nuclear

power in order to create nuclear bombs. So I'm not

fond of either, but that's just me.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you. All right. Thank

you very much.

Next up we have Linda, and then John or --

John Dreyfuss, and then we will finish with Nannette

Samuelson.

MS. LINDA HANRATTY: My name is Linda

Hanratty, and I live approximately 40 miles from the

plant, so that means I get no tax benefits, but,

apparently, I get risks. And I think the other

speakers have said all kinds of things. I had notes,

but all my notes have been covered.

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But I think the most important thing that

on this and also on the waste is that you want us to

comment on things before we get any knowledge, before

you survey the plant to know what's wrong with it,

that you figured out that the dam is okay, and that --

and the cost associated with.

And so I just --I think this process is

crazy. And it's also crazy that you have one hearing

--one public meeting, and no hearings unless we ask

for them, and I'm asking for it now, and nothing in

Tarrant County where most of the population would be

affected. And there's over --probably over 500,000

people in Tarrant County alone within the 50-mile

radius. And then you've got the other counties,

surrounding counties, and they've grown so much since

this plant was started. I think those people need to

be considered.

Thank you.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. JOHN DREYFUSS: Good evening. I know

we're getting late here. I don't have any formal

remarks to put out. I did just want to let you know I

am John Dreyfuss. I do work at the plant, Senior

Director of Organizational Effectiveness. I have been

through this license renewal process before, and I

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will tell you, I was going to talk about the people

process oversight. I'm not going to go into a lot of

that, other than from an oversight standpoint, I will

tell you that this is not a game. The NRC puts us

through a very grueling review, and there are a number

of people dotted in the room here that have been

working on this for years now. A nd I'm very proud of

the work that they've done. And I think that it will

pay dividends and, you know, we hope that it will come

to a positive resolution for licensure renewal, but we

have to go through this process.

The other thing I really did want to talk

about was people. First of all, community. I can't

tell you how much I appreciate having officials here

speak on behalf of the plant. Having -- we had, what,

half a dozen or more employees talk. We could have

had 300 people here. We just wanted to make sure

there was some representative, community, you know,

people that volunteer and work here, live here. And

I'm really proud of that, too.

And, again, the partnership that we have

with the local officials, with the County, both

Somervell and Hood County, that's incredibly

invaluable to us. It's not about the taxes we pay and

it's not about this and that. It's about having that

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relationship, having that friendship. If we need

something, we can reach out and we can ask for some

help, and they can reach out and reciprocate and we

will help, we will help them, too. So it really is

about the relationships that we have.

And the final thing is on safety. You've

heard about it a little bit. I can't impress enough

upon you folks how deeply people care about their

community, about the safety of their community. You

know, 2300 plus megawatts, 2 million homes are

powered. That's all great. It's really about that

contract that we have with our community to keep it

safe. And that's what we do. And I can't tell you

how well and how deeply people, you know, have that

engrained. It is the way that we operate. It's the

way we think about it, and it's the way that we live.

So I appreciate the time. I'll yield my

time back to others that want to speak.

Thankyou.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

So our last speaker will be Hood County

Commissioner Samuelson.

COMMISSIONER NANNETTE SAMUELSON: Hello.

I'm Nannette Samuelson, Commissioner 4, Precinct 2, in

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Hood County. I wasn't planning to speak tonight. I'm

just here to learn and listening to what's going on.

One of the things that I wanted to say was

there was a --Actually, someone said something that

was incorrect, so I wanted to correct that. And

someone said that Hood County was 15 miles away.

Actually, Hood County borders Somervell County, and my

precinct is right at the border of Somervell County,

and actually part of the Comanche Peak Reservoir is in

Hood County. So it's -- I think that whoever was

doing that map was mapping it to the courthouse, which

is quite a ways away, but my precinct is right here.

And I want to say that I took office in

January, but even before January, knowing that I was

going to take office, I came down and spoke with some

of the folks here at Comanche Peak. They walked me

through a little bit of the plant and told me all the

history. And, actually, my father, back in the

Eighties, worked for Brown & Root, so he was out here

as a quality control engineer.

I'm, as I said, I'm just here to listen.

And, act ually, the reason that that posting was in the

Hood County News is because I asked for it to be. One

of my big things in taking office was communicate,

communicate, communicate, and I wanted to be sure

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people knew about it. And, actually, John Dreyfuss

was a speaker at Commissioners Court on February 14th

and went through this. It's livestreamed. It's also

on YouTube. I communicate that through Nextdoor and

Facebook so that everyone in Hood County that follows

those things knew about this meeting tonight.

So I just wanted to kind of clear up a

couple of things of how close Hood County is, and, you

know, we -- One of the things that has kind of come

down through the, I guess, communication of what

happened in the past is that we've all been good

neighbors with -- Comanche Peak has been a great

neighbor for Hood County. And I'm here to learn and

make sure that everyone in Hood County knows what's

going on, so thanks.

(Audience clapping.)

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much.

So I thank you for your patience,

everyone. As far as I'm aware, that exhausted our

list of registered speakers.

Just two quick things: A couple of you

mentioned requesting a hearing. I would ask, there is

a section on the NRC website, public website. It's

called Adjudicatory Hearings. I ask you to review

that section. That gives you kind of a user's guide,

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if you will, to how hearings work at the NRC. Okay.

So I would ask you to look at that page on the NRC's

website. Okay.

Second of all, a lot of you brought up

frustrations with this meeting and prior meetings.

Send in those comments using the Public Meeting

Feedback Form or, you know, send them to the address

box that were put up on the slides. "You want this to

be livestreamed. You want this to be YouTubed." I'm

not trying to put ideas in your heads, but I'm just

saying if you have these ideas or a suggestion how

you'd like these meetings to go, let the commission

know, okay, because that's how --this is one of the

reasons we put this up is because we want your

feedback.

So thank you all very much for coming out

this evening and for speaking.

With no further ado, I'll turn it over to

John Moses for closing comments.

MR. MOSES: First, I want to -- First, I'd

like to thank the staff, and also I'd like to thank

everyone here and those of you who came in early and

had to leave before the end of the meeting. Thank you

for your time. Thank you for your patience. Thank

you for sharing your input, your comments, your

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feedback for us so we can make this a more effective,

engaging and participatory process. We sincerely do

appreciate your comments and feedback and suggestions.

As we've talked about a couple times,

we're in the midst of the scoping process for the

environmental impacts as part of the license renewal.

And we have until March 13th, you can submit comments.

If you didn't come tonight, you can submit those in

writing by email or in writing on regulations.gov.

We'll take those comments. And, of course, you can

always mail them in by post mail if you'd prefer that.

Our team will go through those comments

that we heard today as well as the ones we've already

heard and the ones that we may hear between now and

March 13th.

If you do go to regulations.gov, I'd point

out if you haven't picked up one of the little handy

cards, feel free to do it. It's Docket No.

NRC-2022-0183, and we will compile the comments that

we receive. The team is going to evaluate those

comments and consider how to incorporate those, that

feedback, those comments, those questions, into the

draft of our Environmental Impact Statement.

As we discussed earlier, we anticipate

issuing that draft Environmental Impact Statement in

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the fall, about September or so. And once that's

made, once that's completed, we'll have another

comment period for you to take a look at, give

feedback on the draft Environmental Impact Statement.

And so that's another round for you to share your

feedback, your comments, your concerns on the

environmental aspect.

Likewise, you can share any comments you

have or might have on safety.We'll take those back

as well.

So we appreciate today's questions. We've

heard a lot of different perspectives, and that's

actually what we hoped we would hear, is the different

perspectives so we can take those back and look at

those. That's the point o f the process for us why we

do license renewal; are there any issues that we had

to consider, or, are there issues that we're

considering that we need to look at in a different

way. That's really the kind of core of what we're

talking about for the Enviro nmental Impact Statement.

Even though this is the scoping meeting,

like I said earlier, we do have our safety team

representative, and we will consider any safety

comments that you have made, and they'll take --his

team will take it back and consider those as part of

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their safety assessment of the application.

So that's kind of all I have here for

tonight. And we really appreciate your time, your

participation, and your attention. And I hope you

have a wonderful evening and safe trip home.

Thank you.

MR. KLUKAN: Thank you, everyone. Have a

good evening. Thank you for coming out.

And we can end the transcript. Thank you.

(Meeting concluded at 9:10 pm.)

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