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                                                                                                                    '95 0CT 2) P5:12         !
2 TAPE 32
.              3                                                Date: 4-4-90 4 ,                        Location: John Aufdenkampe's office.
'95 0CT 2) P5:12 3
5                                                                                           0FFICE OF SECr2T/sa.f 6                                                                                            0 0 C K E'Ij"W l y R i iC E     ,
Date: 4-4-90 4
7                     SEGMENT #2                                                                           t ".
Location: John Aufdenkampe's office.
8                     TR. 46-49                                                                                             '
5 0FFICE OF SECr2T/sa.f 0 0 C K E'Ij"W l y R i iC E 6
9 10 11                     MOSBAUGH:             What did you say about this stuff here?
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12                     AUFDENKAMPE:           What stuff?
8 TR. 46-49 9
13                       ' = 0,   070.   "00 r."'" : ]
10 11 MOSBAUGH:
[r";       AUFDENKAMPE -)-                     'Ihe 006 14     number's a combined Unit 1 and Unit 2 number.                                         What, but what I 15     don't understand.
What did you say about this stuff here?
3 16                     WILLIAMS:               1990.
12 AUFDENKAMPE:
17                     AUFDENKAMPE:           Yeah, but --
What stuff?
l             18                     WILLIAMS:               [ INAUDIBLE]
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19                     AUFDENKAMPE:           Oh, silly me.                 Why didn't we put 1990 on 20       here?
' = 0, 070.
21                     WILLIAMS:             Because it looks really shitty.
"00 r."'" : ]
'-            22                     AUFDENYJWPE :         Really, really shitty.
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23                     WILLIAMS:             I mean like - .                                                                     !
AUFDENKAMPE -)-
I                                                                                                                                               i 1
'Ihe 006 14 number's a combined Unit 1 and Unit 2 number.
24                     AUFDENKAMPE:         Does George know?
What, but what I 15 don't understand.
25                      WILLIAMS:            --
16 WILLIAMS:
: 08.         Yes he does, I tol'd him.                                       l
1990.
!                                                                                                                                              l 26                     AUFDENKAMPE:         Oh, you didn't give him '87 data.                                   Where 27       did he get this shit from?
3 17 AUFDENKAMPE:
28                     WILLIAMS:             From me.               I gave it to him.                   That's what             l 29       I gave him.
Yeah, but --
30                     AUFDENKAMPE:           Ooohh..           Yeah I see now.                 Oooohh.                         ;
l 18 WILLIAMS:
1           31                     MOSBAUGH:               Do we have, I mean do we have good '87                                               l l
[ INAUDIBLE]
32     data?                                                                                                                       !
19 AUFDENKAMPE:
                                                                                    ' NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Docket No. 50-424/425-OLA-3                 EXHIBITNO. T - 94 8           I i
Oh, silly me.
9512280226 951006                                         in the rnatter of Georale Poww Co et eL Vootle UnHe 1 & 2 PDR     ADOCK 050004 4                                   O Staff                  Mtwvenor O Othw Gd Ap%plicant elved O Rejected           Reporter CD               '
Why didn't we put 1990 on 20 here?
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21 WILLIAMS:
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Because it looks really shitty.
22 AUFDENYJWPE :
Really, really shitty.
23 WILLIAMS:
I mean like -.
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1 24 AUFDENKAMPE:
Does George know?
08.
Yes he does, I tol'd him.
25 WILLIAMS:
26 AUFDENKAMPE:
Oh, you didn't give him '87 data.
Where 27 did he get this shit from?
28 WILLIAMS:
From me.
I gave it to him.
That's what l
29 I gave him.
30 AUFDENKAMPE:
Ooohh..
Yeah I see now.
Oooohh.
1 31 MOSBAUGH:
Do we have, I mean do we have good '87 32 data?
' NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Docket No. 50-424/425-OLA-3 EXHIBITNO. T - 94 8 I
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. i 1           AUFDENKAMPE:   Yes.                                         I 2           WILLIAMS:       Yeah, but its' only for a half year.
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3           MOSBAUGH:       Post commercial, we didn't tabulate it--
AUFDENKAMPE:
4 INPO didn't require it, right, till commercial.
Yes.
5           WILLIAMS:       Not till commercia L. Actually it doesn' *.,
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6 they don't require it until a year after commercial declaration.
WILLIAMS:
7           AUFDENKAMPE:   George sees-- (INAUDIBLE].
Yeah, but its' only for a half year.
8           WILLIAMS: Yeah. He's not seeing the for       t for the m .mem a.a<..,we 9  trees.                          instand of calline me and directing He needsi'ir.eadib1:}
3 MOSBAUGH:
                          '\              ,W4euwe tche ?         La %s : )
Post commercial, we didn't tabulate it--
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4 INPO didn't require it, right, till commercial.
11  that yesterda [ 43 bejn 12           AUFDENKAMPE:   Well, I went over there and dropped.it on 13 his desk and left.
5 WILLIAMS:
14           MOSBAUGH:       So what's the '90 numbers?
Not till commercia L.
15             AUFDENKAMPE:   Oh, they're terrible 16                             [ laughter]
Actually it doesn' *.,
17             MOSBAUGH:       So why are they so terrible and these are 18 all so good?
6 they don't require it until a year after commercial declaration.
i 19             AUFDENKAMPE:   Because we had three f ailures in ' 90, not l
7 AUFDENKAMPE:
20 counting what occurred since that, during the event.         There were 21 four failures in '90.
George sees-- (INAUDIBLE].
22             MOSBAUGH:     These are--these aren't, these aren't the 23 unavailability numbers?
8 WILLIAMS: Yeah.
24           AUFDENKAMPE:   Yes.       Those are the   unavailability 25 numbers.
He's not seeing the for t for the m.mem a.a<..,we instand of calline me and directing He needsi'ir.eadib1:},W4euwe tche ?
26           MOSBAUGH:       Well, how's that related to the f ailures?
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Well, I went over there and dropped.it on 13 his desk and left.
14 MOSBAUGH:
So what's the '90 numbers?
15 AUFDENKAMPE:
Oh, they're terrible 16
[ laughter]
17 MOSBAUGH:
So why are they so terrible and these are 18 all so good?
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Because we had three f ailures in ' 90, not l
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There were 21 four failures in
'90.
22 MOSBAUGH:
These are--these aren't, these aren't the 23 unavailability numbers?
24 AUFDENKAMPE:
Yes.
Those are the unavailability 25 numbers.
26 MOSBAUGH:
Well, how's that related to the f ailures?
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1                               AUFDENKAMPE:                                 The failures, the failures are used in                                     r 1
1 AUFDENKAMPE:
: 4.                                                                                                                               .
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2         calculating the unavailability.                                                                                                               l 1                                                                                                                                                                                                             Luh 3                               MOSBAUGH:                                   I mean, but doesn't the unavailability
4.
  ,                                                                                                                                                                                                          4     :
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-                                                          4           include LCO time?                                                                                                                           f
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!                                                        5                              AUFDENKAMPE:                                 It includes out of service time.
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3 MOSBAUGH:
: j.                                                         7                             'AUFDENKAMPE:                                 I don't know how                   --      when we do the                  :
I mean, but doesn't the unavailability 4
4                                                                                                                                                                                    / *Lh, a-5                   ;
4 include LCO time?
8           unavailability number, we do failures as well as,4out of service                                                                             j 9           time, right?
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10                                 WILLIAMS:                                   Yes.                                                                       !
AUFDENKAMPE:
11                                 MOSBAUGH:                                   How do you --
It includes out of service time.
12                                 AUFDENKAMPE:                                 Is there a weighing factor?
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MOSBAUGH:
!                                                      14                                MOSBAUGH:                                    How do you compute it?
Right.
!                                                      15                                WILLIAMS:                                    Its        the time          it    wasn't                  in service
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,!                                                    17                                  MOSBAUGH:                                  Well, hold it.                If it failed, how do you 18            know what that time is?
'AUFDENKAMPE:
19                                WILLIAMS:                                    Which? That it would not have served its 20            function?                                                                                                                                    ,
I don't know how
4 21                                MOSBAUGH:                                    Yeah.                                                                      ;
/ *Lh, a-5 4
22                                WILLIAMS:                                    You take the time to the last successful                                    i j                                                      23            start.and divide it by two.
8 unavailability number, we do failures as well as,4out of service j
24                                MOSBAUGH:                                    Yeah, okay.        So what about                      --
9 time, right?
i 25                                AUFDENKAMPE:                                So        when  you          get      a          failure,        you 26            automatically get two weeks.
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Yes.
11 MOSBAUGH:
How do you --
12 AUFDENKAMPE:
Is there a weighing factor?
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No.
14 MOSBAUGH:
How do you compute it?
15 WILLIAMS:
Its the time it wasn't in service 16 (inaudible).
17 MOSBAUGH:
Well, hold it.
If it failed, how do you 18 know what that time is?
19 WILLIAMS:
Which? That it would not have served its 20 function?
21 MOSBAUGH:
Yeah.
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Yeah, okay.
So what about i
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So when you get a
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1           MOSBAUGH:               Yeah. Well, if you're on a monthly cycle, 2 you get two weeks of out of service time.
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3           WILLIAMS:               Yes, and that's true.
Yeah. Well, if you're on a monthly cycle, 2
4           MOSBAUGH:               When did we have failures?
you get two weeks of out of service time.
5           WILLIAM 3:             When did we have failurer?
3 WILLIAMS:
6           AUFDENKAMPE:             '89,   we didn't have any.
Yes, and that's true.
7           WILLIAMS:               In '89 --
4 MOSBAUGH:
8           MOSBAUGH:               No failures in '897 9           WILLIAMS:               That's true.             In '88, we had --
When did we have failures?
10           MOSBAUGH:               On both units?
5 WILLIAM 3:
11             AUFDENKAMPE:           Yes.
When did we have failurer?
12             MOSBAUGH:               It was on both units here?
6 AUFDENKAMPE:
13             AUFDENKAMPE:           Oh, I'm sorry.               We did have one load run 14 failure in '89.
'89, we didn't have any.
h t soc, A n s a ta ha w     skru/el      4* M % fe:
7 WILLIAMS:
15            WILLIAMS:            f"11,      .:: ':n:t      'inzudibl:)/in July --[Q:ll,**ms:ery es See a.+t d 16 little extra --       inaudibic' ct th; time.
In '89 --
17             AUFDENYJU4PE:           So we've           had       one,   two,   three,     four 18 problems in '907 (pause) -- Where's the NRC report? Did she finish 19 it last night?
8 MOSBAUGH:
20             WILLIAMS:               (Inaudible.)           It was a load run failure, a,.s t. s,a bs n i+ k ls ~4s -fa.Kt 21 not a start failure.         Load run failure -- (inaudible).
No failures in '897 9
22             AUFDENKAMPE:           Well, one is a f ailure too -- (inaudible) .
WILLIAMS:
                            $tHu'GAlre03 4              23              (INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION)
That's true.
A rJewl'e.mge s h\s.Wn'Juj pff                            }               lesf ne*SH*
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'88, we had --
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10 MOSBAUGH:
me W dela         is   b- '"--
On both units?
me 25  appropriat   i f -- " y ''''                     to take immediate corrective 26 action. I just won't get involved in this.                         That was on the way 4
11 AUFDENKAMPE:
Yes.
12 MOSBAUGH:
It was on both units here?
13 AUFDENKAMPE:
Oh, I'm sorry.
We did have one load run 14 failure in '89.
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inaudibic' ct th; time.
17 AUFDENYJU4PE:
So we've had
: one, two,
: three, four 18 problems in '907 (pause) -- Where's the NRC report? Did she finish 19 it last night?
20 WILLIAMS:
(Inaudible.)
It was a load run failure, a,.s t.
s,a bs n i+ k ls
~4s -fa.Kt 21 not a start failure.
Load run failure -- (inaudible).
22 AUFDENKAMPE:
Well, one is a f ailure too -- (inaudible).
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5                                 WILLIAMS:                   True (INAUDIBLE].                   So that's why I didn't 6 give him 1990 numbers, and I told him that, and we discussed, we 7 discussed this Sunday how bad it looked, for 1990, for both uni *s.
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8                                 MOSBAUGH:                   So what's the number for 1990.                                                                          .
5 WILLIAMS:
i 9                                 AUFDENKAMPE:               .08 10                                 WILLIAMS:                   .08 11                                 MOSBAUGH:                   .08 12                                 AUFDENKAMPE:               We are probably in --
True (INAUDIBLE].
13                                 MOSBAUGH:                   Is that pro rata or how did --
So that's why I didn't 6
14                                 WILLIAMS:                   That's for January and February.                                                                         ;
give him 1990 numbers, and I told him that, and we discussed, we 7
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discussed this Sunday how bad it looked, for 1990, for both uni *s.
8 MOSBAUGH:
So what's the number for 1990.
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AUFDENKAMPE:
.08 10 WILLIAMS:
.08 11 MOSBAUGH:
.08 12 AUFDENKAMPE:
We are probably in --
13 MOSBAUGH:
Is that pro rata or how did --
14 WILLIAMS:
That's for January and February.
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'                                                                                                                    f ALM           So eight percent of the tirne? Is that the manning?                                   l Williams       '!1:st No ALM           Yeah No that's pmnded fbr the year then                                               i
ALM So eight percent of the tirne? Is that the manning?
'                              No that'sjust January and Febniary Williams                                                                                            l ALM           No hold h if we had - No, no that must be pso ruted for the year, isn't it.
Williams
-                JOA           You have to know what's~ involved in the al 1 don
'!1:st No ALM Yeah No that's pmnded fbr the year then i
!                ALM           I understand except you had those start failures you end up with these two           )
Williams No that'sjust January and Febniary ALM No hold h if we had - No, no that must be pso ruted for the year, isn't it.
weak chunks-right
JOA You have to know what's~ involved in the al 1 don ALM I understand except you had those start failures you end up with these two weak chunks-right Williams You got, you got one - that's a plant number. You got one diesel that is i
:                Williams       You got, you got one - that's a plant number. You got one diesel that is             i uh                                                                                   I JOA             What's the formula?
uh JOA What's the formula?
Williams       You got one diesel that's 28.28.
Williams You got one diesel that's 28.28.
!                  RM             Ye 4                 Williams       The SSPI is strictly an arithmetical average of the four, of the four, diesel
RM Ye 4
!                                SSPI's JOA           Yeah but I, is it is the diesel SSPI uh hours hours (inaudible -talkover)
Williams The SSPI is strictly an arithmetical average of the four, of the four, diesel SSPI's JOA Yeah but I, is it is the diesel SSPI uh hours hours (inaudible -talkover)
;                  Williams       Hours out of service divided by hours required. And the plant SSPI is j                                 SSPI diesel 1 plus SSPI diesel 2 divided by four. And, and you get one               l I
Williams Hours out of service divided by hours required. And the plant SSPI is j
bad player, which that one's a bed player diesel 2A was point 28 and it l
SSPI diesel 1 plus SSPI diesel 2 divided by four. And, and you get one l
drags the other one down,boosuse diesel 2B is point 002 very low. . point         .l i
bad player, which that one's a bed player diesel 2A was point 28 and it drags the other one down,boosuse diesel 2B is point 002 very low.. point
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001I point (inaudible)
001I point (inaudible)
.                ALM             OK, but that's, that's before we event took into account the event.
ALM OK, but that's, that's before we event took into account the event.
I                 Williams     That's true, that's February, we haven't even hit March, l                 ALM             Right                   .
I Williams That's true, that's February, we haven't even hit March, l
Williams       Marchis going to be worse.
ALM Right Williams Marchis going to be worse.
;                ALM             Ohycah Williarns       There is only probably one saving grace in Mamh wa= we may be able l
ALM Ohycah l
to not count the hours out of service for the other diesel that was not i                                required to be operable at the time.
Williarns There is only probably one saving grace in Mamh wa= we may be able to not count the hours out of service for the other diesel that was not required to be operable at the time.
;                ALM             If the formula was set up that way.
i ALM If the formula was set up that way.
!                Wilitams       It is.
Wilitams It is.
ALM             (inaudible) however divided by required (inaudible) i                 long pause (apparently reviewing procedure)
ALM (inaudible) however divided by required (inaudible) i long pause (apparently reviewing procedure)
!                  < Telephone call to Alton Rogers to setting up PRB Wae.
< Telephone call to Alton Rogers to setting up PRB Wae.
long pause (apparently caadan!ng to review procedure)
long pause (apparently caadan!ng to review procedure)
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Williams       (inaudible)(apparently quoting from procedure) component unavailable 4                                hours are not cea+M when certain components are electively removed Aom service for planned activities or are out of service for unplanned activitics and the reactor is in a mode that allows components to be i
Williams (inaudible)(apparently quoting from procedure) component unavailable hours are not cea+M when certain components are electively removed 4
Aom service for planned activities or are out of service for unplanned activitics and the reactor is in a mode that allows components to be i
removed from service for unlimited time with out s ming a limiting conditon for operation.
removed from service for unlimited time with out s ming a limiting conditon for operation.
ALM           um hum OK a
ALM um hum OK a
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l JOA How about if we use the word surmised lastead of believes.
:                                                                                                                                                      I I
ALM I don't like the word intermittent and I don't liks the word believed. In regulatory con... a==@ations.
l JOA         How about if we use the word surmised lastead of believes.
Williams You can use spurious..
ALM         I don't like the word intermittent and I don't liks the word believed. In regulatory con... a ==@ations.
1 ALM 1 don'tlike that one eitbar Williams Then they didn't use that one.
Williams     You can use spurious. .                                                       1 ALM         1 don'tlike that one eitbar Williams     Then they didn't use that one.
ALM Intermittent sh intermittent to me raeans you have not done enough lavestigation to find out what the real cause was (laughmg).
ALM         Intermittent sh intermittent to me raeans you have not done enough lavestigation to find out what the real cause was (laughmg).
1 1
1 1                                                       JOA         (inaudible)
JOA (inaudible)
ALM         Or your don't, or you don't have or you don't have the management             l commitment to go find out. That's when your willing to accept an               1 intermittent answer.                                                           l Breakin tape                                                                               ;
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INT. EX. 94/Y 6 /D 6'a i s '<v r

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Date: 4-4-90 4

Location: John Aufdenkampe's office.

5 0FFICE OF SECr2T/sa.f 0 0 C K E'Ij"W l y R i iC E 6

7 SEGMENT #2 t

8 TR. 46-49 9

10 11 MOSBAUGH:

What did you say about this stuff here?

12 AUFDENKAMPE:

What stuff?

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'Ihe 006 14 number's a combined Unit 1 and Unit 2 number.

What, but what I 15 don't understand.

16 WILLIAMS:

1990.

3 17 AUFDENKAMPE:

Yeah, but --

l 18 WILLIAMS:

[ INAUDIBLE]

19 AUFDENKAMPE:

Oh, silly me.

Why didn't we put 1990 on 20 here?

21 WILLIAMS:

Because it looks really shitty.

22 AUFDENYJWPE :

Really, really shitty.

23 WILLIAMS:

I mean like -.

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1 24 AUFDENKAMPE:

Does George know?

08.

Yes he does, I tol'd him.

25 WILLIAMS:

26 AUFDENKAMPE:

Oh, you didn't give him '87 data.

Where 27 did he get this shit from?

28 WILLIAMS:

From me.

I gave it to him.

That's what l

29 I gave him.

30 AUFDENKAMPE:

Ooohh..

Yeah I see now.

Oooohh.

1 31 MOSBAUGH:

Do we have, I mean do we have good '87 32 data?

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AUFDENKAMPE:

Yes.

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WILLIAMS:

Yeah, but its' only for a half year.

3 MOSBAUGH:

Post commercial, we didn't tabulate it--

4 INPO didn't require it, right, till commercial.

5 WILLIAMS:

Not till commercia L.

Actually it doesn' *.,

6 they don't require it until a year after commercial declaration.

7 AUFDENKAMPE:

George sees-- (INAUDIBLE].

8 WILLIAMS: Yeah.

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'=0, Orc: 'irrr " ir ' = ' - did 10 me to do work, which is why* % that yesterda [ 43 bejn w 11 12 AUFDENKAMPE: Well, I went over there and dropped.it on 13 his desk and left. 14 MOSBAUGH: So what's the '90 numbers? 15 AUFDENKAMPE: Oh, they're terrible 16 [ laughter] 17 MOSBAUGH: So why are they so terrible and these are 18 all so good? i 19 AUFDENKAMPE: Because we had three f ailures in ' 90, not l 20 counting what occurred since that, during the event. There were 21 four failures in '90. 22 MOSBAUGH: These are--these aren't, these aren't the 23 unavailability numbers? 24 AUFDENKAMPE: Yes. Those are the unavailability 25 numbers. 26 MOSBAUGH: Well, how's that related to the f ailures? 2 i i A l e ~. - -.

l i 1 AUFDENKAMPE: The failures, the failures are used in r 4. 1 l 2 calculating the unavailability. Luh 1 3 MOSBAUGH: I mean, but doesn't the unavailability 4 4 include LCO time? f 5 AUFDENKAMPE: It includes out of service time. i 6 MOSBAUGH: Right. i when we do the j. 7 'AUFDENKAMPE: I don't know how / *Lh, a-5 4 8 unavailability number, we do failures as well as,4out of service j 9 time, right? 10 WILLIAMS: Yes. 11 MOSBAUGH: How do you -- 12 AUFDENKAMPE: Is there a weighing factor? l i 13 WILLIAMS: No. 14 MOSBAUGH: How do you compute it? 15 WILLIAMS: Its the time it wasn't in service 16 (inaudible). 17 MOSBAUGH: Well, hold it. If it failed, how do you 18 know what that time is? 19 WILLIAMS: Which? That it would not have served its 20 function? 21 MOSBAUGH: Yeah. 4 22 WILLIAMS: You take the time to the last successful i j 23 start.and divide it by two. 24 MOSBAUGH: Yeah, okay. So what about i 25 AUFDENKAMPE: So when you get a

failure, you 26 automatically get two weeks.

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i l 1 MOSBAUGH: Yeah. Well, if you're on a monthly cycle, 2 you get two weeks of out of service time. 3 WILLIAMS: Yes, and that's true. 4 MOSBAUGH: When did we have failures? 5 WILLIAM 3: When did we have failurer? 6 AUFDENKAMPE: '89, we didn't have any. 7 WILLIAMS: In '89 -- 8 MOSBAUGH: No failures in '897 9 WILLIAMS: That's true. In '88, we had -- 10 MOSBAUGH: On both units? 11 AUFDENKAMPE: Yes. 12 MOSBAUGH: It was on both units here? 13 AUFDENKAMPE: Oh, I'm sorry. We did have one load run 14 failure in '89. skru/el 4* M % fe: h t soc, A n s a ta ha w 'inzudibl:)/in July --[Q:ll,**ms: f"11, .:: ':n:t 15 WILLIAMS: ery es See a.+t d 16 little extra -- inaudibic' ct th; time. 17 AUFDENYJU4PE: So we've had

one, two,
three, four 18 problems in '907 (pause) -- Where's the NRC report? Did she finish 19 it last night?

20 WILLIAMS: (Inaudible.) It was a load run failure, a,.s t. s,a bs n i+ k ls ~4s -fa.Kt 21 not a start failure. Load run failure -- (inaudible). 22 AUFDENKAMPE: Well, one is a f ailure too -- (inaudible). $tHu'GAlre03 A (INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION) 23 pff } lesf ne*SH* 4 Although.,S,Tekg.,y.ny,,,,Qce. h\\s.Wn'Juj rJewl'e.mge s I Y quesd really the 24 4"!LL!??L: me W dela is b me appropriat f -- " y ' to take immediate corrective 25 i 26 action. I just won't get involved in this. That was on the way 4 i

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.. ~ _..,. _ _ _. I d 1 SEGMENT #3 2 TR. 50 -3 4 5 WILLIAMS: True (INAUDIBLE]. So that's why I didn't 6 give him 1990 numbers, and I told him that, and we discussed, we 7 discussed this Sunday how bad it looked, for 1990, for both uni *s. 8 MOSBAUGH: So what's the number for 1990. i 9 AUFDENKAMPE: .08 10 WILLIAMS: .08 11 MOSBAUGH: .08 12 AUFDENKAMPE: We are probably in -- 13 MOSBAUGH: Is that pro rata or how did -- 14 WILLIAMS: That's for January and February. den hWed on A&c_44.J. lwsed "A PDfLANTL\\WPDOCS\\TLP\\ LICENSE. PRO \\ TAPES.!NT\\32 2-EX.94 6

j 06-23-1995 10:56 205 877 7149 SOS VOoTLE PROJECT D.07 \\ i Insert "A" 4 Transcribed section f ALM So eight percent of the tirne? Is that the manning? Williams '!1:st No ALM Yeah No that's pmnded fbr the year then i Williams No that'sjust January and Febniary ALM No hold h if we had - No, no that must be pso ruted for the year, isn't it. JOA You have to know what's~ involved in the al 1 don ALM I understand except you had those start failures you end up with these two weak chunks-right Williams You got, you got one - that's a plant number. You got one diesel that is i uh JOA What's the formula? Williams You got one diesel that's 28.28. RM Ye 4 Williams The SSPI is strictly an arithmetical average of the four, of the four, diesel SSPI's JOA Yeah but I, is it is the diesel SSPI uh hours hours (inaudible -talkover) Williams Hours out of service divided by hours required. And the plant SSPI is j SSPI diesel 1 plus SSPI diesel 2 divided by four. And, and you get one l bad player, which that one's a bed player diesel 2A was point 28 and it drags the other one down,boosuse diesel 2B is point 002 very low.. point .l i 001I point (inaudible) ALM OK, but that's, that's before we event took into account the event. I Williams That's true, that's February, we haven't even hit March, l ALM Right Williams Marchis going to be worse. ALM Ohycah l Williarns There is only probably one saving grace in Mamh wa= we may be able to not count the hours out of service for the other diesel that was not required to be operable at the time. i ALM If the formula was set up that way. Wilitams It is. ALM (inaudible) however divided by required (inaudible) i long pause (apparently reviewing procedure) < Telephone call to Alton Rogers to setting up PRB Wae. long pause (apparently caadan!ng to review procedure) ~ Williams (inaudible)(apparently quoting from procedure) component unavailable hours are not cea+M when certain components are electively removed 4 Aom service for planned activities or are out of service for unplanned activitics and the reactor is in a mode that allows components to be i removed from service for unlimited time with out s ming a limiting conditon for operation. ALM um hum OK a e

06-20-1995 10:56 205 677 7149 SOS VOOTLE PRO.'ECT p,0s 1 l JOA How about if we use the word surmised lastead of believes. ALM I don't like the word intermittent and I don't liks the word believed. In regulatory con... a==@ations. Williams You can use spurious.. 1 ALM 1 don'tlike that one eitbar Williams Then they didn't use that one. ALM Intermittent sh intermittent to me raeans you have not done enough lavestigation to find out what the real cause was (laughmg). 1 1 JOA (inaudible) ALM Or your don't, or you don't have or you don't have the management commitment to go find out. That's when your willing to accept an 1 intermittent answer. Breakin tape 4 4 ) ) l l 1 i -- -}}

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